SitMOA II - [Endgame] The end...

[gandalf5166]

/confirm

From the rules, I see that S_B has decided to get even fancier this time around. o.O

[gandalf5166]

And NEVER claim your role name.

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Oh. Okay, nobody is doing any claiming. Be REALLY vague. Like, as vague as humanly possible.

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Actually, couldn't people claim abilities they had already used up?

[gandalf5166]

might as well be vague though
what if an item recharges abilities, etc etc

truetrue

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But Gandalf is a wizard. Wizard = town, yes? Now who would want town dead? Oh right, scum.

IF WE COULD VOTE, I WOULD SO VOTE SNAKE.

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Weapons would be awesome for town. It's like a half-dayvig.

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14/16 confirmed I believe

Did I miss whether this was a night start or day start?

Day start, durr.

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Ew EM. On MS, unless it says it's a NS, it's always a DS.

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Hint: I would have faked a dayvig even if I was town. it was what the game needed. If I were town, I might not have kept up the illusion for quite so long however.

VOTE: Snake

For reasons earlier stated.

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Actually, there is a more important lynch than snake's right now, which I was reminded of by Katy's post.

VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

[gandalf5166]

Actually, there is a more important lynch than snake's right now, which I was reminded of by Katy's post.

VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

Would definitely be my vote if he was in the game

The fact that he's not in the game is irrelevant.

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@gand, post content, not crap.

I don't think anybody in this game has posted any content yet. Get over it. I like to have some fun in the RVS, because whenever I'm in a game, it seems to last a very short time.

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Gandalf I find your attempts at comedy to be not very good.

Vote Gandalf

. However Chesskid does always make a good choice for Lynch. Oh and Gandalf will you be voting for Fate next? Or how about Q21?

No. Why would I do that? Seriously, get over yourself.

VOTE: Snake

You're conducting yourself with far too much certainty for this stage of the game.

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I bet you anything that I will be a vanilla townie. Shall we just confirm me as town right now?

Um no?

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Wow lol?

Well, to clarify my case against snake:

Gandalf I find your attempts at comedy to be not very good.

Vote Gandalf

. However Chesskid does always make a good choice for Lynch. Oh and Gandalf will you be voting for Fate next? Or how about Q21?

Notice 1. The fact that he decides I'm scum because I'm not funny, which is stupid. It seems like if I'm not funny I would be not funny in all my games, and thus that it would not be related to my alignment. Nevertheless, he's pretty confident about it. 2. He acts like chess has been scummy, and uses the kind of language to express this that I'd frankly expect from D3 or D4. Now, what's the difference between D1 and D4? Information. Guess what scum start out with more of than town? Information. It's a stretch, but far less of one than "durr he's not funny he must b te scmz"

And I didn't "unvote my suspect to vote shotty". I unvoted a random vote to make another random vote. Considering that random votes mean next to nothing anyways(it's the posting that comes WITH the vote that's revealing), I don't really see how voting for someone who's not in the game makes any difference. In fact, I've made that same random vote in several other games before(in games with or without shotty, and as scum and town), and nobody has ever questioned it(well, they've questioned it, like, "who is shotty?" or "Shotty's in this game? Oh crap", but never really questioned why I made the vote), so I don't get why it's such a big deal here.

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Erm Gandalf my vote WAS a RVS, with the fact that I didn't think your RVS was of good comedy value. And in previous games with Chess I have pointed out I'm no fan of Pokemon (Which Chess can confirm), thus the always a good vote comment. Your defense is rather lame sir with all due respect.

Then what the fuck AM I defending against? God. And if it really is RVS, why haven't you unvoted?

Honestly, RVS wagons are good, but RVS lynches are not.

Unvote

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Quite honestly, Fates mafia disproves that statement.

That wasn't RVS. That was awesomeness. Pure awesomeness. And we lynched so early because of the fact that our sorta-RVS wagonees pretty much confirmed themselves as scum. I'm pretty sure I haven't done that. Considering that town can't be confirmed as scum.

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Considering that town can't be confirmed as scum.

wtf is this statement anyways?

It's pretty simple. Town aren't scum, and thus can't be proved as such.

By the way, I actually do have a semi-dayvig in this game. Unfortunately, it comes in the form of an item that I can summon, and I can only summon it at night. If you let me live until tomorrow, I actually will prove it, unlike last game, I promise. That said, it's only enough to take out a portion of a normal players' health, not completely kill them. I can even let someone else pick up the item if you guys want. Just unwagon me so we can lynch scum, cause I'm gonna be pissed if I get lynched on the sixth page on the one game I decided to make an exception for.

PEDIT: Thanks for the support, S_B. >.>

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lol
dayvigs
so scum
hammer pllz

I really am being serious.

If I don't have a weapon in my hand D2, you can lynch me. I don't care if I was roleblocked or what. Just let me at least last two days. Hell, ice that: I'll self-vote.

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Self voting is scummy. Trying to end the day early despite your innocent claims?

I was talking about tomorrow.

If I was going to self-vote as scum to end the day early, I would have done it a while ago. Since the point of ending the day early is to you know, end the day early?

I like my earlier vote.
VOTE: SnakePlissken

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Wait, Katsuki hammered.

Congrats. You guys win worst fucking goddamn shitfucking town in the history of this entire goddamn fucking site. I'm sure I'll see the rest of the town in the Dead QT soon enough.

And I really did have a weapon summoning spell. I won't tell you what it's called in case we have a reviver with half a brain, but it shouldn't be hard to figure out what it is after my flip.

One last thing: You still all fucking suck.

And I'm not a vig. My weapon dealt 3 HP damage.

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By the way, one scumteam(something tells me that there are two) is: chess, Katsuki, and Snake. Normally I would say that scum would never quickhammer D1, but they must have realized this town was so goddamn stupid they could get away with it.

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ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Yeah, fuck you too chess.

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Seriously, if chess or Katsuki aren't scum, you're just the worst players on the site. You're like, eighty notches below vezok and a good 60 below DMSIS. Also, I think anybody in this game with two brain cells knows I'm not scum.

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Scum happened, rewq.

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When I said I would be alive tomorrow if there was a reviver with half a brain, I didn't think there would ACTUALLY be a reviver with half a brain. Something tells me that chesskid revived me by sacrificing himself. Really smart move actually, since he was certain to be lynched today otherwise. Actually, never mind, just saw malt's post, and that's far more likely.

Dammit........ why do I get the feeling that some retarded-ass governor stopped Kat from being lynched? PROTIP: Quicklynches on scum are GOOD. Quicklynches on town for next to no reasoning are BAD.

Katy is probably scum, and is possibly the governor who saved Kats, as she's defending someone who's already dead far too hard. Sounds like she doesn't want him to be QL'd again. My stance on Kats: I don't think he DID expect he'd be asked to explain himself, because the town had not done anything to suggest that they would act in a rational manner. While we're on this, this makes me think that some of the less random players are slightly more likely to be on the scumteam.

LOLKATS. I didn't even claim vig. And plus, why the hell would I try to do the EXACT same shit again? Kats is probably bulletproof(Barbarian bulletproof would fit. He probably loses his bulletproof if he uses certain abilities), so we're lynching him today.

LOLKATS. Acting like my lynch had any reasoning behind it, and somehow his didn't.

That said, I want Kats to fake-claim for us. He's already claimed at least TP, so let's see what he can think up.

Vigging Beefster tonight is an awesome plan. Then we'll lynch Katy tomorrow. Ooh, especially after that pseudo-bus vote.

VOTE: Kats

Don't lynch him before he claims, just in case. It is POSSIBLE that he's TP that flips scum. If he keeps pretending that he is own though, we'll have to lynch him on principle.

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Are you going to damage Beefster tonight gandalf?

I don't like the rolefishingz here. :/ I'd rather an insta vig take care of him, if there is one. I have other concerns.

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@People who are trying to get Kats to claim: I read some of the stuff from the first Sorcerers Wizards game and if you try to get him to claim any abilities, I'm pinging you as possible 3rd party

Lolwut. HES CLAIMED THIRD PARTY. He can probably claim his non-magical abilities and be fine. Mainly I want to know his WC/mechanics of his role. In case anybody has missed this:

-Roles and factions:

There is at least one vanilla townie in the setup, as well as at least one mafia faction. All factions have a winnable condition. If a win condition is achieved, and it doesn't directly interfere with the win condition of another faction, the game will keep on. For example, if the win condition of a player is to get certain player lynched, should that player achieve that condition (and no other win condition is achieved at the same time), the game can keep on. There is at least one town faction and one scum faction. Town faction is called Wizards, while scum faction is called Sorcerers. Other factions may exist, and they may have wizards, sorcerers, or other classes.

This explicitly states that all town are WIZARDS. Yes, this means Nacho was TP. Which is why I want Kats to claim, in case he too can play with the town. And about Nacho: Yes, I am very confident that Nacho is the one who resurrected me, and that since it says SUPPORT cleric, he may have a partner(partner was probably included to reduce swinginess). I'm not really sure if that would be their WC, though. Maybe something that varies on that.

If we do have an insta-vig, I am telling them now: Don't kill Beefster. He will be dead by tomorrow night.

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Mod: Are people told when they take damage and how much damage they took?

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Gandalf what the hell is TP?

Third Party. It's what you should have claimed, you might have survived so long as we thought you would work with us. Am I really the only one who uses TP as an abbreviation? Because it seems fairly simple, but every time I use it I have to explain it.

I think I actually believe Kats though. Something about the setup just makes me think 2 scumteams.

And Katy: I was talking about BEFORE he flipped. It seemed like you were softening up opinions, so that we would be more likely to let Kats live once he flipped. Then you lurked until you saw what people DID think of the flip(although this part isn't hard evidence, since it was only 3 hours that you didn't post for, I'll have to check to see if you posted onsite during that time), and reacted accordingly.

Hang on, when you weren't sure you oops hammered, but now he's confirmed scum you don't want to put down a vote?!

FOS Vezokpiraka

Vezok is town this game. Truefacts. That said, thanks for saying this, I had almost forgotten that I suspected you. We might actually want to lynch you before Katy(since if you flip same scum as Kats, she's obviously not scum governor). On that note:

Mod: If there were a second scumteam, would they flip a different color than the first?

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And how do you know this and what have I done Gandalf to garner your attention?

Know what? If you're going to accuse confirmed town, do it right.

You accused the weakest player in the game(no offense, vezok) for very little reason. That's the definition of opportunistic. Day DOES have purpose beside lynching scum.

To everyone who thinks Kats is lying about the size of his team: Why would Kats do this? The only way it fits is if both Beefster AND Katy are on his team. We would kill Beefster, and then we would assume that Katy couldn't be sorc-scum(remember, I hadn't brought up Snake-scum yet when he said that).

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You do realize that confirmed scum are honestly the most useful players in the game, right? 1. There's everything they say. The things they say can be incredibly valuable for a multitude of reasons. 2. There's the way other people react to said confirmed-ness(like you), which is even MORE useful. I want day to last a little longer, so that everyone has a chance to react. It hasn't even been 24 hours since Kat became confirmed. Why does the dy need to end THAT fast? Are you nervous that Kat might say something that exposes you? You don't really need to do that, if he has any brains, he won't post again.

The only reason that you don't postpone a lynch is if you think that the target will squirm out of it. Kats is DEFINITELY going down, so why wouldn't we give ourselves time for discussion?

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You forget: Town have to plan their night actions too. And there are more town NAs than scum NAs. AND scum already have the info we're looking for, remember? And actually, B) is not accurate. I won't tell you why. But antyways, C) is the only one that's actually negative, and it's not true. D) implies that we might come up with false info today. However, if we do, we'll still have the same flips tomorrow, and we can discount it then. Not to mention, discussing the decision to hammer is alignment revealing. For example, if you hadn't gotten a chance to speak up just now, I would have never marked you down as town.

Note: Tasky is probably town.

Note 2 that has nothing to do with this game: I just thought of the most awesome way to skip RVS ever. Can't say what it is though, as it would ruin it.

Note 3: If Kats speaks the truth, then Snake is probably other-scum, since we already have two sorc-scum suspects(I would hope that one of them is right).

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Tasky is probably scum actually.

And we should listen to you....... why? Anything you say is WIFOM that we're far better off not even listening to. But since you said it and I'm bored anyways, I'll look at his ISO to be sure.

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The only thing that I see bad was his L2 vote on me. But I don't think he expected a hammer. I put people at L2 in RVS all the time. Heck, I put people at L1 in RVS all the time, assuming that scum isn't stupid enough to quickhammer. Good to know that you are.

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You're forgetting that I called two scumteams earlier.

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Well, the colors of their flips DO line up. We'll have to wait for SB to answer my question, of course.

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Well, it's nice to see someone helped me out with Beefster(although it looks like it was CoolDog).

I'm trying to decide whether we should lynch Snake and then kill Katy if he doesn't flip sorcerer or lynch Katy and kill Snake. The problem is that in order to kill Katy tonight, we would have to damage her today before we saw Snake's flip.

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Whoever I DO target tonight, I don't want anyone to help me(And I mean this. Nobody else will want to be targeting my target with damaging abilities). That said, I just realized that Snake doesn't have to die immediately, and that other things are more important.

Vote: Katy

As of now, I will be targeting Snake.

CMAR, did you read my posts yesterday? >.>

I think that some of the scum might be coasting, so I'm gonna do some ISO readingz.

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I think it's interesting that my abilities still work, even though the mageslayer faction obviously already knows my role name.

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Did I say that vezok was town earlier? He hasn't been posting much at all, which is not a sign of vezok-town. And CoolDog said he was town........... Possible yellow scum.
I also said Tasky was town, which is rather inexplicable, since he has only made one content post. Null-read, could look into him later when he gets some more content onto the table.
CMAR is definitely town. Nuff said.
Bunnylover is probably town. His reactions just seem really genuine.
I just realized: Beefster's death is the only one with kill flavor. Weird, huh?
ThAd is probably scum, now that I look at him. I don't like the way he reacts to ABR's Role PM thing.
RBT is a void. I don't like voids, so I'll be treating him as a suspect because otherwise
We probably have four scum alive at this point. One sorcerer, two yellow, and one third party. If I had to categorize my suspects:
Katy= sorcerer
vezok=yellow
Snake= yellow, maybe TP, but probably not sorcerer.
ThAd= Probably TP.
And my backups:
RBT and Tasky.
I'm paranoid about malt only because he pushed the Kats lynch SO hard. Only a suspect if we can't find a sorcerer scum.
And of course, if ABR was scum, we have one less to worry about. But I don't think he was.

@Katy:Maybe. But then, why would scum waste their governor like that? Same logic. Maybe you guys seriously thought that the death miller thing would work. The reason I think you are scum is that it seemed like you were defending Kats instead of attacking his wagoners.

If a town player saved Kats on accident, they need to come forward NOW.

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Katy wins the prize!!!

Malt, you're probably right. After thinking, the magekiller faction probably only has two, since they are likely more powerful.

Also, the cleric isn't really scum(unless he is absolutely nothing like what we think he is). The lack of an anti-town third party just bothers me. Anyways, I've played in games where half the game was anti-town. Granted, they were bastard games, but the last game was a little bastardy. The trick is to pit the scum against each other. In fact, I think that town may have been merely the largest minority in Cross Edge.

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Oh, I'm almost certain that Kat was telling the truth now by the way.

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WHY WONT YOU TELL US WHO THE OTHER ONE IS

You do realize that either you or him is guaranteed yellow scum, right?

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Oh, now I know who ProfessorX was. Chess is really bad at logging in to the right account >.>

Hmmmm....... That's really irritating. But RBT is probably town. Other professor, if you're town, speak up.

Actually, ABR could be that last professor. Were you told when the other professors died?

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In a MishMash game I was playing, I had a QT with chess and he kept posting as ProfessorX. He told me it was an alias for another QT he was in. I just connected the dots. Basically, I can confirm that RBT is not lying about the neighborhood.

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I don't have a weapon right now.

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@Bunny: If you're going to give it to me, don't tell everyone what it does. When I threaten people, I'd rather they not know exactly what I'm threatening them with.

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Well, actually, I'd say three scum lynches is a bit of trouble, BUT.

Please let me have the scroll. I want to know what it does.

I have a policy of not giving items to people who are almost certainly scum.

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Has the mod actually gotten back to you? Be4cause he also hasn't done a VC in a while, I think he just hasn't been active. I would not have any problems with malt taking it.

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Maybe its because Mal is wearing an Uryuu avatar that is making me say I have no objection for him taking it.

inorite?

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Snake isn't reading the thread. Good to know. I'd say I'd bump him up on my scumlist, but he's already at the top besides Katy, so.

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Lol at Snake. You admit that you have absolutely no idea what the fuck is going on, and yet you pick up an item and act like it will tell you. Drop the item, and give it to someone WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON. I mean, I'd rather you let vezok keep it. You are by definition the WORST person to hold it, regardless of your alignment. Also, this game is not going fast lol. It's halfway through D3 and we only have 16 pages. Even if malt was my TOP suspect, if I didn't know what was going on and he presumably did, I would let him have it, because he would at least have to PRETEND he used it for pro-town purposes. Whereas I couldn't, because I didn't know what was going on.

That said, I think vezok just became confirmed yellow scum. Think for a second. Scrolls are written in Draconian(I think, it might be some other language, but the point is that only spell-users can read them). So a non-caster wouldn't be able to read it. With this in mind, I want Snake to keep the scroll. Then, once he gets it, he'll tell us if he can tell what it does. Then he'll drop it and I'll pick it up. If he was right, he's confirmed non-yellow scum. Also, at this point, if I too can't read the scroll, I can announce as such and there's no harm done. Then we'll give it to ThAd(if Snake can read it, since there are only two yellow scum left), and he can try the same thing. Rinse and repeat. Until we find both yellow scum

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DONT QUICKLYNCH

IN FACT, EVERYBODY UNVOTE UNTIL WE GET THIS SORTED OUT

unvote

[gandalf5166]

Assuming there's a yellow-scum in the Council, they know what the scroll is already anyway.

Vote stays.

Wait, are you saying that YOU know what the scroll does? So you are confirming that it does do something? If what you say is true, we need to skip everything and just have me pick up the scroll to be sure it tells us what it does. If it doesn't we can just assume vezok didn't read his QT.

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If he had to open it, the mod surely would have told him as such.

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PICK UP VIAL

Why woul they auto-win lol?

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Damn me for being online so often >.>

I actually considered that it might be a gambit. Unfortunately, only after I freaked out and immediately picked it up.

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When did I say I would be attacking RBT? I'm attacking Snake tonight.

That said, I'm comfortable giving RBT the axe. While he was a void the first two days, he has been acting pretty pro-town now that he's making content. I'm happy with the dagger, although I'll be looking at the scroll first. Only looking at it, as I do want to make sure I can read it before we consider vezok confirmed yellow. Then I'll probably give it to someone else since I can only make one action a night anyways. In fact, I may not even need the dagger, since I can summon a weapon(mentioned this D1 if you remember). That'll depend on whether using the vial is a full action or not.

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TASKY DROP THAT GODDAMN SCROLL

I get to pick it up now.

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Malt should have the dagger: I'll summon my own weapon. I just want to see what malt does with it.

Tasky, I don't want the scroll to use it. I want it for info reasons.

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I'm pretty much on the same page as malt.

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I've just been mailed by the mod to tell me I can activate the scroll. Gawky can you redrop it for me?

I'd rather I look at it first. He didn't tell you what it did though?

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I agree that Tasky's excuses are REALLY forced. I'll vote for him as soon as I get to see how the scroll works.

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I just realized what the scroll probably does..... Once I get it, I'm using it unless I CAN read it and I was wrong.

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I agree that Tasky's excuses are REALLY forced. I'll vote for him as soon as I get to see how the scroll works.

I'm starting to think differently. I mean if there was a chance that he wouldn't be able to read it and that this would prove him to be scum then picking up the scroll is a pretty risky move.

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure at this point that the whole "only scum doesn't know what it does" thing is crap.

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Well, we know that something can be done with the scroll. I think I have an idea of what it does, and I think it's in the town's best interest for me to use it.

We'll lynch Tasky, and I'll attack Katy. However, anyone else who wants to help with Katy can feel free(I'll explain why later, but basically circumstances are different since Katy is sorcerer-scum).

[gandalf5166]

Well, we know that something can be done with the scroll. I think I have an idea of what it does, and I think it's in the town's best interest for me to use it.

We'll lynch Tasky, and I'll attack Katy. However, anyone else who wants to help with Katy can feel free(I'll explain why later, but basically circumstances are different since Katy is sorcerer-scum).

...how did we deduce Katy was sorcerer scum again? I still don't see any commanding evidence...

Pretty much all the evidence supporting Katy being scum is dependent on her being sorcerer-scum as far as I'm aware.

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Why is it relevant that the scroll was dropped by Katsuki?

Pick up Scroll

Unvote
Vote Tasky

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Lol. What's genuine about those reactions? And why does that prove that CMAR is scum? We all know that Katy is sorcerer already.

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I haven't gotten a PM about the scroll yet. Weird.

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So I apparently literally have to ask any questions I have about the scroll, he won't just tell me how I use it. So far I've only figured out that I don't know what it does.

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Have you asked to activate it yet?

Just did. I'll tell you when the mod tells me what it does. I may or may not tell you what it does, depending.

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Not voting for Katsuki isn't even the main problem with you, Katy.

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RBT DID YOU SERIOUSLY KNOW THAT THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND YOU DIDNT FUCKING WARN ME?


THE SCROLL TOOK AWAY MY GODDAMN VOTE

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IT DOESNT SAY HOW LONG IT LASTS, AND ITS KILLING ME

Now that I think about it, he phrases it weird. Apparently it's a post restriction, and the terms are "posting without voting". It seems like if taking away my vote was what he really meant, then he would have just said "Your vote is gone".

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I don't know. I just told you everything. He just said basically: You have a post restriction: posting without voting. I guess I should ask him what that means.

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unvote, vote malthusis

thanks for claiming scum.

RBT just told everyone that scum didn't know what it was. Nice try though.

I have been informed that the scroll did exactly what I thought it did: I can't vote anymore. Now, I don't know whether that means that my vote is stuck where it is or what. We'll just have to wait for a VC.

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So do you want me to hammer now and see if your vote does still work?

Doesn't really matter ether way. If you think he's scum, hammer. I'm not going to give you a way to back out if Tasky flips town.

[gandalf5166]

I'm done with today. I WILL BE TARGETING KATY. ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO HELP, FEEL WELCOME

[gandalf5166]

Vote Tasky

Here we go then.

I....... would have waited for some more input. It'll work out though.

[gandalf5166]

Okay, if you flip town, we'll take that into consideration. Are you confirmed sane/would sense any scumteam?

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Okay, if you flip town, we'll take that into consideration. Are you confirmed sane/would sense any scumteam?

I was explicitly told that Snake is allied with the Wizards. My role PM and my night result didn't mention a possible sanity issue, so I assume I am sane

Okay. I'm not gonna assume you're town just cause of this though.

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Especially since he's one-shot.

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Why are there only two? 3 sorcerers+2 mageslayers=/=6 scum

And yeah, godfather is possible, but if there really is a role that builds up to a oneshot cop and there are no other cop roles(which is entirely possible, there weren't any cops in the last game and a lot of mods hate cops), then it would be stupid as fuck.

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Hmmmm..... Nobody helped me with Katy last night. Instead some bitch attacked vezok. Hey, everybody, say hi to my ice battleaxe. The mod apparently decided that nobody would notice at all if in the morning I came back with a battleaxe, so it's not in the scene, but I assure you, I have it. Also, my vote is back.

Vezok, tell us all exactly how much damage you've received over the last few nights.

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No, because I did not attack last night, AND Beefster flipped as having been frozen to death.

[gandalf5166]

Dammit. I was hoping you had taken a lot more than that. Plan B then. You'll be dead by tonight. Do you have anything you want to say before that?

[gandalf5166]

Not really no.

I am 6 life and I am VT if that helps you with anything.

Okay, this is important does anybody else claim VT? Because if he's the only VT, then he's confirmed town. We only need one other claim though, so let's not get 8 zillion of them.

[gandalf5166]

Can I just point out that anyone potentially attacking me will get the damage back on themselves as Im able to cast a protective spell over myself each night.

FACEPALM

Why would you share this info? You're cleared town, so the only people who would be attacking you would be scum.

[gandalf5166]

Have you been paying attention? Beefster was frozen and stabbed. Only scum would stab, as all town are wizards. Thus, scum clearly has a damaging ability.

[gandalf5166]

Have you been paying attention? Beefster was frozen and stabbed. Only scum would stab, as all town are wizards. Thus, scum clearly has a damaging ability.

I assumed the frozen was you and why do you think the stabbing had to be scum? Someone dropped a dagger that day and I can tell you now that scum wouldn't use that if they had ANY other abilities since it was practically useless.

It would have had to do at least three damage to kill Beefster, as the spell I used dealt 5. Did the dagger do that much damage?

[gandalf5166]

Probably it's from one of the mageslayers. Them having swords would fit.

[gandalf5166]

Okay, so vezok isn't confirmed. So I can still kill him.

Any objections?

[gandalf5166]

WAIIIIIIIITTTTTTTT

Just realized it was Katy. So I keep my axe, we lynch Katy, and if she flips scum(hint: she will) we ask for another VT claim tomorrow, and I'll refrain from attacking vezok.

Unvote
VOTE: Katy

I WILL NOT WANT ANY HELP TONIGHT IF KATY FLIPS TOWN

JUST TRUST ME

NO ONE HELP ME WITH VEZOK IF KATY FLIPS TOWN

And if she flips scum(the more likely scenario), then I'll use a non-damaging ability.

[gandalf5166]

It's third party, but pro-town third party, I would assume.

[gandalf5166]

As in, their wincon is not conflicting with town's and doesn't hurt the town.

[gandalf5166]

Probably by the other cleric(Nacho was a SUPPORT cleric, implying that there is another one).

[gandalf5166]

TBH, Katy, it's posts like that last one that have me really worried. They just seem altogether too constructed.

[gandalf5166]

Also, there are no connections between Kat and vezo. Vezo is yellow-scum.

Also, while vezom might EVENTUALLY die, I think seeing him flip earlier might be a good idea.

[gandalf5166]

Yeah, I see that. I guess we can leave vezo alive. But I won't use my last damaging ability until he's dead.

[gandalf5166]

I'm not going to say that one of the two VTs has to be scum. One has to be town, but they could both be town. I just don't think Katy is.

[gandalf5166]

Yeahhhhhh...........

Katy's definitely scum. Do you think that ice savant is a scum role? Because it's been proven I have ice powers.

[gandalf5166]

Godfather speculation is pointless, unless someone else wants to claim investigative powers. This isn't a bastard game.

[gandalf5166]

No it's not, but putting it in a game where there was one one-shot cop ability WOULD be bastard.

[gandalf5166]

Yeah, I see that. I guess we can leave vezo alive. But I won't use my last damaging ability until he's dead.

By the way, gandalf, I don't understand this. What's the difference between using it tonight and later except...we could get rid of a scumkill tonight if you use it?

Get rid of a scumkill? I don't understand what you're asking, but the reason I won't use my last damage ability until he's dead is that if the poison ever expires, then I don't want to be left with no way to get rid of him except wasting a lynch.

[gandalf5166]

@Beefster:

First: Having differently sized scumteams is rather unusual, so i would think it safe to assume that both teams have three members.

Second, which really crumbles your case: Yes, there was a death anti-miller in the last game. EVERYBODY HATED IT AND THE MOD PROMISED NOT TO DO IT AGAIN

Third: Pay more attention. In a Mish Mash game I was playing, me and chess shared a QT, and he kept posting as ProfessorX. Thus, "Now I know who ProfessorX was." I am not in the neighborhood. If you want, I can link you to the goddamn QT.

Fourth: At that point, I thought that CD was an SK, and it made sense for his kill flavor to be stabbed. So that's how I came to that conclusion.

Fifth: I wanted the scroll because I thought it would grant a bulletproof.I thought it was likely that scum would try to kill me.

Sixth: I can only wow at your implication that I'm denying that there would be a godfather..... Because I'm one?

Seventh: I haven't been killed because scum knows I'm almost certainly being protected at nights. Leaving me alive for WIFOM would be pointless, because nobody would be stupid enough to think I was scum. Or so most would assume.

Eighth: If the last professor was town, why would he be so quiet? And wouldn't that put the yellow scum at a severe disadvantage?

Lastly: I honestly can't even believe I have to make this post.

[gandalf5166]

In fact, I know Beefster won't go away, so here's the QT where I saw ProfX:
http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/CzhaR5K79JJE

[gandalf5166]

Make sure you all look at that link, because it pretty much confirms that I'm not one of the professors.

[gandalf5166]

In fact, I know Beefster won't go away, so here's the QT where I saw ProfX:
http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/CzhaR5K79JJE

If that's ongoing...

It's a survivor game, not mafia.

[gandalf5166]

Oh shit, the one where I actually react to him posting as that account is the other one(from the same game, but still sorta relevant, so I can't share it). Beefster's case is still stupid.

[gandalf5166]

I would ask specifically why you changed your mind, but you're cleared town so it doesn't matter and we have more important things to worry about.

[gandalf5166]

Okay, I guess I won't be posting the other one once the game finishes.

[gandalf5166]

Hmm....... That claim makes me jumpy. Warmages are not wizards; while last game Thad was a pyromancer, and this game, I'm an ice savant, those are both prestige classes that one can choose AFTER starting from the base class of wizard. Warmages are actually their own class, thus making them not technically wizards. I'm not sure what to think.

[gandalf5166]

Actually, ignore that. I just did some research, and ice savant is not actually a class. S_B clearly took a couple of creative liberties.

[gandalf5166]

Oh god, ThAd, you're really bad at this scum thing. In fact, that vote looks so much like a bus that I even think malt might flip scum.

Change of plan for tomorrow: We're lynching ThAd.

[gandalf5166]

EBWOP: Nice gambit, gandalf. The scroll that alters where your vote is without having to post it in thread is a nice touch

Wait, when did I vote for you?

But hey, now we can still vote for ThAd.

Unvote
VOTE: ThAdmiral

[gandalf5166]

Vezok is still scum..........

We got off track.

[gandalf5166]

Oh, and this is why we don't let known scum live until they get poisoned to death. I'm going to hit him tomorrow, and then he'll die within two nights from the poison.

[gandalf5166]

Yeah, clerics definitely aren't anti-town.

ThAd, what did you do last night? And what do you think might have resulted from that that could be relevant? I do have a reason for asking this. At this point, we have 3 scum, two if we're lucky and ABR was scum. Either way, we should treat this like LyLo, and aim preferably for sorcerer scum. If we do hit yellow scum, we should still be okay if town really nails their night actions.

Me, Beefster, and Snake are all clear. So our suspects are Katy, CMAR, ThAd, and RBT. RBT scum is basically impossible, unless ABR was a professor and never posted in the QT. What this tells me is that I should be ashamed of myself. CMAR-scum is incredibly likely, and I haven't even considered it yet. It's still far less likely than Katy and ThAd scum though, which is basically confirmed.

I have to use my axe today, because if scum kill me and manage to get a hold of it, they can whack Beefster and insta-win. So I'm going to hit CMAR with it. This sounds kinda weird, but bare with me real quick. I have an ability that could allow us to get away with lynching ThAd instead of Katy. The deal is, I'm fairly sure it won't work against sorcerer scum.

We need to lynch yellow scum today so that I can disable the last yellow scum.

I'll explain more in the morning, but for now, I'm hitting CMAR, we're lynching ThAd, and

nobody

should touch CMAR tonight, as I'll be assuming he is the last yellow scum if ThAd flips yellow. If I'm wrong and he is town and ABR is the other yellow, it'll still turn out fine since the effect is the same either way: no second kill. Now, if by some chance ThAd flips sorcerer scum, then the plan is the same in effect, although my night action will be slightly different. People should still refrain from targeting CMAR, and should focus on Katy.

Still, nobody vote or anything like that, because I'm not done yet, but my mom's kicking me off.

Pick up Spear

I'll also be using this on CMAR.

[gandalf5166]

Hmmmmm...........

Well, I wasted last night then. I was hoping you would try something like a roleblock/doc gambit. I i didn't really think it would work.

Katy, at LEAST two of you, ThAd, and CMAR are scum. Attacking confirmed townies isn't going to help, especially when it's rather obvious I was revived by pro-town TP.

I realized that the ability I was planning on using isn't as comprehensive as I had hoped.

Beefster, do not use any actions tonight. If you do, you'll probably die, I'm sorry.

Katy, I haven't attacked you yet. Yes, that is rather stupid of me. I got distracted. And I COULD attack you instead of CMAR, but I won't, because it's not certain that CMAR will die. Lynching ENSURES that you will die. And the fact that you're baiting me just makes me more sure that you probably have some kind of protective thing.

Anyways, I think we're good to go. We lynch ThAd, kill CMAR, and then lynch Katy. I think that guarantees a win.

Also, RBT is as good as confirmed. I realized that ABR couldn't be a professor, since they were able to use a ritual.


WAIT. SHITSHITSHITSHIT

I JUST LOOKED AT THE FIRST PAGE AND REALIZED THAT I CANT USE WEAPONS DURING THE DAY

Mod: Can you confirm that my axe is only usable at night? If you can't in-thread, PM it to me please.

I saw that I could summon a weapon at night and just assumed I could use it the following day. If I really do have to use it at night, then Beefster can use his abilities, but I'll need help from RBT to kill CMAR.

Drop Spear

This is for Snake. Snake, use this on CMAR tonight. It'll be 3+3+whatever RBT's got, which should add up to a kill.

[gandalf5166]

@Katy: The only reason there are so many confirmed townies is that scum haven't even tried to kill even one of us for some reason.

@RBT: Then you'll want to use 2 damage on CMAR.

[gandalf5166]

Alright. We WILL lynch you though.

[gandalf5166]

Hmmmmmm........ I'm attacking CMAR tonight, and he should remove Katy from the game. Snake, target someone else.

And how else do you explain that the other professor hasn't claimed yet, CMAR? Why, as town, would you not claim? RBT is town. Undoubtedly.

Beefster: If you don't suspect Katy and CMAR, who DO you suspect?

[gandalf5166]

There are two scumteams. There is almost certainly one scum from each team in the neighborhood. If one team had two, cant you see how that would be a pretty serious balance problem?

Nobody but me attack CMAR, as I can kill him the next night if I attack him tonight.

[gandalf5166]

Well, at least one of them practically has to be scum, unless you doubt the clear status of me, Snake or RBT.

[gandalf5166]

The rules on the first page say that if one team's wincon does not interfere with another's, the game goes on. Change of plans. ThAd, you'll help me kill CMAR tonight. Your sword will be enough. Katy can't be sorcerer scum unless the sorcerer NK isn't a spell, which is unlikely(I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be Magic Missile like last game). Especially since a vanilla goon seems equally unlikely. Well, potentially it's possible that if there are four sorcerers, then she might have chosen not to perform the NK or any night actions. But if she had night actions, I don't see why she would purposely not use them.

@CMAR: Why would we waste a lynch on him when he can help us kill scum suspects AND eliminate himself all on his own? Once he wins, he'll leave the game. I think you're just scared of the fact that he's gonna kill you. Oh. And HOW DID YOU KNOW CHESS WAS A VIG. I smell inside info.

The only real question now is who we're going to lynch today. We could lynch Katy, just to be absolutely sure. She could be an SK or something that doesn't use magic.

[gandalf5166]

How about lynn CMR, attack Katy, Lynch thAd tomorrow and if we haven't end famed by then take out RBT?

Although I am uncomfortable letting Scum get their win condition.

I'd still prefer, lynch ThAd, attack Katy, deal with CMR and RBT tomorrow?

Okay, we have two choices. We can almost certainly win(if ThAd helps us we can even account for the slight possibility that RBT could be scum), and let ThAd and CD win with us, or we can keep ThAd from winning and risk handing the game to sorcerer-scum if anything screwy happens. As far as lyching Katy then killing CMAR or vice versa, it doesn't really matter. But if we kill Katy, then we'll need your help. Plus, if katy is scum, she's probably spell-less SK, which won't let ThAd win. And I feel like ThAd should win.

[gandalf5166]

Maybe we should kill RBT. And then lynch Katy tomorrow.

[gandalf5166]

Elaborate? Who will die?

[gandalf5166]

Katy, it doesn't matter what scum you are. You HAVE to be scum of some kind, practically. And the fact that you're pushing so hard not to die is just making me even more suspicious. Town would realize that there are three people out of which two are scum, and VOLUNTEER to die. Do you have a reason why killing you would lose town the game?

[gandalf5166]

Ah. We would have to lynch you if we wanted to get rid of you then.......

That means we need to kill CMAR. Lynching Katy today, killing CMAR, then lynching RBT if it's not over seems like the obvious choice. That gets rid of everybody but the clears, assuming ThAd is telling the truth. Which I can't see how he could come up with a lie THAT elaborate. And even if he is lying, then tomorrow we lynch him instead of RBT, and then I think I have some actions that could keep RBT from winning even if he is scum that night. Actually, I think that in that situation we would still want to lynch RBT, since ThAd doesn't have any direct kills.

And yeah I know I said RBT is practically clear, but I'd rather not risk it. There is a chance that we're missing some important info.

VOTE: Katy

@Snake: She was responding to the idea that me and ThAd would kill her tonight.

[gandalf5166]

CMAR, just cause you're a wild mage doesn't mean you can't be a sorcerer.

Katy, how does town not have the advantage? The only way that we have a chance of losing(barring extreme bastard-modding) is if RBT is scum AND ThAd is lying, and even then I think I can pull a win through.

[gandalf5166]

You're still ignoring the fact that there are three scum(potentially), and four people have a possibility of being one. If CMAR really can clear himself, you are definitely scum of some kind. ThAd isn't going to win just cause we waited one day to lynch him.

Oh, and ThAd, if CMAR clears himself, we're killing RBT instead.

[gandalf5166]

[quote=CMAR]One last time. Snake is not clear.[/quote]
Hence why I said "barring extreme bastardness".

[gandalf5166]

In a game with one one-shot cop, yes it is.

[gandalf5166]

In a game with one one-shot cop, yes it is.

You think the one-shot cop was the only investigative ability in this game? I respectfully disagree yet that's getting into setup speculation and I hate that. Borderline scumtell imo.

Why would there be an ENTIRE ROLE that boiled down to a one-shot cop if there were other cop roles?

[gandalf5166]

Yes, but godfathers are immune to COPS. They can still be tracked, etc.

[gandalf5166]

@Gandalf - I might be being a bit thick here but can you explain to me how letting ThAd hit his win con thus scum win actually benefits the the town?

Once ThAd reaches his wincon, he leaves the game without us having to kill him. Scum gone for free is definitely good for town.

[gandalf5166]

He can't kill one of us. He needs our help. Did you READ his claim?

And yes, I am going to let him live, unless he's the LAST scum alive.

[gandalf5166]

Lol scumslip. You have damaging spells.

But i you were town, you wouldn't consider the possibility that you would use them on us.

I was talking about future days.

[gandalf5166]

Lol scumslip. You have damaging spells.

But i you were town, you wouldn't consider the possibility that you would use them on us.

I was talking about future days.

Nope, no scumslip. Just emphasizing he doesn't need you to get his wincon. Nice try though.
Anyway, this game's dead til Beefy comes.

No, but he needs HELP. And what motivation does he have to attempt to get help from scum to kill me or Beef when he could just kill you with me, which he knows I have NO REASON to lie about doing?

[gandalf5166]

GQPoS?

[gandalf5166]

GQPoS?

Giant Quivering Penis of Suspicion. I've seen Chronopie use it before.

Teeheehee.

[gandalf5166]

Sexual harassment! I am reporting you to the headmaster!

Headmaster's dead, remember? And good riddance, I say.

[gandalf5166]

But if he DOES win, and leave the game, we've gotten rid of one scum for FREE. No lynching, no killing, nothing. Other than that HE helps us kill a suspect. There's no reaso not to let him live at least until tomorrow.

[gandalf5166]

Hmmmm...... Okay, Snake has made me sufficiently paranoid that I give CMAR liberty to remove him. Meantime, I'll attack him with my axe, so that he's weakened enough that we can kill him the next night. Meanwhile, Beef and RBT should target Katy. We'll lynch RBT. If the game doesn't end then, CMAR is scum, and we kill him next night.

[gandalf5166]

Oh, and I give up on explaining why that hammer was stupid.

[gandalf5166]

Don't say I didn't warn you then. DO NOT ATTACK ME, You WILL take damage. I don't think removing me from the game will work either.

Hey, if he DOES take damage, all the better. He dies AND you die.

[gandalf5166]

Either way, you'll die if you do either. The only question is whether I need to use my attack on you, so I'd appreciate if you decided before the lynch goes through so that if you decide on RBT, I can attack Katy instead.

[gandalf5166]

Attack Katy, CMAR should remove Snake.

If we haven't won by tomorrow, I'd be very surprised.

But removing Snake won't kill CMAR. I have to attack CMAR if he removes Snake if he's going to die tonight. You should attack Katy, but I'm going for CMAR unless he decides to remove you.

[gandalf5166]

The council will take care of CMAR.

Then it's settled. Here's to hoping that ThAd's telling the truth about not being on it. I'll attack Katy.

[gandalf5166]

Just make sure you deal less than six damage, or he won't be able to remove Snake as well.

[gandalf5166]

It's not a retaliatory strike, it's an automatic spell. Don't be surprised to not see CMAR tomorrow, when I'm still here.

Lol nice try. If it kills someone who targets you, it HAS to resolve after that players' action. You really are scum, aren't you?

S_B: I hate you.

[gandalf5166]

That's actually a really good theory. Hmmm....

[gandalf5166]

That's actually a really good theory. Hmmm....

Yeah, I bet that's it too!

So can you confirm all the night actions just so there's no mixups?

If you're removing Snake, RBT doesn't need to help kill you, in which case the council should attack RBT. Of course, it's possible that RBT refuses to attack himself with the council, in which case we lynch him tomorrow and all is right with the world.

[gandalf5166]

I win Least Valuable Player this game. I was fucking horrible, to say the least.

[gandalf5166]

I still maintain that we should have let ThAd win though.

[gandalf5166]

Wait, ABR was an SK? NOW the setup makes sense.........

[gandalf5166]

Vezok was town. O.O

[gandalf5166]

How did two godfathers in a game with one one-shot cop sound like a good idea?

[gandalf5166]

So take out the cop. But that's just bastard.

I love how CMAR tried to act like he had JUST gotten entrance to the Professor QT. That was funny. Although I guess he didn't really have a choice.

[gandalf5166]

CMAR: Your fakeclaim was incredible. I assumed that if you WERE scum, you had that role. I still don't see why I couldn't see you being scum until so late though.

[gandalf5166]

One thing I liked about my role but never got around to doing was the semi-investigative abilities.

[gandalf5166]

I would have lynched rewq.

[gandalf5166]

No, after I died I looked at the last few posts and I was like "Rewq is definitely scum". But yeah, I probably would have lynched Kats first.

[gandalf5166]

Did you really forget to send ABR his role?