Mini 1123 - The Walking Dead - Game Over

[Starbuck]

Vote: bv310

[Starbuck]

Ooh, someone just picked the top name on the list, and posted it. Does Starbuck just want to fit in with the town without making waves?

Absolutely not.

What's with the god-awful insinuation?

[Starbuck]

unvote, vote:starbuck

No one on that list that I'd policy lynch.

Why would you policy lynch me?

[Starbuck]

I wouldn't!

My bad then, I misunderstood.

[Starbuck]

ZOMG.

[Starbuck]

The zombies! They are coming!

[Starbuck]

FOS; All those currently voting for a no lynch

[Starbuck]

You don't vote NO LYNCH, we learn nothing and the scum get another chance to kill one of us. If we try we might get one here and now so don't do any no lynch nonsense or it looks scummy.

I'm not really seeing a slip here.

He just seems to agree with the others who have said we won't learn anything from voting no lynch.

[Starbuck]

What about the part chess pointed out, Starbuck?

It could be a slip, but could also mean the multiple nights that scum usually get to kill people.

How new at mafia is ender?

[Starbuck]

Not feeling it, and that was a hell of a lot of people to jump aboard that train before he even got a chance to explain.

[Starbuck]

It really wasn't a defense, more like a disagreement.

[Starbuck]

It's your perception that I flipped out, sir. I did no such thing.

I didn't know questioning/disagreeing with the masses = flipping out.

[Starbuck]

He went all the way to L-2, which makes me very weary of a scum-driven train.

[Starbuck]

I'd hammer.

See?

My point is made.

[Starbuck]

I'm leaning Starbuck, but IS and bv310 haven't even posted yet, which is probably the safest for scum at this juncture.

If ender flips scum, then Starbuck is definitely on my radar. Stupid no posters, though.

Starbuck calls it how she sees it.

While I can see how some people would see what he said as a slip, too many people voted in the span of time that it took for him to reply and explain. Someone's out looking for an easy lynch and it's those people on ender's wagon.

About his claim, please remember that this game is based on the SHOW and not the COMIC as there are some differences. Andrea IS a main character in the show .

Yeah, I don't get the case against me.

Saying this and then voting ender for no reason is scummy as hell.

Not feeling it, and that was a hell of a lot of people to jump aboard that train before he even got a chance to explain.

Yeah, but, I mean, wouldn't you say this regardless? This feels like a scripted answer.

See?

My point is made.

Wait, so you're saying Fate is scum?

1. Yes, I would say that regardless. That was a lot of people to jump aboard.

2. No, I'm not saying Fate is scum. I'm saying he likes brains. =P

[Starbuck]

I think the Wraith wagon is a good one and will hammer when ready.

[Starbuck]

It's a little hypocritical to just post and call me (who has been posting more than you) a lurker.

[Starbuck]

I have 17 posts btw compared to your 2.

[Starbuck]

My eye is definitely on bv.

His 2 total posts so far are complaining about forgetting about games & to let him catch up and get content up.

[Starbuck]

As for me lurking? Yeah, I guess so, if you go by number of posts. On the other hand, who else rose up and shouted that ender was a townie while others were talking about hammering him? [sarcasm] Obvious lurking there. [/sarcasm]

I may not have leaned townie on him just yet, but I did speak up about him before you.

[Starbuck]

bv has been one of the biggest contributors when I've played with him.

Have you played with him as both scum and town?

[Starbuck]

Starbuck, I know exactly what youre trying to say and its expected. I wasnt lurking, I simply wasnt aware that the game had started. I believe bv is on the same boat.

Regardless of such, your posts must be sucking air because despite you posting 14 times, you didnt say anything memorable. You might as well be lurking.

Might as well be lurking does not = lurking.

Also, I must have said something memorable if people are thinking I'm scummy because I disagree with their view on ender.

[Starbuck]

@GreyICE - I think the people who jumped on both rather quickly should be noted.

@The Rufflig - It doesn't mean I didn't stand up for him or give a strong defense.

[Starbuck]

Hey Starbuck, you've talked about Ender, and Jack, and Fate.

How's Wraith looking?

I think he's scummy and I'd vote him, but I'm more for learning more before hammering.

[Starbuck]

Damn it, Starbuck. I don't want to focus on you right now. Couldn't you have kept away from calling what you did a strong defense of ender241?

Your rapid defense of him was strange, starbuck.

It really wasn't a defense, more like a disagreement.

Oops. Caught with your hand in the cookie jar, Starbuck.

I shouldn't have said defense. I'm sorry, I've had a rough day. Finding out that the military is forcing me out and not letting me reenlist is kind of a tough thing to deal with.

But The Rufflig is definitely wrong when he says that he was the first person to stand up for ender and seems to dismiss anything I said about ender due to his feeling that I was neutral. That shouldn't have anything to do with it.

[Starbuck]

Now, I think that ender's probscum for not letting bv get caught up and for quickhammering.

[Starbuck]

Oh, i'll UNVOTE: if your that bothered. It was going to happen anyway, sorry for rushing it.

It's too late. He was at L-1 when you voted.

Learn to pay the fuck attention.

[Starbuck]

Oh, i'll UNVOTE: if your that bothered. It was going to happen anyway, sorry for rushing it.

It's too late. He was at L-1 when you voted.

Learn to pay the fuck attention.

Sorry Starbuck.
It's really unfair.
You seem better than your scumbuddies, but this is the hand you were dealt.

If only I was scum, then this statement would be true.

[Starbuck]

Fate...Jack....please answer this question for the mounds of people who haven't played with me before, when I'm town, do I typically have a townie or scummy meta?

[Starbuck]

Wraith, claim please.

[Starbuck]

I had this notepad document saved on my desktop from where I left off to Wraith's death yesterday.

bv is scummy.

Now you agree with me.

I refuse.

Refusal over anything in mafia is scummy. Just FYI.

[Starbuck]

I also do disagree with the following from Wraith...

I'm Amy, currently VT. Unlike ender, I actually know who I am. I am Andrea's sister, and I die at the end of Episode 3. Andrea goes shell-shock then kills me just as I turn during Episode 4. So yeah, that's why I doubted ender's claim, because TBH I doubt that the mod would put both siblings in the game. That's just my opinion though, not related to mod meta or anything real.

If you go back and read my link to the Wiki page about The Walking Dead, then you'd see that Andrea is a main char in the show and Amy is not listed as main character.

As this game is based on the show more than the comics, I will go with the information I know from there.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck, where and why did you find bv scummy?

And the chesskid thing was obviously a joke... Kind of misrep there.

I find bv scummy due to meta. He is normally quiet and non-contributing when he is scum. As such, I don't believe he's added anything to conversation yet.


Not a misrep at all, I didn't take chesskid's reply of "I refuse" as a joke.

You asked in 308 for thoughts on bv, and he countered with wanting to know why you would want his thoughts before night fell. Fate chipped in with asking why he wouldn't answer the question and asked him to stop being difficult, and then chess still refused to answer.

How is that a joke?

[Starbuck]

Here are all of bv's posts in the game from start to most current...

I love forgetting about games.

For the love of God, let me catch up and get some kind of content up before hammering.

bv has been one of the biggest contributors when I've played with him.

When the hell was this? I'm not exactly a prolific poster.

Anyway, in reading the thread, I am confident in saying that Ender, Wraith, and possibly Amrun are scum. Ender started lurking way too quickly once Wraith started getting a bit of pressure.

Also, @GreyICE, why are you so convinced that there's both a cult and scum? I'd be willing to bet it's something like cult and an SK, if there's multiple factions.

Also also, are you fucking kidding me with that hammer, Ender? Someone needs to vig his ass tonight.

Rufflig, unless those two are somehow confirmed to you, don't act like they are. They're scummy as hell, and you trying to say they're guaranteed town because of some part of a VT PM matching means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. I've been scum in a TM game before, and he gives full PMs as fakeclaims.

IS, have you ever played with Jack before? This is nothing new for him.

Amrun, I find you scummy because you're calling the other two conf-Town when all you have to go on is a few matching words that could clearly be out of a fakeclaim PM. To me, this reads that you somehow know that they are Town. The only way you could know this is if you're not Town, i.e. Scum. Guess I could've made that a bit clearer in my other post.

lolwut? My post calling you as scum was #286, posted today at 5:04pm. Your initial auto-belief in the Vanilla claim because of the words (even going so far as to say you believed that it wasn't a fakeclaim based on that line) was posted as #87, yesterday at 4:16pm.

[Starbuck]

bv didn't have anything prolific until after the hammer fell.

[Starbuck]

You aren't chesskid, and you are blatantly saying that behavior that I think to be scummy is a joke. I think you are trying to protect your buddy and answer for him. Not liking this at all.

I doubt that he didn't know the game started. I was busy on the day that PMs came out and didn't get to reply to the mod and already had a PM sitting in my box from the mod when I got home stating that he didn't think I could keep up with the game. So I HIGHLY doubt that he didn't know the game started.

Now that's 2 people that you are answering for and making excuses for.

Vote: Amrun

I'm gonna call it right now. Amrun, bv, and chess for scum 2011.

[Starbuck]

How is stating the refusal typically = scum considered an attack? I didn't vote him, just said it was scummy.

Saying something is scummy does not always mean an attack.

[Starbuck]

EBWOP *stating that

[Starbuck]

Offering different interpretations is what this game is about, if you hadn't noticed.

Like my different interpretation of what ender said yesterday?

But that immediately made me scum because I interpreted it differently from you, though, right?

/sarcasm

[Starbuck]

Case incoming on Amrun, I'm gonna break it up into a few posts so that it's not one giant wall.


Ender's supposed slip/misunderstanding happened in Post 44

He was immediately voted by Jack in Post 47

Followed by:
chesskid3 in Post 49
RedCoyote in Post 50
GreyICE in Post 51
Amrun in Post 56

Thus putting him at L-2.

After ender explains, Amrun says in Post 62

I just wanted to see him explain, personally.

I'm not satisfied with the explanation because it ISN'T one, but him being at L-2 for something that's probably a mistake is making me uncomfortable.

UNVOTE: ender

Your rapid defense of him was strange, starbuck.

It's a little odd that she says that him being at L-2 makes her uncomfortable when SHE is the one who put him there. Pressure is one thing, putting him all the way to L-2 is another.

She also states that she feels that I flipped out over ender being voted, which is a DEFINITE misrepresentation of what I said about disagreeing with the votes on him.

It read as a defense to me.

Flipping out over someone else's pressure votes is not a townie sign.

Here is what I originally said....

Post 53:

You don't vote NO LYNCH, we learn nothing and the scum get another chance to kill one of us. If we try we might get one here and now so don't do any no lynch nonsense or it looks scummy.

I'm not really seeing a slip here.

He just seems to agree with the others who have said we won't learn anything from voting no lynch.

Post 54:

What about the part chess pointed out, Starbuck?

It could be a slip, but could also mean the multiple nights that scum usually get to kill people.

How new at mafia is ender?

Can anyone tell me where I flipped out in those two posts?

Amrun's got a slight problem with stretching the truth, which she realizes in Post 69...

Starbuck: You actually didn't flip out, but your reaction was strange. Did you really think everyone wanted to really lynch ender like 40 hours into the game? Wtf? They were obviously pressure votes, so no need to defend unless he's your scumbuddy.

So now she redacts accusing me of flipping out, could you be anymore wishy washy?


She also votes Fate for his obvious joke about hammering in Post 87...

I believe the claim because of the "for now." Also Andrea isn't a zombie in the show.

VOTE: Fate

Explain yourself. What possible townie motivation is there for wanting to hammer on anyone so early?

Even if you were sure he was scum, a one-day d1 is a bad idea. How can we sniff out his scum partner(s) if we lynched so quickly?

Asking for advice?

Also, she believes Ender here because of the "for now" and knowing that Andrea isn't a zombie in the show.

Then she swaps right back over to not believing him in Post 111. More wishy-washy goodness...

There was a specific reason I believed his claim wasn't a safeclaim, but he just blew that out of the window.

But I'm not hammering. We can still gain info this phase.

Ender. No one said that. I said that Andrea wasn't a zombie as a reason why I BELIEVED you.

I know Tony requested flavor knowledge for anyone signing up for this game, and the episodes are READILY available online so that's crap. There are only 6 or something.

At this point, Ender, you're so clueless that this is, indeed, looking like a botched fakeclaim.

Andrea is a character, but there are enough characters that she can be a fakeclaim without much issue.

So she continues to push his lynch with the weak reasoning of his lack of knowledge of the flavor.

And then, she even says....

He didn't claim scum, though.

WTF? You just spent the whole last page plotting his demise!!!


To be continued....

[Starbuck]

Votes don't mean something isn't an attack.

No, it didn't immediately make you scum...

I disagreed with the thought process behind the incident you're thinking about. It seemed to make more sense for scum.

However, I didn't really think you might be scum until later in the day.

Your behavior really baffles me, to be honest. Disagreement doesn't need to lead to votes or scumminess, but sometimes it does. Sometimes that's because a difference in philosophy and sometimes it's because one of the pair is scum.

You're not my top scum read, so I don't know why you're getting your feathers so ruffled. I was just making conversation, to begin with, really.

In other words, I thought maybe you hadn't considered that it might be a joke. You hadn't. I, on the other hand, had not considered the possibility that it wasn't a joke and your post helped me think about it in a new way.

That's a good thing, for town, but scum use it against people. That is the entire basis of the game.

Assuming is bad, mmmkay?

1. My feathers aren't ruffled.

2. You don't get to decide what I did and did not consider. I tried to read that whole line of conversation in the eyes of a joke and seriousness. It didn't read along the lines of a joke for me.


How about you let chesskid explain himself rather than being his white knight?

I didn't see you rush to help ender when ender did something that other people considered scummy.

[Starbuck]

That makes sense. It would be a little strange for zombies to have individual power roles, but who knows? Maybe they need to in order to balance the set up. I have no idea.


However, in Tony's original thing in the ad queue, he said something like "If you don't like cults, don't play this game." Something to think about.

You left out one word that could change that, which is the word "might".

From Post 75 of the Upcoming Games Thread....

The Walking Dead

The zombie apocolypse is here. Will you gather against the geeks or will you turn on eachother?

• BaM game - flakers will be modkilled and banned, no exceptions.
  
• Based mostly on the first season of the tv show.
  
• There might be cults. Not sure yet, just fair warning if you hate cults.
  
• There will be zombies. Pretty sure of this one.
  
• 13 players
  
• 1 week days
  
• As per usual, experimental roles are a possibility.

Requirements for pre-in

:

• One completed game.
  
• Having seen the show / read the comics. (It's just six episodes, check it out you haven't)
  
• The above requirement can be waived if you've played in my games before.

PM to pre-in (supply limited, first come, best served)

[Starbuck]

Why the hell is Starbuck posting so much?

Sorry I was in the midst of working on my case on Amrun and Amrun kept replying.

Didn't want to lose what I wanted to say.

[Starbuck]

Also, I have a week-long drill starting either late tonight or tomorrow morning all the way until Friday.

So I guess I'll just

V/LA for the week

so that people don't get upset when I'm not around much.

[Starbuck]

Well, thanks to Jack that was solved rather quickly.


I just read Raivann's ISO (thanks to GreyICE for pointing it out). He is either the same or just a bit worse than bv.

I'm gonna do a read over of chesskid and see what I can find. Oh, btw, chesskid, why wouldn't you answer Jack in those few posts before yesterday's lynch scene?

[Starbuck]

Ender, what do you think just happened with Amrun?

[Starbuck]

He got shot.

She.

By?

[Starbuck]

FffUUUU.

Case on me was full of dumb.

Have fun culthunting without me.

Don't be so damn scummy and then I won't have a case to build on you and your wishy-washy/fence-sitting ways.

[Starbuck]

I know this will venture into WIFOM territory, but what if there's no cult? Zombies are scum and we have an SK?

That one dude was still on the loose at the end of Season 1.

[Starbuck]

I always end up forgiving you for your faults because of Jonathan Rhys Meyer.

[Starbuck]

chesskid, what's your case on me, bud?

Also, Rufflig, what's your case on RedCoyote?

[Starbuck]

Traslation= "braaaaaiiiiinnns"

This made me LOL.

[Starbuck]

I spent a lot of time reading over Amrun the other day and I wanted to go back and read over Fate. But posting from my iPhone currently doesn't help me do a thorough read.

And that's you saying I don't give a shit, sir. Not me.

I also stated that I was going to be V/LA for this week due to drills and such at work so that I wouldn't get such crap.


I personally would like to see some opinions from the quiet people. Or prods. Prods would be nice.

[Starbuck]

Post 356 states my V/LA btw.

[Starbuck]

Fate, just stay away from the monkey brains, they'll give you the HIV.

[Starbuck]

Gonna do a Fate/general re-read again later on at work (if I get a chance). I already did one re-read this week already. I may have to save it until tomorrow night as this day may be chock full of drill goodness again.

No, no, no, no, NO! In fact, Starbuck mentions that Amrun was answering for two different people. This shows that it was more of Amrun's playing style than scummy behavior, but even putting that aside, it is still wrong. Starbuck was arguing that Amrun was scummy for defending his scum buddy chesskid3. This argument relies on the "fact" that chesskid3 is scummy - which had not been proven. Bad argument! Not good point!

RedCoyote understood where I was coming from with that. You just stretched that all out to mean what you want it to mean.

First, where did I mention that Amrun was answering 2 different people? And how does this show it was her playing style?

Just because you don't find someone scummy, doesn't mean that they aren't scummy. Seems to me you are trying to say that unless you deem someone scummy than it isn't proven that they are.

[Starbuck]

That's twice now that you haven't remembered what you said in this game. Perhaps because you don't actually believe what you are telling us?

If this is about the disagreement/defense issue, that was a different thing.

I actually wanted you to show the class what you were talking about with the current situation so I can correct you. It's not that I did not remember what I said.

Way to try and discredit me though. Noted.

A good part of your argument is that Amrun has to be scum because he is defending others.

My argument is that she was ANSWERING for others. Defense is kinda implied, but it wasn't my point.

Answering for people typically looks like you are answering for your scum buddy, which is what I took it as from Amrun.

Secondly, Amrun's flip gives no information about the alignment of those he was defending.

No shit, Sherlock.

Your whole argument is a variation of the Chainsaw defense which requires that the person being defended be scum. Quite frankly, if you hadn't made a subsequent post with the other reasons you thought Amrun was scummy and if bv310 hadn't muddied the waters about Amrun, I would have voted for you over this.

Because I had more of a case than just her answering for people and I even said at the beginning of that first post that I would break it up into multiple posts so that it wasn't one long wall.



Amrun was white knighting two people. It was scummy. Just because Amrun was village, doesn't mean that she wasn't scummy or acting scummy.

[Starbuck]

Scum can't defend town?

Apparently so.

[Starbuck]

I just did an ISO of chesskid, and I really don't see anything prolific in his posting. He really just seems to be trying to ride the wave of the game along.

Vote: chesskid

[Starbuck]

I didn't feel I needed to restate that I didn't like his refusal to answering Fate at the end of Day 1 and that he has been riding my scumdar hard.

[Starbuck]

I wanted you to explain your statement further and you did and thus you were wrong because you stated what I originally said in a way to misrepresent me.

[Starbuck]

Absolutely. You had no reason not to answer that question.

[Starbuck]

And since we haven't seen cult yet, I'm not fully convinced there is one. In the sign up post, Tony said "might" and "may", not "definitely". Once I see proof of a cult, I'll be more inclined to believe it.

So for the mean time, I'm scumhunting.

[Starbuck]

I didn't deny the existence, sir, those are your words not mine. I said I'm not fully convinced, not that there isn't one.

[Starbuck]

You saying that you blatantly refuse to answer a question without giving reason at the time is scummy. It means either that you didn't have an answer for him (meaning what you were talking about was bullshit) or you refused because you want to protect him.

[Starbuck]

Do you even try and read genders under people's names?

[Starbuck]

No, I just prefer being referred to by my proper pronoun. Kthnx.

[Starbuck]

noway sir.

this?

Yep, I'm a ma'am or a miss.

I could understand if my gender wasn't on my profile, but it is.

It's really not this big of a deal. I just prefer if you are talking to me to use my pronouns, thus I don't get confused if you are talking to me or someone else.

[Starbuck]

Can we get back on point, miss?

You were the one that derailed it this far, not me.

I just made a simple request.

[Starbuck]

Already answered that above.

[Starbuck]

Not really, because if after you got culted and for some reason, he was lynched. It would distance you from him.

[Starbuck]

Not scum or cult here, but nice try to get me lynched, chess.

Why isn't he lynched yet?

[Starbuck]

I thought chess thought Sbuck was scum, nto town.

Whats all thsi MISLYNCH nonsense?

He is jet straight up confusing now and quite the distraction.

[Starbuck]

Sure, I've been convinced ender started out with a VT PM AND/OR scum have access to said PM.

He needs to die either way for being complete fucking dead weight... shame that applies to HALF THE FUCKING PLAYERLIST AS WELL

How do you feel about bv?

Is it just that you mislynch him a lot or was that it?

why can't I get me a nice starbuck wagon?

Because your whole supposed case consists of OMGUS (because how DARE I suspect you) and that you don't have a guilty.

[Starbuck]

bv, if you had to place a vote right now at this very moment, who would it be and why?

[Starbuck]

Gonna withhold my vote for now, until somewhere where it will be useful shows up.

/unacceptable

Absolutely 100% agree.

[Starbuck]

Where the fuck has Jack been? Ever since he shot Amrun, he's faded into the shadows.

[Starbuck]

I'm a little lost on the case on IS. Can someone explain that one?

[Starbuck]

Unvote, Vote: bv310

Still no vote. You, sir, are stalling and I'm not liking it.

[Starbuck]

Anyway, since I'm at L-1, I'll claim if anyone wants it.

Well done, Fate. You just lynched the Doctor. I protected you last night, so you can thank me for still being alive today.

Someone needs to learn how to count.

I want your case against me that isn't based on something you just made up because it sounded like it could work.

It's what chess has been doing all game.

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If someone can make me a non tl;dr case on bv, ill hammer him. Otherwise ill stick with Fate scum.

I know some suspect that he is the recruiter and nabbed Fate. And that he isn't really being helpful, but what else? How did behave on the Wraith lynch?

You can ISO him yourself and stop being lazy. That'd be a good idea.

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I really want Starbuck dead, but I'll settle for Bv, who seems like a perfect recruit for Starbuck, given who she has been targeting.

I'll make a fucking amazing case tomorrow and you'll all see the light and i'll be the hero gotham needs.

It's always tomorrow with you. If your case on me wasn't so weak, you wouldn't have to wait until then.

doctor in cult game
nope.jpg

Why the fuck is there a doctor in a cult game though?

No existence of a cult has been proven.

The cult talk has distracted everything.

where should I put my vote so we don't NL

You really have to ask where to put your vote?


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unvote
Vote: RedCoyote

RedCoyote knows too many people are town.
I believe Bv's claim. I still think Fate and Ice are recruits.
Re IS: I don't like how fate and Ice voted him.

WTF? There's a difference between "knowing" and "town reads". You should learn to read more better.

[Starbuck]

Unvote: bv310, Vote: chesskid3

Thanks for responding to the pressure, bv. It shouldn't have had to go that far had you just contributed something.

I don't support lynching a claimed Doctor.

[Starbuck]

I vote for who I think is scum, especially since you seem like you are setting up to give your prolific views on me after I'm NK'd tonight by you.

[Starbuck]

I still don't get the case on IS and asked for an explanation. I read him over, but I think I'm missing something.

[Starbuck]

All right. You guys may be getting my support on a cult being in the game with all these no kills at night.

[Starbuck]

I'm not at least.

I'm just trying to think who has been floating easily along that would be a cult target. Now, I think chesskid is scummy, but I don't know if he'd be cult material because of that (unless he is the recruiter).


Now the thought is, probable cultists. If Jack had a vig shot yesterday and if bv was able to use his doctor, then there is a high chance that one of them was culted on the overnight. I also would safely say maybe GreyIce or ender would be good choices. People staying under or acting like they are trying to stay under the radar.

[Starbuck]

bv, nameclaim for me please.

[Starbuck]

ITT: Starbuck the CR clears Jack,BV,Greyice and Ender?

Excuse me? I didn't "clear" anyone. I'm just trying to think of who would be a good choice, who wouldn't be probable for death.

I mean, wouldn't a cult want people who would survive and not a high-profile target?

[Starbuck]

GIMME THE FLAVOR AND BACKGROUND OF YOUR FUCKING DOCTOR CLAIM NOW.

[Starbuck]

You're the cult recruiter, you tell me

You've been going on for days about me being the cult recruiter and saying that you had some kind of guilty on me which was all a farce.

You said you had some big case you were gonna talk about today, where is it?

[Starbuck]

How so? I don't think questioning the existence of a cult yesterday was a bad thing. I think those still denying the possible fact of it today need to reevaluate, especially when the only kills in the game have been a lynch or vig.

[Starbuck]

If "we aren't dealing with a cult", what is your theory on the fact that there have been no NKs?

[Starbuck]

Edwin Jenner is a scientist working with samples in order to find a cure.


TL:DR
NOT A FUCKING DOCTOR JACKASS
LRN2FAKECLAIMBETTA?

Sorry but you're wrong...

Walking Dead Wiki - Edwin Jenner

First paragraph...

Dr.

Edwin Jenner was an employee for the Center for Disease Control, appearing in episode 5, Wildfire and TS-19 . He is the

sole doctor

who decided to remain behind, while the others abandoned the facility, some trying to survive with their families while others commit suicide. He dies in episode 6, TS-19 when he chooses to stay behind in the Center for Disease Control as it explodes.

[Starbuck]

Doesn't mean he can't be a scientist AND a doctor.

You have to get a Bachelor's in some type of medical SCIENCE to be a doctor.

[Starbuck]

Higher actually, but my point is made.

[Starbuck]

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY
HE FUCKING FAILED MISERABLY AT CURING ZOMBIE DISEASE
SO
NO I DON'T THINK HE WILL BE DOCTOR

He has the title dude. Did you even watch the show?

[Starbuck]

Because the mod can design the game to fit the flavor he would want the game to have.

[Starbuck]

and he wants a doctor
in a cult game
why exactly?

It sounds more like a bodyguard than a doctor reading over bv's paraphrased claim.

Probably to prevent cult from being able to cult somebody? There were quite a lot of "battles" between humans and zombies in the first season. They didn't get a bite off every time in the show because they were able to "protect" themselves.

[Starbuck]

except this guys own wife got bit
It stinks of fakeclaim
anyway
he's for tonight
you aer for today

Okay??? He says that in his claim.

I haven't been very succesful in stopping the infection, especially after the death of Subject 19, my wife, but I am still a competent doctor, so I can protect people at night.

Almost every zombie comic/book/movie/show made has the main protagonist losing their closest family. I don't see it as a fakeclaim, but you seem to like distracting the hunt and going off on tangents.

[Starbuck]

A little less caps rage would be nice.

[Starbuck]

And some of us are zombies.

And some of us are zombies.

And some of us are zombies.

Umm????

[Starbuck]

Problem?

You tell me.

[Starbuck]

us refers to the group of all of US, obviously.
Nicetry.jpg

Are you sure?

[Starbuck]

From nomming on brainzzzzz?



I've been looking for a reason to post that pic. =)

[Starbuck]

Ender, do you have anything prolific to add?

[Starbuck]

Ender, what is your case on Fate?

[Starbuck]

He's been wanting the hammer ALL THE TIME, a few pages in and he wanted the hammer he is so quick to change his mind it's just stupid and scummy.

That's Fate. That's just something you have to get used to.

It's a null tell because he does it as either town or scum.

Time to get a new case.

[Starbuck]

Grey, what are your thoughts on IS?

[Starbuck]

JACK
GET IN HERE
AND POST
SO WE DONT LOSE TWO (LIKELY) TO MODKILLS

[Starbuck]

And that's what 2 vig shots we've lost? Amrun not using hers and this one?

That sucks.

[Starbuck]

Sorry guys! I typed it in and typed in abit too much, i hope you enjoy your game and i won't do it again!

8.) When you die, you are dead. Stay that way.

[Starbuck]

STARBUCK KNOWS

Is there a light at the end of your tunnel? I'm not so sure...

[Starbuck]

I don't think it's as awesome as you think
A lot of people had dumbtown reads on Ender at this point (i did, for example), and would have seen that as a weak attack on him,

A weak attack? WTF are you talking about?

[Starbuck]

Biggest scumread but still no case, go figure.

[Starbuck]

Passively? How?

[Starbuck]

Sorry Fate, but the Cult is in another castle.

I'd be safe to say the castle of chesskid.

Vote: chesskid3

[Starbuck]

And some of us are zombies.

And some of us are zombies.

And some of us are zombies.

Umm????

Btw, notice how quick IS came to chesskid's defense when I pointed out this SCUMSLIP.

[Starbuck]

Why do the people who misuse their PRs get them as roles? I mean be fucking smart about it for goodness sakes.

[Starbuck]

I love a lynch on me with no basis for a case.

A lynch on chesskid would better benefit this town.

Chesskid, you wanted a war, you fucking got it.

[Starbuck]

I still don't see any case on me other than chesskid's finger pointing.

If he's a member of the cult, why would I even be considered for recruitment as his biggest critic?

It'd make no sense whatsoever.

[Starbuck]

I may be an idiot having a town read on you, Grey.

[Starbuck]

I didn't say IS was scum. I was pointing out how quick he was to defend. He could very well be town.

Chess, on the other hand, definitely isn't and that was a slip.

[Starbuck]

I don't believe BV to be the recruiter. I definitely believe him to be the doctor.

I'd look along the lines of Chesskid and IS.

[Starbuck]

How's Grey trying to save me when he's voting for me?

That makes no sense.

[Starbuck]

I dont think CHESS has enough balls to be the bussing type.

L O fucking L.

[Starbuck]

EDWOP: that should be a quote from IS, not me.

[Starbuck]

Let's take a look at chessZOMBIE, shall we?

Day 1

A good chunk of his posts are just fluff and floating along.

Some of his actual game posts include the following...


He was immediately one of the first people to jump on Ender for his supposed scumslip, which we know now with ender's flip wasn't a scumslip. Just a noob misunderstanding.

another chance to kill one of us.

Seeing as n0 was either a nonlethal nightstart or kill was prevented, slip?

A nonlethal nightstart hmm? Why would you say something like this? Especially if you don't believe bv to be the doctor he is saying that he is.

PEDIT: hmm zombies would work as a cult too.
probably some cult/mafia hybrid

Orly???? Letting us know a little more then?

so do BV and IS get modkilled or do we get the whole "game was only open for 1day" crap?

Pushing for modkills for an easier win? I think so!

why do the people who make me cry have to be town?
Ender is seriously calling me scum for noticing a beautiful slip? Gosh man, NOT EVERY WAGON IS A LYNCH-BEFORE-PEOPLE-TALK wagon omg.

He was calling you scum because that's what you are.

lol zombie worship
being a zombie is the cult
recruiting is biting
om nom nom

Slipping us more info?


Not to mention his refusal to give any thoughts before night when Fate asked...

from me?
Why do you want my thoughts before night, exactly?

I refuse.

Take a look at the Wraith lynch.

L-0 Wraith (Fate, The Rufflig, chesskid3, GreyICE, raivann, RedCoyote, ender241)

Chess is sitting as the 3rd person to vote Wraith. Right in the middle, perfect position for scum.

[Starbuck]

Onto Day 2 of ChessZOMBIE...

>_>
that was a shitty read.

I didn't give my opinion of bv yesterday because in a cult game I saw absolutely no reason to do it.
If I were to post something negative about him and then get culted and he turns out to be cult leader, well that would really suck for me wouldn't it?
Like it or not, it's PtW at its finest.
Now that it's day, I'm happy to give opinions. Sadly, it's not a very good opinion. I can't read bv for shit.
Jack should be prettymuch clear of being cult leader, since that would be all kinds of bastard to give the zombie leader/original zombie/whatever a vig kill.
Ravainn is being really stupid, but honestly I find all the jumping on him bad. Like, we all jumped on Wraith and I was as surprised as anyone at that flip, but given that, lets not repeat the same damn mistake.


..I have homework to do before my class tonight, but I'll read the last few pages again, there's some big stuff going on there for sure.

This reads of more bumbling along trying to add content when really there isn't any in the entire paragraph.



And starting on Day 2, he starts his whole "STARBUCK IS A ZOMBIE GUYZ! I SAW HERZ EATZ TEH BRAINS!"

ok taht was weird as hell, I coudln't post earlier.
Anyway

Vote: Starbuck

happy RC?
Now I'm going to bed, and i've got class all day tomorrow.
Posting incoming Thursday>_>

Starbuck is zombie

Starbuck, are you seriously still trying to push my refusal to answer an opinion question pre-night IN A CULT GAME?
REALLY?

GOd that was why I put my vote on you in the first place for temporary, until I found a better place. Then you CONTINUE TO PUSH THE SAME BULLSHIT?

Aggravated because he knows what I called him out about was scummy?

Damn straight.

yeaaaaaaah that's a cult tell right there, denying the existence of a cult when everyone else is convinced one exists
somehow suppoesd to make people go "oh he can't possibly be cult look at him not even believing there was a cult"
Explain why you needed me to answer that question
Explain WHY me not answering it was scummy, without using rhetoric and bullshit
tia

There's cult right there. He's the guy screaming the entire time that there is a cult in the game!

Hiding out in the open. Scumtastic if I say so myself.

SO you think scumteam fails to kill 2 nights in a row
noway sir.[/quote
He ADMITS that the scum team didn't fail 2 nights in a row.

Also, answer me this
Suppose I'm scum/cult/whatever
I'm asked for a read in tiwlight
I decline
Fate goes off on me for not giving it
I still refuse? Why in the fuck would I do that, instead of just pacifying?
HOnestly you need to think shit through before you try to go for the "easy" misslynch missy

Think shit through is just the tad bit of ad hom that I was looking for.

Easy Mislynch? No sir. You are scum and it won't be a mislynch at all.



As he is still going on and on, he finally says...

i'm not softclaiming a guilty on starbuck
I was refering to my play and there being a reason for it.

So again, there is still no case on me during Day 2 or even during Day 3.

If I was trying to get you lynched, I wouldn't have clarified. Nice try, though.

Another scumslip? I think so.



How many scumslips is this brain-eating menace gonna live through?


The rest of the day is his back and forth with bv. He votes bv because he wants bv dead if he couldn't get me dead.

I can claim tomorrow if people want, btw
it will all make sense

I really want starbuck, and I'll make a fucking amazing case tomorrow and you'll all see the light and i'll be the hero gotham needs.

So where's this claim you went on and on about? Still got nothing from you.


Discrediting BV...

Why the fuck is there a doctor in a cult game though?

it's a cult game wtf is going on why are people trying to pretend it's not

Because we don't have a role PM stating that we are members of the cult.

I think you're not going to get nightkilled because you're the cult recruiter and there are no kills, but you already knew that.

Might wanna turn this accusation back onto yourself.

[Starbuck]

EDBWOP:

Onto Day 2 of ChessZOMBIE...

>_>
that was a shitty read.

I didn't give my opinion of bv yesterday because in a cult game I saw absolutely no reason to do it.
If I were to post something negative about him and then get culted and he turns out to be cult leader, well that would really suck for me wouldn't it?
Like it or not, it's PtW at its finest.
Now that it's day, I'm happy to give opinions. Sadly, it's not a very good opinion. I can't read bv for shit.
Jack should be prettymuch clear of being cult leader, since that would be all kinds of bastard to give the zombie leader/original zombie/whatever a vig kill.
Ravainn is being really stupid, but honestly I find all the jumping on him bad. Like, we all jumped on Wraith and I was as surprised as anyone at that flip, but given that, lets not repeat the same damn mistake.


..I have homework to do before my class tonight, but I'll read the last few pages again, there's some big stuff going on there for sure.

This reads of more bumbling along trying to add content when really there isn't any in the entire paragraph.



And starting on Day 2, he starts his whole "STARBUCK IS A ZOMBIE GUYZ! I SAW HERZ EATZ TEH BRAINS!"

ok taht was weird as hell, I coudln't post earlier.
Anyway

Vote: Starbuck

happy RC?
Now I'm going to bed, and i've got class all day tomorrow.
Posting incoming Thursday>_>

Starbuck is zombie

Starbuck, are you seriously still trying to push my refusal to answer an opinion question pre-night IN A CULT GAME?
REALLY?

GOd that was why I put my vote on you in the first place for temporary, until I found a better place. Then you CONTINUE TO PUSH THE SAME BULLSHIT?

Aggravated because he knows what I called him out about was scummy?

Damn straight.

yeaaaaaaah that's a cult tell right there, denying the existence of a cult when everyone else is convinced one exists
somehow suppoesd to make people go "oh he can't possibly be cult look at him not even believing there was a cult"
Explain why you needed me to answer that question
Explain WHY me not answering it was scummy, without using rhetoric and bullshit
tia

There's cult right there. He's the guy screaming the entire time that there is a cult in the game!

Hiding out in the open. Scumtastic if I say so myself.

SO you think scumteam fails to kill 2 nights in a row
noway sir.

He ADMITS that the scum team didn't fail 2 nights in a row.

Also, answer me this
Suppose I'm scum/cult/whatever
I'm asked for a read in tiwlight
I decline
Fate goes off on me for not giving it
I still refuse? Why in the fuck would I do that, instead of just pacifying?
HOnestly you need to think shit through before you try to go for the "easy" misslynch missy

Think shit through is just the tad bit of ad hom that I was looking for.

Easy Mislynch? No sir. You are scum and it won't be a mislynch at all.



As he is still going on and on, he finally says...

i'm not softclaiming a guilty on starbuck
I was refering to my play and there being a reason for it.

So again, there is still no case on me during Day 2 or even during Day 3.

If I was trying to get you lynched, I wouldn't have clarified. Nice try, though.

Another scumslip? I think so.



How many scumslips is this brain-eating menace gonna live through?


The rest of the day is his back and forth with bv. He votes bv because he wants bv dead if he couldn't get me dead.

I can claim tomorrow if people want, btw
it will all make sense

I really want starbuck, and I'll make a fucking amazing case tomorrow and you'll all see the light and i'll be the hero gotham needs.

So where's this claim you went on and on about? Still got nothing from you.


Discrediting BV...

Why the fuck is there a doctor in a cult game though?

it's a cult game wtf is going on why are people trying to pretend it's not

Because we don't have a role PM stating that we are members of the cult.

I think you're not going to get nightkilled because you're the cult recruiter and there are no kills, but you already knew that.

Might wanna turn this accusation back onto yourself.

[Starbuck]

Onto Today...

So this is his supposed claim...

As for an explanation of the events of yesterday: I'm unrecruitable (Immune to zombie bites). I can claim further if it's desired of me, but that's why I didn't want to give my reads on D1. I knew I was the perfect cult candidate, and I didn't want to possibly fuck that up.

I'm not informed if anyone tries to bite me, so I have no idea if it worked, but yeah. And if they haven't tried to bite me by now they never would so I'm not wasting anything by claiming here.
That would also be why I'm so damn sure there's a cult.
Questions/Comments/Concerns?

Unrecruitable? I highly doubt that.

Perfect cult candidate? Try perfect cult MEMBER.

Not informed if anyone tries to bite you? BS, if you ask me.

I'm just thinking
what happens to cults if/when the CR dies?

Concerned about you and your fellow cult members, are you?

because cults that can recruit every night always are unbeatable unless dayvigs have hella accuracy.

A subtle admission?

MY FUCKING ROLE PM TELLS ME THERE'S A GODDAMN CULT.

THERE IS SOMEONE IN THE WALKING DEAD
WHO WILL NEVER GET BITTEN
EVEN IF HE/SHE LIVES NEAR 50000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 ZOMBIES
THINK MAN
THINK

for a reasonable test though
ask yourself how you would play this game as CR
and then look at how starbuck has played

Smart cult, would have kept their mouth shut about the cult. You opened it up for the whole game to know throughout the entire game.

It's just that no one else really has gone back and read your iso.

All the pieces fit together people. Chesskid is a brain muncher.


His continuing discredit of BV is ridiculous because bv's Doctor claim makes more sense than his Glenn unrecruitable claim. Take a look at Glenn's Wiki Page. I don't see anywhere how Glenn could be unrecruitable.

"That is not to say Glenn has no weaknesses. Glenn has displayed a tendency to act before he thinks, such as risking his life carelessly when confronting the obviously hostile Bruce (who knew who he was), and crashing the car into The Prison in panic, endangering himself and everyone to save him. His tendency to panic is also highlighted when under extreme pressure, such as when The Governor captured the trio and beat him down without any resistance. He was disabled by pure shock and fear, and only snapped out of it once Martinez saved him."


More discrediting of bv...

inb4 scum tried to kill Starbuck N0 and Fate Nights 1 and 2

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY
HE FUCKING FAILED MISERABLY AT CURING ZOMBIE DISEASE
SO
NO I DON'T THINK HE WILL BE DOCTOR

YES I WATCHED IT
I WATCHED HIM BURN DOWN HIS ENTIRE LAB BECAUSE HE STUPID
NOW YOU TELL ME WHY HE WOULD BE AN EFFECTIVE STOPPER OF ZOMBIEDEATHS
WHEN HE SUCKS

and he wants a doctor
in a cult game
why exactly?

To give your brain eating self something to bitch about?

except this guys own wife got bit
It stinks of fakeclaim
anyway
he's for tonight
you aer for today

Edwin Jenner is a scientist working with samples in order to find a cure.


TL:DR
NOT A FUCKING DOCTOR JACKASS
LRN2FAKECLAIMBETTA?

ALSO
NOT WHO I AM
I'VE ACTUALLY GOT SKILLS AT ZOMBIE AVOIDANCE
I DON'T HOLE UP LIKE A MAGGOT

You have no skills at zombie avoidance if you are one.

And here are some more of those scumslips...

EXCUSE ME
YOU AREN'T ALONE

AT LEAST ONE OF US IS A ZOMBIE

HOW THE FUCK WOULD YOU BE BITE IMMUNE?
SERIOUSLY WORST FAKECLAIM EVER

WHEN DID I SAY I WAS BITE-IMMUNE? I said the only character that would make sense to be bite-immune was me.

Seriously though, fuck off with the Fate-CAPS LOCK shit. You are not Fate, nor will you ever be, no matter how hard you try.

why would you make sense to be bite immune?
you aren't alone in your little CDC hideout, you're with the group. And some of us are zombies.

THIS THREAD NEEDS FATERAGE TOO
DIE STARBUCK DIE
VOTE: STARBUCK
YOU KILL BV WHEN STARBUCK FLIPS CR GREY
WE CAN WIN THIS SHIT

Too bad that I won't be flipping CR.

And we've all read today, so please someone tell me just how chesskid has lived through multiple scumslips, stating the actions of the cult, and getting by with the most horrible fakeclaim that I have ever seen?

If you are not voting for him, you are wrong.

[Starbuck]

I'll claim for you all right now and make this easier. I am T-Dog.

T-Dog's Wiki Page for those who need it.

[Starbuck]

It's not my fake-claim. It's my real claim and I'm just a VT. I haven't gotten a gun at all yet.

[Starbuck]

Flavor wise paraphrased...

I'm camped out with 12 other people. Constantly on the move to not be eaten by people who have turned into zombies. There is tension within our group and trust is an issue.

I am defenseless for the time being and I win when all the enemies of the living have been killed.

[Starbuck]

But seriously, SBuck's flippin scum.

No matter what I flip, please lynch chesskid right behind me.

[Starbuck]

But seriously, SBuck's flippin scum.

No matter what I flip, please lynch chesskid right behind me.

did you just claim scum?

Nope, I claimed that you are scum.

[Starbuck]

Grey, I promise you don't waste your shot on IS. For the good of the town, hit chesskid.

[Starbuck]

bv, make sure you get a protect on either IS, Fate or Grey.

[Starbuck]

WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU VIG IS AND NOT BVDOCTORCULT? HELL JUST PROTECT HIS BUDDY IF HIS ABILITY IS ANY SEMBLANCE OF REAL

BV is telling the truth.

Don't let chesskid's lies infiltrate your head.

You'll be beating yourself up post game for not going after him.

[Starbuck]

IS, your vote would be better on chesskid and not on Fate.

I've got a town read on Fate that's brighter than the lights in Vegas.

[Starbuck]

If you guys want any chance of stopping the cult, the lynch needs to be on chesskid.

[Starbuck]

Because why? BEcause you went through his ISO and attributed everyhting he said to "cult this cult that"


Deadbuck is dead.

Because I KNOW that he's the Cult Recruiter.

[Starbuck]

Because he recruited you?

O_o?

Yes, sir.

[Starbuck]

I'd prefer the lynch on chess so that I can have a part of his demise and if Grey wants to shoot me, I'm good with that.

[Starbuck]

this is a wonderful switch from starbuck going like
THERE'S NOT A CR
THEY'RE ZOMBIES
AT THE START OF FUCKING TODAY
LOL LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I was hoping that you wouldn't go through with the bus, but instead you want to make the rest of the game unenjoyable for me. So I'm going to make sure that the faction I started with wins.

[Starbuck]

Confirm Vote: chesskid3

[Starbuck]

IS, your vote is still on the wrong person.

[Starbuck]

I wish I had a gun. Chesskid would have been dead yesterday.

Amrun sitting on hers and the town losing ender's just blows.

[Starbuck]

But then again, she may have had the night one like yours.

[Starbuck]

I guess this adds a new angle when thinking about your recruits when the zombies can out you now.

I'll explain everything postgame.

*pinky swear*

[Starbuck]

busy PMing Tony about not playin to win cons?

I've been PMing Tony throughout today because I'm frakking pissed off.

[Starbuck]

Nope, that part would be going against the whole quoting rule which is why I have to explain it postgame, but either way. Lynch me or lynch chesskid, but shoot the other one.

[Starbuck]

and why people are being stupid

I'm wondering the same thing about you.

[Starbuck]

Fate, you'll understand it in the end, but you will /facepalm if this town does not kill chesskid now before he can recruit anyone else.

[Starbuck]

chess your silence immediately following such was more of a "uhh..fuck me?"
t
han a

"LOL CULT LAST DITCH LULZ"

Yeah.

I just wan Sbuck to explain how cult wins, who was recruited, EVERYTHING.

You can't have that.

[Starbuck]

I will flip cult and when I do and "recruiter" isn't next to my name like I said. Please shoot chesskid.

[Starbuck]

I won't do that because I won't "truly spite" the rest of the cult.

[Starbuck]

or you know
because you are full of shit
and if you had to make up more fake cultmembers
it would expose you as full of shit

Ahhh more insults.

You mad bro?

[Starbuck]

I won't do that because I won't "truly spite" the rest of the cult.

K so you're going to CRIPPLE the rest of the cult by taking out their FEARLESS LEADAH, but you dont want to TRULY spite them:

AND

you so called "WANT THE FACTION YOUSTARTED WITH TO WIN"

BUllshit lies and contradictions.

LETS LYNCH HER NOW.

Fate, I'll be ready to give you a hug postgame. Because you are so incredibly wrong, sir.

[Starbuck]

You stating that I'm full of bullshit and lies. Sir, it gets no truer than these past few pages.

And honestly, you've gotten a lot better (attitude wise) in games. I appreciate that.

You may not want to hammer me until Jack posts. Don't cripple the town anymore.

[Starbuck]

lolgambit to get you to shoot the uncrecruitable townie.
brilliant starbuck
shame you on farte

BTW, your fakeclaim sucks.

[Starbuck]

And you are "unrecruitable" as you said, not "BULLETPROOF".

[Starbuck]

IT WAS A TYPO GOSH


FATEFATEFATEFATE

BACKPEDAL FASTER.

I DONT CARE WHICH OF YOU DIES TBH, THOUGH FOR POLITICAL REASONS IT HAS TO BE STARBUCK.

I'm okay with this, just make sure a gun aims at chesskid.

Lessen the blow on the town.

[Starbuck]

oH YEAH BECAUSE NOT STROKNIG YOUR FRAGILE EGO WHEN MY MISSLYNCH PROBABLY ENDS THE GAME IS BACKPEDALING
LOLK

LOL, I should really count how many times you've said mislynch in this game and create a drinking game out of it.

[Starbuck]

You stating that I'm full of bullshit and lies. Sir, it gets no truer than these past few pages.

And honestly, you've gotten a lot better (attitude wise) in games. I appreciate that.

You may not want to hammer me until Jack posts. Don't cripple the town anymore.

I'm just saying your posts don't line up with the thought process YOU YOURSELF have claimed.


You want town to win, since you were originally town? Answer all my questions. You've ensured a cult loss if you're telling the truth.

You want cult to still have a chance? Why did you out the recruiter, and why did you say you want town to win?

I just don't understand people and their vengeance.

I have no respect for people who only want to recruit someone so that they can bus them and then go "oh lookie, told you she was cult".

[Starbuck]

Why would you have no respect for chesskid playing to his win con?


Then again I've seen scum be WTF at their buddies bussing in other games so... >_>

Why waste a recruit just to kill a teammate? It makes no sense.

He could have done this with me still being town and have said "well, she was scummy anyways".

[Starbuck]

I had to problem with being recruited. I read my role PM and went "Cool, recruited to the cult. Let's do this", only to have it all shattered when I read the QT. I was even trying to supply other targets in the thread but instead chess came full bore at me. I was trying my best to pacify my suspicions of chess until he started up on me and then the gloves came off. It didn't help that we couldn't/can't daytalk so I couldn't express here how I felt about the situation.

I'm not a fan of being forced to join a team and then not being able to have any input about the course of the game or give better ideas. As a team game, maybe I should have been considered in that respect before being recruited instead of just being thrown to the side as cannon fodder. I expressed my feelings about this to you in PM and that it seemed that chesskid went out of his way to recruit me on purpose just because I pegged him as scum from the very beginning. How is that in any way fair when you are supposed to recruit people in the cult to survive and/or playing to his (and the cult's) win condition?

Daytalk and people standing up to that reason could have definitely prevented this. I didn't mean or want to out chess and myself. I even was trying not to go to war with him at the beginning of the day and his tirade got very fucking tiring.

You even told me in PM that you didn't mind me getting him lynched.

[Starbuck]

First sentence should read as "I had no problem with being recruited".

[Starbuck]

you play to your fucking win con. OUTING YOUR RECRUITER DOESN'T DO THAT

Neither does recruiting someone to your team just to fucking kill them and doing so in a game where the cult can't daytalk.

He had other viable options for recruitment. He didn't have to choose me.

[Starbuck]

You even told me in PM that you didn't mind me getting him lynched.

I told you to try to get him lynched. Because that would be the right play.

Hell, I would've accepted you giving up. Just not ruining it for 3 other people.

I understand why you did it, and

I DONT CARE

. There is no excuse for selling out your alignment.

PLAY TO WIN or GTFO

I don't understand how you can have been here so long and don't understand how what you did is the biggest offense you can make on this site.

I was playing to win and did so for as long as I could until chess became un-fucking-bearable in thread.

And what would have giving up done other than give another modkill to the game?

I didn't sell out my alignment. I sold out chess, and that I will own.

[Starbuck]

I think Fate should be Sara.

[Starbuck]

Even though I fingered you as scum from the end of Day 1, it's just no one wanted to listen and then you recruited me and we know the end to that story.

[Starbuck]

Damn, my fault! I would have killed Fate but i got meself Modkilled =( sorry everyone.

So what was it that you said? I didn't read back quick enough.

Did you just openly quote your role PM?

[Starbuck]

No argument. I just ask you to give it time and give me another chance later on.

As this is my first and only time.

[Starbuck]

Cept I wouldn't have RECRUITED HER IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Thank you.

[Starbuck]

I think the cult QT should be made public.

[Starbuck]

I just wanted to say FUCKING LOL.

And also that I did NOT waste my vig shot. I got it n1 to be usable starting n2 ... got shot d2.

I was worried about that. Thank you for the clarification and sorry for the case.

You did defend cult-kid though. =)

[Starbuck]

Me and Rufflig are against it, it's not happening.

It's all good. Just goes to show that I'm not afraid for my words to be seen.

[Starbuck]

I wasn't trying to defend him, though I realized afterward how it could be misconstrued.

I just interpreted what he said very differently than you did, and of course, you knew he was CR and I did not, so we were bound to have different interpretations.

I didn't know at that point that he was the CR.

Didn't know that till beginning of Day 3.

[Starbuck]

Not showing the QT is cowardly and I think the rest of the players have a right to see it.

And personally, I don't want to be banned, IS.

[Starbuck]

All you have said in the Qt is the same nonsense you have said here, Starbuck, so what courage you have

First rule of mafia: you don't talk about mafia
Second rule: you play to win

You link to the zombie qt = I will push for months of ban

Can you stop now?

I'm on probation already from mith. I've never had any other serious offense on this site, but I guess that can't be looked at, huh?

[Starbuck]

All you have said in the Qt is the same nonsense you have said here

, Starbuck, so what courage you have

Thanks for the clarification that I'm not the one who is blocking the opening of the QT. I appreciate it.

[Starbuck]

I'm on probation already from mith. I've never had any other serious offense on this site, but I guess that can't be looked at, huh?

You got probation, how is that *not* lenient?

I don't hold any punishment power over you, so I think you can tolerate some abuse in this thread. I won't carry a grudge outside this thread, I just wont play with you again.

And no one has a right to see QTs. There are many good reasons to not make qt's public, and if someone doesn't want to share their scumplay, it should be respected.

Where did I say that it wasn't lenient? As it's my first serious offense, I would hope mith wouldn't automatically jump to a ban.

And last I knew, since I had access to it, I should be able to show it. I mean, I could do as everything else is suggesting and just copy and paste it to a document and share.

[Starbuck]

I did what? Link the QT?

Where?

[Starbuck]

OMFG, how did I not catch the Firefly reference?

See what you did, chesskid.

Now link the damn QT.

[Starbuck]

I can understand repeated offenses being blacklist-worthy, not one.

[Starbuck]

Because I would hope that my longevity on the site would prove otherwise.

[Starbuck]

I understand that.

I just don't see why the QT can't be shown, especially with other members of this game asking for it.

[Starbuck]

Thank you for admitting that I was recruited and shit upon, now can the QT be opened so everyone else can see that too?

[Starbuck]

Sbuck started as town, btw.

[Starbuck]

That's why there should have been daytalk.

To get told at the beginning of the day that you are recruited and you aren't able to talk to your teammates (or talk them out of a plan) is plain unfair.

[Starbuck]

You even said so for yourself...

For the record, this no day talk thing sucks. I don't agree with their plan to bus. I would have liked the chance to go another direction with it. I don't agree with no daytalk.

I kinda regret not having daytalk, but then again you are crushing town... :p

Then I express my feelings about it to you...

For the record, this no day talk thing sucks. I don't agree with their plan to bus. I would have liked the chance to go another direction with it. I don't agree with no daytalk.

I kinda regret not having daytalk, but then again you are crushing town... :p

Since I can't daytalk, I'm gonna bus the shit out of him. I don't like feeling like he recruited me just so he could bus me.

I think it's bullshit that I can't daytalk with him and the other 2 and it made this game all the hell of a lot harder since I have to wait until night that I'll probably never see because he would rather kill his teammate than a townie.

Then take it out on him and get him lynched :p

Both of these are directly after I am recruited and after I read the QT.

[Starbuck]

But things completely changed when I became a member of the cult. My strategy changed the minute I read my Role Change PM.

That wasn't MY strategy.

[Starbuck]

And how is it considered being a team when I completely disagree with the strategy?

But I'm locked out from giving other ideas because there was no daytalk.

This was set up for failure.

[Starbuck]

I wasn't playing to lose at all. That was never my intention.

And how can I tell you that? Because the only person that I outted was chesskid. I did not out my other teammates.

[Starbuck]

I do own the fact that I outted chesskid and was it a bad move. but the it was not to intentionally lose the game.

[Starbuck]

Holy fuck, I can't type right now.

I do own the fact that I outted chesskid and it was a bad move, but it was not to intentionally lose the game.

[Starbuck]

No, I didn't. I was hoping for a lynch on chess and the fact that the cult got the daykill when he died.

It wasn't hopeless.

[Starbuck]

Now think real hard. You been bird-dogging this township a while now. They wouldn't mind a corpse of you. Now you can luxuriate in a nice jail cell, but if your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty floral bonnet: I will end you.