Mini 1138 - Candy Zoo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Morthas]

I'm going to wait for someone with an anime picture to post so I can randomly vote for them.

Why the hate....why?

VOTE: Kalofer

[Morthas]

And I found a way to break the game open.

Do evil people want to know your goodies? Y/N

With the amount of knowledge we're given we have to assume yes,
Especially since the mod has given us an example of a VT role pm but not of a MG (or is there a special rule that i am not aware of?)
The only way i can think of to make sense of this, is through the post that the mod does after someone dies and if that doesn't help. From a VT prospective, we are all making wild guesses

Also, agree with Twisted about Vezok seeming to know more than he should assuming he is a VT

[Morthas]

Vote: Morthas

, for basing his answer off of the example role PM, instead of his own (because he didn't get a town PM of his own.)

And who are you to suggest that no townie could know any details about the candy?

[Morthas]

Re-reading the whole threat~~~

hoppster is acting all suspiciousy. He's accused me of rolefishing. It's hard to beat Vezok at that though.
anyways, It looks like hoppster might know too much for VT too.

Isn't that what you're doing?

Hoppster wrote:

Kalofer wrote:
Also, where are you from crazy
Twisted and Hopper do you like anime?

Sorttttt of.

RQS ended hoppster, keep up

It just seems you're desperately trying to divert the attention to the source of all attention to you by nickpicking (or is it called strawmanning here?)

Hoppster is trying very hard to sound town.

Where?

and you still look like you're trying too hard to look both town, dictate play and defend vezok
Caps lock doesn't strengthen your argument either
anyways, I'm not interested in tunneling on hoppster as he is on me.

Still trying very hard to nickpick things to accuse him of

Hoppster wrote:
I'm not trying to defending Vezok.

Backpeddling? Lets' see, you accused me of rolefishing over vezok, themaster of the art, and

Are you going to be angry when i tell you i accuse you of rolefishing too? I mean, you do it like a proper mafia - not blunt out but you seem to be generally very very interested in ''who is more than a VT''

Anyway, everybody lynch TS now, it's already taken too long.

Im taking a guess you are either gouging reactions or being very anti town with which so far i am not sure what to think of you

moar buddying

trying to make allies are we?

anyways, scum will have likely gone unnoticed so far, under the radar as it will

Hoppster is merely trying to make a name for himself as a scumhunter. Apparently the end justifies the means to him, no matter how anti-town they may be. coughsheepingbuddyingstrawmanningdefendingquestiondodgingetc.cough

In the same goddamn post you say that scum are probably under the radar and then you go out saying that Hoppster is scum, contradiction in one post.
Some of that stuff about Hoppster we're already explained, and proven how much they wouldn't make sense. Restate the reasons you are voting Hoppster

Somehow I feel that only scum would notice this.

You're obviously wrong since numerous players already did (including myself)

@Toasty: glad to see someone isn't basing their reads off of one pretty post. +1 townie point

/facepalm/ You were JUST accusing Hoppster of doing the same thing (buddying, which is what Toasty was pointing out) in nearly the same manner...

Ops, Hoppster mentioned ^ that himself in the next post... damn

Also, although I don't really like to go too much into closed game mechanics at such an early stage, but has anyone noticed that there were 2 kills pre-game (even though they aren't actually players). I don't know general mafia team setups for mini-themes (2 mafia, or 1 large(r) mafia), but since there were 2 kills, it already suggests something...

True enough, let's think about this in the next day though.

reading this page you guys seem to want me to destroy the cases against me.
But flailing and defending myself is scummish.
Scumhunting is the best defence and hopefully I'll move onto hat soon.

Oh, and i've seen a pattern that scum are always going after the most active players in my games.
Curse my high posting rate.

anyways, I expect the real scum to be lurking so far, and will try and comment on this when more people get to posting

So wait, if that's what you think, why are you still voting for him? I mean if you pressure voted him, by presuming that ''real'' scum are lurking you are making your vote quite pointless

Twistedspoon wrote:
But flailing and defending myself is scummish.

@mb & TS: You're already doing this, the only thing using logic would do is make your case look competent... I can't really see a downside there.

+1

shrug

how can I scumhunt when I'm defending myself.

Anyways, scum would want me to defend myself; it distracts me from scumhunting.

Scum would want you to waste time by defending youself? Bs. Scum would want all the attention diverted at someone who can't defend themselves (which is what happening to you right now ;D). Bad logic

like i say, I don't see the point in defending myself 5 pages in but to keep you guys happy, I'll say that scum would never be as active as me, I wasn't rolefishing, and my pro-townness outweighs my anti-towness

That's as far as I'll go on defending myself for now. I don't have time to talk about the only confirmed townie I know of in the game (me), when there are 12 other players who could be scum for all I know.

@Vezok: true, but I scumhunt better than i defend, and that's what I prefer to do 5 pages into the game. Defending myself at this point is just silly and only scum usually want to waste time by getting players to do this.

Opinion on TS's self called ''defense''
1) From experience: Yes, yes they would, maybe it's not as likely to see a scum active poster than a town active poster but the possibility isn't that far off
2)A few people pointed out just ''how'' you were rolefishing. How about you counter those points with what we're your intentions at given points of time.
3) Who are you to judge yourself? Besides wouldn't only scum measure how ''pro town'' they are?
4)Yes, yes you do, and that's exactly why. You are the only one who knows if you're town
5)Not true and look at 3)

It's 5 pages in, day 2. Come page 8/9 I'll happily defend myself.
Not sure why you want me to defend myself so much. Why do you care if I defend myself well or not, especially if I'm a null read.

If you provide a good enough defense maybe then you can finally stop being that much of an attention ho
UNVOTE: VOTE: TwistedSpoon
You all should know why.

@Amrun: How about scumhunting?
@Everyone who has 1-5 posts: Join in, don't be shy, there's CANDY~~~ (Sorry Kalofer, i AM a hypocrite)
Ah, i have a slight town read on Hoppster and nearly (if not all) arguments used against him we're bs ;

[Morthas]

seriously, how can you tar

Zyrc, I love you.

and

@Toasty: glad to see someone isn't basing their reads off of one pretty post. +1 townie point

with the same brush?

One of them is buddying. Have a guess which one

Taken from the http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Buddying_Up

Typically the Mafia member will try to be friendly in some way, either outright or, more often, subtly.

Both buddying, yours is a little more subtle

[Morthas]

LOL. Twisted spoon is so scummy.

I don't have a complete grasp of the game so fat mb. I have twistedspoon as scum. Amrun as scum. Some neutral. And you as town. I may have missed some but it's hard to give reads on page 5.


Also: I AM MALE. Stop calling me she.

unvote
vote twistedspoon

Get a complete grasp already ;D. By ''you'' you are referring to?

[Morthas]

Zyrc, editing quotes or misquoting is really scummy

Also, answering questions directed at other players is scummy too. It was addressed to vezok, not you.

And, I don't think you know enough about me to judge me as a player.

Um, no.

[Morthas]

Zyrc, editing quotes or misquoting is really scummy
Also, answering questions directed at other players is scummy too. It was addressed to vezok, not you.
And, I don't think you know enough about me to judge me as a player.

Um, no.

This is scummy. Morthas moved to my scum list now. i love it when scum get to cocky and think they can say anything to the suspect.

How is it scummy 0.o?
If you want to know what i meant by my ''Um,no'' it is
(1)I don't find the way Zyrc misquoted in any way scummy
2)My question was out of confusion, nothing i needed vezok to answer so no, not scummy) <--- for short ''Um, no"

P-Edit 1&2: Don't claim just yet, we haven't heard from at least 3 players in a while

[Morthas]

This is like banging my head against a brick wall.

Well that means it will be all the more satisfying when you make a hole.... right?

7)so? How many times have scum been as active as me? And yes, I know that sounds WIFOMish.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=15188 <-- A finished game where i played and the scum could be found to be posting alot (also the posting alot thing came up too, at some point)

(never linked to a game before so i hope it's according to the rules~)

[Morthas]

UNVOTE:
In order to prevent a hammer, time to think and maybe discuss his claim.

[Morthas]

When i meant discuss i didn't mean massclaim
If you want to discuss please do it in a neutral way without hinting your own role in any way. Please think before posting otherwise it will only hurt town.

[Morthas]

EBWOP

When i

meant

said

discuss i didn't mean massclaim

[Morthas]

That sounds like a scummy role, tbh.

Explain please

[Morthas]

She is a zoo visitor and the flavor in the beginning makes it seem like one of the zoo visitors are the murderers.

But my gut is inclined to believe TS is town.

But that would presume TS is lieing and i doubt (judging by this game) he would be able to elaborate such a lie but of course i may be surprised
So because of me believing TS could not think up of that as his role i am going to pull back from voting TS and start thinkin he's just a VI

got Ninja'd several times with people detecting the same thing as i did

@vez: officially town VI read for me

ah and, what i said is exactly what Kalofer said, just he did it in more detail

Not sure what to think of Zyr just yet, going to skim him later along with Amrun who im getting gut feelings from

STOP NINJAING ME

[Morthas]

Really late at night,
Can't force myself to do anything other than read, will probably post tomorrow

P.S. Did i mention i usually post more on weekdays?.

[Morthas]

Too drunk to think, posting just so i can avoid being prodded. Woo~~

Ah the only thought i had before this is:

1) I agreed with Kalofer's post about TS's possibility of being town and i was convinced of him being town until the
2)'' happening':'' ;and me being very very doubtful of the claim so a lynch of TS would at the worst possible scenario clear the misunderstanding of my PM.

Very sorry, will try to look more deeply tomorrow...Damn i hate making promises...

@Kalofer: Woo, this must be the first game you actually thought i was town ;D

[Morthas]

Having a hectic week, been thinking of replacing but ultimetly decided to

@Mod

: V/LA until the 18th which is Friday, or wtvr i am supposed to say in order to tell everyone that i won't be posting for a few days

[Morthas]

Happy Birthday Amrun ;D. Birthday on Saint Patrick's day? Amazing! One more reason to get wasted partying ;D

http://youtu.be/ZFifY3IMUdU
Kind of a Youtube nerd so

If you wondering, Im only going to post game related tomorrow, when i have more time

[Morthas]

Ok, officially back from V/LA
Let's start with reads:
Amrun, Vezopiraka and TS are town

And I found a way to break the game open.
Do evil people want to know your goodies? Y/N
Just answer and say nothing more. Everyone has to do this.

How did she know ''evil'' was in the candy animal pm when nobody mentioned it before nor the mod's pm hint at it in any way?
Simple, she is a VT (but of course there is a possibility that scum may have had some sort of indicator about it in their pm but ill take my chances)
2nd Amrun

Of course I hope not to kill a townie, twisted.
But if you are a townie, then my role PM can't be trusted in its wording.
The wording is strong enough that I will push your lynch until you are dead or I am proven wrong.

I re read and i did not notice anyone else hinting anything about ''evil'' and now that the beans we're spilled there is no use in hiding it
He is town

F*** it.
Either me, TS, or Amrun will get night killed, and if we do, AVENGE US, DAMNIT!
TS's role claim is my role. Thar.
...Or did I already say this? I've been having some trouble in-between my games...

So you're saying that TS did not guess your PM but it's legit?
and 2 posts later you notice Nobody Special finding a contradiction and immedietly you go

HOLY CRAP.
That little [censored].
Vote:TwistedSpoon

I honestly think you are just trying to blend in and finding a legitimately looking bandwagon to jump on, ah you could also add the accusation of him lurking a bit too much
VOTE: Hazard
P: Edit: I have a town read on TS now that Hazard confirmed it by 1) Legitimately Claiming 2) Scum who knows TS wasn't lieing and trying to get town cred and safety by claiming to be a PR
P-Edit: Just noticed that i got Vezo's and Amrun's genders wrong but im going to leave them that way just to piss them off ;D

[Morthas]

EBWOP: I should add, both of them NEED TO use their roles tonight.... seriously! I'd have advice on how to use them, but town tends to bitch when I puppeteer power roles....

As long as general opinion agrees (myself included) i say go for it, unless someone can bring up how that can turn out badly

[Morthas]

vezok, can you pleeeeeeeeeeeeasse stop rolefishing soon?

But by the amount of rolefishing already done, or could be done just by carefully deducting how much damage can this do now?
From where i see it, it just makes the information public to those who don't bother thinking deeper and i can bet our scum could already figure that stuff out... You know, people's highest scum suspect being TS and such. Whoever isn't voting, VOTE already. I'd like to atleast see who your top suspect is

I still approve of a Hazard lynch~~
I also FoS at Kalofer

[Morthas]

i don't like him

[Morthas]

If i had to pick i'd go Zyrc but my vote stays on Hazard

[Morthas]

Other than the "Game thread is here" and "Reply to this PM to confirm" it's pretty spot on.

TS's role claim is my role. Thar.

...Or did I already say this? I've been having some trouble in-between my games...

Just saying I might not have time to really think about what's going tonight. I have/am walking home from track, so I read through the thread. I will say that TS's defense looks like something a normal Scum would make. But even if he is Scum isn't exactly the most normal Scum.

Now someone tell me HOW can you even suspect TS after confirming his PM to be EXACTLY AS YOURS
It's either he lied for no freaking reason or he is scum, and the current mindset here says he deserves a lynch.

[Morthas]

If Hazard by any chance flipped town then it would mean he was a stupid townie, very very stupid townie

[Morthas]

How dare ye misquote me! I have valid reasons to believe vezok is town ;o

[Morthas]

@Vezok: Please shush, disagree with you completely. What do you think of Hazard and my accusations of him?
@TS: YES I HAVE POINTED IT OUT SEVERAL TIMES, if you are still unconvinced, go post #528 (9 flippin' posts before yours) where i have quoted him claiming

[Morthas]

FAAAAAACK, my browser crashed and there go my 10 minutes of typing /headesk x 1000/

It could also be town vouching for scum who claimed his ability.

Impossible since TS claimed before anyone mentioned anything about being a zoo visitor other than the name itself and somehow guesses it ''spot on'' according to Hazard himself (fun fact, he is voting him)

The possibilities of Hazard saying ''spot on'' :
1) Saving a townie who he has confirmed 100%( ) and goes to the length of claiming to prevent a mislynch
2) Scum trying to PR claim in order to stay alive because he KNOWS it must be true
TS: a confirmed townie or Hazard having a rough day + @Amrun: So which out of the 2 possibilities left suggest Hazard as town?

What the hell is this lal policy? YOU HAVE CONFIRMED HIS ROLE + ALLINGMENT how can you even consider him being scum?
The fact that Hazard is voting for TS is making me think about his motivations and those do not comply with number 1)
Well there is of course the possibility of Hazard getting amnesia and forgetting that he confirmed Ts being town

Last thing before bed:
Everyone who is voting TS, please answer Zyrc's question

[Morthas]

I'm honestly confused. LAL really should NOT apply to TS according to Hazard, and yet it is...

I think Hazard is probably scum.

Ugh. These two players' claims are mindfucking me.

So wait, you still think TS is more likely to be scum?

@Hazard:
WHY DO YOU IGNORE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY ACCUSATIONS/QUESTIONS? I believe Avoiding such accusations/questions is scummy since i see this as an attempt to hide something hoping that'll ill get off your back with time

+1 to Zyrc the Lawyer

[Morthas]

sigh, disapprove TS's lynch. I approve of the lynch of the person i'm voting

[Morthas]

I guess that means i'll stop reading pointless cases on TS already woo ;D
KALOFER YOU ASS

[Morthas]

*points at Hazard* VOTE: Hazard

Hahahaha, no. We have a doctor or the game setup requires mafia to collect candy before a NK.

[Morthas]

Yes, yes i am

I support a nobody special lynch though ;o

[Morthas]

@Vezok: RIIIIIIIGHT, and scum can't possibly think of lieing. Right?

[Morthas]

Thanks mb for pointing out why NS is scummy, had pretty much the same thoughts but i'm thinking that Hazard has more chance of being scum
Who else abided to the LAL rule as much as NS? From what i remember Toasty, who in my opinion doesn't seem to have town motivations for his various standings on players but hey, it might be me wrong or his bad play.

[Morthas]

@NS: The problem is after catching up you hardly did anything and there were enough reasons to ignore TS's ''HUGE LIE''.
Sorry using LAL as an excuse to Lynch a bad player because of him trying to conceal his role did not strike a good vibe from me.

[Morthas]

Wait, didn't you already vote for me? What's your reasons for voting me? Why amrun and why Toasty? Quick conclusions 0.o? Sigh.

[Morthas]

Just checking back in while i'm on.

A better question is what does scum gain if said secret is revealed?
ROLE INFORMATION.
What does town gain if that secret is revealed?
NOTHING.

^^This will be added to my case on zyrconium
Also, I would like to see a Zyrc scum list.

Wrong. Both mb and TT
What does scum gain if said secret is revealed. Hardly anything useful to them since TS already claimed where he details his PM completely
What does town gain if ''said secret'' is revealed? The ''secret'' is WHO Hazard targeted during the night right? Well then, he tells us, and we ask the person who he claims he stole candy from and they tell us if they indeed lost their candy.

There are 2 possibilities: Hazard is town and Hazard is scum right?

Hazard as town: Tells us and we cross-check it with the person he claims
Hazard as scum: Says the name of a scumbuddy who may or may not want to protect Hazard
Responses and Actions with concequences:

1) Positively: If we lynch hazard and he is scum, that means he is his scumbuddy
2)Negatively: We 100% lynch Hazard and we get a free scum kill.

Ah, nearly forgot about TT, use your brain a lil, maybe then you'll look as if your scumhunting
Sorry for lurking, it's just that the amount of stupidity going on makes me hesitant to post

[Morthas]

IF SAID CANDY ANIMAL IS REVEALED, HE WILL NO LONGER HAVE ANY CANDY TO STEAL. AND IF YOU ARE THINKING OF TELLING ME ''OMG BUT THAT CONFIRMS HAZARD HAS CANDY!! "WHO GIVES A SHIT. HE ALREADY CLAIMED THAT HE IS A ZOO VISITOR AND IF THAT IS TRUE HE ALREADY CONFIRMED HIMSELF AS A CANDIDATE FOR HAVING CANDY
I really doubt there would something as retarded as having the exact same role but different allinment

This could confirm a person as a Candy Animal, and from Amrun's PM we know evil people (ie. scum) want goodies.

f Hazard goes "I targeted X and stole Y," and X replies "Yes, Hazard did target me and he did steal Y," how does this have no possibility of confirming somebody as a Candy Animal? It may not to us, but if Hazard is town it will confirm a Candy Animal to scum

(Number of scum < Number of Town) = worth the risk
Drop the Evil people shit since we already confirmed that town alignment wants goodies just as much.
Ah, did anyone notice that atleast half the players already made statements where you can understand their role? I did.

That's just stupid. First of all the only thing it might solve is knowing who a candy animal is, but that's if they are told when they loose candy. But, even if I wad Scum, it wouldn't prove that I am such.

First of all the only thing it might solve is knowing who a candy animal is

No........?

but that's if they are told when they loose candy

According to that logic, candy animals would not have been told of what candy they have gotten in the first place, that would be completely retarded anyway

But, even if I wad Scum, it wouldn't prove that I am such.

I have no fucking idea what you are onto here. It would prove you're scum if the person whose name you say does not confirm that he lost his candy

(and should Hazard be lynched/NK'd then it will confirm it to us).

He will not get NK'd now that he is the new center of attention if he is indeed town.

And if anyone's wondering. YES IM RAGING

[Morthas]

Ah, and if you would like to tell me that my logic is bad,
Make a bullet points with exact reasons

[Morthas]

Well then Hazard, presuming you are a visitor and you targeted someone, what is the ''response'' PM that you got from the mod? and don't forget to tell us WHO you targeted

[Morthas]

What? Really? So trying to lynch a person who i think is scum and constantly trying to push a lynch for him counts as ''trying to get role information'' ?
gtfo, make a better case on me
Besides where did i say ''IM HANTIN SCUM"?

[Morthas]

Well then, since i am obligated to ask before i get any form of response from everyone,

WHO IS FOR AND WHO IS AGAINST HAZARD TELLING US WHO HE TARGETED?

Anyone who is AGAINST, i will have to ask you to explain why exactly.

Ah, and no sorry, no scumlist just yet =/.

[Morthas]

@TT: Could you specify what kind of role information do you hope to conceal?

[Morthas]

How do i say this.... GO READ THE LAST COUPLE OF PAGES, im pretty sure i already posted it twice if not once. ALSO, stop avoiding my question.

[Morthas]

I think Kalofer was bitten by something or someone on the hike he went on recently ;\

[Morthas]

Because there is a possibility he lied about his role completely & he is just afraid of being proved scum (which is the possibility of him saying a name who doesn't reply with ''yes i had candy stolen'')
Yes, my bad Kalofer. i was too centered about it making him scum but the possibility of him having no candy stealing mechanic right now still exists.
Besides, his reaction so far is exactly as scum would handle it which doesn't prove anything but still noteworthy.
Ill rethink my stance on Hazard sometime later as i am busier than usual today.

[Morthas]

Sorry, busy week-weekend
Maaaybe going to be posting tomorrow

[Morthas]

@TT: TS claimed something unique, and town sounding, Hazard claimed "me2" Even then, Hazard's claim wasn't that scummy, his pursuit of TS right after it was more scummy, but he's somewhat redeemed himself from that.

Is why i have been voting Hazard, not because of the information reveal.

The case on Stels makes perfect sense except i want to think it's just him being an idiot. Not in any way against that wagon, just not a part of it just yet.
@Stels: Wow, correct me if im wrong but the post where you defend yourself is one of the biggest posts you did all game ;o does that say something?.
STOP BEING SO AGGRESSIVE, RAWR

Can ya add to the list that he hasn't scumhunt like, EVAAAR (or atleast was completely useless anyway)

[Morthas]

The way Hoppster creates 2 wagons without considering a player's ability at this game gives me vibes, scum vibes

It would perfectly make sense if Hoppster was mafia and had 2 abilities: one of which was to make himself untargetable by other abilities and the other killing someone (explains how there was no nightkill too)

Besides believing his claim = having such an ability would be very OP and if the trade off was not to kill anyone, it would make sense

I can also theorize since Hoppster strikes to me as a fairly confident person and had judged that town wouldn't get onto him was the reason he picked to hide himself, over a kill which could give town info.

I am also thinking that Hazard would make sense to be him scumbuddy because he (correct me if im wrong, im kind of short on time) didn't pursue Hazard even though he made a similar mistake to what TS kept doing on day 1.

Realized i had to go in middle of writing this so i may have to add something later

[Morthas]

Opposed to hammer for now~~

[Morthas]

So, we're just going to waste time waiting? That makes it tempting to hammer even though i did not want to be part of the wagon >.>, I doubt his claim would change the minds of anyone but i would appreciate another role explained

[Morthas]

Hey Hazard, Does your pm have any hints that your role might have a different alignment?

[Morthas]

Your role suits you well ;D
Hey, Stels since it seems your going to die anyway , how about you tell us what you think about everyone ;D

[Morthas]

Hey Hoppster, what are you reasons for concealing your 2nd ability?

[Morthas]

I would prefer numerous other players to lynch over Stels

[Morthas]

Hazard ;D

[Morthas]

Hey Hazard~~~~ mind answering my question ;D?

[Morthas]

Im not lynching him because i dont think he is scum 0.0

[Morthas]

KALOFER, NOOO!!!!
Sigh, a Zoo Visitor had died. Awfully convenient for Hoppster but that is WIFOM, wtvr
I want to see VasuVasu's thoughts and a few other's reaction, especially Hazard.

[Morthas]

@Hoppster: As much as i love to see Hazard votes i get scum vibes from how you always target easy targets. I'm starting to doubt my read on him, he seems like a VI now
Can i presume you have used your secondary ability since you didn't hide this night?

@Hazard: COULD YOU FUCKING STOP FUCKING IGNORING ME

[Morthas]

Oh hey, Hazard~~~, could you add to the list of things that im asking you for, your reads?

[Morthas]

how about some freaking reasoning, all i've seen you accuse me of is gut.

[Morthas]

All of our previous ''reasoning'' could have been countered by ''they are just bad at this game''. Hency why i did not partake in the lynches.
Try thinking a little deeper than ''OBVSCUM'' and ''GUT''

[Morthas]

@Amrun: Already proven that town aligned are also after candy.

[Morthas]

I am not sure what you are trying to say... How does being on the counter wagon mean im scum?
And can someone explain me what does that maths mean? Maybe a little too tired to understand but, eh.
I can see crazypianist as scum very likely.

@Hazard: Could you please answer my questions? If not, I'm going to go all Hail Mary on you and push for the lynch, if i get convinced otherwise i would go Hoppster or Crazy

@Hoppster: I am not sure i am reading your question right, buut maybe i'm too naive but i usually tend to try giving the replacement some breathing space before i go for it, unless i had something very solid beforehand, which i did not. So no, not up for it just yet

[Morthas]

Aaaaaah, i need to stop procrastinating. I'll post a bit later

[Morthas]

OK~~~ I'm even though i started to doubt whenever Hazard is actually scum im going to vote for him
VOTE: Hazard

Hoppsters case on Hazard is very convincing although to most of his accusations if not all you could also apply ''he may be just a bad town player'' and since Hoppster already pushed the lynch for 2 ''bad town players'' i will be voting him if Hazard flips town~. <-- Even though you might think this sounds very stupid because i am taking part of the wagon, what changes Hazard from the other people who i had doubts and not voted is that i had a scumread on him for a while now

[Morthas]

@Morthas: I think you just said, "fuck it, I'm bored and he's probably scum: vote Hazard" <-

Yes XD

Because if you read over you post in more detail, you'll not you decided you're not sure if Hazard is scum, but you do

have

had

a scumread on him. and that you

like Hoppster's case

find it logical

, despite it not convincing you<---

true

and Hoppster probably being scum<---

true

"....

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I do not think he's town, i am doubting my read on Hazard because i see the very believable possibility of him being a bad townie

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Wait, i have a case...?

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Ah btw GJ CP, Maaaan your soo smart, you pointed out something that has already been pointed out, the game is stalling so im putting my vote for who i want lynched.
On another note, of all the people who are talking about LyLo, can one of them tell me WHEN it is going to be? Because from what i can tell we have no information regarding the number of scum there is so we cannot determine when it becomes LyLo. (Maybe that says something about their alignment, maybe not)

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TT: Vote your main suspect ;D

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AAAA, having exams coming up soon so i've been revising D: Going to try my best to post

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@Hoppster: Neither one of those would be suitable buuut if i had to pick one i would go with 2)

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Hey Crazy could you also tell us what else did the pm say? I love the humor inserted to those ;D

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Meaning, please confirm everything we speculated about candy animals.

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I have exams coming up in a week and lasting around a month ;D Not giving up on the game though
I saaaay, since i have a bit of a stronger gut feel about crazy than TS and Stels im going to hammer crazy if needed ;D

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Still here, waiting for Pine's post~

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You already claimed, might as well give us the trivial info aswell because

Flavor like that is hard to fake believably

And Not doing so from the very start (like everyone else did) could give me reason to believe that you are lieing

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Seeing as it's most likely not lylo im going to VOTE: mb53 since it's either him or Zyrc lieing.

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Wait if we presume scum have the ability to steal candy aswell, doesn't having him alive dangerous? (especially since town had a couple of their zoo visitors dieing)
Honestly, i do not believe his claims, im thinking more in line of that he may be a fat kid buuut he is of scum alignment so please hammer away ;D

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Mb lynch ---> Hazard lynch

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Both TT and mb are defending themselves with WIFOM >.>
mb dies today, going to look into TT tomorrow.

Oh, so many things I can say about this. SO many. Did you ever stop to think, maybe I did it on purpose? Perhaps I was reaction fishing?
And it stops stimulating discussion? LOL WHAT DISCUSSION? THIS GAME DOESN"T DISCUSS ANYTHING. If you think its scummy to put a claimed third party on L-1--OR hammer a third party, for that matter, then you need to go to "catching scum 101" class.

Wifom. Unless you breadcrumbed it beforehand so you can stop us from accusing you of actual intent to hammer

Don't think for a second that I don't think YOUR scum. You are still my number one read, and still the constant second preferred person every time this game opens for another day.

OMGUS/Tunelling

The fact that you were probably just WAITING for someone to put a vote down? I'm not rushing a lynch, I've waited for reactions, like I said I would. mb53 gave no last words, and no one else made any input. So, in my opinion, this day is over.

and Pine still needs to comment before that.

Just feel like ending this day before hearing reactions is a bad idea.

Completely contradictory of what you said a few posts later

Now tell me TT, how do yo suppose you would respond to yourself from the POV of another player?

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Why the hell would anyone want to kill you because you are 3rd party?

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How would I react to me if I were another player? What kind of question is that?

I meant it as in from the POV of another player(me) your post(s) are filled with WIFOM, OMGUS/TUnneling, contradictions.

If you think my response to Zyrconium, you haven't read the thread.

Missing a word i think, have no idea what you are on about.

I did wait, mr. scum morthas.

He's been my number one suspect since D1

How much can you possibly contradict yourself (psssst, i'm talking about your vote placement)

I can't tell whether this is sarcasm or not.

I do not see how does a 3rd party may affect my win condition whatsoever (especially one who has claimed not having any abilities that could end a townie life) so why would i want to lynch you because of being 3rd party? (although this is my first game witha 3rd party so i may need to be corrected)

P-Edit: @TT: Read it carefully, i SAID i believe that he is lieing about his alignment. (the bolded part)
P-2nd Edit: @TT: Your shitty quotes make it incredibly hard for me to understand what the hell you are saying, so post again if you want me to comment on something

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UNVOTE:

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I'm happy to make you laugh ;D

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VOTE: mb

Don't see any reason to delay putting my vote back on.

@Pine: The reason i was exceedingly cautious with my vote is because i was doubting the scummyness of TS and Stels. I was ready to hammer crazy except he got hammered before i was needed

@Pine: It was L-3, now it is L-1 you were faar from being the hammer ;p

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From those who claimed to have abilities, may you reveal your actions? (if it creates a disadvantage , don't but explain why)
VERY SURprised about no NK >.<, as pine said if anyone got some clue as a result of his action you may consider telling us

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@vezok: Talk about fluff 0.0

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+1 to mass claim ;D

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Wait, N2 - No Action? You didn't mention anything about not being able to hide every night.

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Wow 3 days already =/
What are the Pros for his lynch? Anyone got anything to say that might stop his lynch?
I think we get confirmation whenever Hazard is confirmed non-scum if we lynch Hoppster, right?

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Huh?

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Why are you telling me what I would do in a given situation?
I am sorry if i am very busy with exams and cannot use time to re read and look for slips and tells .
It doesn't matter to me what you think of my behavior since as town i do not need to pretend.
So wait you are telling me, im not scum nor town?
I don't like hammering before everyone agrees (or atleast the majority does), since i myself am not sure if i want to or not yet. (hence why im asking if anyone has anything to say that might influence me to go for the hammer or not)
If i was a traitor, i would get modkilled right? What does me being still alive still mean?


P-Edit: Finally looked up what the expression ''dragging your feet'' means (English isn't my national language).
I guess? I'm not providing a counter case since im too busy if that's what your asking.

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Ah sorry, i was unfamiliar with that role >.<

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Woooo, can't say i blame him XD

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Auuugh, i want to see the flip before i go sleep D;

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Yeey good game everyone~~, slightly disappointed that Hazard was not infact scum but that was due to my obsession over role speculations on day 1.
Amazing Hammer of boredom wins the day ;D
Hopefully ill play with some of you again sometime ;D

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Do i get to keep my lolipops post game?