Open 293 - Donner Party Mafia, Take Two (Game Over)

[Twistedspoon]

/confirm

[Twistedspoon]

hey guys, glad to meet you all

I've played with DH and TC before, but I'm glad to meet all the rest of you.
Anyways, the first thing that hit a bad chord with me when I was catching up was this

Ha! I forgot there was an sk in this game.

distancing yourself from the SK eh? It looks like MoI has already covered it, but I'm just saying it hit a bad note with me too when I first read it this morning.

lane's looking a potential scum with a potential wagon to me. I can see both town and non-town hopping onto it at some point. However I do believe that some good points were brought up and lane looks rather scummy, especially this early in the game.
First impressions eh?

For crying out loud it's RVs, I thought these were supposed to be fun. Well, whatever.
VOTE: Magna

the scum want you to have fun :/
it distracts you from hunting them

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while i can see moi's points against lane, i think it is more likely that it is because lane is new and that is why his posts sound the way they do.

:/

new to the site maybe
new to mafia we don't know.

I doubt a player new to mafia would jump into a setup like this without any experience or newbie games behind them.

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*thanks drk. i feel you're a real asset to the team, and life would be a bit darker without you* (positivity inserted(thats not what she said))

yeah, that's blatant buddying if i ever saw it

It's seriously not doing you any favours

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@Twisted – 65

shows some suspicions of both DRK and Lane yet you don’t place a vote. Why?

I'll attribute that to my playstyle.

i tend to operate on my own '3 strikes' policy

after 3 scummy things I'll place a vote. I've only counted role distancing from DRK, although lane is getting rather close to a vote from me after that piece of buddying up to DRK

[Twistedspoon]

I am town.

bit early to claim isn't it?

that and flailing and buddying make me feel that I can have some justification in placing my vote at this point in time

VOTE: Lane

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I had my reasons a few pages ago; more than enough to justify a vote then.

anyways, I may unvote if someone's prepared to hammer; It might be slightly too early for that.

It's just that lane's buddying and such make me truly sick. It's just so scummish. It deserves L-2

*thanks drk. i feel you're a real asset to the team, and life would be a bit darker without you

trying to win people over by buddying; not logic is just so scummy. It definately deserves my vote

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I don't buy it myself. It looks very much like backpedalling

in fact, the way she's trying to make us forget it and shrug it off like that is even worse for me.

and only the last part (which i didn't even quote) was related to DRK siggy.

Thus, I still feel really cool, if not better, about L-2 lane

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i'm new, not an idiot.

how dare you play the newbie card as an excuse

If you're using newbie as an excuse then why aren't you in a newbie game?

You just can't come to central park, play super scummy and then just say "oh, well I'n new"
hater is hating >_>

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@Twistedspoon

Do you have

anything

on Lane besides your silly buddying thing?

Also it's L-3. I forgot Friend's unvote.

do you not read my other posts?

anyways, i like some of the other player's cases and my vote looks even more comfortable on L-3 than L-2

I'm going to be looking at the rest of you too, so my vote may change anyways. I'll admit that despite apparent scumminess, much of the game has been lane-centered and there are other candidates for scum too.

basically, as I've said before in something like my 3rd or 2nd post, I'm willing to give people a few chances, and I'll be looking at other people too.
I have placed my vote and developed an opinion for now, and you guys should respect my vote and opinions
thanks

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that's quite cool actually; how do you get to see any player's games? :3

anyways, I'm with andrew in another open game. His playstyle is basically the same in all of his games it seems to me. He can't be scum in all of them can he?

anyways, I have my eye on him

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the thing with scum having daytalk; if andrew was scum then his scumbuddy would have surely told him how to play as town better, no?

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defending :/

I'm cool with your vote, i'm not trying to persuade you to take it off of him. I see the case against andrew, but I'm trying not to tunnel too and see bith sides of the picture, and also how daytalk affects us.

Trust me, I'm waiting for another few posts from him so I can vote with more confidence and without being accused of BW

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When you say you see the case against andrew, what are you referring to?

the arguments of those who have voted him thus far and also his history and ISO (although that's quite short at the moment).
I haven't actually read any of his past games you provided me with, I must admit. I'm just taking your word for it regarding his completed games since you've provided the evidence and that can't be argued with. I'm just too lazy to read it right now :s

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:/

fine, I've read them now

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fast enough

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4 mins was long enough to do a quick ISO of a pst game or 2 and skim them.
I'd already looked at a couple before quickly, and I'm already in a game with him too, so I came to a conclusion in that time.

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Andrew and Twisted have both made huge stretches in their points on me in particularly.

Because of both of their ridiculous claims on me, and i have to choose one.

lol, so you're admitting it's OMGUS then?

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:/
I'm not interested in gaining town cred from andrew's flip (should he flip town). I'll say now that he could be scum, and it looks likely so far.
If anything my read on him is between null and mafia; not town

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why is are the lane voters in red? :/

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but both lane and I are on 4 :/

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consistency twisted. please switch your vote from me to singer for her blatant buddying

:/

no, that would surely be buddying to you then

anyways, you vote her if you don't like her posts; I'm not your voting tool :3

[Twistedspoon]

anyone else think there's a scum on my wagon?

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validation?

verification surely :/

anyways, I still want lane to answer post 196 and 197 when he returns

[Twistedspoon]

Verification?
Are you expecting scum to come out and say "hey, yeah you're right, I AM bussing you."

don't be silly

verification that another player might think there was scum on the wagon.

Twisted, how about you tell us who you think the scum are on your wagon. That way if you do get lynched we have some info.

I have no clue; if i knew who scum were then this'd be over.

however i'd say there's at least 1 scum on my wagon.

lane

[Twistedspoon]

@Twistedspoon: I'm confused about why lane is crossed out in your post. Are you saying that he is the scum on your wagon? Or are you saying there is another one?

it's a joke

[Twistedspoon]

welcome xalxe and chesskid

anyways, lane seems to have been less scummy since her pronoun slips and my vote on her. I don't think she's today's kill
I'm watching friend atm.

also drk is scummy because he said its obvious whether im scum/town when obviously he failed befofre

before?

when was this?
does anyone actually understand this, or is it just me?

[Twistedspoon]

Town: Xalxe, MagnaofIllusion
Scummy Scum Scum: lane#####, Friend, DRK

you included yourself as town

that takes some nerve to say the least

[Twistedspoon]

nvm

i pretty much agree with the rest

thanks for pointing out the deadline though.

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sry, forgot to unvote; thanks for reminding me.
my post makes no sense without them

UNVOTE: lane

VOTE: andrew

see 243 among others

I've an eye on friend though

[Twistedspoon]

basically his ISO

I don't think andrew is scum.

I think lane is definitely town

I still think lane is probably town.

I think lane is town too.

all townreads (which are fine in moderation) and significantly less scumhunting.
Not sure why he feels the need to say lane is town 3 times though, either to say 'I told you so' should lane flip town, or to protect a scumbuddy.

either way I really don't like it. Flailing too was another impression i got from his ISO

and actually, after reading this again, I feel much more confident with a friend vote

VOTE: friend

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And the fact that you forgot to change your vote in the post...

Very well pointed out
i honestly though I had done, my post makes no sense without it
generally, I don't read my posts after making them, so didn't notice until MOI pointed it out.
i think freind is rather scummy
lane has only played better since I voted for her
and I know I changed my vote to friend in >15 mins. If we're going to catch scum, it's no help pointing out the obvious things which players
now they've done. I wouldn't change my vote so quickly and obviously if I didn't have confidence in doing so.
eh. apart from the blatantly obvious and my 'miraculously obvious' topic read, I see no reason why I should be today's lynch over the likes of Friend and Andrew

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Twisted, in your opinion do you believe defending townreads is scummy? Y/N plz.

as early and as many times a s friend did, yes

[Twistedspoon]

answered

[Twistedspoon]

Why is is scummy?

is this to me?

i don't want to be accused of not answering your question again

why is it scummy?

because mafia know who are town even from the start
and there is a thin line between town reads and buddying, the aim of which is to get into people's good books and have their reads favour you in return

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TS was so blind he couldn't get there.

you can talk about me however you want after I'm dead >_>

but for now..

I didn't want to give lane the satisfaction of realising that it was an attack on me.
Did you not realise that? Of course lane was sarcastic; that was obvious.

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So in your mind if you have a really strong townread on someone and people keep attacking them, and they suck at defending themselves


you should just let them die?

no

but if they're scum they shouldn't be able to defend themselves well

and besides, the earliness at which friend declared his town reads many times, it was impossible to have a 'really strong townread' as you put it

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Particularly of note is TS quoting 4 posts where Friend gave town reads to show that Friend is giving too many town reads, even though 3 of them were for the same player!

even worse then

how can you be 3 times as confident so early in the game that someone's town

once is pushing it that early in the game, but 3 times for the same player is just buddying and accomplishes nothing pro-town

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it was so early in the game though, before it was even neccessary

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but you give reasons for your lane reads and such, friend doesn't. It's just him slipping in ways of secretly saying 'I won't lynch you if you don't lynch me'
and actually, you're far from as bad as friend. Friend practically sheeps and hides behind you.

Pretty sure lane is [town]

I think lane is town too.

you were the first one to speak out against the lane wagon. Friend then decided to copy and sheep you without saying why, however you did, and before him

you're not today's lynch. Friend is.

[Twistedspoon]

lol vig^^^

I don't see why you think Drk is vig :/
And why ask if he likes cupcakes anyways?
Moreover, if Xalxe is an alt, he should reveal his host

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Would it be completely out of line for me to suggest that andrew and drk are scum buddies?

course not.

Actually far from it; you are using the town's greatest weapon, your opinions.

don't expect mercy from them though. :/

personally, i think a rehearsed bus would be quite easy in this game, especially considering scum have daytalk.

however, Friend is today's lynch. They cannot overshadow him. Also

I think xalxe said something about drk not giving reads on his suspects. Maybe thats because he is scum and doesnt have reads.

That might be pushing it slightly this early. Scum like to give reads. Town reads to buddy and scum reads to mislead town. No reads is just odd town or bad scum. Neither of which i'd expect from a player like drk

can i get some response from some professionals?

....
ah well, hope my opinion wasn't completely wasted

[Twistedspoon]

yeah, only noticed that at the end

thanks for reminding me though ¬_¬

[Twistedspoon]

doesn't hurt to have my outlook too though

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One of Romanus and Twisted is definitely scum.

from my Pov this is highly unlikely and I'll tell you why

I know I'm town (and you will when i flip), so that rules me out, and therefore, if Romanus was scum, he'd have hammered me to kill a townie. He'd surely find justification since 6 others are on my wagon.

That's where i think you'll find scum.

If Romanus is scum, he's doing it wrong, big style

anyways, how did you reach that infallible conclusion?

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If andrew and I were actually buddies and I went and intentionally got him lynched day 1, it would make me look town, which would just make the serial killer want to kill me.

this is a good point actually

i had forgotten about the SK :/

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two people pushing the same ridiculous logic is usually 1 town 1 scum

and the friend wagon is ridiculous why?

also lolhammering town is not a good thing as scum. Lot of questions to answer the next day.

It could easily be explained. After all there's enough suspicion on me

@mod: if the mafia and the vig doubletap the SK, who gets credit for the kill? (i.e. knows it was the sk

both i believe

although the SK has first-shots immunity anyways :/

[Twistedspoon]

You are a

Cannibal Serial Killer

.

One-shot Night-kill Immunity:

The first night you are targetted for a night-kill (even if you're targetted more than once), you will not die.

You are not notified that this has occurred.

so yeah, that answers your question

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the logic is ridiculous
defending townread is scumscumscumlololololol

and you're sorta defending friend now

anyways, as often, as early and when unbalanced by an equal amount of scumreads.
That's the scummy part

Friend is today's lynch

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If friend is today's lynch as you keep saying, why are YOU at L-1 and not HIM?

LOL OWNED

they haven't caught up yet or are waiting for a friend response.
Serisouly, where is he and everyone else?

anyways, why did you want to know more about the mafia/vig Sk attack mechanics?

surely you'd only want to or need to know if you were the vig, SK or mafioso?

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they haven't caught up yet or are waiting for a friend response.

I can't tell if you're serious about this. Please clarify?

well Since my recent posts, many players such as Tclaw and Singer haven't posted

so they're either lurking, haven't caught up or V/LA(as in singer's case)

Did you seriously just point out what you perceive to be an above-average chance of someone being vig? >.< Why is ANYONE against this lynch?!?!?!

No, It's an above average chance of someone being SK or mafia.
They're 3 times more likely to be that than vig, so why focus on that?

anyways, I still want chess to answer the question

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you absolute fools

I am the vig

but no, you had to ruin my plan to trap scum

I wouldn't have set up that trap if I wasn't sure he wasn't vig

what sort of fool do you take me for >_>

but hey, you've ruined the plan now, so i might as well claim; I'm on L-1 anyways

I'v breadcrumbed twice

And the fact that you forgot to change your vote in the post...

V

ery well pointed out

i

honestly though I had done, my post makes no sense without it

g

enerally, I don't read my posts after making them, so didn't notice until MOI pointed it out.

i

think freind is rather scummy

l

ane has only played better since I voted for her

a

nd I know I changed my vote to friend in >15 mins. If we're going to catch scum, it's no help pointing out the obvious things which players

n

ow they've done. I wouldn't change my vote so quickly and obviously if I didn't have confidence in doing so.

e

h. apart from the blatantly obvious and my 'miraculously obvious' topic read, I see no reason why I should be today's lynch over the likes of Friend and Andrew

lol vig^^^

I

don't see why you think Drk is vig :/

A

nd why ask if he likes cupcakes anyways?

M

oreover, if Xalxe is an alt, he should reveal his host

And after that you guys mess up my plan to catch scum >_>

whatever; I'm vig'ing Chess tonight anyways unless friend somehow lives

you can blame yourselves,

assuming I'm stupid enough to out our vig

. Even I'm not that daft, and now you've let a possible scum slip away

Actually, I might vig Tclawren for ignoring the part where I refuted his reasoning for his vote on me and then just popping in to point out how stupid he thinks I am

honestly, town needs to notice breadcrumbs and stop assuming things >_>

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DayVig: Tclawren

any post-game thoughts compadré?

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I still want chess to answer my question though.

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eh, I'll just nightvig you then; you're flailing

and I can blame you for assuming I was outing the vig and ruining my plan; even I'm not mad enough to do that

besides, I was going to have to claim sooner or later, L-1 is dangerous, like chess said

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yeah, course, like I say you guys have low standards of what I do know

It was a chance to make a confirmed townie; I have no daykill

If he'd have believed I had dayvig and said
'oh well I'm dead. I wish the town best of luck' or something along those lines, he'd have become a confirmed townie.

See mini 1130. I become a confirmed townie in that because a player tricked me into thinking I was dead. I then posted my post-game thoughts and I became a confirmed townie

If Tclaw was mafia he certainly missed a trick there.

anyways, thanks for not ruining my second gambit DRK

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erm.
firstly, the supposed 'breadcrumbs' are made after you were at L1 for ages? in fact, they were made yesterday. so yea, anyone can do that.
i am even do this now
violet
indigo
green

am i the vig? i dont think so
td:dr: no cc'ing.

anyone could make a breadcrumb from day 1, page 1

why does it matter when they were made?

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I CHOSE TO IGNORE YOUR "DEBUNKING" BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT MY VOTE ONCE, WHICH IS IN YOUR BREADCRUMB. THE LOGIC DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN THAT POST.

I still made sure my logic made sense, hence why my breadcrumb has 'vigilante' spelt wrong

I compromised breadcrumbing for logic

I would never make a post without logic. Like I say, I'm not that daft
That way It'd be an obvious breadcrumb and mafia would know the vig

you haven't thought this through at all have you?

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and I still want chess to answer my question, despite it's entire point being moot now

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So, my being pissed at you makes me scum? Please enlighten me how that makes any sense at all.

no, You're only my 3rd weakest townread

I just don't like how you appeared to vote me

dissappered when I tried to discuss your vote

and then re-appered to sheep DRk's outing of my gambit and certain demise had I not claimed

I'm still on friend because I believe him to be scum

I can always Vig chesskid if I want, but it would be unfair to decide on my vig kill now, before the flip and chess answers my question

satisfied? can you see things from my PoV at least?

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I'd have pressed further had he done so, but now it's irrelevant since he's too clever for his own good.

I perhaps should have chosen chesskid, he evidently didn't read all of the rules

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although he wouldn't have had a chance to reply before my gambit was outed by the next wannabe VI :/

[Twistedspoon]

You're the vig, just pop them in the night.

>_>

That was my plan

but after you guys made me seem so scummy with your assumpitons that I didn't know what I was doing, I had no choice but to claim to prevent a vig lynch

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The good new is that at least the dietician will pick up certain Sk or mafia now that I've claimed vig =D

[Twistedspoon]

pls stfu twisted

and what have I done now aside from explain everything?

i suggest the roleblocker roleblock twisted.

and what do the town think of this

and yes, you can vig me,

This too

[Twistedspoon]

because your logic is crap and anti town

...
coming from you that is truly cold

also you gonna die night 1 since there aint any doctors.

eh

better than letting a lynch happen when i know a townie will die (myself). At least this way we might get scum with the lynch and vig kill

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Do you believe that frustration in the form of typing is indicative of flailing, or is it his argument?

I guess his typing, but that's understandable from his PoV

i don't think I'll be vig'ing Tclaw

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LIGHTBULB

Also, Twisted should decide who he's vigging before the end of the day. If he decides to vig someone and he dies but his target doesn't, we'll know who the sk is.

why don't town vote on who I vig so that my claim isn't in vain?

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nonono

you're supposed to vote friend

Romanus is almost definitely townie in my eyes since he didn't hammer me (and I'm town as you now know)

[Twistedspoon]

SO THE 7 PEOPLE WHO WERE OFF YOUR WAGON AND DIDNT HAMMER YOU
ARE ALL TOWN?

you mean the 6

remember there are only 12 players. 12-6
maths and such

anyways, one of them is me, and the rest are fair town reads of mine such as DH, MOI and Romanus
so it's possible

anyways, I think scum are more likely to have been on my wagon

basically, If i were him and scum I would have hammered since there's so many reasons why hammering me is justifiable

anyways, If that didn't make sense then my excuse is that It's 23:30 and rather late. I should really be in bed :s

[Twistedspoon]

SO THE 6 PEOPLE WHO WERE OFF YOUR WAGON AND DIDNT HAMMER YOU

FTFY
"USE YOUR HEAD" as you would say

[Twistedspoon]

SCUM DONT FRICKING AUTOHAMMER PEOPLE WHO ARE AT L-1

they could easily explain it. There are many reasons to hammer me, and someone has to do it

anyways, you'll see should Romanus flip town

[Twistedspoon]

alright I'll trust you

I really don't have any more to say on the subject of Romanus

but I still think friend...

[Twistedspoon]

there would be no reason to RB me if we vote on who you want me to nightkill

that way my claim isn't in vain; It's like we get an extra lynch

[Twistedspoon]

why do you think friend is town?

[Twistedspoon]

i dont want to be unacceptable in chess's eyes by not having my vote somewhere.

If you're hoping to get on chess's good side then it makes no sense to vote him

[Twistedspoon]

nyeh

need i remind you that our deadline is in 2 days

If friend doesn't post between now and then then he's not going to be doing himself any favours

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: Xalxe

friend's lack of flailing doesn't indicate scum

and Xalxe is purposefully not posting in this topic
I prefer his lynch

[Twistedspoon]

I'm not interested in a lane lynch
and friend doesn't seem that appealing anymore :/

ah well
still, if he's scum it's worth it

[Twistedspoon]

if lane flips town that casts suspicion on certain players...

[Twistedspoon]

still

i think friend and lane may flip town

and I object to any unnecessary pre-deadline pressure.
If lane is either the Roleblocker or dietician, we don't want her to claim too. 2 PR reveals this early helps no-one

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VOTE: andrew

this is the one if we can't do xalxe

[Twistedspoon]

and the friend wagon isn't

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anyawys, I could see scum claim town PR to become unlynchable

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: xalxe

[Twistedspoon]

Keep Cassandraing it up my friend … keeping Cassandraing it up.

what does that term mean?

[Twistedspoon]

I am the Dietitian.

If you're the dietician you could at least spell it right

[Twistedspoon]

UNVOTE: xalxe

VOTE: singersinger

for not unvoting on the claimed vig

[Twistedspoon]

If you claimed vig after page 14, then I don't understand your concern especially since I'm not the only one voting you and the one who is was around to see your claim.

'twas after page 14

yeah, friend didn't unvote either, but he only posted like 2 lines anyways :/

[Twistedspoon]

I didn't target xaxle

I targeted singersinger after careful consideration

I now believe she is the SK since she didn't die

I don't think I was RB'd. why RB a claimed vig?

VOTE: singersinger

[Twistedspoon]

it's obvious that the SK and mafia both targeted xalxe with the hope that the other would target me

I targeted singersinger, and it looks like I made the right choice.

[Twistedspoon]

btw, you guys shouldn't have ended d1 before I posted who I was going to vig
I mean what would've happened if I was NK'd? Then you'd never know who might be the SK

anyways, carry on with the SK voting

[Twistedspoon]

I might actually just not vote her at all and let you guys lynch her. You guys don't mind, right? >_>

no, we do mind

I have noting against singer either, but all of the evidence points towards her being the SK

[Twistedspoon]

@twisted: We ran out of time. The mod ended the day early.

fair enough then.
before we hammer singer today, I'll try and narrow down my possibe vig victims to 1-3 people

before I sent my request to vig singer I actually sent one to the mod asking for another player to receive my vig kill. However I changed my mind and I resent singersinger as my target. Looks a good choice since she must be the SK

I'd rather that there isn't another claimed PR who dies.

This

[Twistedspoon]

I'll wait to lay down the hammer until you guys are ready. But this seems like an easy call.

it takes 6 to lynch

we're on 4 :/

[Twistedspoon]

If I were you, I'd shoot DH tonight >_>

why might that be?

[Twistedspoon]

Actually, DH was the target i sent to be vig-killed before i changed my mind and sent singer

but i guess that doesn't matter now :/

[Twistedspoon]

moar singer votes

[Twistedspoon]

Before anyone does anything rash (like try to end the day within 24 hours ):
TwistedSpoon, you submitted two different kills last night. I'd like confirmation that it was mod-confirmed that you had a no-result of some sort on the kill you submitted on me as opposed to the kill you submitted on DemonHybrid. That will clarify some of my questions/suspicions at least.

>_>

i sent a request to kill DH as soon as the night phase started. With plenty of time left I sent the mod a request to change my mind and kill singer.
He replied back saying that was okay and Singer would be my target

My original DH targeting is irrelevant. I regret even mentioning it if you're going to somehow use that as an excuse

[Twistedspoon]

Yes I'm the SK.

haha

I'm taking this as a personal success

vig DRK/DH tonight. haven't decided yet.

you guys owe me one

hammer when you feel like it

[Twistedspoon]

see you town

you guys gotta win this for me

my life is in the hands of a successful roleblock or a gambling mafia

~TS

P.S. I actually just realised that now that the SK is gone I don't need to declare my NK target before hand. Especially since I'll probably die tonight, and if not I can say who I killed

I'm leaning friend/DH/DRK, but singers case on magna seems interesting, although I'm not sure I fully understand it

[Twistedspoon]

imo, it's just chesskid's playstle :/

[Twistedspoon]

oh, and unless I target a mafioso who targets myself, you guys won't get a flip after the night phase

I'd like to kill mafia and put an end to their daytalk.

Any suspicions of players who you think might have suddenly changed at one point due to daytalk strategy?

[Twistedspoon]

Given that DRK was the number one driving force behind wagonning someone other than Friend (who had claimed VT already) or Lane (who had been in jeopardy due to his play) and the result was Xalxe’s being outed and killed I think DRK would be a great choice.

glad I have your approval

what do you think of friend though? is he really VT?

[Twistedspoon]

I'm not killing DH

I had my chance to do that and I reconsidered
DRK>DH

[Twistedspoon]

post a case on DH and we'll see

I want opinions on friend though too. He was very nearly yesterday's lynch

[Twistedspoon]

My gut has hellishly good accuracy

you lynched lane :/

and we know he was town

[Twistedspoon]

town opinion on this?

[Twistedspoon]

singer is today's lynch; no question

why didn't you vote her before?

[Twistedspoon]

but it's just so odd

why not vote the confirmed threat to your win condition?

[Twistedspoon]

@DRK: but

I spent the whole night phase trying to find the SK or mafia, A job which I was successful in doing

and then you don't vote them
rather annoying

[Twistedspoon]

TwistedSpoon, what about my play did you deem was SK or Mafia worthy?

I'd like to answer this question at the endgame

I'm fine with delaying the lynch if it means pro-town discussion

[Twistedspoon]

look, I'm not killing
DH

i had my chance to do so, and I thought better of it
that ship has sailed

If you guys want him dead, then lynch him day 3, but I'm not shooting him

[Twistedspoon]

I have a target in mind so hammer when you feel like it

good bye town, You'd better win this for me

Don't let my SK find be for nothing

[Twistedspoon]

MoI, who are your top 3 scumreads?

[Twistedspoon]

we'll give her a target, she'll kill them

no

SK ia today's lynch

things could go horribly wrong if we let her live


hammer her now and stop this madness. I already have my target and I'm not changing it

[Twistedspoon]

I'm not shooting singer again, so you might as well lynch her today to prevent any more damage being done.

I have my target and I'm not shooting singer again
She's for the lynch

[Twistedspoon]

My target wasn't going to be DRK. oh well.

anyways, Singer has to be lynched today. I don't want an extra townie dying and the SK still alive

[Twistedspoon]

and where exactly did andrew94 go?
>_>

[Twistedspoon]

:[

SS is an anti-town role

She has no motivation to obey town
We have motivation to lynch her

such should be done

[Twistedspoon]

well there aren't any loopholes this time

either town win or the SK does. simple

Sure, you have not reason to mess everything up since you can't win anyways, but I don't see why you'd want to help us townies

[Twistedspoon]

Lynch SS
TS shoots Romanus or whoever he thinks is scum
Mafia kills whoever they target
DRK blocks whoever he thinks is scum.

this and I've said it before, but there's no way I'm vig'ing DH or singer tonight. Lynch him day3 when I'm dead if you want to.

@Mod: friend and Romanus prods please

[Twistedspoon]

welcome ani

remember to vote the SK that your vig skillfully identified

[Twistedspoon]

well we've had 4 claims :/

vig, dietician, SK and roleblocker

as well as a couple of VT ones from friend and DH

[Twistedspoon]

can we lynch SS now?

[Twistedspoon]

ani is scum

why?

[Twistedspoon]

why is it like a scumclaim?

it looks to me like he was catching up

[Twistedspoon]

._.

[Twistedspoon]

singer lynch now?

[Twistedspoon]

post 720

now, I want your thoughts on today's lynch and also your reads

[Twistedspoon]

YES

TCLWREN WAS SCUM

I AM THE BEST VIG EVER

[Twistedspoon]

I killed the SK and scum

I should be vig more often

you can all thank me

[Twistedspoon]

so you RB'd the Jakalope?

VOTE: Jackalope

and in the words of chesskid:

Checkmate

[Twistedspoon]

soyeahIkilledtclawrenwhowasscumI'mawesomeright?

[Twistedspoon]

oh, and nice roleblock

DRK

[Twistedspoon]

could be that he claims Dietician

We never new what Xalxe was right?

[Twistedspoon]

I was never going to kill you DRK :3

But It's still good that you claimed, or otherwise we'd have a hard time believing you today

So yeah, my first ever mafia win

[Twistedspoon]

but it's obvious he's scum if you RB'd him

why else would no kill occur?

Even Tclawren could have still killed

[Twistedspoon]

yeah, so i guess chesskid was wrong about Romanus and DH then :s

[Twistedspoon]

what the-

so you RB'd Tclawren?

seriously?

Then who is the other scum?

[Twistedspoon]

even so 1 scum against 7 townies is simple

[Twistedspoon]

I decided based on the first two pages that the scum were tcl and dmsis (now ani),

ani replaced romanus

chesskid replaced dmsis

[Twistedspoon]

thus you might need to change your vote

also, wasn't jakalope friend? How scummy was he :p

[Twistedspoon]

oh rite

is there a guaranteed way we can win this if we strategically use our Roleblock and Vig kill?

[Twistedspoon]

I can't see a scum role replacing out twice

usually players enjoy playing as scum much more than VT

thus, i find it hard to see ani as scum

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: ani

I trust DRK

also, my replacing reasoning is kinds poor, I'll admit

I think it would be a good idea to get rid of DH (the roleblocker did block him)

well DH is town


If ani flips town, day 4 lynch is 100% chesskid

[Twistedspoon]

And I will switch my vote from Shotty because he will answer soon and the pressure that was on him has now dissipated.

UNVOTE: Shotty

VOTE: Andrew

poor reason to vote switch

For crying out loud it's RVs, I thought these were supposed to be fun. Well, whatever.
VOTE: Magna

Early bus?

[Twistedspoon]

protecting friend?

Chesskid
Jakalope
Ani

One is scum

[Twistedspoon]

no

some mafia are often unprepared and don't know what to discuss

If i were mafia I wouldn't know how to discuss PRs and such

also, don't mafia have daytalk?

and i doubt tclawren would discuss PR targeting anyways.

take those townie points back

[Twistedspoon]

fine

but they wouldn't have discussed PRs pre-game

oh, you're talking about jakalope, not friend :/

so where's the evidence that

Jakalope seemed to have no idea what was going on. Town points for that.

and also, what's to say jakalop couldn't feign a VT when he replaced in?

[Twistedspoon]

tclawren protected friend and shotty

one of them is scum

[Twistedspoon]

Hey everyone, planning to make a more detailed post soon. I need to read through 33 Pages first.

@mod

: Can I get a current vote count?

pssh

even scum would have to read 33 pages

and anyone who replaced in would be bound to have no clue

but yeah, I'm bored of this argument

I don't think jakalope is today's lynch

andrew
chesskid
Ani

one of them is scum

[Twistedspoon]

why vote DH? he's town enough

[Twistedspoon]

2) twistedspoon, stop boosting your ego with 'im so pro vig' shit like this happens often. its distracting.

nope

I have every right to feel a sense of accomplishment

[Twistedspoon]

<3 drk

[Twistedspoon]

i must say that tclawren tasted great

chesskid and ani look succulent too

i shall feast tonight

[Twistedspoon]

what's your thoughts on magna, ani?

[Twistedspoon]

DRK RBd tclawren hence no kill. that's right isn't it DRK?

I vig'd Tclawren hence he died

since Tclawren submitted the kill it means he must have been the least suspicious of the mafia pairing as he would have been less likely to be RB'd. I guess this rules out Magna and other top town reads from being scum.

[Twistedspoon]

nope

shame this game has to end so soon
I was enjoying the flavour

[Twistedspoon]

magna = town

he's seen as so pro-town he would have sent all the kills. Why let Tclawren sent them?

Thus magna is our townie

[Twistedspoon]

I did have tclawrena as a weak townread though

eh good thing you're not the vig then

anyways, kill ani today

I'll vig chesskid

and you can RB DH

sound like a plan?

[Twistedspoon]

I'd like to live, thanks.

you have to live if scum

but you don't have to as town

[Twistedspoon]

If we're going to start planning night actions out, we should plan them out to vig/lynch the weaker players and roleblock the stronger players. Players that get roleblocked during a night in which there is a kill are clear and we'll want any confirmeds we get to be strong players.

RBing isn't fool proof

the real scum could NK on a night when they don't think they'll be targeted to incriminate a townie

[Twistedspoon]

Scum can't no kill. Let's say we lynch ani today and he's town, you kill a townie, and I roleblock a townie. Scum no kill. That brings it down to 6 players. We lynch the framed townie, bringing it down to 5 players, with me and you confirmed. I roleblock an unconfirmed, you vig an unconfirmed. One of us gets killed (you, presumably). That brings it down to 3p...one of which is me and one of which is the townie I just confirmed. gg If scum skip a second kill, that brings us into 4p with me, you, the townie I just "cleared", and another unconfirmed. I block one unconfirmed, you kill the other, gg.

that makes sense

so have we won then?

If so you won't mind (nor will you chess) If i vig chesskid tonight eh?

[Twistedspoon]

So much for perfect vig then eh?

no, that's exactly it

I'm viging you tonight instead of lynching you today to become the perfect vig

[Twistedspoon]

can we lynch Andrew today then?

FTFY

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: Andrew

If you want a reason other than DRK's plan, I'll tell you that his play in masons and monks (where he was scum) is very similar to his play this game

[Twistedspoon]

why the hell would we lynch andrew?

same for DH

and he's a lylo hazard anyways

[Twistedspoon]

what, for saying MoI is town?

you shall see, my fine feathered friend

[Twistedspoon]

eh

I hate it when my alignment means I have to eat a player that I have no problems with other than his role

but you do look tasty

[Twistedspoon]

I would rather have him around in an important potential late-game situation as confirmed town than....some of our other options.

and singersinger was a very good, clever player to have in LyLo situations too

but that didn't stop her having a scum role

[Twistedspoon]

i feel safer just vig'ing him tbh

[Twistedspoon]

I mean, we can have DH as the confirmed player instead if you want. The best use of our roleblock right now is to block a player we don't agree on as town that would be an asset if he turns out to be town. Don't lose sight of that.

fine, RB jackalope or DH. They'd be a great confirmed townie to have

They're logical enough

because chesskid has a silver tongue and can talk his way out of being rbed on a night there is no kill yes

you probably could talk your way out of it somehow
why fear death but not a roleblock chesskid? because you can't talk your way out of it once your dead

[Twistedspoon]

Andrew is town on the basis that he was voted for by Tclaw?

He said lane was town though and she was :/

anyways, I think Andrew is town because theres only one scum left and he's far from the tastiest to be my meal tonight. My vote is on him just to get me to the night phase where I can get my next meal

so DRK. You know my top scum read, who is yours? We could lynch them today instead

[Twistedspoon]

lynch DH
vig ani
RB chesskid

so you admit you're suspicious enough to merit a RB?

but yeah, I'm not seeing the DH thing.

DH is good to have in Lylo. He should be RB'd to see if he's town.
ani can be lynched today; it doesn't matter really.
and I can have a nice meal tonight

[Twistedspoon]

really sorry about this mate. Please don't blame me for this, but a town win for us is all that matters

VOTE: ani

continue

[Twistedspoon]

Uh no I want to be cleared.

based on DH's reads, I dont want him as the deciding person at lylo

why, because he suspects you?

[Twistedspoon]

right, I'm going to ask the mod a question

[Twistedspoon]

fine, i'll comply with you, DRK; but if we lose this game to chesskid scum then...

[Twistedspoon]

uh no
becuase his suspects have all been town
every single
fucking
one
of
them

This is so wrong

He was probably the most in favour of a singer kill; hardly town

[Twistedspoon]

uh no
becuase his suspects have all been town
every single
fucking
one
of
them
he
had
4
i have 2 and they're both alive

let me also point out that our biggest suspect used to be me before you knew i was vig, and I'm confirmed town so yeah, you can't say you've never had a town suspect

[Twistedspoon]

I've unnoficially been lynched and flipped vig if you want to put it that way

[Twistedspoon]

Chesskid proposed letting the SK live, no? Scum would like that since the SK would most likely kill town and can be disposed of by the lynch when the SK becomes a threat to the mafia.

I'm encouraged by the fact that magna suspects chess too

[Twistedspoon]

if you were mafia right now in your position, chess what would you do?

give up or continue in the hope that there's a hiccup or slip in the plan that gives you some hope?

[Twistedspoon]

whatever, I've said I'll comply

I'll vig someone else tonight and DRk will RB chesskid

if there is no kill we either lynch chesskid or I vig him the next night

If chesskid flips scum, I'm counting that as 3/3 correct vigs because I would have killed him anyways had I not wanted to repay a favour to DRK

so yeah, and I get to say 'I told you so' to DRK if chess flips scum

and if there is a kill when DRK RBs chesskid, he's town, as long as DRK doesn't submit the wrong RB target :/

[Twistedspoon]

happy now DRK & Chess

[Twistedspoon]

Happy is a bit of a strong word

I'd be happy if i was 95% definitely going to win this game

[Twistedspoon]

so we know our RB for tonight.

any preference who I vig tonight? I'm sure they'll all flip town

[Twistedspoon]

you guys are so mean making me have to kill someone as awesome as DH

but yeah, I'll do it for you two :3

DH doesn't look tasty at all though

[Twistedspoon]

Lynch ani (sorry mate :'( )
vig DH
RB Chess

correct?

and you will certainly be lynching chesskid if the DH kill is the only one N3, yes? Don't let him try to crawl out of it :p

[Twistedspoon]

yah, but if there is no NK other than mine, then scum chesskid would say that it was a scum gambit in letting him live to incriminate a townie

That would be his only defence

so, I don't want him no to be lynched if he tries that excuse

[Twistedspoon]

Also, i can tell you that Tclawren did not target Xalxe night 1

that means either

1) The scum chose to no kill (unlikely)
2) DH targeted Xalxe but was RB'd, so only singer targeted Xalxe
3) Tclawren's scum buddy Targeted Xalxe

more soon

[Twistedspoon]

vote:chesskid

Explain.

I'm not seeing your idea getting enough traction here Chess. I do think you've solidified yourself as town in my eyes though.

I just love these posts that show scum defending chesskid

[Twistedspoon]

I've just seen DH post in the queue so I'm hoping to hear from him soon, especially now before he's dead as DRk and chess wants him to be :/

[Twistedspoon]

@TS
Looks a lot more like scum defending town than scum defending scum to me vOv

How can you tell the difference?

They're both defending, yes?

and It's not like Tclaw gives a reason to Chess's townieness

[Twistedspoon]

thanks DH <3

I really wish i didn't have to eat you now

actually, Do i still have to do it? He's just so nice :3

[Twistedspoon]

any reason why we hardly let ani or the jakalope post today?

[Twistedspoon]

can't we just have DH as confirmed town too?

He's less scummy than others I could vig :p

[Twistedspoon]

Technically, you're fine as long as you don't eat chesskid.

so cruel

why eat shrimp over lobster

[Twistedspoon]

and sorry ani

I apologise for this lynch.

I hope our next game is much more fun and memorable