Newbie 1081: Showdown in Newbtown (Game Over, Mafia win)

[Fatso]

WOOHOO! The thread is unlocked!
Anyways, I don't like RVS very much, so I'm not voting until I see an actual scummy post.

[Fatso]

1. What's your Mafia experience?
2. What's your favorite band?
3. What role/alignment do you prefer?
4. Do you find it harder finding scum, or convincing other people that you've found scum (the latter assuming you correctly identified someone as scum)?

1. One game here, 40+ in the real world.
2. Beatles. Definitely.
3. Scum or PR. VT is a bit boring at night.
4. Definitely the latter of the two.

[Fatso]

Vote: Fatso

For being unwilling to participate (much) in RVS and then merely being reactive. Scumtell IMO.

What do you mean "merely reactive?"

[Fatso]

*Sigh* If you insist:

Vote: alnkpa

for being the only person (I think) who has neither posted or been voted for.

[Fatso]

Never mind. I didn't see your post.

[Fatso]

Me? In what way am I backing off? I really don't see it. Was just asking about RVS, as it seems to be a common factor in a game.

Um, he was talking to me.
Anyways, my opinion wasn't "I totally hate RVS and I'm never voting in it. EVER." It was "I don't like RVS that much, so I'm not going to vote right off the bat, but if it's really that important to you, I guess I will."

[Fatso]

Wonderful... A bandwagon on my butt because I said I didn't like RVS, was pushed to vote, and voted...

Hey, I just found one! Startransmission said why.

What are you referring to?

Unvote
Vote: lynchking

Please provide reasoning as to your voting for me.

[Fatso]

And Zdenek, you do realize you put me at L-2 over a disagreement in how the game should be played.

[Fatso]

Well, I've learned a lesson here. Never say anything bad about RVS.

[Fatso]

No, I don't agree with you, but if randomly voting for someone is what it takes to keep you people from mis-lynching me, I'm willing to do it.

Really, it didn't read as either of those to me. I read it as "I'm not going to put in any valuable input until people address me or are addressed by others."

I just don't see how swinging a loaded gun around is "valuable input."

and thus far he's only made one attempt at scumhunting

And how many attempts have others made?

[Fatso]

Unvote

for now. I'm satisfied with lynchking's response.
The only person I'm overtly suspicious of now is you, Bulvious. I don't really understand why you're making such a big deal out of me not liking RVS, and then not liking the fact that I voted when it was practically requested I do so. I have to say, you do seem more super-actively-scumhunting-towny than anything else (from my experience).

[Fatso]

Wha...? What do you mean? I wasn't saying that was a bad thing.

[Fatso]

No, I put you at L-2 because your first post failed to move the game forward, and when you were called out on it, you gave up your previous stance and voted.

Let me get this straight: I said I didn't really want to RV, everyone wanted me to RV, I RVed, and now you're voting for me. Is that basically it? I never said I wouldn't RV if someone requested I do so, and yet that's what I'm being prosecuted for.

One quick thing. This is really a matter of opinion, but I really feel the OMGUS vote is far scummier than the folding in to the RVS pressure.

(This is referring to me, right?) How was my second vote OMGUS in ANY WAY?

[Fatso]

Vote: sarahfish89

Content please. You too h3llo.

[Fatso]

A few things wrong with this. When you say "Overly suspcious" do you mean you're merely suspicious of me? Or are you admitting to doubting my town-ness without significant reason?
Basically, Fat, in the future it'd be a good idea to be able to back up anything you say in this game. If you can't, and or give in just because of pressure - then you appear to be scummy. People who are lying tend to be more defensive about it than someone who is telling the truth. Liars in this game tend to be scum

I didn't even say "overly," I said "overTly" (I've seen a couple of things with a couple people that I would consider suspicious (none that are worth mentioning) but you're the only one that I was like (in my head) "he's suspicious..."). And what I meant by that post, is that I tend to be wrongly suspicious of people who are "super-actively-scumhunting-townies" (I think that's how I put it..). I don't know why it is, but I just tend to be that way.

[Fatso]

Unvote

[Fatso]

Your vote on lynchking seemed to be a direct response to his vote on you. That's OMGUS. Not necessarily scummy, but I find it more egregious than your folding to the RVS pressure.

Three people voted for me, and I voted back on the only one who didn't give some reasoning as to why. Not that it matters any more, but really, really, far from OMGUS.

[Fatso]

^Yeah, I'd agree, personally.
The reason I'm posting so much is that, well, I don't really have anything to do at the moment.

[Fatso]

Ok BS, now you need some content.

Vote: BS

[Fatso]

Unvote

[Fatso]

Zdenek - Slightly random RVS vote

How can you

not

have a random RVS vote?

[Fatso]

I'd kind of agree with that. She also defended me to some extent, which while not

necessarily

a scumtell does make me suspicious... In my last game the only people who ever directly defended anyone else (not each other, just townies) were the scum.

[Fatso]

I'd kind of agree with that. She also defended me to some extent, which while not

necessarily

a scumtell does make me suspicious... In my last game the only people who ever directly defended anyone else (not each other, just townies) were the scum.

While I was defending you, it was because I thought not liking RVS isn't a good enough reason to vote somebody and it's mainly townies that have done this, I was just basing this off my previous experience.

Um, Bulvious and my posts weren't even in reference to you there...

[Fatso]

Vote: lynchking

, more posts/thoughts please.

I'm not liking this. You look like you are imitating Bulvious/Fatso simply to look town.

Unvote, Vote sarahfish89

Imitating? Maybe. Is that scummy? Not really. People imitate what they see others doing all the time, it's questionable as to whether or not she was even imitating.

[Fatso]

Sorry for the multi-posting people, but I think this is necessary:

Vote: lynchking

You've been inactive for almost three days now, and I just looked back and realized (how the hell did I miss this before??) that you practically proposed the town quick lynch me, something I never like (especially if it's me, but, you know, anyone else too ).

[Fatso]

There really isn't much reasoning to my vote for you. I think RVS is as good as any strategy right now with the little amount of information we have to go on. However, my vote wasn't random because I felt you should of held your ground and not waiver when confronted. Again, not much to go on, so hopefully this will yield some info next day.

Notice the part about

next day

. He's assuming I'm going to be lynched (probably).

[Fatso]

Perhaps, yes (and I was able to understand your crazy thoughts). But there's still the bit about him being inactive for nearly three days. I think he's a good vote right now.

[Fatso]

Oh, wow, we haven't had a vote count in a while. I just realized that my vote puts him at L-2.

[Fatso]

Fatso - 1 (lynchking, Fatso)

Um, I'm

pretty

sure I didn't self vote. Cause, you know, that would be weird...

[Fatso]

By the way, does anyone know what the point of setup no.1 would be? The RB can't do a darn thing.

[Fatso]

The mafia is at a HUGE disadvantage then, aren't they?

[Fatso]

Mod, has lynchking been prodded? It's been like four days...

[Fatso]

Imitating? Maybe. Is that scummy? Not really. People imitate what they see others doing all the time, it's questionable as to whether or not she was even imitating.

I disagree. Imitating is scummy. Scum have to try to pretend to act like town, and what better way than to mimic townies. Needless to say, Sarah is not looking good in my eyes at the moment.

I can see that, yes imitating is scummy because it's an easy way to make your self look townie. (I have read up about the game) I didn't know I was imitating them though

Ok, maybe I spoke too soon here. Imitating can be scummy, but in this case (if it was even imitating, which I doubt) it wasn't really IMO. For instance, in my last game just about everyone was making lists that they would post going from who they considered the towniest person in the game to the scummiest. Imitating is scummy if it has to do with an actual opinion, but imitating techniques for posting and (in this case) getting others to talk isn't.

[Fatso]

Additionally, Fatso, you say I'm the scummiest - fair enough. But why? You don't include any reasoning and I doubt you could. So I have to question - am I the most scummy to you because you know you're town and so when someone attacks you, the move seems scummy? Or do you ACTUALLY have a reason? Because you've yet to provide any insight, questions, or comments in regards to my play, while you have been commenting on others.
This seems like a pretty strong contradiction between what you say and what you do.

Correction: said. I said you were the scummiest. That was when I wasn't really seeing anyone as that scummy. Now I'm looking more at BS and lynchking (I don't really find sarah that scummy at the moment, but I'll do some re-reading. Not really sure on that point).

[Fatso]

You said it a day ago. Lynch nor BS has said anything that should significantly change your point of view, especially considering they haven't said anything at all. What, then, altered your viewpoint? Was it an epiphany? Or are you following the crowd on this one just as you did when pressured to RVS amongst other things?

Ok, first off that was 5 (I think, maybe 4) days ago. Are you in a time warp or something? I realize they haven't said anything, and that's actually my reason for being suspicious of lynchking (actually, we should just replace him. But until we do, I consider his play spot suspicious). The reason I'm suspicious of BS actually has to do with one of your posts (I'm not quoting it because I can't find it at the moment, but when I do, I'll put it up.) Whatever it was in that post got me thinking, and at the moment, I'm suspicious of her because she defended me in her first post, which always comes across as distinctly scummy to me. I realize that wasn't your reasoning in the post you made (I don't even remember what your reasoning was), but it got me thinking like "what if BS was scum..."
So, sort of an epiphany, and sort of following the crowd. I guess.

[Fatso]

Ok, maybe I spoke too soon here

. Imitating can be scummy, but in this case (if it was even imitating, which I doubt) it wasn't really IMO.

Jumpiness noted. What do you mean you spoke too soon?

Um, I mean

I spoke before I thought about other possibilities of imitating.

Imitating is scummy if it has to do with an actual opinion, but imitating techniques for posting and (in this case) getting others to talk isn't.

I beg to differ. In this case, what sarahfish89 did was to "imitate techniques for getting others to talk", all while

not posting

any actual content. This is a clear cut example of what we call active lurking, which is extremely scummy.

I guess this is more of a matter of opinion, I simply didn't see the post in question as being particularly scummy, but rather as being a newbie imitating what seemed to be a normal method of play. Let me look back at the post, I haven't seen it in a while, and maybe I'm remembering in wrong. I don't think so though.

[Fatso]

I looked back at the post, and it really doesn't seem scummy.
Oh, and here's the Bulvious's post I referred to previously:

Lol @ Fatso ^^^^


I don't like BS. V/la when she already wasn't putting anything out there. Lamelame
She's also the only one to have not voted - fail voter for the day? When I say "I'd hammer a lurker as of now." It would probably be her.

[Fatso]

Well Fatso, until now I didn't have you on my personal scum list, but now as you being quite sensitive about some accusations made against you I do. Although you were rather talkative the whole game you now seem to exaggerate. So many consecutive posts seem rather scummy to me. Why did you need to have 3 posts in a row to answer some questions?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fatso

You give no examples for the first two accusations, how do you expect me to formulate a defense? As for the consecutive posts, I just find it rather difficult to quote multiple posts in a single post. Posting multiple times is easier. So yeah, that's REAL scummy...

[Fatso]

If you don't mind my asking, what job do you do?

[Fatso]

Zdenek, could you please consider reasoning your votes as such seemingly random voting seems rather scummy to me.

(I didn't really look at this before, seeing as it wasn't addressing me personally).
Seriously, what are you talking about? Not making much sense at all here.

And, by the way, do we even have a mod any more? (no offense mod, if you're actually there, but we have a fallacious vote count still up. And lynchking hasn't posted in five days, yet to my knowledge has not been prodded).

[Fatso]

Really? 5 days ago?

In response to the question Sarahfish89 made on March 26th, you said “Bulvious”, on the same day. That's March 26th when you made that response.
You corrected me March 27th.
My response came March 28th.
March 27th is one day after March 26th, not five. But good luck trying to convince people it's ME in the time warp.

I was referring to my original post when I said that. I thought you were too, but clearly I was wrong. Could you quote these posts for me, just to make sure we're thinking of the same things now?

[Fatso]

No, but you can go back and check the dates. I'm not going to do your work for you.

Ok, seriously, that's not what I meant at all. You're making this harder than it has to be. I looked back and checked the date of the only post that I have in response to your response to my original post, and it was on the 24th, not the 26th. Just quote the freaking posts you're referring to and we can sort this thing out.

[Fatso]

Hmm... I originally thought you were talking about this post (and the ones that followed in reference to it):

Unvote

for now. I'm satisfied with lynchking's response.
The only person I'm overtly suspicious of now is you, Bulvious. I don't really understand why you're making such a big deal out of me not liking RVS, and then not liking the fact that I voted when it was practically requested I do so. I have to say, you do seem more super-actively-scumhunting-towny than anything else (from my experience).

But #74 has almost nothing to do with that. I have to admit, I'm still confused.

[Fatso]

The mafia is at a HUGE disadvantage then, aren't they?

Considering the advantages they already possess, no, not really. Keep them guessing.

I've done a little reading since. Just to clarify why I thought it would be such a huge disadvantage, I was unaware that the RB could still NK if the goon had been lynched.

[Fatso]

In post #74 it seemed as though you were answering the question asked at the end of post #73, Fat.

Really? Huh. I wasn't, I was just clarifying that we (I see "we" because my that post SF referred to was in direct response to yours) were in reference to BS, not her.

[Fatso]

For my accusation of Fatso:

Are you in a time warp or something?

I call something like that being sensitive though you may still correct me.

No, that was simply a fail attempt at humor.

Let me look back at the post, I haven't seen it in a while, and maybe I'm remembering in wrong. I don't think so though.

This quote seems to me as if you were backing up to not attract attention. Two quite different emotions shortly one after another. I should clarify what I meant by "exaggerating": I talked about this backing up.
Maybe I wasn't giving examples, which is—and I don't want to conceal that—not good if you are voting someone. But I won't back up from my vote until I see someone who is attracting my scum-radar more than Fatso. Which is—and I am honest here—not sooo good.

I can see how that might be misconstrued as "backing up to not attract attention," but I was simply saying that I could be remembering something wrong seeing as I hadn't looked at the post in a day or two.

[Fatso]

First thing first.

From Post #74

Um,

Bulvious

and my posts weren't even in reference to you there...

Is where you answered sarahfish89's question. Dated Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:45 pm, based on my timezone (GMT +8)

How am I answering a question there? I was clarifying a mistake she made.

And also, Fatso, it is barely 3 + days since the last vote count. Have patience. Most mods update around twice a week, so it's still on schedule on my count, especially since considering that antihero is not around.

Not that worried about a new vote count, more about lynchking and BS not being prodded.

[Fatso]

Oh, and:

Unvote, Vote: BS

[Fatso]

Some of those quotes were mess up, weren't they? Could you try to edit it so it makes more sense?

[Fatso]

Sorry, I just meant re-post it with the weird stuff fixed. My bad.

[Fatso]

I'm really not sure how this is misunderstood... My post here (in

red

) is not answering a question, it's stating that Sarah was confused

here

(in

blue

). She thought Bulvious and me were referring to her in the

first post

(in

purple

), when we were actually referring to BS. (Buvious's post is not here).

I'd kind of agree with that. She also defended me to some extent, which while not

necessarily

a scumtell does make me suspicious... In my last game the only people who ever directly defended anyone else (not each other, just townies) were the scum.

While I was defending you

, it was because I thought not liking RVS isn't a good enough reason to vote somebody and it's mainly townies that have done this, I was just basing this off my previous experience.

Um, Bulvious and my posts weren't even in reference to you there...

[Fatso]

*Facepalm*

I read it as:

Um, Bulvious.(1)

and my posts weren't even in reference to you there...(2)

Where I though part (1) was your answer to sarahfish89.

Excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall.

Don't do that, you'll lose much needed brain cells.

I'd like to see some activity from either mod. Prods seem in order, if not replacements in some cases, not to mention vote counts.

If this was on facebook, I'd like it.

[Fatso]

Sarah, why is there an 89 in your user name?

What are people's opinions of lynching the scummiest lurker?

Personally, I think it could be a good move. We will hopefully hit scum, but no matter what we eliminate someone who the scum won't kill and who we won't be able to get a read on during the game; in both newbie games I've been in so far, town has lost by mislynching a lurker in LYLO.

BS seems scummy to me anyways (not voting while saying RVS was a good thing, and defending me). I think she is currently the correct lynch, seeing as she also hasn't posted in like 5 days.

[Fatso]

Thank you for reposting that. Personally, I think that lynch-a-lurker would be a good idea right now. (I'm aware that I've already said that).
@alnkpa, do you still find me scummy? If so, why?

[Fatso]

Further, I am now a little concerned by your last posts that hadn't much content. Your arguing with Bulvious seemed over-the-top to me, especially as you were disputing over some dates which seemed rather unimportant to me. Could you explain why you had to clarify your date of posts more than one site?

That whole argument was very weird, and maybe it did get a bit over the top, but I think that's understandable seeing as neither of us had half an idea what the other was talking about. It finally got sorted out with a conversation between me and h3llo (that should be rather easy to find, but let me know if I should quote it). I believe Bulvious made the same mistake h3llo did (correct me if I'm wrong, Bulv).
Oh, and I was trying to clarify dates because we both thought the other was talking about a different post. If you go back and read the thing through, it might make more sense than it does here.

[Fatso]

Computer asses? That's an odd way to put it, but ok.
I'd like to see people's thoughts in general on Bulvious (not if you've recently posted them of course). Not that I think he's scum, but (and maybe I'm just hallucinogenic) it seems to me that quite a few people have labeled him town from the start (sort of a general feeling here, maybe I'm completely wrong). The only reason I say this is because I always get suspicious of anyone who's labeled town without having claimed cop or something.

[Fatso]

Oh, and alnkpa, do you have anything else to say in reference to my last post answering questions put forth in your last post in reference to me being scummy?
Ok, that didn't make much sense. Just try to bare with me here.

@Bulvious: Probably not, I just read a few post where that seemed to be the case, and then posted that. I want to hear from people though. Also, did you make the same mistake as h3llo a while back? Just want to make sure that's cleared up now.

[Fatso]

Anyway, it is doubtful that we'll be lynching the IC today.

Unvote
Vote h3ll0

Bulvious already said this, but why are you voting for h3llo other than him possibly buddying a bit? (if that's the only reason, well, I

guess

that's acceptable).

FoS: lynchking

. You've posted sort of meaningless stuff twice, and still haven't said whether or not you actually wanted to quick lynch me. Not to seem rude, but either replace out or get in the game.

[Fatso]

Oh and Fatso, could you please rephrase

I was wondering if you had a response to this (I'm not asking for one, I was just wondering if you had one.):

Further, I am now a little concerned by your last posts that hadn't much content. Your arguing with Bulvious seemed over-the-top to me, especially as you were disputing over some dates which seemed rather unimportant to me. Could you explain why you had to clarify your date of posts more than one site?

That whole argument was very weird, and maybe it did get a bit over the top, but I think that's understandable seeing as neither of us had half an idea what the other was talking about. It finally got sorted out with a conversation between me and h3llo (that should be rather easy to find, but let me know if I should quote it). I believe Bulvious made the same mistake h3llo did (correct me if I'm wrong, Bulv).
Oh, and I was trying to clarify dates because we both thought the other was talking about a different post. If you go back and read the thing through, it might make more sense than it does here.

[Fatso]

I think Fatso is probably town because of his chattiness.

Actually, studies have shown that people talk more when they're lying.

[Fatso]

Fatso wrote:

Also, did you make the same mistake as h3llo a while back? Just want to make sure that's cleared up now.

I'm not sure what you mean here.

I was referring to this:

*Facepalm*

I read it as:

Um, Bulvious.(1)

and my posts weren't even in reference to you there...(2)

Where I though part (1) was your answer to sarahfish89.

Excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall.

[Fatso]

I know, I know, I just posted four times, but I think it's easier than creating a HUGE wallstripe post.

Unvote, Vote: sarahfish89

I might change back to BS if it comes to a policy lynch, but I was just thinking, and sarah really hasn't said anything useful the whole game. Seems the scummiest of all to me at the moment.

[Fatso]

Perhaps h3ll0 uses 'pro-town' incorrectly but you DID say he was leaning town.

Additionally, you did not state why h3ll0 was scummy, not REALLY anyway.

Yes, I made the same 'mistake' though I'd hardly consider it a mistake. When someone asks a question and you post immediately after with an appropriate answer and lacking specification - expect to be misunderstood. You appear to be having some miscomm problems - which isn't very good in Mafia.

This isn't directed at me, right?
@Antihero: Has Banana Stickers been prodded?

[Fatso]

Thanks.

[Fatso]

I find when there's a large-ish argument (my definition being three people or more for arguing for at least three days), at least one person in the argument tends to be scum, leading me to believe that h3llo, Bulvious, or Zdenek, is scum (they seem to be the ones with the most involvement in the argument I'm referring too (if it hasn't become evident to you what argument that is *cough*lynchking&BS*cough* then read the thread).
The question is, which one? I don't think it's two, I'm thinking the other scum might be one of our two resident lurkers or sarahfish (most likely the latter). I currently have no good reads on any of the three: h3llo has made some good points that would suggest town(I like his first point in #185 especially), but he's perhaps also buddied a bit, which might suggest scum, but could also just be agreement. Bulvious hasn't had anything that I would consider really convincingly town, but he has done some fair scumhunting. This goes either way for me, as good scum will try to look like their scum hunting, and I've known some people who do this really well. Zdenek has said some untrue things and made a few mistakes, but he sort of comes across to me as actually trying to defend himself for the good of the town. I need to reread once I have some homework out of the way.
I think one of these three is scum, but I'm not sure which, so I'm keeping my vote on sarahfish right now. Thoughts?

[Fatso]

I only have a minute here, then I have to go, so I'll answer the last question first, and get to the first one later:
You have said some things that, in my mind, are untrue or mistakes. I don't have time to go back and quote, but for instance, saying that h3llo was "obviously buddying" to Bulvious. I don't think this was the case at all. He was

possibly

buddying, not obviously buddying.

[Fatso]

Yet ANOTHER post lacking ANY scumhunting. You're AWFUL town - if you are town. You NEVER have time to post anything and you NEVER find anything scummy of note.


Fatso, as far as your observation saying one of the three of us is scum - isn't that untrue as well? Give me a few examples where this has happened. From MY experience you're just making something up in order to appeal to people.

Still, I don't know if it'd be Zdenek or h3ll0 who would be the scum IF you were accurate. But that's not really assuming much. That's more like saying "Which one appears more scummy out of the three." While I can SEE why scum would want to spark arguments - they wouldn't do it in a way that included themselves. I'd probably put my vote on h3ll0 if I were to choose one out of the three of us. He's sort of made himself to appear my friend - something scum would want to do in a three way conversation. This might appeal to my ethos and pit me against Zdenek, 2v1. But as it is, that's just sort of a moot observation in my book.

I can't really give examples. This is sort of one of my general rules of play in the real world. If you disagree, that's fine, I'm just trying to use my past experience to the town's advantage. I should note that I do think it's possible that I'm wrong in this case, seeing as the people I normally play with do play differently.

[Fatso]

And I mean,

very

differently.

[Fatso]

And also (directed at Bulvious), how can you say that's an observation? I wasn't saying the three of you were scummy, THAT would be an observation. I was saying one of you was probably scum. And how can you say it's untrue? The only way you could say that knowingly is if you were lying scum. Also, if I was trying to make something up to appeal to people, don't you think I would choose something that didn't potentially attack three people?

[Fatso]

Seeing this conversation almost came to a halt, I'd like to pose some questions in order to let it stay alive.
Fatso, do you really think that you can project from a real world game of mafia to this board? In which way?
H3llo, do you agree with Fatso that one of the three mentioned by him (which includes you) might be scum? Who? Why?
Zdenek, would you like to defense against Fatso's arguments? How?

Not really sure what your question to me means here.

[Fatso]

Unvote

[Fatso]

chkflip, you like to cross things out, don't you?
alnkpa, do you still find me scummy (I know I've asked this before)? If so, why? Because there's really no reason voting for me if you don't have a case.

[Fatso]

Also, can someone explain to me why people don't think it's possible to use experience from many, many, many, games in the real world online?

[Fatso]

Why are the people who say we focused too long on pressuring BS still focusing on it?

[Fatso]

Well, well, well. A fellow Minnesotan.

[Fatso]

About an hour north-eastish of the cities. A place nobody's ever heard of.

[Fatso]

Wow... my busiest day, and people decide to make huge posts.
Only had time to quickly read through this, but at the moment both Zd and ST seem town to me. Zd also said some stuff that made me think maybe h3llo was scum.
Both chkflip and Workdawg seem townish to me at the moment, but then again they've hardly been in long enough to seem particularly scummy.
It's 6 days to deadline, right? That's what I counted.

[Fatso]

WTF TL;DR -- Being overly defensive, defeatist, sheeping, NOT scumhunting, flailing, buddying, and lying, amongst several other (slightly less pertinent) points.

CHK's Fatso case:

Fatso, you're very defensive for it being so early in the game here and you seem a bit abrasive to alkrerrih here. ST made it pretty obvious who the question was aimed at ten minutes prior, why rub it in? That's only a minute point next to what your actual response to his inquiry is for the simple fact that you're completely misrepping what you actually said to appear more town than you actually are. Lets compare:

I don't like RVS very much, so I'm not voting until I see an

actual scummy post

.

Anyways, my opinion wasn't "I totally hate RVS and I'm never voting in it. EVER." It was "I don't like RVS that much, so I'm not going to vote right off the bat, but if it's really that important to you, I guess I will."

LOLWUT?

Your reaction, as priceless as it is, screams scum from my gut. It's obv Zd was talking about your appeasement to the beast that is RVS. And of course you try to jump on your first chance to get the wagon turning by voting for someone who placed a random vote on you. You continue to flail before LK answers your question with ease.

Being defeatist doesn't make you appear any more town.

Flailing again? And who cares that noone else is scumhunting? That's not in question as of that moment; the question was whether or not

YOU

were scumhunting... and you hadn't. At all. OMGUS vote doesn't count. If I was in the game at this point, believe you me there'd be a lynch-rope at L-1 with your name etched in it.

Damn it... that's what Bul said. Well, I'm not deleting it. Especially since your response very obviously states that you're missing the point entirely. I almost cackled when you named Bul as your top suspect for putting some pressure on you.

BUDDYING instead of scumhunting only one post later... are you serious?

Lying is never good, either. "I never said I wouldn't RV"? REALLY? Because that's exactly what you said from my side of the screen. You said you wouldn't vote until you saw an

"actual scummy post"

... to which you contradict yourself by voting three times without much (beyond OMGUS) merit.

You continue to "scumhunt" people that aren't as active as they should be... why not just try to actually, you know, get a response from someone that's playing the game? Jumping from lurker to lurker isn't making me think you're town. At all.

Your soft-defending sarah is out of nowhere and made me actually cackle after I realized you said (from your own experience) "the only people who defend town are scum"

And you never cease to amaze me by continuing to vote lurkers. Did you get much of anything out of that? Just curious.

Then you talk about F11... right after a juicy response post from Zd? As much as I don't want to think this is a scumtell, it reads to me like you're avoiding the discussion until you can come up with something. And that something is just sheeping what has already been said. Yes, there are only so many opinions you can have on certain things, but that response is pure fluffy-sheepery.

[sarcasm] I love that your top suspects are the lurkers. At least you're consistent. [/sarcasm] Your reasons aren't anything outside of fluffed "they're lurking," IMO. You shouldn't be GUESSING about your opinion, either it's one way or it's the other.

...I just can't even fathom how you said <--that at all. Why do you need examples for something YOU TYPED?

Out of all the absolute ridiculousness that comes from you, it's this lurker vote that screams scum a little louder than the rest of them. WHY. WHYWHYWHWHYWHY are you continuously voting for lurkers when it's page SIX and there are SEVERAL things you could be scumhunting into and getting real responses from? WHY are you still failing at this scumhunting thing? There are only two answers I can come up with that make any sense. One, you're retarded, or two, you're scum. I sincerely find it an insult to the mentally handicapped to label you as the former, so you're the latter.

FOS'ing a lurker for things they very obviously didn't see.

A REAL VOTE!? Holy CRAP, I didn't think you had it in you boy. But... your next post doesn't mention sarah at all. Sure, it's because "she wasn't as involved in the discussion" as you'd say, but why vote someone and not try to follow-up on them at all? Not even a question for Sarah in either post, really? Not even a comment in her direction after she posts? Then nothing at all? No.

Never in my life have I seen a townie as worried about a single vote as you are here; therefore, you're not town.

1. I was perhaps flailing a bit, but I don't think as much as you're saying. Also, I saw lynchking's response as being not-very-well-put-together at best, scummy at worst.
2. Not really being defeatist, just speaking my mind.
3. How is this flailing?
4. Wha...?
5. Um, how the HELL is this buddying? He misunderstood me, and I was correcting him.
6. That was an inconsistency that I'll admit I really wish hadn't come into play. I worded the first post wrong (should have said "I don't really want to RVS"), and bad things followed. I'd like to see you quote the three OMGUS votes though.
7. I thought that was a fair vote.
8. Not familiar with the term "soft defending."
9. Yes, when I don't see anything overtly scummy, I tend to vote for lurkers.
10. This is so silly, I'm not going to dignify it with a response other than: "Am I not allowed to ask questions in a Newbie game!??"
11. Nothing in mafia is every one way or the other. People always make mistakes (you should know, you want to lynch me). Yes, all my suspects were lurkers. Lurking is scummy. Find something else obviously scummy going on in the game at that time, and I'll admit I was wrong.
12. I don't need examples for what I typed, I need examples for what was so exaggerated about it.
13. I believe I've made my point about lurkers before. Also, you're making this personal here.
14. It wasn't obvious to me. At the time, I thought he

could

still be in the game.
15. I was busy and tired at the time I posted both of those. I would have said more later, but she replaced out.
16. Now it's scummy to wonder why someone without a case is voting for you? Well that's just... I don't know what the heck that is. Silly, I guess.

[Fatso]

Aggh! My head is ajumble with long posts...
Workdawg, I happened to see this, and immediately thought of an example.

I don't think there is any real difference between "Some info is bad for town" and "Some info is good for scum."

If the town finds out who the is cop because he claims and says he's found a scum, the info is probably just about the same on the goodness scale for the remaining scum, as they now know who the cop is. (Correct me if I'm wrong here.)
The only person I'm finding distinctly scummy at the moment is h3llo, partially because of Zd's case, and partially my own suspicions. It is a little weird that Zd didn't start posting long things until he came under pressure though.
Bulvious's case on alnkpa was interesting too, but it seemed to me that there was some stuff he labeled "fluff" that I wouldn't consider to be fluffy.

[Fatso]

Woops, forgot:

Vote: h3llo

That looks OMGUSy now, I know.

[Fatso]

And Bulvious:
Post #1 is not fluff, it's a legit introduction. #5 Is content. #6 is not fluff, it shows he's actually interested in what's going on. #16 Isn't that fluffy. Restating a point, even if everyone knows it, is not always a bad thing to do.
Mind you, I'm not saying I'm discounting the case altogether, but you seem to have slapped "fluff" on a lot of what he's said, even if it isn't that fluffy.

[Fatso]

Either way, that's not even really a defense for him. He's still not scumhunting, he's still not being town. He's still scummy.

It wasn't meant to be a defense. I just didn't think some of the things you said were scummy.

And you have still yet to voice out your suspicions of me.

Nor have you said anything on your fence-sitting. Vote still stands.

Could you define "fence-sitting" for me? I've heard it before, but I'm not really sure what it means.
I'll voice my suspicions in a while, I only have a minute here right now.

Fatso is not scum unless alnkpa is his partner.
If alnkpa is scum Fatso may or may not be scum.

Why do you say alnkpa would be my partner if I were scum? If you really think alnkpa is so scummy, why not vote for him?

[Fatso]

My suspicions of you mainly have to do with Zd's part in his case in reference to you wanting/not wanting to lynch a lurker. I'm not finding at quite as scummy as I did yesterday for some reason, though. I need to look back again.

[Fatso]

@Mod: I'm very sorry about this, but due to medical reasons I'm going to have to ask that I be replaced.