Mafia MetaMafia ~ Game Over!

[VP Baltar]

Ok, read up. First I need to tell everyone that I probably wont' be posting much for the rest of the week due to RL, and I'm going to be

V/LA for all of this weekend without any access whatsoever

Sorry to drop that right as the game started, but what can you do.


Ok, without making a wall post, here are my thoughts:

Niki Minaj has some pretty terrible posts in there, such as asking if Katsuki is serious, dodging the alignment question and asking sottyrulez what their full role name is (as if they would somehow get this incorrect). It's pretty empty stuff at points and I do hate that coming from Mina. I did have a couple points from them I really agreed with however (calling hito's posting re:AGM nipicking and asking singer's opinion of quadz, both of which I wanted to say in this post until they said it first). I'm a bit torn on Niki's alignment as a result.

The main thing that bugs me about quadz is how pensive he is. He really seems to be slow at loosening up here...though I admittedly have no experience with him. Does he always play defensively like this when he's town?

Sottyrulez claiming miller is blah to me. Decent chance they are town, but they really need to be after the scum and get NKed for me to feel completely safe with that claim.

@DDD - what do you think is the optimal town strategy with the domains? Is there any advantage to mass claiming domains as someone (Seraphim?) suggested? Are we better randomly worshiping and casting? Same question goes to anyone that played in POWERFUL WIZARDS mafia...or whatever it's called.

I think I'm going to reserve the rest of my reads for the moment. I do think Gamma is town, so there's a sneak preview. Most of my reads aren't very strong yet and I'd like some more reading before I get too wild with accusations.

Vote: quadz08

p.edit - Oh, the whole double day thing slipped my mind. I don't really have a problem with AGM suggesting it or picking mothrax. I think hito is going way overboard with his reaction to that and I dont' like it at all. As of right now, we should let the day play out, but I'm certainly not taking it off the table as a possibility. If I start to find mothrax scummy, then all other things being equal he's getting my vote. I dont' really buy all the people going "policy lynch = ZOMG BAD"

@hito - was it you earlier implying that we only got the double day on a mislynch? Reading AGM's post, I don't get that sense at all. Why did you say that? (unless I misread/misattributed something)

[VP Baltar]

Wbit what the fuck vp?

Yeah, I know right.

[VP Baltar]

I dont' really recall that game Gamma, but I have a terrible memory for marathon's and I'll take your word for it. Also, we still have some people that haven't really posted yet, so let's see what shakes out with the miller business.

[VP Baltar]

lol, oh I remember that game now. That was ridiculous.

[VP Baltar]

@DDD - what do you think is the optimal town strategy with the domains? Is there any advantage to mass claiming domains as someone (Seraphim?) suggested? Are we better randomly worshiping and casting? Same question goes to anyone that played in POWERFUL WIZARDS mafia...or whatever it's called.

If someone has a useful and falsifiable reason for domain and/or alignment claiming then I'd be in favor of it, but far too often you do something like that and people try to play outguess the mod isntead of scumhunting.

Yeah, though I think anyone trying to outguess Vi is pretty much guaranteed to lose anyhow. The reason I see for claiming domains is so that people can be more well informed about who they are boosting each night. I don't think there probably needs to be coordinated boosting, just putting that information out there so at night it can be like "well I generally think player X, Y and Z are all town and they all share the Will domain, so I'll worship that tonight."

If no one played in Powerful Wizards mafia (did Plum? I thought she played all Spyrex games), then I guess I will have to look into it myself to see when and if domains were ever claimed in it.

[VP Baltar]

Why? Policy lynches should be reserved for the Worst of the Worst. The Furculows and DrMyShotty’s of the world. Realistically the only player on the list even CLOSE to that stature is Nobody Special.

Oh well, if you say it's so, then it must be true. Not really. Everyone is going to have their own opinions of what the "worst of the worst" is. Also, I find it ludicrous that you're jumping AGM because "policy lynches are reserved for scum"...well that kind of goes out the window when you have to pick N0, right? Eliminating a player he thinks won't be that helpful to gain a double day isn't a bad thing.

@AGM - I forgot to ask, does the battery reset when your policy lynch is achieved?

re: mass claiming domains - I just thought of a potential downside being some sort of scum ability that can negate worships.

[VP Baltar]

1. Ah, condecending comments from VPB, how unexpected. Where exactly am I 'jumping' AGM? I find his call to be very Null. Explaining why the extra lynch his power provides might not be being met with universal acclaim isn't calling someone scum.
2. If said chosen Policy Lynch choice by AGM doesn't act scummy then using the ability isn't worthwhile to Town.
3. Are you speculating on a scum ability to prevent worships of players or whole Domains?

I never said you called him scum. I said you were criticizing him over a legit play (which you were!). What else was he supposed to do with his ability? Hint: he had no choice but to pick someone he'd like dead. You saying 'well, gee, policy lynches are best used on people I don't like rather than people AGM doesn't like' doesn't negate that he had to make a choice and chose.

re: potential scum abilities - I was thinking negating individual worships, but who knows really. Also, Magua brings up legit points against it too. It's probably too risky to claim domains.

[VP Baltar]

Sigh. I’m not saying that he shouldn’t have used his ability. I disagree with his target choice but that’s my opinion. I’m entitled to have it.

My point is that you're nitpicking at bullshit. What ultimate purpose does complaining about AGM's choice have other than padding your posts?

[VP Baltar]

Sometimes the most responsible use of a power is not to exercise it.

So now you're suggesting he shouldn't have used it at all? Ridiculous.

[VP Baltar]

I said I think gamma is town...that should be a pretty clear indicator.

re:talking to Magna - you think I'm asking him for any other reason than to figure out his alignment?

[VP Baltar]

I said I think gamma is town...that should be a pretty clear indicator.

re:talking to Magna - you think I'm asking him for any other reason than to figure out his alignment?

What have you figured out?

That's not really any of your biddness atm. When I have concluded my read on MoI, you'll be the first to know.

[VP Baltar]

Hito, would you neighborize a claimed Miller?

~Sotty

I certainly would consider it...why not?

[VP Baltar]

Hito, would you neighborize a claimed Miller?

~Sotty

I certainly would consider it...why not?

The real question is whether or not we'd be expected to claim this were we not a miller.

Well, I am just speaking theoretically, but if I was a neighborizor and I potentially wanted to stop a miller-viggin or a-lynchin, pulling you in with some night talk and trying to find your alignment in an up close and personal way wouldn't be a terrible idea. I think the inverse of what you said is actually the better play...ie, pull the miller in early to get an alignment before the vig shoots you. Just my feeling on it.

[VP Baltar]

The main thing that bugs me about quadz is how pensive he is. He really seems to be slow at loosening up here...though I admittedly have no experience with him. Does he always play defensively like this when he's town?

Vp. Explain this.

He didn't really seem to comment much on what was going on and was concerned with being called scum. That's what I mean.

Also, for the sake of the game, I'm going to stop posting for a bit. I think we're getting into dangerous thread explosion territory and we don't need to be giving lurkers and excuse to lurk.

[VP Baltar]

@VP, Sotty: Your opinion on Parama, please.

Jury is still out. Kind of leaning town despite finding his cases to be pretty meh.

[VP Baltar]

What do you think of VV?

If you're comparing him to quadz, quadz is far worse. I don't have a strong read on VV either way at this point. He does tend to OMGUS a lot, so that's not really a surprise.

also, I hope this game doesn't turn into the VV-MoI show that happened in SAIII, because I'm really not interested in reading all of that.

[VP Baltar]

I want to know why singer isn't voting quadz...the person she can read like a book and thinks is scum

[VP Baltar]

Well, he hasn't posted anything else, so her reads have no reason to change...or not be voting.

[VP Baltar]

AGM's ability is pretty useless if it doesn't reset the battery, imo. I'm against using it as it's been stated unless I have a strong read on mothrax (which would require him to post).

[VP Baltar]

VPB: Why useless? it's still a town-driven (we can hope) "free" lynch. As much as I'm not sure if I like that it's there, it could be useful to us if we're intelligent about it.

Well, there isn't really anyone in this game who is so derpy they shouldn't be given a chance to play. I have no problem with mothrax myself anyhow. When AGM said double day, I assumed that meant two full batteries which is useful for town even if the lynch is a mislynch. Without the battery gain, we pretty much get nothing other than eliminating mothrax, which doesn't really help the town unless we're pretty certain he's scum.

1) I'm not Old Guard enough to really know or know about Xylthixlm. Can you (or anyone) shed light on a possible logical connection between him and Policy Lynching?

He liked policy lynches.

[VP Baltar]

*Crappy noob case that makes no sense*

I think the best part is when you say I'm being useless by answer questions specifically directed toward me and I'm not scumhunting because I point out a contradiction in thought and action made by singer. Well done, champ.

VPB - I say if Mothrax starts seriously lurking we lynch him for all we're worth. At this rate we have a fair amount of Battery-time ahead of us.

Well, he's got that well under control at this point. I'm kind of getting the sense he took his ball and went home after the spat with AGM, but he'd actually have to post for us to have any idea of what's going on.

^Distancing.

Wait...you're calling me scum? Elaboration please.

hopes dayvig is real* I really do because that was the worst thing. And wtf, NM that meta came out of no where?

I thought you felt Parama was town? Did I read your catch up incorrectly?

[VP Baltar]

CHESSKID

JENKINS - wait, that's not quite it. ~Vi

[VP Baltar]

gassssssssssssp.
I was gonna ask you about why Duplicity-scum but PoE-wise it makes sense.

Slightly more than that too, but yes for the most part.

I honestly just thought Dupe and I were having a worst post contest. I hope I won.

[VP Baltar]

You forgot my name.

[VP Baltar]

I should be your #1 hmph. I mean, you have mothrax above me. wtf.

[VP Baltar]

If parama flips scum, hito should be lynched next probs.

[VP Baltar]

Duplicity's case is distancing because he made it on a player that didn't have any votes and wasn't attracting any attention. The case is terrible and has a lot of fluff. This implies that Duplicity already knows that VPB is scum and is making as big a case as possible so that he can point back to it later.

OMG, Niki knows duplicity is scum making a bad case so he's saying it's distancing from me so he can chain lynches when duplicity flips scum. ...you see how stupid that WIFOM is?

[VP Baltar]

Which parts of it do you think are good?

[VP Baltar]

I am playing my cards closer to my chest, which is intentional and what I think is best for the health of the game atm. Given the player list, I don't plan on rushing anything and I don't feel a need to be a 'big town leader.' In case you think it's not clear, I think it's very likely quadz is scum (dont' see how I've waivered on that at all). Hence why my vote hasn't moved. I find the points you're making kind of ludicrous to say the least. The sotty point is confusing at best...I'm stating I'm suspicious of their miller claim, but I will of course not judge them based on that alone. What's wrong wtih that again? Similarly, why shouldn't I ask DDD his opinion on domain strategy? He's a good strategist and I wanted to see what his response was.

Your argument is that I'm not being aggressive enough, to which I say, meh. Cooks in the kitchen and all that. I have my reads and I plan to follow them as I see fit, which I have been doing. Additionally, I could see several people in this game that your same argument would apply to (though maybe they have fewer posts), so why does that specifically make me scum?

[VP Baltar]

re:quadz - you said I was waffling, which isn't true.

I don't trust SottyR completely because of the miller claim. I'm not saying it's null...I'm saying it's something that people should always keep in mind unless some other info comes up that exonerates them or I get a super strong townread on them. I think that's reasonable, apparently we disagree though.

Because you don't voice your opinion, you ask him his, and when he gives it, you *then* voice your opinion that disagrees. The whole exchange feels like you already had an answer in mind you wanted to head towards, not that were actually soliciting someone's opinion.

I don't see how this is scummy either. Had I just agreed with him, then I could maybe see it as a stretch. I really don't get this bit at all.

1: This is the scummiest defense ever. "Why me and not that other guy." I'm really surprised to see it from you.
2: You asked why I thought *you* were scummy. I answered with what I found scummy about *you*. Other people don't enter into that conversation.

meh. I think dup's case is fucking awful for how generic and fluffy it is. You follow up his case with somewhat unrelated matters that are equally fluffy. The reason I say it could apply to anyone is because it could. I'm asking why you think it's stand out for me. Is it just because I was a leader in SAII? I think that's pretty limited meta to say the least. I think other people can certainly enter the equation when you're being that generic in your scumhunting.

[VP Baltar]

Do you think Duplicity is scum?

Potentially, but he hasn't really done enough to get any kind of real read on. His case is crap, but that doesn't make him scum.

Do you think I'm scum?

I'm not particularly inclined to think so right now.

[VP Baltar]

Hrm...this is going to be a short game at this rate.

Vote:quadz

obv scum is still scum.

Ok, I got fully caught up over night. I got very strong town reads on Ray, Seraphim, Faraday and substantial town reads on Sottyrulez, DDD and Gamma.

I think hito and Plum look pretty damn scummy and I'd be willing to lynch them after quadz is dead. Signer I'm up in the air on because I kind of feel like she is paying lip service to the quadz wagon after it got serious backing. One of MoI and VV is probably scum, but I'm leaning the latter in this case. Reserving the rest of my reads until I feel more comfortable making those calls.

[VP Baltar]

Also with singer, I didn't like how hard she was trying to discredit people calling mothrax town.

[VP Baltar]

I'm confused about this whole reveal worship business. Can you explain it to me? How do we know what domains were worshiped so we can check them? I don't mind going first. I just haven't understood that part of the setup discussion really.

[VP Baltar]

@Ray - It makes no sense for you to have not found the thread for so long if you were scum because your role PM would have had a scum daytalk QT link and your buddies would have told you to post before you did.

Also, it seems that a modkill would be enough punishment for a modkill. And besides, battery being reduced today is no biggie since we know quadz is scum. Power lynch.

[VP Baltar]

I could have swore there was somewhere that Vi said something of that nature. But regardless of if she didn't, it's pretty standard in her games. Also, I don't scumslip, don't be an idiot.

[VP Baltar]

5.

Can the Mafia talk to each other during the Day?

Maybe.

Says it here, but yeh.

You don't scumslip, you're right. I'll walk on by this, but I don't really feel that your point is valid. I've had instances where I've been scum, not known about the game thread, and ended up being prodded (like I was here) before I even realized the game was open. By the by, the game I'm recalling this from happens to be MoCo. Soooooo... yeah. Got any valid reasons for finding me town, or is that it? If that's it, it seems a bit of a stretch to call me a "strong" town read of any kind.

Also, you didn't explain the hito / plum scum reads. Please do so. Now, preferably.

Unvote

I don't think it requires a lot to get a strong town read on someone. A single occurrence like that which is highly unlikely to come from scum is enough for me sometimes. You have to look at the most likely scenario and decide. Nothing is ever off the table in a mafia game when wifom is involved of course, but I just really don't think such a late entrance would happen if you were scum.

Anyhow, re: hito - his play is pretty empty so far other than some rambly strategy talk that made little sense, a weird push on AGM that turned into backing off later and avoidance of lynching quadz, who is scum.

re: Plum - I didn't mind her posting all that much, but her nonparticipation in the thread, especially as sottyrulez pushed on her licks of the same scum meta she showed in Mafia Holographica.

[VP Baltar]

re:quadz - a fairly explicit case was laid out by Seraphim yesterday, but I really don't see how anyone can not see pretty much everything he posts as scummy. From his obsessive self defense to that horribad "case" he made on DDD...give me a break.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, most Vi batteries end up at 2 week days normally given optimal posting conditions. So if we stay active, I would guess around a week too.

[VP Baltar]

Nicki Minaj's kill flavor is odd, especially with them flipping as Vi

huh?

[VP Baltar]

Also, I just realized the hilarity of Vi being the town cop.

DDD - I'd like something decent from you today. Reassure me of your towniness, you know.

[VP Baltar]

what an asstoot response. For real though DDD, lack of WWE belt aside, it's time to get in the fray. If we're having 3 kills a night, there isn't really time to be playing around until day 3 before you get in the action. You know I usually give you room to play backseat until later, but I'd like some people to bounce ideas off of and I want to be able to know you're town so I can do that with you.

[VP Baltar]

One of MoI and VV is probably scum, but I'm leaning the latter in this case.

I don't think you realize that the jedi mind tricks don't work on me. If I had the obv. town read on you, I wouldn't be pressing you for more content. I'm asking you one last time to give me something I can work with here. I'm giving you points cause quadz is scum and you were on him early enough, but then again he's also weak here and would be a reasonable bus.

[VP Baltar]

You asked me what I thought of him and I told you...that's not really brushing you off. But for the sake of elaboration, I will say that he seems wimpy this game and hesitant to really get into it with anyone. As a comparison, I would say VV in SAIII was tangling with people left and right regardless of if he was making good points or not. Then you look at Mafia Holographica where he was scum and he was pretty lurky and didn't really have much active input on the game state. I think it's easy to see which one of these he is playing more like. VV is one of those players that plays his town game on his sleeve, and I'm just not seeing that here, that's why I think he's scum.

Better? Can I get your thoughts now?

[VP Baltar]

Dave's

Duplicity's not here, man.

[VP Baltar]

@DDD - Works for me. And just seeing some thought process already makes me feel better about ya.

@SR - Once we deal with quadz, I'm definitely open to talking about the validity of a VV lynch.

Speaking of which...why aren't you voting quadz MoI? KILLKILLKILLKILL

[VP Baltar]

So you don't think he's town, you think

Conspiracy!

Cool.

[VP Baltar]

EBWOP: and by town I mean, think he has done anything to indicate that he's town. I get that you're claiming he's town because of said

Conspiracy!

[VP Baltar]

@MoI - Ftr, disagreeing with your opinion =/= condescension. I don't know why you keep saying that. And even if you think I'm being condescending, I"m not quite sure how that's anything but a null tell regardless.

I don't know if it's likely they are scum together. I have scum reads on them both, so it's possible, but their scumminess isn't related at all.

re: quadz - if you felt that strongly about his wagon, you certainly didn't seem to be doing a lot to try to stop it yesterday. In fact, I just kind of realized you were gone from this game after May 5 even though you were posting quite regularly elsewhere on May 6, 7 and 8. What's up with that? Townie quadz is getting run up by all your scum reads and you have nothing to really say about it? Thanks for helping me stumble upon that :condescending:

[VP Baltar]

In case people missed it, ISO MoI in this game, notice how he was gone all weekend, then search his user posts to see how active he was while on 'V/LA' for the weekend while scum-quadz was getting run up. That's all.

[VP Baltar]

I second Magua's call for a quadz full claim.

@signer - did you discuss in this QT at all yet?

[VP Baltar]

MoI didn't go V/LA... nice try at the misrep, though.

He claimed it in other games...which you probably would have seen had you looked. Nice not reading there. lol, I like that your following quote is:

Gamma: READ THREAD PLZ.

Good stuff.

Second, didn't have anyone worth doctoring. Might as well prevent the mislynch.

lol...wanted to save my ass!

Jeebus. Look, the only player I thought likely to get hit was NM-town (and that's only because of the claim), and I was far from sure that NM was town. Besides, my doc is also an RB, and in a game like this, RBing anybody could be bad news.

So you thought docing the cop that was likely to die was bad because they wouldn't get their ability for a night? k.

I also don't like the VPB side of the VPB-DDD interactions. Getting someone to seek your approval is a great way to get a sneaky town read from them, and his early "AH. ALREADY FEEL BETTAH ABOUT YA MATE" seems a little artificial.

Seek your approval what? You do realize I started those interactions, right? You are so scum this game. You may as well claim it now, cause you're next on the chopping block brotha.

so what, scum decided n0 "kay let's make sure quadz can get his neighborize off tomorrow. someone worship his domains"

I'm sure that is what they were planning to do....or it was his last ditch effort to ingratiate himself to singer to save his ass. P. sure scum weren't planning on him getting strung up and saved by a modkill on day 1. Additionally, he could have just used an ability instead of a cast. Funny how that never crosses your mind.

I think maybe you're coming from the perspective of forgetting how fucking terrible it is being a groomed mislynch. when's the last time you've been misylnched?

I'm tired of this argument too. quadz should have been lynched D1 for his scummy ass behavior. He wasn't magically set up overnight to look scummier than he already is. You know who uses these kinds of arguments? Scum. How the hell do you think I got most of my team to survive so long in SAIII when they should have been lynched by like Day 5...by shouting

Conspiracy!

at every single turn.

And yet, simultaneously, he's on the waiting half of the scumteam instead of the worshipping. All to neighborize someone...who can probably read him extremely well?

Well he certainly fooled you, so it doesn't seem like that stupid of an idea now does it?

Doublepost: Scum almost certainly have daytalk because the neighbors have daytalk, and VPB's #681 is almost certainly a scumslip.

So I say scum probably have daytalk, which was pointed out in the rules, and you say I'm scum because I said that. This is probably the first dumb thing I've ever heard you say Magua. Congrats.

For those of you who think Quadz is town just because of the neighbourize, you need to realize that Quadz-scum could have still worshipped N0 and neighborized singer N1 where neighbor is a Power role ability instead of a cast.

oh dingdingding, we have a winner.

quadz should be dead already. Less chat, more splat. Let's go. VV not posting at all today is a huge scumtell too.

[VP Baltar]

@hito - has quadz done anything at all this game you find scummy?

[VP Baltar]

Unofficial, but correct votecount

quadz08 (L-2) ~ VP Baltar, Parama, ooba, sottyrulez, Faraday, Demonic Angel, Gammagooey, Seraphim
DemonicAngel (l-8) ~ AGM, RayFrost
Parama (L-9) ~ Plum, hitogoroshi
DDD (l-9) ~ quadz
VP Baltar (L-9) ~ Magua


Not Voting: Debonair Danny DiPietro, MagnaofIllusion, Nobody Special, singersigner, VasudeVa


Why is signer posting without voting?

[VP Baltar]

I'm either being massively fooled this game, or there are a shit ton of town members on this quadz lynch. That's all I'm saying.

[VP Baltar]

Dear god Quadz’s claim is bad.

Yeah, the simplest answer is the correct one here.

So you just realized because I’ve suddenly called you scummy. How convienant.

No, not at all. I wanted to look at your iso to see what you had said about quadz earlier to see if you were fighting hard to stop his lynch since you claimed it was so bad. Then I noticed you stopped posting on May 5, so I wanted to see if that was consistent across the boards. DINGALING, it wasn't. The story you provide is one possible answer to that. However, how exactly was the game state here not more pressing than your other games? Quadz, a mislynch in your opinion, was getting run up fast and probably would have been lynched before the weekend was over. Presumably by all the scum reads you have. I don't quite get how you didn't have the time to make a 5 minute post here telling people they shouldn't be mislynching him, but you made however many other posts else where. It's not like you had one or two posts either. That I could understand. You were posting frequently throughout the weekend. It's plausible you're town, but I'm just saying it looks convenient for someone who is now so hardcore against the quadz-scum lynch.

@VPB – You’ve completely brushed off the notion (as Conspiracy) that the Battery life of 50% isn’t the result of a scum power. I want you to directly address whether you believe that to be true or not.

I think you're making a lot of assumptions with very little evidence.

[VP Baltar]

I don't think it was a whim. And I stand by what I said about you making assumptions. You have no idea what benefit, if any, was given to scum or town by reducing the battery. I don't believe it's a conspiracy to get quadz lynched however cause he's scum.

[VP Baltar]

Reason number 456 to finish quadz now: It will stop Fate caps raging.

[VP Baltar]

I'm not sold that MoI is scum here Fate. If VV isn't, then he probably is, but let's focus on ramming this quadz lynch through first.

[VP Baltar]

Now we play which wagon will save you from this lynch.

Hint: none

[VP Baltar]

I...don't even get what you're saying. In other news, why am I scum?

[VP Baltar]

Hey Magua, why is it that you have nothing to say about the quadz claim even though you called for it? I'd like your assessment of his abilities please.

[VP Baltar]

DDD, hammer. It will make InternetStranger jealous.

[VP Baltar]

And plum claims cred even though she wasn't on the wagon. A toast to her.

[VP Baltar]

I'm being serious. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt about computer probs cause that happens, but I still see some talk about quadz being scum in your iso and nary a vote in his direction. Luckily, I find you less scummy for that than a few others.

[VP Baltar]

Who do you think bussed Quadz sera? I mean, I don't see a possible candidate apart from VP who doesn't look his usual townie self, and even that doesn't seem as likely as plum scum. The whole after the hammer thing looks very fake.

lol, you fucking mad? I was pushing quadz lynch since the game started. I fucking called singer out for her avoidance of the wagon. I called hito as scum since a long time ago. I guess I have to lynch the entire team to be town. You're crazy. I like you, but you're crazy.

- Magua - Hito links plus Magua defending Quadz Looks bad but would scum be that blatantly obvious was the thought I had (then again Hito scum was obvious too)

This is a major question for me too. I have a feeling quadz was something special for the scum team that they really did not want to lose. That's the only thing I can make of it. I don't like magua much this game because he really was dodging the quadz wagon and not saying much of anything yesterday. His slip bullshit was a crappy push yesterday.

Also, while I remember, seems to me like the setup could be something like 5 Tigers, 1 Tarhalindur, lots of town vigs. Just my thoughts.

VOTE: VP Baltar

That slip still reads like a slip. Plus inquiries detailed below make him not a bad choice based on what flipped scum have said regarding other players in this game. More rereading to come/cordial discussions with the lot of you who think I'm scum or whatnot.

lol, good luck with that one scumbag.

This list follows from PoE. For and against points for each of them being scum listed at the side. I've arranged the player's in increasing order of scumminess.
VPB
- Against: Post 848 where he lists Quadz, hito and singer as scum reads

Hrrrmm? I call three scums and that makes me scum? I don't even...
What exactly are your reasons for thinking I'm scum, because I see zero reasons there?

@Sera - Ray really looks like scum to me, especially with his parama vote now and his pretty much complete ignorance of all those scum flips. Plum-ray are the leading suspects for the remaining tigers.

vote:Plum

[VP Baltar]

ooba - I think we're far along enough in the game that it's time to stop relying on gut reads because your gut doesn't look very accurate to me. For instance, Ray and Plum look really terrible after all the scum flips that have happened. Even Magua deserves some serious consideration since we've seen the scum were making a concerted effort to save quadz (for what reason, I can't even tell). Perhaps they faithed him up for some power move. He said he had checked N0 if he could stockpile faith, which makes me think that he might have been powered up for a super kill or something.

Anyhow, tl;dr, we can do much better than gut at this point.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, I had also considered the split scenario..which is what Vi did in MoHo and MoCo. The scum could have had some sort of faith powers to merge their groups. If they are split, it could explain the scum trying so hard to save quadz. They may have genuinely believed he was town and were banking on towncred from it. I've made that mistake as scum before (right Zach?)

Also, it's good to see Sottyrulez is town this game. Now we can crack some skulls together.

[VP Baltar]

Also what happened to this? MoI was already on your scumdar and did not vote Quadz. VV flipped town too.

Yeah. I'm internally debating if his quadz defense is legit or not. Don't forget that I pointed out his thread dodging yesterday (which everyone ignored). He's certainly a scum suspect for me. I could see lynching him today possibly.

[VP Baltar]

Do you see scum going "All eggs in one basket?" and using the entire team to protect Quadz. Whatever his power may be - scum wouldn't risk committing the entire team so that they can save one.

To me it depends on if they uber-powered him initially. The split scumteams probably makes more sense, but it's still a possibility that they were trying to power him up and didn't expect the shortened battery/super push on him after the mothrax kill.

[VP Baltar]

I think there are better places to vote than Parama. We have three Tigers dead and I'd like to see some analysis from you regarding that. If you're lazy now, that's cool, but I'd like to see a post when you're not. Basically, you were in the group saying quadz couldn't be scum yesterday when his actions were so obv. scum. I particularly don't like that from you because I trust your scum hunting gut calls like I trust Amished's. So, I need you to either reassure me you're town here (which Parama vote isn't doing) or die a fiery death.

[VP Baltar]

I’m going to have to re-read Plum. And I want to re-read Katsuki / DA in context of all three flipped scum. My gut now is to vote VPB.

lol, well that basically confirms you as scum right there. You of all people should be hailing me as town right now since I fucking pwned you yesterday. You're not this dumb.

Unvote, Vote:MoI

[VP Baltar]

I'm flattered by the comparison to Amished, but keep in mind that my strength lies in m scum play, not my town play. My town play is thoroughly mediocre in results and efficacy.

And when I was scum with you in MoCo you said the opposite didn't you? I don't get it.

[VP Baltar]

Wait I don't get this mutltiple scumfaction thing? What? Hito and Quadz both flipped TIGER, thus they're in the same faction. Hito was defending his scumbuddy on the basis his claim made sense, when it clearly fucking didn't.

It's not multiple scum factions, it's one scum faction that is split into two smaller groups who do not know each other. Vi used this tactic in Mafia of Holy Orders and Mafia of the Chosen Ones. The scum groups in those games had to spend faith points to be united as a single group.

@MoI - idgaf if you like my vote or not. You are scum for a bullshit push on me. See, what scum don't realize 99% of the time is that even if you see people saying "hurr der, I'm suspicious of VPB" there isn't a realistic chance of my wagon happening when I'm town. I nailed three fucking scum to the wall in two days. But you saw a few people mention my name in unkindly ways because they're not thinking and you thought 'oh hey, here's my chance at a mislynch that isn't my buddy Plum and/or Ray' Like I said, if you were town, you'd be apologizing to me after you got your ass handed to you on the quadz issue yesterday. Instead you bit at what you thought was a potential wagon and outted yourself. Now you'll try to wall and demand reasoning for your lynch. Not gonna happen brotha, so I'd save my breath if I was you.

@Faraday - MoI just outted himself as scum, your thoughts?

[VP Baltar]

@ Ray -Faraday is town. Move on. Your gut reads have already been shown to be bad this game, perhaps its time to consider things in a wider light. I'm seriously giving you huge benefit of the doubt this game.

[VP Baltar]

wider light, as in, everything you seem to be saying is wrong. As in, maybe vote MoI or Plum to get on my good side. That or make a case that's convincing based upon the scum flips we have. Something cause I'm not ever going to buy Faraday scum...ever.

I'm not really sure on the faith thing. I'm debating it. We've done well so far not claiming it, but we may also be at a point today where town has exhausted a lot of its power moves already and it'd be a better play to try to confirm some people through faith totals and/or night actions. It's hard to say, but my gut kinda says no as it might be too beneficial to the scum still even though their numbers were greatly reduced last night.

[VP Baltar]

Faraday - don't ignore my question to you about MoI, bebe....

[VP Baltar]

I would potentially back a full massclaim, but I think the main town players (DDD, sottyrulez, seraphim, Faraday, etc.) all need to agree to this for us to move ahead with it. Like I said, right now I think it's at a tipping point whether it's optimal or not, so I'd like to see agreement from the most townie players before we move on this.

@Faraday - that's his scum meta. He thinks he can wall people off of him. It's all smoke and mirrors that's pretty easy to see through.

@MoI - lol, keep posting bro. Still not reading it and my vote is still there.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, that's my worry with massclaim too. We could be too cocky about it right now since we nailed three scum. Don't want the momentum to be blown.

[VP Baltar]

@DDD - my main experience with Magua is from Percy's Stars Aligned II. He was a very good scum player there. He tends to focus on strategy as either alignment I think. I think he can be a strong player as either alignment, so his performance this game doesn't do much for me.

@ooba - I think both of them need to contribute a lot more. NS really hasn't done much of anything. I don't quite follow your AGM-hito-NS link, but I could see him as lurky scum regardless of that. DA was on quadz, but they were also kind of reluctant from what I recall. I need to read back over them from yesterday to see how genuine I think their play was. I will get back to you on that when I get a chance.

[VP Baltar]

Um, why exactly?

[VP Baltar]

Implying you know my night action. Which, if you actually do have an insight into any potential action I took last night ( who I targeted, what action I used etc.) I'm unsure of why you're asking me to claim.

[VP Baltar]

Sorry, that's not entirely clear. If you have insight, you should know I'm town is what i"m saying.

[VP Baltar]

Frankly, I don't think you have the sway to bully night actions. So, I suggest you give me a better reason than that brosef. How's about this, since you apparently do know my night action last night, give me a reason why you doubt it was a town action. If I think it's a legit doubt, I will claim my night action last night. Deal?

[VP Baltar]

Meh. I don't see the value in outting any potential power I have at this point. You get town members behind you (and by that I mean the people I've already named as sure town) and I'll fullclaim for all I care. Until then, i see the potential of keeping my role secret to potentially out scum. I'm biased of course, but I'm also operating on better info than you are.

[VP Baltar]

Additionally, I hope you realize that if I claim, you damn well better be prepared to full claim as well.

[VP Baltar]

Potentially putting a target on my back for a NK, therefore I'd rather full claim if info is coming out.

[VP Baltar]

Like I said, get some town cred son, then get back to me.

[VP Baltar]

lol

[VP Baltar]

TEEHEHEHE

/ENDORSES MOI LYNCH

KEKEKEKEKEKE

[VP Baltar]

You know, I don't understand how people can look at people who are pushing the deaths of 2-3 scum at a time and say "herpaderp dats bussing" You guys better be scum or you should just stop playing this game altogether.

[VP Baltar]

You know, I don't understand how people can look at people who are pushing the deaths of 2-3 scum at a time and say "herpaderp dats bussing" You guys better be scum or you should just stop playing this game altogether.

You know, MoI is scum and like "oh fuck VP and Fate are rapinz our teamz... LETS CALL EM SCUM BUSSORZ" when we're really just a pair of competent townies with badass reads, amirite VP OR AMIRITE?

You right, bro. *daps*

Watch 'em scramble.

[VP Baltar]

The good part about all these vigs running around is that even if a scum like MoI escapes the noose today, he'll still get shot in the face. Tough luck on the draw homey. PEW PEW.

[VP Baltar]

DDD, get in here and vote MoI-scum.

@ooba - I'm not sold on the DA scum train yet. The fate posts from them have a townish ring to them.

[VP Baltar]

Hi sottyrulez, MoI revealed him as scum with his poo-wagon attempt on me. THINGS CHANGE.

Also, what are your thoughts on massclaiming today?

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, I agree about Plum too, but they are probably both scum and he'd be lulzy to lynch MoI today first so he had to eat his ego once again.

[VP Baltar]

*it'd be lulzy

[VP Baltar]

lol @ how pathetic MoI-scum is. Your biggest weak point as scum is how much you flip out when people don't buy your BS straight away. Just a future tip.

[VP Baltar]

I'd like my town reads to say whether they want me to claim my N2 action as Magua is requesting.

@MoI - you may as well give up, cause as I said before, your empty points are empty and I don't really care.

[VP Baltar]

Clearly Magua is intimating a track or watch, so if people really want to know my N2 action we may as well get it on the table.

[VP Baltar]

ooba - I think you're town too, I'd like your opinion on whether you'd like my N2 action or not.

[VP Baltar]

Hint hint: I won't be lynched today.

Also, Plum, is that supposed slip really the best scumhunting you have in this entire game. Seriously?

@Faraday - would you like my N2 action or not?

[VP Baltar]

Meh, I think Magua is town out of the quadz backers, so I'd like to prob straighten out whatever BS he's confused about. Let me just be clear, by N2 you mean last night correct? Not the second night N1. The problem with me claiming is that you need to out yourself after because I'm not simply going to let you force a claim and not provide damn good reasoning as to why you requested it.

[VP Baltar]

I honestly don't have any clue why he'd want that claim. That's why I was asking him earlier to give me some sort of private insight that only I would understand as to why he would want that. He won't provide it and that's making me torn about it. I totally agree that scum wouldn't want to go 1v1 at this point.

[VP Baltar]

I shot hitogoroshi last night. So that's 3/3 of my dead scum reads that have flipped scum. Again, don't see in any way how you think that makes me scum. Any other people out there with vig abilities should not claim, fyi.

[VP Baltar]

Also, I wouldn't mind being powered up for more shooting tonight now that one of my abilities has been outted.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, let's get it out there.

[VP Baltar]

I'm debating if I should just claim both of my domains...that way town members can worship whichever domain helps themselves and me in the process. This is a precautionary measure in case I die, which is likely now. Additionally, since I have the target on my back, I will claim all my night actions if people think it's beneficial. I'll keep my abilities and alignment to myself for now.

[VP Baltar]

I don't have Justice or Balance, ooba...sorry.

I do think either of my domains could be matched with DGB or Fate...def not hito. I'll wait for some other people to weigh in with their thoughts.

Night actions:
N0-worshipped one of my domains
N1- decreased the battery by 50%. I gained something from this and its my main thing I didn't want the scum to be able to claim if I'm dead. I didn't worry about doing it because I wanted quadz dead and there wasn't much discussion needed for that.
N2-shot hito as stated.

[VP Baltar]

It's an ability. I can do it tonight if I choose. Well, I may as well just claim that bit of it. I gain 1 faith for every 10 percent I decrease the battery, up to a maximum of 50%.

[VP Baltar]

I'm not going to claim the ability name because that would give away my role.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, I gained the faith for N2. I didn't gain sufficient faith N1 even with my self worship. Therefore I wanted to guarantee I could shoot N2 by boosting my own faith. It was really the perfect night to use it since quadz was scum.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, I understand the concern for that. I'm not the SK and I'm quite certain I'll be dead soon anyhow. MoI or Plum are great lynches today.

[VP Baltar]

Also, I was crumbing that I messed with the battery a lot in my fight with MoI over it.

[VP Baltar]

You can worship Solism for me. I'm assuming Fate would have had that.

[VP Baltar]

I may have an awesome plan, but I need to eat dinner and think about it. Don't lynch until I hash it out.

[VP Baltar]

Ok, to know my plan I'm simply going to full claim. I'm the high priest of ABR. The battery ability I already outlined is called Cruel Rampage. It's my only active ability.

My Cast abilities are as follows:

3 Faith - Project Rampage - I can target up to five players and if they're not Good (whatever that means) and they choose to worship, they worship me. Now the thing that is weird about this is that it says they worship me, not one of my domains. I'm not sure how this affects me...perhaps it gives me a permanent faith boost or something. idk.

3 Faith -Way of the Rampage - This is the single vig shot I used last night.
4 Faith - Invincible Rampage - This makes me untargetable the following night. Almost used this last night, but hito was too scummy not to die.
7 Faith - R-survival - Double vig shot...this is what I was hoping for by reducing the battery, but I didn't gain enough faith from it.
10 Faith - Dominating Rampage - I get three vig shots.

Now, you're asking why have I full claimed. Well, my guess is that there is a doc out there somewhere who just may have enough faith for a protect tonight. My suggestion to the town is that I use the battery ability again (we can start talking about tomorrow's lynch today if we'd like to have a head start) so I gain 5 faith out of the gates. If I can manage 5 worships, that will give me enough for dominating rampage. I think i can effectively clear the board of scum and serial killer the following night if I live through tonight.

I've kind of been thinking about it, and I think MoI might be the SK here, but I'm not sure on that. I'm also kind of worried about DDD to say the least. It's not natural for me to be worried about him, so that probably says something. It seems likely that the SK would have been on quadz lynch.

The good thing about my plan is that there have to be other vigs out there. Even if we ended up a bit in a pinch, we'd still have a shot. I don't think we would though, as I think my scumdar is on fire this game. Thoughts, questions, concerns?

[VP Baltar]

I've given my one domain, Solism. I'm not entirely sure if it's worthwhile revealing my other...though perhaps? I'd like to hear more thoughts about my actual plan and then I can talk about my other domain if needed.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, on both those numbers.

[VP Baltar]

But you guys need to say if you're prepared to lynch that quickly. I can totally understand if more time for discussion is needed. However, I think it'd be easy to knock out the MoI and Plum lynches.

[VP Baltar]

I'd take a double vig kill too. Alright, I am going to bed. You guys can discuss tonight and let me know in the morning.

[VP Baltar]

yeah, I think splitting the worships is safer in case scumbags have some super kill that can stop a doc protect or something. Double vig should be fine.

[VP Baltar]

I think I should have enough faith to make VP a PGO tonight.

I am down with this as well. If you're reasonably certain you'll have enough faith (don't tell us any details), just power me up with that and the doc can protect someone else tonight. Neither the Tigers or the SK are going to target me for a kill if they are going to get shot right back. They don't have the numbers.

Right. VPB's abilities lean SK over Town to me

Sure thing darlin'. I was scum for my QT knowledge, now I'm SK cause I just made you look pretty stupid for your weak wagon attempt on me. You scums have too much pride to go slinking away now. Get your buddy MoI over here to back you on this line of malarky. I'll just shoot you both in the face anyhow.

Sottyrulez is my newest addition to the scumlist.

wtf? No. You guys just lost all credibility of your reads with this.

Also VP is TOTALLY Tahlridaniur with his ABR fake-claim.

Also this. The idea of giving an SK the chance to shorten the day and shoot 3 people is outrageous from a balance perspective. Leave it to you though, Fate. I'm not going to back you anymore when you're town cause you always turn on me stupidly and then you'll be all apologetic after the game. Well not this time! No GreyICE to back you and I have a bullet with your name on it!

Don't worry if town keeps playing like this shit and LOLLYNCH ALL DA BUSSORZ, you'll be in a PD that town SHOULD give you over scum.

Nah, my next shot is going to dispense great justice. You'll see.

I'd rather not power up Ray with all of his begging to be powered up. He's probably scum that feels he's headed for the shitter, so let's avoid that.

[VP Baltar]

I'm not 100% on ray scum yet, he COULD just be playing really badly here (unlikely, I know), but MoI and Plum look pretty much confirmed scum here. I'd be willing to lynch them in whatever order. Maybe they can plead their cases as to why they should live now that I effectively pants them with my claim.

[VP Baltar]

I was referring to your scumhunting being terrible here. Which you're not terrible. I know self-deprecation is a good game to play as scum when you want people off your back, but I know your abilities and they aren't nearly as bad as you like to downplay them. Also, you better no claim anything.

@DDD - can you expand on what you said about other personalities in this game messing with our reads of each other. I don't quite understand.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, but I mean, myself and others have basically put this game into easy mode. I don't see why you're having so much trouble. Anyhow, ready to hear your thoughts after reading.

[VP Baltar]

Since I only need two worships for my double vig, I wouldn't mind having two v. likely town and the rest v. likely scum on my team. That way the scum are either forced to worship Solism or build more incriminating data against themselves. Thoughts?

[VP Baltar]

hint, scum wouldn't have roleblocked you Magna. You be da scumz. Good effort at a last second push against me. You die today.

[VP Baltar]

well if you want to be derpy and think I'm the SK, that's cool. I have signed my own death warrant by claiming anyhow. I plan to be killed off by scum the same night I get my shots off, so it's no sweat off of my back.

[VP Baltar]

re: PGO - If seraphim is reasonably certain he can target me with that, I'd take it. Scum may have an unblockable kill ability or something that can pierce doc protects, but they are unlikely to risk targeting me if they think they're going to eat one in return.

[VP Baltar]

NO, don't claim. we've had too much come out today and we may need some aces in the hole later. It's not necessary for you to claim.

[VP Baltar]

grr, now that I'm thinking of it, I could see a town player blocking MoI after his shittiness on the quadz lynch. Bleh. He might be telling the truth. Maybe we should lynch Plum today.

[VP Baltar]

Alright, I get you. You have to learn to accept Fate into your heart. He's easy to read and much less annoying than if you try to fight him.

[VP Baltar]

My reluctance to claim my other domain is because I don't want to give the scum more opportunity to worship themselves while hiding behind a worship of me. It's a tactical move that may catch people not following through on their worships. Not likely, but still a chance. Solism definitely fits with ABR if you've ever played with him. My understanding of the domains is that they are meant to represent character traits rather than anything to do with alignment.

Regardless, if a majority wants my other domain I'll gladly give it.

re: town RB claim - no, if I was town RB I definitely wouldn't claim. MoI needs to die at some point regardless of if he was blocked by town or not.

[VP Baltar]

yep

[VP Baltar]

This is why plum isn't town. When she's town, she makes sense.

[VP Baltar]

@Seraphim - can you make sure your PGO ability would be active on me the same night you grant it. Want to make sure.

[VP Baltar]

@Seraphim - can you make sure your PGO ability would be active on me the same night you grant it. Want to make sure.

VP sets up a reason for his being alive tomorrow.

Magna is a tiger, VP is SK.

Ah no, the point is for me to live so I can shoot the following night. AFter that I don't give a shit if I die. It's critical I live through tonight though.

Unvote, Vote: Plum

More confident that she's scum than MoI now.

[VP Baltar]

VPB did everything to not claim earlier today. Pretty much plain as Day. Your unspoken role information put him in a VERY hard spot.

Trust me, I had way more pull than Magua at that time and had I not wanted to claim to get it out of the way, I'm sure I could have gotten away with not doing it. Additionally, I had NO REASON to full claim. Like I said before, you had better be scum because your play is simply terrible otherwise.

@ooba - what does it matter what domain you boost of mine? Any domain you have gives you faith. Also, Vi would never put an ability in the game where you auto win by casting it. Jesus.

[VP Baltar]

I explained why I didn't claim my other domain. But regardless, to end this pointless debate, I will. My other domain is Will, which is also a character trait of ABR.

[VP Baltar]

@Magua - Seriously, Plum is scum here. Listen to Sottyrulez if you don't trust my judgement.

[VP Baltar]

why Worship one of your own Domains Night 0?

So I could vig obv? Why wouldn't I worship my own domain N0? Should I have randomly worshipped another domain and hoped someone from the town had it? Continue not making sense

[VP Baltar]

meh, so I messed up with my N0 action. Regardless, I still killed scum and I'm still town. If another person vigged hito, I'm sure they would have countered me, yeah?

[VP Baltar]

I don't care if you think I'm the SK, frankly. Nor have I ever. Still doesn't make any sense to lynch me over Tigers today. Once I shoot tiger and/or SK tomorrow, you can lynch me for all I care. So you can herp a derp all you want over a messed up night action, I'm still not getting lynched today. Doesn't that just eat you up inside.

[VP Baltar]

We're boosting me because I'm going to win this shit for town. There is a limited few of us that have been dragging the rest of you kicking and screaming to victory, so I don't expect that to change. Also, I like how you keep moving the goalposts re: my domains ooba.

[VP Baltar]

How many scum have you been responsible for the death of, MoI? Thought so.

[VP Baltar]

Again, don't care about my own death and it makes zero sense for me to have claimed anything if I were the SK. Believe it or not, I'm not terrible at this game MoI. If you believe I'm SK, then that's your choice and I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. It would be absolutely impossible for me to win as SK at this point. Therefore, I will shoot some scum and then die. That should be something you find agreeable if you're town. Yes?

@ooba - I've found your reads to be terrible throughout the game (Plum-town being the worst), but I wasn't giving you shit because you were innocuously wrong. At this point, messing up me shooting the rest of the scum is something I'm actively against. I'll play full ABR here and try to kill all the scum for my own glory and bragging rights. I'm a character actor if you'd like. Learn to see the big picture my friend.

[VP Baltar]

you are lolflailscum and have been all game? Your play here is basically identical to your scum play in Mafia Holographica. The idea of VPB will kill anyone he can get away with is dumb. Even if I managed to gain my triple vig tonight (which I wouldn't and suggested I only take the double to out more scumz), I'd never have the numbers to win. How are you incapable of understanding that?

Also, to ooba, you need to realize that even if you don't like the personality I approach this game with, that doesn't make me scum. Rise above such a narrow approach as likability = town.

[VP Baltar]

Also, I like the fear tactics, Plum ....here comes the redirect claim! Oh noez! I hear the Bush clan is looking for staffers to make a 2012 run, you should sign up.

I'm agreeable to you dying ... absolutely. But I'm not going to vote for myself

Then vote Plum...guarantee you I don't make it beyond tomorrow night. And I've been calling you terrible because your play the last two times I've seen you is atrocious...sorry, bro. It is what it is. I think you're in a slump and you've been playing p. badly and way too arrogantly lately. Like it or lump it. I just call it as I see it.

[VP Baltar]

The idea of a botched claim is stupid. I claimed what I did. Turns out I messed up...it's not unheard of, nor would it have mattered for my abilities anyhow. Re: 1v1 - I've told you why I disagree on that. Finally, my point was that I do think you're getting confused because you don't like how I play. I understand I can be a bit rough around the edges when I'm trying to get people to wise up and make smart choices, but being aggressive and trying to win =/= scum traits necessarily.

[VP Baltar]

I don't see the point in outting more domains now that you've got both of mine. There is no guarantee a two living players share any single domain.

[VP Baltar]

Again, I reiterate, whether you think I'm SK or not is irrelevant. If I am, then you're simply going to have an easier time winning as town. I can't win if I was, and I have demonstrated I'm out to kill scum. Use common sense.

[VP Baltar]

Also, I would have a fake claim better than Solism. derp. Trust the people who have played Vi games before.

[VP Baltar]

ooba, I only need two worships to get a double vig. it's not like I'm redirecting people away from powering you up. I'm not saying you're trying to lynch me. I'm saying you're trying to divert from me doing my job, which is killing scum.

[VP Baltar]

Plum, what exactly would be my motivation for killing townies over tigers at this point? That's what you completely fail to address in your fearmongering wall posts. You can repeat yourself all you like, it doesn't make sense.

Your play here resembles holographica because you've been lurky and when you've posted it's been weaksauce malarky. It's your scum meta.

re: fakeclaims - p. much every Vi game I've ever been in with flavor, she writes a fakeclaim for you upon request. Which you should know having been scum in her games before.

Wall posts are unnecessary.

[VP Baltar]

I don't need a wall post on your opinions of Holographica, so you can spare yourself the trouble.

Re: Tigers - if I don't shoot Tigers the following night, then lynch me. Problem (that never existed) solved.

Re: fakeclaims - if Vi wrote me a fakeclaim, I'm sure it's be better than to give me a domain that sounds like a SK. Yeah?

[VP Baltar]

I don't give a damn about scumhunting...after I called 3 scum and killed 2. I can't be trusted clearly.

[VP Baltar]

quadz and hito. As much as you guys want to say VP parked his vote and did nothing, I was actively calling for quadz' death from the start.

[VP Baltar]

[VP Baltar]

Full claiming of your own volition with no pressure is "getting busted."
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lol

[VP Baltar]

I don't give a damn about scumhunting...after I called 3 scum and killed 2. I can't be trusted clearly.

Let me rephrase that. You give a damn about scumhunting in general in this because you're the SK. You don't give a damn about my alignment despite your fervent exclamations that I'm scum and that I should be lynched or killed. Dress it up in as many sneers as you like, but you haven't pretended to care to engage with discussions about my alignment today because you've already decided I'm a decent target.

Look, Plum, I like you and I think you're a great player, but frankly the amount of desperation in your posts is simply too ridiculous for me to believe coming from town. I've played with you recently in close quarters and you're damn thoughtful. You're not here. Like, at all. Your entire reason for attacking me in the first place was "QT slip therefore he's Tigers." And you clung to that like a life preserver until my claim basically destroyed that. At that juncture, a town-Plum would likely check her biases at the door and make some reconsiderations. But what happened? Now I'm lol-SK that can kill multiple players a night, drain the battery, gain permanent faith by being worshipped and I'm probably NK-immune too I'm sure. Plus I'm going to claim my kills were redirected for what reason I can't even tell AND I willingly outted myself when we're nowhere near lylo. None of this makes any kind of logical sense. So yeah, I don't really feel like engaging you on your terms when your general approach has been that no matter what I say it's some newly contrived way I'm scum.

Same goes for you MoI. The reason why I'm bashing your play so hard is because I find it completely ridiculous that you ignore all logic if you're town. It's completely ludicrous and you're standing there with a straight face going 'Gee VP, why don't you want to debate the merits if this monstrosity of lunacy I'm unable to let go of?'

Hell, I even gave you guys the benefit of the doubt and said go ahead and think of me as an SK if you'd like. I can't win even if that were true! So what does it matter? You want to be right because you think I'm an asshole or because you're scared I'm going to shoot you? Honestly, I don't even know why I'm bothering to type all this out because I can already guess what either of your responses would be.

PEW PEW

Also, to everyone else, be thinking of your top vig picks for tomorrow. Since it's going to be a shortened day, I want everyone to be ready to make suggestions on who they want me to kill and why. You could be the lucky winner! (Don't say them today, because then scum can WIFOM on the NKs) And, in case it wasn't painfully obvious, other town vigs should probably hold off shooting...at least until we crunch some numbers and see where two kills by me tomorrow night would put us at.

[VP Baltar]

I haven't lied at all. I don't get why you keep using this rhetoric like I was caught out on a lie. Every action and ability I've claimed is 100% true. You are welcome to not believe anything I've said, but that doesn't make it a lie.

Also, the argument that 'anything is possible,' while being true, is the exact kind of thing scum say. I think given the facts and my general openness about everything regarding my role, you don't have that much reason to suspect I'm not telling the truth about the abilities I've listed. Two of my actions are already confirmed. There isn't really that much wiggle room to say I'm playing some huge gambit.

[VP Baltar]

I expect good content or I'm going to consider shooting you, NS. No pressure!

[VP Baltar]

Also, once I get my vig powers I plan to be using one bullet to shoot the SK. I think I have a good idea of who it is.

[VP Baltar]

Well, if one of my kills goes through and the other doesn't, I guess we'll have pretty good info on who the SK is then, yeah?

[VP Baltar]

Magua can post the final night plan. As I said before, I'd prefer two very town players to be on my worship team (Sottyrulez and Faraday?) and the rest to be slightly or highly suspicious people. This will most likely either give us an idea of scum worshiping each other tonight or force their hand into powering me up.

@ooba - can you point that post out to me specifically, I believe I missed whatever you're talking about. Thank you.

[VP Baltar]

Parama - who do you think is the SK?

[VP Baltar]

well, MoI's probably going to be dead. not enough people think Plum is scum for it to happen today I think. I hope reconsiderations are made tomorrow.

[VP Baltar]

I prefer Magua's strict plan because it has less wiggle room for scum to wifom why they didn't power up. Controlling night actions is crucial.

[VP Baltar]

Perhaps, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the Tigers are in 'ban together at all costs' mode. Meaning that they could simply corroborate each other's claims. Majority can decide on the issue.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, but what other options do they have is my point. I know if I was Tigers, I'd be going for the high-risk, high-reward buddying at this point because playing it safe and/or buddying is just going to lead to a loss.

[VP Baltar]

Three days of massive posting and the battery is under 50%....scum definitely are causing shenanigans with this. Since we'll be starting the day with 50% battery tomorrow, I think it'd be very wise if everyone is here and ready to vote as soon as the day opens tomorrow.

[VP Baltar]

^bingo

[VP Baltar]

He's saying that Magua seems to know everyone that made kills N2. Hence his 'I feel better about Ray now' comment. The fact that he wants NS killed tonight implies he knows NS killed as well. If that's the case and all the other kills have been claimed, it implies NS killed Gamma, which means we should just lynch him today.

[VP Baltar]

For the record, NS was my top secret SK guess, so we can compare our pee pees depending on his alignment

[VP Baltar]

I could just be on crazy pills too.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, it's definitely a narrative where I'm filling in the blanks, so I could be wrong for sure. That being said, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Magua had intended to keep his ability a secret by only coming after the person he found the scummiest initially. That way he could potentially get a scum lynch and see if anyone was consistently killing across multiple nights (implying a vig or SK and not scum).

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, my internal debate last night was between vigging hito and Vas. so I find it a plausibility for another vig to consider the same.

[VP Baltar]

Deal - but what if he's town?

We'll have to sing chorus with Faraday.

[VP Baltar]

AGM, have you done anything but argue with fate this entire game?

[VP Baltar]

^ agree with dat

[VP Baltar]

What would you say you've done this game. Give me the bullet points.

[VP Baltar]

ftr, I wasn't calling you scum, I just can't remember anything you did aside from bitch about Fate. It just struck me as odd. As does that post where you act like I'm flipping out on you.

Who do you think the SK is?

[VP Baltar]

lol, wtf is wrong with you people. Especially you Magua.

I like how MoI goes into survival mode since he already barred himself from the Plum wagon. 'Oh shi-, been riding my VPB vote and that's not happening...I'm gonna attack DDD for active lurking'.

quadz school of Mafia for Beginners

[VP Baltar]

Unvote, Vote:MoI

In case it was still on Plum.

[VP Baltar]

@AGM - I read your posts. Was asking if your thoughts changed.

[VP Baltar]

L-1 I think

[VP Baltar]

^5

Highly anticipating this "town" flip.

You're welcome, Vi.

[VP Baltar]

Someone waste this fool.

[VP Baltar]

Thanks for modding a fun game, Vi. Also, for making me super badass killing machine.

Congrats to Faraday because you played a great game that had everyone fooled. I still don't feel that Plum made the right move by shooting. Day phases are the town's friend, even if suspicion is pointing at you. Faraday had his action confirmed, but not his alignment...that's what screwed us up there unfortunately.

@Faraday - I noticed I still don't get it.

In hindsight, I probably shouldn't have caved to Magua's pressure and should have kept my role private, but I was hoping to cut of suspicion at the hilt to get the town on track and I figured I could either draw a doc protect or WIFOM the scum enough to make them think I was drawing a doc protect and not kill me. We all kind of bungled that when Seraphim didn't get any faith though. It's unfortunate because NS and Parama were high up in my next pool of vig targets.

Oh well, I had fun playing with everyone and hope to get another game with you guys soon.