Speed Mafia (Game Over, who won?)
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@Kat, I also don't like how you are saying you are "bussing" because only scum bus. I don't know if you are trying to be funny. I don't see it as a slip. I see it as someone caught that is doing their damndest to make Almaster either (a) not look like scum after you are dead or (b) look like scum after you are dead. (It's like pre WIFOM )-------------------------------------
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I am going to bed now. If I have time, I will post in the morning. This will be my availability schedule for the remainder of the game (all times central):
Weekdays
Mornings (7a.m.-7:30a.m.)
Evenings (6p.m.-10:00p.m.)
Weekends
Often
Exceptions
May 12 and 19 - likely not available until 7:30p.m. (daughter's dance class)
May 20 - unavailable (daughter's dress rehearsal and Pre-K graduation)
May 21 - spotty (daughter's recital)
Mondays beginning June 13 - likely not available until 7:30p.m. (new dance class schedule)
All I know for now, will make aware if there are any other changes [way too much information, sorry]-------------------------------------
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@evilpacman - I am not understanding this "case" you have on me and DGB/Camn. In your "scenario" I assume I am the trusted town player since I have been called town a few times. So therefore you are claiming that I have said or implied that DGB/camn are town. The only thing I have said about DGB/camn is asking if they are a hydra. DGB called me town. But so did Spyrex and Reck. Why are you tunneling on DGB/camn? I don't think your "case" is scummy quite yet but it makes zero sense. In fact, I counter that DGB very well may be scum because the only game I have played with DGB in the past, she did something similar. She was scum, she called populartajo and a few others "obvtown" very early on (he was) and targeted me relentlessly because I was half-assing the game and was thus an easy target. Now, this is all circumstantial because I have not played with DGB town and would need to research it a bit more. Game in reference: http://www.mafiascum.net/archive/viewtopic.php?t=10894
@Haylen - my timezone is central, my schedule is posted somewhere (read my iso).-------------------------------------
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evilpacman18 wrote:
CrimpingNoofball wrote:Jules and Our obv-townieness.
No scum says this. Hence my town read.
But I just referenced a game where she did EXACTLY that. I am not saying she is scum but aren't you just doing what you said that she was doing with me? You are calling her obv-town. I don't get you at all. But I will drop it I guess since it isn't a "case".
Cobblerfone 223 wrote:Ah man. IDK. Should I vote Katsuki, even though the only reason I think Kats might be scum is because of what other players who's alignments I don't know have said? (Though Kats's lynch could help form reads, I'm not sure.)
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I'll still post and question and defend as necessary, of course.
wow this is perhaps the scummiest thing I have read all game and almost makes me think Kat is town.
Scenario 1: Kat is town - Holy crap is that some scum waffling about pushing a wagon that scum knows is gonna be a mislynch
Scenario 2: Kat is scum - Then maybe not so scummy :/
Part 2 is also way over the top trying to look town. Seriously, if Kat dies and flips town, I am coming after you.
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I don't like the argument about Amrun posting after Spy questioned where she was. All her responses to the line of questioning seem townie.
populartajo wrote:i dislike when people post when they are going to post, but posting is overall ok.
I guess I could see if I posted that I wasn't going to be on a lot but my schedule shows I might not be able to post for 1 day. It is speed mafia and I had hoped others would follow suit so I could hold them accountable for lurking (as I expect you all to do to me if I lurk).
[Through 250: I see Kat is at L-1 and want this post to post before night. I will finish this page and post more if necessary in case of a hammer]-------------------------------------
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Only other thing I see of note in the last page is
Cobblerfone wrote:If katsuki flips scum, I am going to feel so stupid.
Cobbler is COMPLETELY blowing my read on Kat.
All the cool kids are doing list so here is mine
Town
Juls
SpyreX
Amrun
populartajo
Townier than the majority
Benmage
CrimpingNoofball
Unknown
xRECKONERx
Haylen
evilpacman18
Lowell
The Mask
Magister Ludi
Sathoris
Scummier than the majority
AlmasterGM - too much weirdness surrounding him. Vibe more than evidence at this point.
kanyeknowsbest - why anyone has him in their town column after 3 posts of nothing in 12 pages is beyond me.
WingDamage9001 - see kanye
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Katsuki - either or with Kat
Cobblerfone - either or with Kat-------------------------------------
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I think they are both scummy but not scum together. I am not derailing the Kat lynch. I am at a point where I think Cobbler is more scummy than Kat. My scum read on Cobbler is because he is posting "scummy". My scum read on Kat is she is posting "not townie and not scum hunting".-------------------------------------
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@AGM, you are the only one I have had a "weird read" on. And you failed to highlight the second part that it is more vibe than evidence. Primarily it's your interactions with Spyrex which comes off as buddying and the whole "Kat bussing" thing is not sitting well with me.
Not trying to be sneaky about anything either. I will concede my vote switch post may have been unclear but it wasn't sneaky.-------------------------------------
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WingDamage9001 wrote:requesting to be replaced. sorry everyone.
You're replacing as you are confirming in another game? Wow, that's not scummy at all.FOS: the wing replacement
Lowell wrote:cobbler. Not seeing the case on him at all. The whole "OMG wrong cat avatar" thing with amrun seemed pretty genuine to me, as have his posts since. The wagon on him seems like a lazy diversion.
My points on cobbler have nothing to do with his avatar mistake. Here are some quotes:
cobbler wrote:Ah man. IDK. Should I vote Katsuki, even though the only reason I think Kats might be scum is because of what other players who's alignments I don't know have said? (Though Kats's lynch could help form reads, I'm not sure.) Or should I start with the accusations? Even though I have no idea how my D-1 scum-reads might fare?
Oh man, I don't know. Should I jump on this wagon. Let me look like I am unsure about it so I look townie.
cobbler wrote:Ya know, I think I'm gonna keep with a third option and not vote until something interesting pops up.
I'll still post and question and defend as necessary, of course.
Trying too hard to appear thoughtful and careful.
cobbler wrote:If katsuki flips scum, I am going to feel so stupid.
This was the kicker for me. He has set this little series of posts up to either a) Hammer Katsuki after long reflection, or b) Say "see, I wasn't on her wagon, I was thoughtful and careful!" Either way it gives me scum vibes from him. Katsuki in isolation looks bad, I agree 200%. But Katsuki mixed with this guy makes me think he is scum who knows what her flip will be.-------------------------------------
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Personally I would replace Pacman with Sathoris or Alamaster. Pacman gets town points for asking what "scum motivations" would someone have on one of Amrun's arguments.
C-Worl wrote:Also who is Juls and why am I voting him?
Her.
Katsuki wrote:I will post a list before every night of who I'm choosing from.
A lynch could happen at any time. Get to it!
Katsuki wrote:Unvote, Vote: Cobbler
You are hopping on the second largest wagon. You have yet to say WHY YOU think Cobbler is scummy. You have only parrotted others.
Mod: Can hiders be roleblocked?
Reck wrote:Wait hold on.
WD replacing out makes him more scummy?
He is scummy but there are others that are scummy where we learn MUCH more from their lynch.
The Mask wrote:Stay focused, guys. We're having Kats or Cobbler pie today.
This! I feel we learn the other's alignment from the flop. IT MUST BE ONE OF THESE 2.
Reck wrote:Amrun would know Cobble is town and that a hammer would look bad so she's already setting herself up to be absolved.
I made this exact case against Cobble. What do you feel about his doing the same thing?
Reck wrote:I will only vote between Amrun & Katsuki for the remainder of D1. One of them are dying. I choose Amrun over Cobble because an Amrun flip gives more info on Cobble, especially an Amrun-scum flip.
Cobble gives us information on all 3 of these people.But I do believe Amrun to be town at this point.
Amrun wrote:I can read momentum, okay. My lynch is likely to go through and I know that. Either way, I want the opportunity to post my cases. Working on a re-read now.
Really? What makes you think this wagon will succeed?
Haylen on Mask wrote:I also don't like the Cobbler vote without reasons givin
He gave reasons.
Haylen to me wrote:The only thing I have to really ask her is why she has a townie read on Benmage? Because I'm not seeing anything pro-town coming from him at all.
Primarily his aggressiveness and definitive reads. No waffling, he is saying what he feels. I have learned that there are different play styles and I think his is short and to the point. It works for him. It's not my style but it's giving me town vibes.
C-Worl wrote:Juls wrote:
Scum
Katsuki - either or with Kat
Wuh?
Cut and paste error.
AlmasterGM wrote:Also, random thought to get out there, not sure if this is true yet - I have a sneaking suspicion if Katsuki and Amrun are both scum, that Cobbler is town and Juls is scum. She has consistently tried to sneak the wagon away from those two onto Cobbler without any REAL reason for doing so, so I'm pretty skeptical of her motives at this point.
Is it that you don't like my reasons or claiming I don't have any. I have posted them as clearly as I possibly can. I can't help but notice the hate from you started almost immediately after I listed you in my leaning scum column.
@Spy - I love you but you seem to be leading everyone on a wild goose chase. You have FoS'd 3 quarters of the players and keep saying "so-and-so would be a fine lynch". We should all focus and agree on Cobbler or Katsuki in my opinion.-------------------------------------
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Ack...part of my post got cut off (fail cut and paste). Insert this above the previous post.
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Crimp wrote:If behind town, you live, and hard-confirm a townie.
This assumes Kat is town and not fakeclaiming scum. She isn't confirmed until she is dead. For me, she also becomes town if Cobbler is scum.
Mask wrote:Yeah, but read the questionnaire he filled out and compare it to the possible mafia roles here. He made an unwise decision by leaving, but that slot is town.
Unless he was posting that for our benefit.
Spy wrote:
If Kat doesn't get rope hide behind one of:
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Sathoris wrote:The early play from Reck and espeically juls seem intent on catching anyone turning the slighest post into something big.
I won't apologize for scum-hunting quickly in a SPEED game.
Also, if you expect me (or anyone) to be able to respond to you then you are going to need to address people by name or better organize your thoughts. I think you are talking to me in the post above then click the link and its something Reck posted. I can't follow it.-------------------------------------
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I admit, 3/4 is an exageration (Cobble, Amrun, Kat, WD, Pacman with mild on Mask, are the ones I see, is this accurate?). But you are fosing several and it feels like you see a shiny penny and forget about the quarter sitting right in front of you. I would like to see more focus because we don't have time to jump all over the place. It wasn't an accusation but a request.-------------------------------------
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That was my understanding of what Crimp was suggesting here:
CNB wrote:Now, about Katsuki's choices. If Kats hides behind scum and dies, we'll never know who the scum it. What if Kats posts a list of 3 possible night choices? Then we'd have a clue.
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I will admit that saying constantly that she is re-reading doesn't look great on Amrun but her reactions are what make me think she is town.
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1) not arguing with cases on her (the great minutes debate)
2) conceding to her lynch but wanting to get reads in
3) admittance to skimming (I have done it before as town and got in trouble for it as well.)
One thing that is kinda bothering me though (even though I made the suggestion) is that she keeps saying that Kats should hide behind her. My head immediately goes to scum-Amrun wants Kats to hide behind her so that she will die.
Why is everyone ok with the fact that cobbler has a lot of heat on him, he doesn't defend himself at all despite posting in thread?
This is where I am at:
Kats - still doesn't come across as townish to me. Her list was strange and didn't seem to have any thought to it at all. Possibly not even a real list. She sheeps a lot and jokes a lot (not pro-town).
Cobbler - postures around the Kats lynch and has phrasing sometimes that looks like scum trying to be "too townie". Doesn't defend against cases against him. He basically confirms Kats for me as town if he is scum. No way they are together as scum.
Amrun - I see lazy town with the slight possibility of being scum. I don't want to be too stubborn about this since I have been wrong before, but I don't want this lynch. However, I won't let the day end without one, so she would be a last minute vote.
^Obviously there are other scummy people floating around but they have to wait until tomorrow. We have (expired on 2011-05-15 20:30:00) so we need to focus on these 3.-------------------------------------
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What's important is I haveSCUM reads on the Amrun wagonwhich I don't have on the Cobbler wagon.
For clarity this is kinda where I am at. Some of the middle could be in different order.
Town
Juls
CrimpingNoofball
SpyreX
xRECKONERx
populartajo
The Mask
Amrun
evilpacman18
Benmage
Lowell
Magister Ludi
AlmasterGM
Katsuki
kanyeknowsbest
Haylen
C-Worl (replacing WingDamage9001)
Sathoris
Cobblerfone
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