Wizards at the Sorcerers' Den - Endgame

[SGRaaize]

2 pages in and we're already taking this way too seriously.

[SGRaaize]

There's nothing more painful than the start of a big Forum Mafia game, where everyone desperately tries to start a subject.
Someone must be sacrificed by looking scummy so we can start having reads on each other.
Who's up?

[SGRaaize]

Vote: SGRaaize

How about you?

Nah, I look way too Townie for that job. I suggest Chesskid.

[SGRaaize]

Also, my new avatar is supposed to be an Evil Wizzard.

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Surely me having a Evil avatar will make you think I'm just joking and change your mind on your current vote.

[SGRaaize]

Alright guys, I gotta stop you here, I am the Super Mighty Wizzard Merlin, if I get lynched, I act as a bomb and everyone that voted me dies.
You better back off.

[SGRaaize]

Trapped in a game that had caved in.
And everyone knows the only ones left.
Were Gandalf, and me, and Kid3.
When they broke in to pull us three.
The only ones left to tell the tale.
Were Gandalf... and Me....

CHESSKID3
CHESSKID3
Where on earth did you go.
CHESSKID3
CHESSKID3
GOD, WHY DON'T I KNOW!?

Vote: Chesskid3

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Hey Gandalf, where are your breadcrumbs, bro?

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Also, I also gotta reveal my reads, cause all the cool kids are or will be doing it.

Town-read on WC and Icey.
Scum-read on LynchMePlz
Way-Too-Serious-Read on Pine

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I have a simple question, does everyone have at least one damaging ability?

My role PM suggests everyone does.

Please, let's not start discussing powers and shit on D1. Wait at least until N1 and lets watch the world burn.

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Its not a town read, its a Way-Too-Serious-Read. Null, but worth mentioning.

Icey looks town to me because of my fallacy that clearly states "No one that is Mafia tries to get noticed by everyone at the beginning of the day except for me"

LynchMePlz seems to be trying too hard to look town with his "UGHHHHHHH, I HATE RVS" mentality. RVS is awesome, deal w/ it.

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Well, the motives at least. The first sentence seems to promote caution, while the second seems to want chaos.

Basically, I meant: "Let's see how big the shitstorm is at N1 before talking about powers"

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I'm telling you guys, my Merlin superpowers are gonna buttrape all of you.

[SGRaaize]

Vote: SGRaaize

How about you?

Nah, I look way too Townie for that job. I suggest Chesskid.

+

Me not wanting to start voting seriously just yet.

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Real talk: I wonder how much of this BW is people RL'ing for the sake of a RL, people actually thinking I'm scum, people wanting to see me dead cause I am annoying and people taking this as a chance to go for the easy target.

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You know...
A BW is filling up.
Mafia wants Town lynched...
Mafia easily joins the BW that is building up.
Either with a "I don't really need to explain why, do I?" (You) or just bullshit reasoning to justify when A) The BW ends up being on Town B) The BW ends up going nowhere and people start suspecting everyone involved (Dry-fit)

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I would like you to explain all of those reads.

Icey looks townie to me for his first few posts because of his openess to claim a role that is unnerving in itself by the simple stuff that was explained about it (Vote me before voting someone else), its a fallacy, and its WIFOM-A-LICIOUS, but its my read.
WC looks townie by his reaction to Icey's claim.
You look like you're trying too hard.
Pine is taking this way too serious.

Also, I'd like you to explain why exactly you are hunting for a players breadcrumbs.

It was a joke, a reference to another game.

Why are you "the easy target"?

Apparently, I'm being scummy

[SGRaaize]

Apparently, I'm being scummy

To add on this, I'm being Scummy while I'm town.
So... I'm an easy target to a Mafioso BW.

[SGRaaize]

You look like you're trying too hard.
Pine is taking this way too serious.

How are these two things different? Please explain THOROUGHLY.

You're trying hard to look Townie.
Pine was taking small stuff way too seriously.

One involves being scummy, the other is null.

I really can't explain you in other terms.

[SGRaaize]

I have 7 votes on me, I only need 13 to be lynched.
I'm gonna sleep now, if I'm alive by tomorrow, I'l try to analyze the BW on me.

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Call it arrogance, but I don't think I will be lynched this quick for so little.

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Oh boy...
Alright, I'l make a super-ultra-overly-deffensive post soon, as well as the promised read on the BW on me (or former BW, I'm not sure).

*Rereads*

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Let's start with the Over-Deffensive post:

WARNING, WALL OF TEXT WITH META INCOMING

We're literally arguing the exact same thing even by Pine's own admission. In one instance you call it "trying to hard to look Townie" and in the other it's "taking small stuff way too seriously" and you are assigning different levels of scumminess to them. Exactly what in my behavior is 'trying hard to look townie' and how exactly is it different from Pine?

The thing is, my "Way-Too-Serious" read comes from these posts from Pine:

I'm thinking Icey has some kind of ability that can only function against people who have voted for them, or something like that.

Vig please.

As well as:

Extend vig request to include Gandalf, please. WIFOM on page 1 is unappealing.

@Icey: Is GreyICE not a part of the IceyCupcake hydra this time around?

And also:

Not understanding your (quite stupid) schtick is not grounds for ripping off my face.

Vig request retracted, but scum suspicion added on the grounds of overreaction.

In fact, that's why I said this, just after this discussion and before you entered in the frame:

2 pages in and we're already taking this way too seriously.

After that, you entered the frame, voted WC for still trying to go for RVS (Curiously ignoring me, even though I was quoted by WC on the post you quoted doing the exact same thing) and started with the whole "BOO, RVS SUCKS". I didn't suspect Pine as much because Pine agreed with you but didn't seem that bothered about it, plus, he commented before he didn't mind RVS and serious talk "intersphering", so I saw that more as a null-tell than a scum-tell, which is what I saw on you.

Hope that explains it.

Call it arrogance, but I don't think I will be lynched this quick for so little.

^SCUM CAUGHT FOR WRONG REASONS

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I just know how it goes by now, it has been like this in the past 2 games I played here (SSBB and American Gods or something like that), people start suspecting me for shit I always do (Keep my votes on RVS for a long time, joke around a lot, say uncomprehensible stuff) and I always make a huge fuss over it, get all afraid, and then people smarten up at the last second and go for someone else.

Mark my words, this is happening again, and even if it doesn't happen on its own, bah gawd, I'l make sure I'l save myself or die screaming "I TOLD YOU SO, BITCHEEEEEES"

Part of your problem, SGR, is that Merlin is a WIZARD so you are pretty obv. scum.

Yes, my avatar is also a Evil Wizzard. I guess that means I gamethrew and claimed scum.
Or, it just means I'm joking.

Deal w/ it

Real talk: I wonder how much of this BW is people RL'ing for the sake of a RL, people actually thinking I'm scum, people wanting to see me dead cause I am annoying and people taking this as a chance to go for the easy target.

Why are you "the easy target"?

Hey this looks familiar from when I was scum last game.

Wasn't that the game were people also started a BW on me D1 even though I was town?

Post #34 by SGRaaize - Wow. You're just bad in general, not sure what allignment you are though.

SHDUP

Post #126 by Katy - So SGR is "pretty obv. scum." but you don't vote him? Explain.

Oh, ok, bear in mind at this point, I have no idea who is voting me as a joke and who's voting me because they actually think I'm scum/pretend they are thinking I'm scum, so I'm gonna take everything everyone says VERY SERIOUSLY AT THIS POINT

LMP
Why the vote against Wrath, when SGR calls the starting 'attacks' as too serious, suggests to look at somebody else by asking others who that player should be, to suggest Chesskid eventually, whom get finally a vote after some posts from SGR. He went back into the RVS and wanted others to get us out of the RVS. All his flip-flopping would be good for a cheerleading squad ._.

Yes yes, blabla, meta, yes, yes, I don't usually change my votes, bla, bla, meta meta:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Go ahead, just read that whole page.

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In fact, screw it, just read everything I say on that thread, almost every post on the first pages is me discussing why I don't usually change votes even though I FoS people.

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Oh, BTW: On that same game, you can also see I'm wanting a big-ass RVS, just like in here.

I was town in that game.

I hate to go Meta on your asses, but its either that or getting lynched.

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Alright, now for the BW analyzation I promised:

The first vote on my soon-to-be BW was Katy, she jokingly (I assume) voted me based on the fact I said someone was gonna have to look scummy for this day to truly start. Nothing special, at least as of now.

Ditto for Mana_Ku and Gandalf

Chesskid3 voted me because I voted him, I also assume it was a joke, at least by then. Nothing special here either, a small RVS BW.

Its worth noting LynchMePlz could have joined the BW by now with a great justification (in fact, he used that same justification to vote WC, who had no vote on him), I can't help but feel he's not Town anyways, but a very crafty Mafioso who just wanted to make sure this BW could actually pick up steam for a hammer.

At this point, Chesskid3 tells someone (I think its me) to move the vote, so it can be assumed he's voting me because I still haven't taken the vote away from him, this is fine.

inHimshallibe votes me with no decent justification, at this point, the RVS was over and his vote was kept, I thought that was bullshit, on retrospective, I think inHimshallbe is a good scummy canditate inside my BW.

Dry-Fit votes me next, his justification being that I haven't voted the people I FoS'd and my vote is still on Chesskid3, which I just vote in the RVS stage to joke around, its a justification that is both good and bad from my perspective, good, because I see a Townie being able to use it, bad, because its something very mediocre and not that big of a deal that can be used by a Mafia when the BW ends up hammering on Townie or if the BW ends up not picking steam at all and people start suspecting all involved in it. Either ways, the justification is BS, because, as I stated before, I always do this. Dry-Fit is another good candidate to be scummy, but not as much as inHimshallibe. IMO

LynchMePlz voted here, with remarks on how my FoS'es are inconsistent or whatever, they aren't, I think that he knew at this point this BW was indeed picking steam, and he could safely vote me. The only person I'm almost 100% sure is Mafia in my BW.

Another thing worth noting is that Chesskid3, around this time, unvoted, voted Icey, and then unvoted and voted me, so it means he still wants to vote me and its not him just laying his vote around for the moment. Doesn't mean he's scummy or townie, just worth mentioning.

WC votes me here based on meta and him seeing myself in his shoes when he was Mafia or something like that. The reasoning is BS, but I still think he's townie. He might be a Mafia joining in the BW with a shitty justification in case the BW fails, much like Dry-Fit can be, but based on previous posts by WC, I think he's town.

And now, Mana_Ku, who had voted me based on a joke at the beginning, actually gave justification on her vote, I have basically the same read on her that I have on Dry-Fit, might be townie, but wouldn't be surprised if scum.

So, with that:

People in my BW:

Fairly Positive Town: NO ONE.
Leaning Town: WC
Null: Katy, Mana_Ku, Gandalf, DryFit.
Leaning Scum: InhimshallIbe
Fairly Positive Scum: LynchMePlz

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Add Chesskid3 to Null, forgot that guy.

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I'm gonna assume everyone ignoring me means I am not scummy anymore.

[SGRaaize]

1) The Breadcrumb thing was a joke, as explained before
2) Also as explained before, keeping my vote on RVS even though I already FoS someone is not a scum move, and even if it is, I have done it before as Town.
3) I already explained why I read you and Pine differently in a previous post.

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And the BW Read is hardly self-serving, I'm being realistic here. The BW is way too long for the reasons on it. The few good points on me are really not that big of a deal and can all be explained using (Yes, I know, its annoying) meta.

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Also, I apologize about me wrongly wording the reason why you FoS me, it wasn't me lying, I just made a honest mistake.

[SGRaaize]

Do you honestly expect me to have solid town reads on someone that is voting me for what I consider bullshit reasoning all the way through?

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You have a "too serious" read on Pine. {Editor's note: WTF does that even mean? How the fuck is that even noteworthy?}

I dunno, I found it fun to point out

Then I make a post that you decide is scummy.

Yes

Then Pine agrees with me verbatim.

Yep

Then you post your reads, and Pine is "too serious" and I'm "scum".

Ah-yup

And you see no inconsistancy here at all?

Nope. As I said before, Pine didn't make that much of a big deal as you, he said the page before that there was no problem with intersphering (whatever that means, but I'm assuming it means having them both) real talk with RVS talk. You, on the other hand, went in completely out, saying "Grrr, I hate RVS, RVS is bad, look at me guys, I think RVS is bad, am I townie now"?

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To answer it in a more simple and nearly not as confusing manner:

-Pine RVS's in the beginning with a vote on Chesskid3
-Starts taking things way too serious around here with his answer to Icey and Gandalf
-Keeps joking with WC and claims there's no reason to mix RVS with real Scumhunting.
-You join in and vote WC for wanting to RVS.
-Start arguing with gandalf about how RVS is bad and everyone who likes it should feel bad and is scummy and you are so town because you think this, amirite.

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Just noticed this

So was that nervous, approval-seeking "Why is everyone ignoring me?" comment.

The last thing I would be worried about if I was Mafia would be people ignoring me

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We're running circles in here.

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What? I thought you voted me before I voted you.
This changes EVERYTHING.

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Why so defensive? You're just over halfway toward being lynched.

Because I am over-defensive as Town and there's nothing I hate more than being lynched.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

More meta.

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BTW, I was joking about Chesskid3, I think it was fairly obvious.

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So that's two strikes, not three. I demand my third strike.

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I presented two scum reads on my Wagon and 1 town read on my wagon, Of all the null-tells, I said most of them had both reasons to be town and mafia, hence them being called "null".
Calling it Self-Serving OMGUS is completely ridiculous, at best, you can call it Self-Serving in the sense that instead of trying to look for Mafia, I am basically just defending myself. Which I guess is kind of true, considering half of that BW read was me saying how bullshitty it is for me to have so many votes and how none of the votes have any decent reasoning behind them.

It looks to me as if you still haven't truly read my BW read as you promised, and are still basing it on the diagonal read you said you gave it some posts ago.

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If you still haven't read through my BW read, why did you make a statement with such a blatant mistake?

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I'm not sure I am understanding you. You analyze a read on my BW and you are surprised when I don't mention anything in that read aside from... You know... The people that were in that BW?

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And I haven't casted my critics as scummy, from my perspective, I have two of them as scummy, one of them because of my previous reads on him regardless of my BW (LynchMePlz) and one of them because he gave no justification whatsoever on his BW on me (InhimshallIbe). I then have one of them as townie because of my previous reads on him (WC).
I then mention on how I can see both Katy, Mana_Ku and DryFit as Town or Scum (I even explained the possibilities) and although I don't say it directly, the involvement from Gandalf and ChessKid3 in my BW has been almost null and has started in the RVS period, and has been unvoted or not yet justified since that RVS stage, which is why I give the null-tell.

How is this loopsided?

Unvote

Vote: Pine

If you want to vote me, just vote me, your arguments are making no sense whatsoever, and you are clearly misinformed, I am suspecting you are just looking for anything at this point to justify yourself, because you already know this day is gonna end with me dead anyways.

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By the way, I know it sounds scummy now because my post is right below Chesskid3 changing his vote, but I only saw it on the Pedit.

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Alright, now that a big part of the pressure on me is out, I feel like I can breath again.
Gonna sleep now, tomorrow, I'l reread and try to actually get some reads not related to votes on me.

[SGRaaize]

Baaaaaaaaaaaack

scum chesskid has a confirmable town role so go ahead and mock him

Then don't be voting for SGRaize dammit, [REDACTED] worked on day 1, but SG is nowhere near that bad, and we need actual scum and stuff.

He isn't voting me anymore.

[SGRaaize]

I believe I've had my best idea ever in a mafia game today. I realized I'd be in severe trouble keeping track of what was happening, so I created a private QuickTopic to post my thoughts in for future reference. The downside is that taking notes slows down my reading, but I'll take being informed and slow over being quick and forgetful any day of the week.

This is a pretty great idea.
I have one even better, but even slowler.

I'm gonna create a quicktopic for every player in the game and bookmark them all in a Bookmark folder

I can already tell I'm just gonna say "Fuck it" midway through the game and stop using that, but might as well try it.

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Be glad that I've been working on my top suspects in a different way this game as I hate your meta defence. Looking at what you said about using it, you probably know why.

I fucking hate using Meta and I hate when Meta is mentioned anywhere in a Mafia game. There's nothing I'd love more than complete anonymous Mafia playing, but if everyone else can use it, you can bet your ass I'm also gonna use it if it means I don't get lynched.

Ok, this just came in:
On Friday, 20-05-2011, another scummy player came on board the SGR wagon. This player, B......, voted SGR on terribad reasons. Our journalist has interviewed M..._.. on the spot. This is what she had to say:
'Obv, he's biased against his own wagon. As he knows his faction *rolls eyes*. He's still alive, so if he's town, he's the only one who can analyse it with a complete 100% 'SGR is town' - thought behind it. In his eyes, this is catching scum. When a vote is placed, says a lot, which destroys his second reason (This time is an exception though, due to Chess's reason). And everybody can get angry when he's attacked by reasons he thinks are stupid. But as my future-telling abilities have shown me, he later sees part of SGR's 'overreaction' as town-tell.
M..._.., the White Fairy with somebody's Face, to the rescue~ (In other words, /in b4 OMG, White-knighting!!!)

I have no idea what you mean with this... I have reread it thrice... And I still don't understand it...
I know I'm really slow, but please explain what you mean better. This is honestly the most confusing post I have read on this game.

Meanwhile: Still rereading this game. Midway through. Will do my reads when I finish.

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@Lmp
During the RVS, we had two players who wanted to keep the RVS going. The first was SGR. His attitude:
-Oh My Gawd. Don't be so serious youll.
To
-Let's take a hayfork and stick somebody with it. Who do you guys wanna pick? (IF Pine had answered it, the answer would have been clear as SGR knew)
To
-*poking Chesskid* (Which is not completely true as he only suggested Chesskid and waited before he actually poked)

OH MY GOD

There's nothing more painful than the start of a big Forum Mafia game, where everyone desperately tries to start a subject.
Someone must be sacrificed by looking scummy so we can start having reads on each other.
Who's up?

Vote: SGRaaize

How about you?

Nah, I look way too Townie for that job. I suggest Chesskid.

If you think these two posts have even a slight hinch of seriousness in them. May god have mercy on your soul.

[SGRaaize]

Well, yeah, I took your vote as a joke because I didn't think you actually took those two posts seriously.
Apparently, I was wrong.

[SGRaaize]

No, seriously, you read this:

2 pages in and we're already taking this way too seriously.

Then this:

There's nothing more painful than the start of a big Forum Mafia game, where everyone desperately tries to start a subject.
Someone must be sacrificed by looking scummy so we can start having reads on each other.
Who's up?

Then this:

Vote: SGRaaize

How about you?

Nah, I look way too Townie for that job. I suggest Chesskid.

And you think I was serious? Come on, now, I can't believe that.

[SGRaaize]

Re-written:
-You analysing your own wagon is scumhunting as you are the only one who knows which faction your part of. For us, it's a guess. And of course, this makes you biased.
-when a vote is placed has an impact on the read you have of a player.
-Overreaction has to do with the personality of the player, not his allignment.

I see your two last posts, (Its why I said "Way-Too-Serious read on Pine instead of Scum-Read or Town-Read). Regarding your first point, most of my points on my BW really don't matter if I'm Town or Scum, regardless, of my alligment, the reasoning on me is complete bullshit.

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or just bullshit reasoning to justify when A) The BW ends up being on Town B) The BW ends up going nowhere and people start suspecting everyone involved (Dry-fit)

Wow way to attack me without even answering my question.[/quote]

I answered your question, I always take time to change votes, its a meta from me, I even gave you links to the past games where I do that.

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According to Snow_Bunny, claiming is the worst possible thing you can do. So that didn't see much of a good move. Regardless, I'l

Unvote

[SGRaaize]

ohai.


Did I miss anything over the weekend?

Pine self-voting and claiming even though Snow_Bunny has warned everyone not to do that.

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Seems like a guy that has yet to analyze everyone via ISO.
Just like me.

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Alright, so I decided to give up on that idea of making quicktopic with everyone, it got boring pretty fast, I'm just gonna reread the whole game now and see points of interest.

Prepare for Wall-of-Text

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And I don't mean a small Wall-of-Text, I mean a colossal page long Wall-of-Text

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PE: Icey probably isn't a Wizard with a bunch of powers. They're probably either a weakly-powered, high HP goon supporting the Wizards.

I have no idea under what basis you got this idea, I really don't. It honestly looks as if you pulled it out of your ass.

2 pages in and we're already taking this way too seriously.

Trying to keep the game in RVS.

Seriously, SGR is right. Not enough joking here.

UNVOTE x13, VOTE: Pine

Why so Serious?

Agreeing the with the person who wants to keep the game in RVS is worse.

That's funny, considering you RVS'd after both of the posts you quoted on Gandalf. Or was that a serious vote?

Can't I just already tell you I'm town therefore we don't spend 5 pages determining if I am town or scum?
Seriously though. I do believe everyone should vote Icey and unvote her to someone else. Unless your scum. Don't vote her if your scum.

I am probably missing a lot of meta, but why do people believe Bunnylover is town based on the two posts he posted by this point?

At first I thought I was scum because of all the different ways of killing people I had, but then I saw that my role name was in blue, and I read the flavor, and it became clearer. However, it makes me worry because now I think that everyone pretty much has a damaging ability...if so then we could coordinate night lynches, which would benefit us sorcerer-aligned players.

This post makes me nervous. I'm almost forced into thinking Albert B. Rampage is Town by reading this post, but I am second-guessing myself a lot when it comes to this subject.

VOTE: Soben
gandalf and WC and ABR are all probably town.

ABR, why would you advocate what is essentially a form of massclaiming in a game where we have been specifically told by the moderator that massclaiming will be harmful?

I thought the problem (judging by the OP) was claiming the name.

Not that I agree with ABR asking for a massclaim or anything, I just think the Mod meant something different.

Not sure what to think of SGR.

Remember the same thing happening in Gorrad's mafia

, will look at this later.

Yeah, I don't think it got to this level, though.

VOTE: Soben
gandalf and WC and ABR are all probably town.

Just noticed this.
What the fuck?

Because I'm trying to figure out its heads and I want to be more certain, and eliciting a reaction to a vote will help with that.

Not now that you explained it, no. Plus, that makes no sense.

Quiero la sangre de Mana.

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Quiero la sangre de Mana.

Translation for those who don't speak Spanish: "I want/desire the blood of Mana."

Not a fan of posting in another language, even a throwaway line like this.

Toying with jumping on the CMAR wagon, but my gut says something's just off about the whole thing.

This whole post screams "Way too serious", just saying.

Post #126 by Katy - So SGR is "pretty obv. scum." but you don't vote him? Explain.

She did. In that exact post.

Well, Beef's town imo.

Mind explaining the town-read on Beff, not seeing it myself.

Straight-up answering ABR's question. Unless they're both scum, but I doubt it.

Answering ABR's question seems hardly something only Town would do, especially considering ABR didn't get a lot of flack for saying it aside from me, Pine and Chesskid3.

The OP implies multiple third party roles in the setup, Iceys win condition could simply be to recieve x amount of votes during the game thus although I don't see him as scum I have no reason to vote him.

It could also be a Townie that powers up via Votes, maybe even a powered-up Hunter that doesn't need to actually be lynched to kill someone?
On the other hand, he might be a Mafia role powered up by votes, but well, that's more up to scumhunting.
We lose nothing by giving Icey a Third-Party win, so, as long as we don't think Icey is Mafia, I don't see why we wouldn't vote him.

Speaking of which, I forgot to do this.

Vote: Icey

Unvote

UNVOTE: ABR
VOTE: Soben

Too many inconsistencies.

Wat?

I think ABR's proposition should have received more attention than it has. Is protection really an issue against the whole town's attacks? I don't know how protection would function in this game, and I did not play and have not read its predecessors, so perhaps someone who has should weigh in.

Its best not to try to guess how anything works in this game, protection included. Either ways, its just better to let each person use their powers and later discuss about the results. Honestly, at this point. We should completly ignore everything that happens at night and treat Day and Night as completely different games, per say. Let's try to lynch some scummies.

CMAR
If you've put me in the category of players voting SGR for prolonging the RVS, you can read my reason again and put me out of it. Other than that, don't use the 'too scummy to be scum'-fallacy. It's a fallacy for a reason.

He didn't use that fallacy at all, he said everyone knows at this point that RVS is supposed to be evil (myself included, I'm not retarded, thank you very much), so, voting someone for prolonging the RVS is derpy. Do you honestly think I tried to prolong the RVS because I was Mafia and afraid of people voting me and not because I just like having RVS, much like Gandalf, for example.

Please don't quote the above sentence by saying "Well, ur Maf", derp.

My read of SGRaaize remains wholly ambivalent. I can see both Town and scum motivations for what he's done so far, none of them strong. If I had to commit, I'd lean a little to the Town side based on the wagon speed.

Quoting this post for further reference.

I appreciate your defense and efforts, but would appreciate it even more if you scumhunted instead of calling the person with the best points against you, scum. I actually feel like LMP is one of the most town players so far. If you want me to move my vote off you, convince me there's a better place for it.

I called LMP scum before he voted me, so that's another very unfair statement, WC. I think you're Town, but stop tunneling me, godamnit. Plus, the post you quoted has two points I think I defended myself fairly good from. I feel as if you're completely ignoring everything I'm saying here and just keep tunneling on me because you're stubborn and won't give up on the idea I'm scum.

Yeah, yeah, my vote on you was probably poor.

Why did you vote me, anyways?

So Soben keeps calling us town, yet steadfastly refuses to treat us as such.

does not compute

This is worth quoting.

Will address the SGR clusterfuck later, just got home.

You never got to adress my clusterfuck.

More votes on Soben, please.

What in particular about my refusal to vote IceyCupcake do you find scummy? What scum-motivation is there behind directly disobeying someone openely claiming a request for votes?

Pine agrees with you on that, he's voting you because you're inconsistent

Oh FFS. And if the goal of gathering votes is to set off a massive spell that kills everyone else? What then?

lol'd

Page One, FYI. Size of most important bit enlarged.

Jester-like means it depends on being voted. This is really not hard to understand.

SGR:
Wine arguements, self-meta arguements.
I got no idea what to make of him yet.

I'l have a "desperate townie", please

We also read through LMP together, and I can understand where he's coming from, LMP's argument with SGR shows no attempt at revealing his allignment, rather just "proving that he's correct". In majority of his posts he refrains from stating if he believes SGR's thought process is scum-motivated or just a bad town-play, a primary example of this is where he asks SGR why he's lying in ISO #16 by LMP rather than stating if he believes SGR's lie is a scum-tell or not.

Interesting perspective, but you're reaching, IMO. LMP is scum, but not because of that.

P-edit: Says the one who took my vote as a joke?

Mana_Ku, do you still believe I wasn't joking and was even slightly serious in those posts where I supposedly accused Chesskid3?
I'd like an answer, I just want to know where I'm standing here.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p3056366

This is not a scumslip

I intend to self-vote and push my lynch when I finish. I have nothing to lose, and Town has everything to gain from this tactic.

I just noticed you never self-voted.

See... I can't help but feel you're still Mafia, I say this because people are apparently taking you off the radar because you are way too desperate to be Mafia. That's bullshit, if anything, he's way too desperate to be Town.

I felt what it was like to be under pressure and desperate, heck, I think I was under more fire than Pine. I reacted in a way Town would, I defended myself and I tried very hard for everyone to unvote me.

Pine threatened to self-vote, in a sense, AtE'd and made sure everyone didn't want to vote him by doing everything except

defending himself

.

I know we both might be town and just have different ways to react to pressure, but honestly, I can't believe everyone is just ignoring Pine now because he threatened to self-vote.

If my BW gets bigger, I'l self-vote and stop defending myself, it will surely work.

/rant

Unvote, vote SGRaaize

Pine is being dramatic like town sometimes is, plus he had no reason to say he had weak abilities, so I'm willing to let him go. SGRaaize does not inspire anything in me, so to him will go my vote.

Yeah, this is what I meant, fucking bullshit.

On the ABR question topic (the relevant thing):
I personally don't think coordinating our damage is necessary. Besides completely ridiculous people, everyone that is town with damaging spells would use it on players they find scummy. No matter if that player is scum it will either a) Damage/Kill scum b) Damage/Kill 3rd Party or c) Damage/Kill town that is ripe for a mislynch (like SGR).
However, if we were to make a list of the top 3 people to damage that night to coordinate it, I'd propose we also do it for investigating abilities (not protection because that'd let mafia know who we're protecting).

I agree with this, except for my name in it.

Katy: AtE is Appeal to Emotion, for future reference.

Thanks. I guess I don't see that as a reliable scumtell. I have seen townies appeal to emotion numerous times.

My Policy is to lynch everyone that AtE's me when I'm clear in LYLO or something like that.
Honestly, nothing turns off my scumdar more than AtE.

Icey, non Regfan head here. Although both Regfan and I don't believe you to be scum, we have the town's best interest in mind.

Town loses nothing whatsoever by voting and unvoting Icey, and it might win something.

SGR, I have not self-voted, and the overwhelming negative response received to the suggestion is convincing me not to.

I'm sure you thought we were gonna react to it positively.

Bullshit

Pine
Feysal
implosion
Albert B. Rampage
IceyCupcake
Amrun
CryMeARiver
BabySpice
Zdenek
Dry-fit
chesskid3
Mana_Ku
PeregrineV
Katy
Bunnylover
SnakePlissken
WrathChild
inHimshallibe
gandalf5166
Riceballtail
Beefster
SGRaaize
SCUM

How much of this is based on points you have bought against me and I have defended myself from?

Wrath wasn't the flipfloppinh cheerleader SGR was, so why vote Wrath over SGR?
And it's not that hard looking at which other player was keeping his RVS vote, while seeing a different player as scummy. It's your reason for thinking players are scummy. I have different ones. If I can see it, without thinking it's scummy, you should be able to find it as well.
As extra, your accusation against RBT is terribad. Learn to read sarcasm.

Wrath did it first, and I was reading up on the thread. SGR got my vote once it became obvious he deserved it more.

How did Wrath do it first? In the post you quoted, he was quoting me. Holy shit.

[SGRaaize]

Ops, let me fix this.

[SGRaaize]

PE: Icey probably isn't a Wizard with a bunch of powers. They're probably either a weakly-powered, high HP goon supporting the Wizards.

I have no idea under what basis you got this idea, I really don't. It honestly looks as if you pulled it out of your ass.

2 pages in and we're already taking this way too seriously.

Trying to keep the game in RVS.

Seriously, SGR is right. Not enough joking here.

UNVOTE x13, VOTE: Pine

Why so Serious?

Agreeing the with the person who wants to keep the game in RVS is worse.

That's funny, considering you RVS'd after both of the posts you quoted on Gandalf. Or was that a serious vote?

Can't I just already tell you I'm town therefore we don't spend 5 pages determining if I am town or scum?
Seriously though. I do believe everyone should vote Icey and unvote her to someone else. Unless your scum. Don't vote her if your scum.

I am probably missing a lot of meta, but why do people believe Bunnylover is town based on the two posts he posted by this point?

At first I thought I was scum because of all the different ways of killing people I had, but then I saw that my role name was in blue, and I read the flavor, and it became clearer. However, it makes me worry because now I think that everyone pretty much has a damaging ability...if so then we could coordinate night lynches, which would benefit us sorcerer-aligned players.

This post makes me nervous. I'm almost forced into thinking Albert B. Rampage is Town by reading this post, but I am second-guessing myself a lot when it comes to this subject.

VOTE: Soben
gandalf and WC and ABR are all probably town.

ABR, why would you advocate what is essentially a form of massclaiming in a game where we have been specifically told by the moderator that massclaiming will be harmful?

I thought the problem (judging by the OP) was claiming the name.

Not that I agree with ABR asking for a massclaim or anything, I just think the Mod meant something different.

Not sure what to think of SGR.

Remember the same thing happening in Gorrad's mafia

, will look at this later.

Yeah, I don't think it got to this level, though.

VOTE: Soben
gandalf and WC and ABR are all probably town.

Just noticed this.
What the fuck?

Because I'm trying to figure out its heads and I want to be more certain, and eliciting a reaction to a vote will help with that.

Not now that you explained it, no. Plus, that makes no sense.

Quiero la sangre de Mana.

Why.jpg

Quiero la sangre de Mana.

Translation for those who don't speak Spanish: "I want/desire the blood of Mana."

Not a fan of posting in another language, even a throwaway line like this.

Toying with jumping on the CMAR wagon, but my gut says something's just off about the whole thing.

This whole post screams "Way too serious", just saying.

Post #126 by Katy - So SGR is "pretty obv. scum." but you don't vote him? Explain.

She did. In that exact post.

Well, Beef's town imo.

Mind explaining the town-read on Beff, not seeing it myself.

Straight-up answering ABR's question. Unless they're both scum, but I doubt it.

Answering ABR's question seems hardly something only Town would do, especially considering ABR didn't get a lot of flack for saying it aside from me, Pine and Chesskid3.

The OP implies multiple third party roles in the setup, Iceys win condition could simply be to recieve x amount of votes during the game thus although I don't see him as scum I have no reason to vote him.

It could also be a Townie that powers up via Votes, maybe even a powered-up Hunter that doesn't need to actually be lynched to kill someone?
On the other hand, he might be a Mafia role powered up by votes, but well, that's more up to scumhunting.
We lose nothing by giving Icey a Third-Party win, so, as long as we don't think Icey is Mafia, I don't see why we wouldn't vote him.

Speaking of which, I forgot to do this.

Vote: Icey

Unvote

UNVOTE: ABR
VOTE: Soben

Too many inconsistencies.

Wat?

I think ABR's proposition should have received more attention than it has. Is protection really an issue against the whole town's attacks? I don't know how protection would function in this game, and I did not play and have not read its predecessors, so perhaps someone who has should weigh in.

Its best not to try to guess how anything works in this game, protection included. Either ways, its just better to let each person use their powers and later discuss about the results. Honestly, at this point. We should completly ignore everything that happens at night and treat Day and Night as completely different games, per say. Let's try to lynch some scummies.

CMAR
If you've put me in the category of players voting SGR for prolonging the RVS, you can read my reason again and put me out of it. Other than that, don't use the 'too scummy to be scum'-fallacy. It's a fallacy for a reason.

He didn't use that fallacy at all, he said everyone knows at this point that RVS is supposed to be evil (myself included, I'm not retarded, thank you very much), so, voting someone for prolonging the RVS is derpy. Do you honestly think I tried to prolong the RVS because I was Mafia and afraid of people voting me and not because I just like having RVS, much like Gandalf, for example.

Please don't quote the above sentence by saying "Well, ur Maf", derp.

My read of SGRaaize remains wholly ambivalent. I can see both Town and scum motivations for what he's done so far, none of them strong. If I had to commit, I'd lean a little to the Town side based on the wagon speed.

Quoting this post for further reference.

I appreciate your defense and efforts, but would appreciate it even more if you scumhunted instead of calling the person with the best points against you, scum. I actually feel like LMP is one of the most town players so far. If you want me to move my vote off you, convince me there's a better place for it.

I called LMP scum before he voted me, so that's another very unfair statement, WC. I think you're Town, but stop tunneling me, godamnit. Plus, the post you quoted has two points I think I defended myself fairly good from. I feel as if you're completely ignoring everything I'm saying here and just keep tunneling on me because you're stubborn and won't give up on the idea I'm scum.

Yeah, yeah, my vote on you was probably poor.

Why did you vote me, anyways?

So Soben keeps calling us town, yet steadfastly refuses to treat us as such.

does not compute

This is worth quoting.

Will address the SGR clusterfuck later, just got home.

You never got to adress my clusterfuck.

More votes on Soben, please.

What in particular about my refusal to vote IceyCupcake do you find scummy? What scum-motivation is there behind directly disobeying someone openely claiming a request for votes?

Pine agrees with you on that, he's voting you because you're inconsistent

Oh FFS. And if the goal of gathering votes is to set off a massive spell that kills everyone else? What then?

lol'd

Page One, FYI. Size of most important bit enlarged.

Jester-like means it depends on being voted. This is really not hard to understand.

SGR:
Wine arguements, self-meta arguements.
I got no idea what to make of him yet.

I'l have a "desperate townie", please

We also read through LMP together, and I can understand where he's coming from, LMP's argument with SGR shows no attempt at revealing his allignment, rather just "proving that he's correct". In majority of his posts he refrains from stating if he believes SGR's thought process is scum-motivated or just a bad town-play, a primary example of this is where he asks SGR why he's lying in ISO #16 by LMP rather than stating if he believes SGR's lie is a scum-tell or not.

Interesting perspective, but you're reaching, IMO. LMP is scum, but not because of that.

P-edit: Says the one who took my vote as a joke?

Mana_Ku, do you still believe I wasn't joking and was even slightly serious in those posts where I supposedly accused Chesskid3?
I'd like an answer, I just want to know where I'm standing here.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p3056366

This is not a scumslip

I intend to self-vote and push my lynch when I finish. I have nothing to lose, and Town has everything to gain from this tactic.

I just noticed you never self-voted.

See... I can't help but feel you're still Mafia, I say this because people are apparently taking you off the radar because you are way too desperate to be Mafia. That's bullshit, if anything, he's way too desperate to be Town.

I felt what it was like to be under pressure and desperate, heck, I think I was under more fire than Pine. I reacted in a way Town would, I defended myself and I tried very hard for everyone to unvote me.

Pine threatened to self-vote, in a sense, AtE'd and made sure everyone didn't want to vote him by doing everything except

defending himself

.

I know we both might be town and just have different ways to react to pressure, but honestly, I can't believe everyone is just ignoring Pine now because he threatened to self-vote.

If my BW gets bigger, I'l self-vote and stop defending myself, it will surely work.

/rant

Unvote, vote SGRaaize

Pine is being dramatic like town sometimes is, plus he had no reason to say he had weak abilities, so I'm willing to let him go. SGRaaize does not inspire anything in me, so to him will go my vote.

Yeah, this is what I meant, fucking bullshit.

On the ABR question topic (the relevant thing):
I personally don't think coordinating our damage is necessary. Besides completely ridiculous people, everyone that is town with damaging spells would use it on players they find scummy. No matter if that player is scum it will either a) Damage/Kill scum b) Damage/Kill 3rd Party or c) Damage/Kill town that is ripe for a mislynch (like SGR).
However, if we were to make a list of the top 3 people to damage that night to coordinate it, I'd propose we also do it for investigating abilities (not protection because that'd let mafia know who we're protecting).

I agree with this, except for my name in it.

Katy: AtE is Appeal to Emotion, for future reference.

Thanks. I guess I don't see that as a reliable scumtell. I have seen townies appeal to emotion numerous times.

My Policy is to lynch everyone that AtE's me when I'm clear in LYLO or something like that.
Honestly, nothing turns off my scumdar more than AtE.

Icey, non Regfan head here. Although both Regfan and I don't believe you to be scum, we have the town's best interest in mind.

Town loses nothing whatsoever by voting and unvoting Icey, and it might win something.

SGR, I have not self-voted, and the overwhelming negative response received to the suggestion is convincing me not to.

I'm sure you thought we were gonna react to it positively.

Bullshit

Pine
Feysal
implosion
Albert B. Rampage
IceyCupcake
Amrun
CryMeARiver
BabySpice
Zdenek
Dry-fit
chesskid3
Mana_Ku
PeregrineV
Katy
Bunnylover
SnakePlissken
WrathChild
inHimshallibe
gandalf5166
Riceballtail
Beefster
SGRaaize
SCUM

How much of this is based on points you have bought against me and I have defended myself from?

Wrath wasn't the flipfloppinh cheerleader SGR was, so why vote Wrath over SGR?
And it's not that hard looking at which other player was keeping his RVS vote, while seeing a different player as scummy. It's your reason for thinking players are scummy. I have different ones. If I can see it, without thinking it's scummy, you should be able to find it as well.
As extra, your accusation against RBT is terribad. Learn to read sarcasm.

Wrath did it first, and I was reading up on the thread. SGR got my vote once it became obvious he deserved it more.

How did Wrath do it first? In the post you quoted, he was quoting me. Holy shit.

[SGRaaize]

What?

[SGRaaize]

Also, answer me, somewhere in that huge wall, there's one or two questions directed at you.

[SGRaaize]

Fuck that

[SGRaaize]

I'm not gonna read it either.

Besides, he can just Ctrl + F his name

[SGRaaize]

Taking this away from my Wall of Text cause I really want you to answer

Yeah, yeah, my vote on you was probably poor.

Why did you vote me, anyways?

[SGRaaize]

Well, that was extreme. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
Theoretically, didn't we just find a way to auto-win this game?
Instead of us actually vote-lynching people, we say "Vote: XXX", if there's a majority, that person is forced to claim his role and be killed.

Unlimited lynches D1. Trollface.jpg

[SGRaaize]

Although I guess that would be cheap, and SnowBunny would probably mod-kill me if I tried to do that.
I was just joking

[SGRaaize]

But if it only works on Town, we would also win anyways, because if someone claimed and wasn't mod-killed, we would lynch him.
Even if we don't have unlimited Lynches D1, we would have one Mafia dead per day for sure.

I am just entertaining the idea, I am not actually planning on enforcing it.

[SGRaaize]

Or trying to enforce it, to be precise

[SGRaaize]

No, as it says there, it may or not end, at his discretion.

[SGRaaize]

Also, now with Pine dead:

Vote: LynchMePlz

Don't think I have stopped suspecting you just because you stopped suspecting me, Scum

[SGRaaize]

Ah...
Well, but it wouldn't really be fair to punish us Townies for one guy claiming, especially when we didn't know claiming resulted in Mod-Kill

[SGRaaize]

As I said before, if nothing happens, we know he was lying about his claim.
Duh

[SGRaaize]

The above post was directed at Chesskid3

[SGRaaize]

Hmmmmmmmmmm...
You really seem to be wanting to do this, LynchMePls...

Unvote

, for now.

[SGRaaize]

If nothing bad happens to us by doing this, I just won us the game, no big deal, you guys can thank me later.

[SGRaaize]

Might have been just a mechanic of the game *Shrugs*

[SGRaaize]

SO ITS NOT INFINITE DAY 1 LYNCHES

ITS ONE SCUM LYNCH WITH X TOWN LYNCHES BEFORE THAT EACH DAY
idsjafodsjfiasofjasiodfjiasodjfoasjdfajdfsiofjs

That's still fucking awesome.

[SGRaaize]

Why does it matter where the ability came from? What matters is it works.

[SGRaaize]

Why does it matter where the ability came from? What matters is it works.

Because where it comes from is related to how it works. And if it works differently than we think it does, we're screwed.

The only way I see the ability hurting us is if its some kind of Serial Killer who wins if he kills X people because they claimed.
That would be a pretty unfair role to play.

[SGRaaize]

Actually, I answered your question way before I made the attack, right below your post questioning that

[SGRaaize]

SGR, condescending cupcake seems to be implying such a role.

IceyCupcake is obviously joking, Pine was afraid of Icey being able to murder everyone that voted him or some crap like that.

[SGRaaize]

Why does it matter where the ability came from? What matters is it works.

Because where it comes from is related to how it works. And if it works differently than we think it does, we're screwed.

The only way I see the ability hurting us is if its some kind of Serial Killer who wins if he kills X people because they claimed.
That would be a pretty unfair role to play.

S_B is pretty explicit about not playing "out guess the mod". Something about "you will lose and it will be hilarious". Therefore I do not accept the notion of "that would be a pretty unfair role".

Its not out-guessing the mod, I am not out-guessing the mod by saying he didn't make a role that is almost impossible to win with and not fun to play as.

[SGRaaize]

Also, if scum get unlimited kills based on claims, then all they'll do if we adopt the 'claim or lynch' strategy is to not do anything, then kill like 6 people on day 4 or something.

Overall, no fucking claiming seems like a solid rule.

Fair enough, back to scumhuntan, then

[SGRaaize]

I went from having two Main FoSes to having no FoSes in less than three hours.
Gonna vote the next best thing:

Vote: Implosion

[SGRaaize]

^: Forgot to justify:

1) Voting Soben at the start of D1 before he even posted to Hydra-hunt (What?)

2) Changing his town-tell on Gandalf to a scum-tell for, basically, very mediocre reasoning (http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3064825)

[SGRaaize]

-I'm from the generation who believes something is a joke when the signs are there. So yeah, I'm taking your explanation lightly.

The only other part that is interesting about these pages is LMP's change of opinion about SGR. SGR later admits that his 'plan' was actually a joke. Does this change your opinion on SGR and why?

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[SGRaaize]

[Beefster]

Unvote

Vote: Mana_Ku

Unvote

Vote: Implosion

Unvote

Vote: Mana_Ku

Unvote

Vote: Implosion

[/Beefster]

[SGRaaize]

SGR, instead of keeping separate quick-topics for every player in the game can you just state your reads on them. I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

Nah, as your other head rightly says, its boring shit. I'l just reread from time to time.

[SGRaaize]

Erm.....
WrathChild, the plan is not gonna be followed, because Snow_Bunny said we would be banned for using it, but...
How is the plan bad?
If we lynch a Town, instead of the day skipping to night, we get another lynch.
Meaning: Each day ends with one Scum lynched, at the very least.

[SGRaaize]

@WC: Yes, we might end up having 4 mislynches before a scum lynch...... But couldn't the same thing happen normally? Only if we have four mislynches normally, we probably just lost the game? The point is, we were GUARANTEED to kill one scum per day.

Exactly.
By following the plan, we would have taken away the advantage from Mafia (Being able to kill someone at Night) and would at least guarantee this game would end in 5-6 days.

We would have an unlimited number of tries until we got Scum. The game would go at our pace, too, because Mafia would like, have the right to kill four or five people before losing. Instead of having an equal number of kills as we haev of lynches.

We would need to be total morons to lose the game under those circumstances.

[SGRaaize]

if that's what got Pine killed, so you're going to be pushing a lynch on someone who claims but doesn't get mod-killed probably based on coincidence more than evidence.

Of course that's what killed Pine.
Hey, WrathChild, you might want to read the thread slowly and carefully before bothering to share your opinion and/or vote. You are missing obvious details. Either that, or you're just reaching to try to lynch me.

[SGRaaize]

Wrath, if we are fucking morons that are unable to scumhunt worth a shit and will lose 4 townies a day before finally killing one Mafia, we are gonna lose anyways, PR's or not.

[SGRaaize]

I'm thinking this is an Epic Mafia tell rather than a scumtell

Yeah, same here, I love playing EpicMafia, I find guys with the same idiotic mentality as WrathChild in every game I play.

PEdit:

A) IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT IS A MODKILL, WHAT MATTERS IS THAT IT KILLS PEOPLE WHEN THEY CLAIM, WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

B) How am I role-fishing? What the hell are you talking about

[SGRaaize]

How did we even get this discussion about Modkills? Who cares if it is a Modkill? The best part is WrathChild is arguing FOR me and not AGAINST me by saying its a Mod-Kill.
A mod-kill implies Town would lose by claiming, because this isn't a mod-kill, they don't lose nothing by claiming and dying that way. Which means we would lose nothing (if it wasn't for the fact its a game-breaking tactic) to follow that strategy.

Honestly, WrathChild, you are clueless. That's all I can tell you.

[SGRaaize]

by saying its not a Mod-Kill*

[SGRaaize]

WrathChild, answer me, how the hell am I rolefishing, you have been busting my balls since the beginning of this day, and your reasoning as gotten shittier and shittier. Next up, you'l vote me because I have two a's in my name.

PEdit: Speaking of Bunnylover, over at my huge Wall-of-Text, I asked something I feel like I should ask again:

Everyone considered Bunnylover town based on his first two posts, what up with that? Not saying he's Mafia, just don't see how anyone would read town from those two posts.

[SGRaaize]

I don't even care about Beefster ATM, I want WrathChild to answer me, what the heck is he talking about, seriously?

[SGRaaize]

"Leave it to me!" one of them said. "Me, Andrius the Vamp-"

Though you can paraphrase your role pm and make a claim, it is not advised to do so. Really, listen to me this time.

"I'm a wight!" he exclaimed out loud. "I'm a wig-" his voice was suddenly silenced as a dim glow began to emerge out of his mouth and eyes. The glow started to grow stronger, blinding everyone for a mere second. When the light disappeared, they all stared at a lifeless shell.

How am I deceiving anyone?

[SGRaaize]

I am not outguessing Snow_Bunny when Snow_Bunny is basically making sure everyone knows CLAIMING MEANS DEATH.

[SGRaaize]

You seem to push that claiming=death when you know it does not. Your whole plan was based on that deception.

Not only that, but apparently I know Claiming does not equal Death.
WrathChild, if you know something we don't, just out it, please.

[SGRaaize]

Speaking of that, I'm also using caps a little too much, so I'm gonna calm down a little before answering.

WrathChild, Mod-Kill or not, a mechanic of this game is that if you claim, for whatever reason, you are killed.
No one in here, I repeat, NO ONE in here, is arguing over whatever or not this is a mod-kill, but everyone, except you, know Pine's death was related to him claiming his role.
What I suggested had nothing to do with whatever that was a mod-kill or not.

1) People claim: They die
2) The day doesn't advance

How am I deceiving anyone?
How am I rolefishing?
What the heck are you talking about?

[SGRaaize]

Hmmmmm... I guess I can see where he's coming from now, he just wasn't explaining himself properly.
I guess its possible a role would be the cause of death. But... Eeeeeeeeh... It was done 1 hour and a half after Pine claimed...

Either ways, its a complete reach to think I'm scummy because of that, I'm not being the dense one here, you are.

[SGRaaize]

Also, another reason why I am fairly positive this is not due to a role, and is instead a mechanic, is because it was foreshadowed at the beginning of the game. It just seems to be a mechanic of the game and not something resulting from a specific ability from a PR or a faction.

[SGRaaize]

Chesskid3, I was in that game, and I think we were dealing with something different.

[SGRaaize]

Haven't read Amrun yet, but I am surprised everyone has been ignoring Implosion for his incredibly weird FoS on Gandalf and for his early vote on Soben.

[SGRaaize]

He did

its an automatically triggered ability gosh

[SGRaaize]

Icey, you considered Bunnylover town based on his first two posts, what up with that? Not saying he's Mafia, just don't see how anyone would read town from those two posts.

[SGRaaize]

Guys, I did a full reread on Amrun, and erm... Although I'm very tired (00:40 AM here, haven't slept in almost 23 hours), I'm not seeing what's scummy about Amrun.

Could you guys maybe just give me a small summary of why he is scummy? Anything, at this point.

[SGRaaize]

I'm gonna do another reread soon, have been very tired. But before this whole shitstorm started, I definately didn't see a reason to vote either Beefster or Amrun. Will have to do a more proper reread and ISO them both this time.

[SGRaaize]

unvote

Its my repressed homosexuality mostly Albert. Regfan whines and complains about near everything, so its fun to mess with him. Also, our hydra QT this game is LOL funny.

I'm hoping you show it after the end of this game, sounds pretty fun.

[SGRaaize]

So much shit is happening right now.
Looking back, I think Amrun is over-agressive Town, not sure about Beefster, I can see Zdenek being Mafia. But honestly, I still want Implosion.

[SGRaaize]

Alright, gonna start working on another Wall of Doom. No one is reading them, but I like participating from time to time.

[SGRaaize]

I have since decided you are a real person, but just do not choose to play one on the Internet.

What?

This is a lie. Quote my vote on you.

Heh. My bad. I could've sworn you shifted your vote to me. Either way, I'm second on your scum list.

^ Town-Tell

I don't think the claim-lynch strategy will work. I really doubt anyone else will claim now that we are sure it's a bad idea. It's just as easy for a townie to fakeclaim as scum. If it also happens to apply to fakeclaims, then we still won't get anywhere and we'll have mislynched way more than necessary.

It's still a cool idea nonetheless- it just doesn't work in practice.

What?

Post #530 by SGRaaize - I've explained my reasoning for not voting Icey multiple times, if you still don't know it just ISO me.

And I told you why its bullshit before

1) You think Icey isn't scum
2) You are aware Icey is either Third Party that doesn't fuck us in the butt by winning or Town which helps us if we vote him.
3) You still don't vote him because he might not be Town

*Shrugs*

Gandalf and ManaKu were both on both wagons. I think these wagons were a source of joy to scum. Especially given the caution against claiming it's in their interest to try to get get wagons rolling quickly at the beginning and see if they can get claims out of town players, and players who jumped on both of them are worth looking more closely at, to me. I took the votes mostly from vote counts, although I know my vote never showed up in the votecounts (I added it here) so it's possible I could have missed some. Am supposed to be working right now, so no time to go back and check all the votes.

Mana kept his vote on Pine even after he claimed and continued to push him despite numerous reasons to believe he was town. Gandalf on the other hand has changed his vote quite a bit and his play so far pretty typical Gandalf.

I agree with all of this, I know Mana_Ku claimed Mason partners with Chesskid3 before, but I still don't feel confident in calling him Town.

People that should not be lynched today: SGR, Chess, ABR, Icey, Soben, Beefster, LMP, Mana, CMAR, BunnyLover, Zdenek

lol'd at you putting your name in your list, but I agree.

I'm wondering if all the people who are like "OHHHH Chess is obv town!" really know or are they just following the crowd. Cause honestly having played with chess a couple times recently I don't notice anything that's not normal Chesskid behavior.

There hasn't been many people stating that Chesskid is obvtown rather the opposite, I'm failing to see him town-tell hardcore like he normally does early in the game.

This is interesting to note for further reference

WUT?

Unvote

VOTE: Bunnylover

Unvote

VOTE: IceyCupcake

Unvote

VOTE: Mana_Ku

FoSing BunnyLover for that post was derpy. Also, why do you think Icey is scum?

True fact: LMP and me aren't the same person. What applies to me, doesn't have to apply to him.

I still like how you basically argue I'm Mafia by saying I am not a joker and by saying I am a joker.
Make up your mind, you weirdo. Only you could look scummy even though you claimed mason with someone that confirms you.

What a pathetic, reaching attack.

You know perfectly well I have scumreads, since you're my top read.

You also know perfectly well that Soben asked for my opinoin on those three players individually.

Not sure why Soben did, since I'm supposedly a scumread of theirs that they agreed with my reads, but when someone asks me a direct question I answer it, unlike you.

OVER REACTION ALERT! OVER REACTION ALERT!
ABORT!!! ABORT!!!

Anyone that thinks both Beefster and I are scum seriously needs their head checked.

Interesting post.

Is no one really seeing what I am seeing with chesskid?

I'm not, but to be fair I haven't been making a particular effort to read into chesskids posts, I normally just judge him as obvtown or null.

Amrum, while you're online there's a few people I want your opinion on, they include Zdenek, Manu_Ku and Wrathchild.

This is post 45. Post 46 is my reads of those 3 players for Soben.
But that's not a response?

Beefster, reading the thread is not a scumtell and you're retarded and/or scummy for saying so.

All good town read the thread, looking for scum. It's something you ought to try emulating, even though you're scum.

Being town is not an excuse to not read the thread.

ITT I am called scum for reading the game. Smh

CAPTAIN, THE OVER-REACTION IS AT 400% AND RISING, GET THE FUCK OUT FROM THERE... I REPEAT...

GET THE FUCK OUT FROM THERE

@Beef #741: Wait, you are advocating townies that don't read carefully, even admitting to not reading carefully yourself? Heck, I've missed a few things things in this game and gone back and caught them on subsequent passes, but still would never suggest that not-reading carefully is a town-tell. It's your responsibility as town to read carefully. Just take my whole last debate about Pine's death and SGR's plan, I didn't read the vampire death scene carefully because I usually skim flavor and it lead to a huge distraction. Such a distraction is not helpful to town (maybe it will end up providing some sort of info later as a discussion point), I made a mistake. The bottom line is not-reading carefully = bad for town.

He's so town he hurts.
Also, I found it weird how CMAR was voting him around this stage.

UNVOTE

*applause* Bravo. Good choice. I am town, after all.

To quote InHim: I'm flip-flopping on you like a Magicarp. You constantly change between Townie and Scummy.

Don't like the rubbish/made up case on Amrun. Circular logic indded.

Circular logic, what?

CMAR, what were you trying to say? I still don't get it.

Beefster, I don't care if you're lazy town. All lazy people are not town, and twisting posts to mean something you want them to, and then saying you didn't read when your case falls apart because it makes no sense, is not a towntell.

NOT being lazy is not a scumtell.

Self-metaing does tend to be, though.

I can't put my finger on what's scummy in this post, but there's something here alright.

@Gandalf: I generally don't defend myself much against votes alone. It's a wasted effort IMO. I figure since I'm town, it will naturally resolve itself at some point.

HNGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

/facepalm. I won't confirm anything, but even a three years old baby would be able to get a reliable conclusion from what I've posted.

I am starting to doubt a little and have Beefster as possibly bad town.

Bingo.

STOP...
BEING...
SO...

HNGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Interesting.
Mod- Snow_Bunny [Healthy] (1) - Bunnylover
If their is an ability that is killing off people if they claim, it would obviously belong to the mod. Reason of this thinking is because in OoT mafia, the mods were able to auto hammer masons if they were put at L-1. I really think we should lynch Snow_Bunny and therefore have a chance at claiming. Although this is all

We're not Lynching the Mod

Read it in context.

Amrun et al: You are scummy for xyz
Beefster: You are wrong. I am town.
Others: What about abc
Beefster: I am town though.

Doesn't explain his thought process or nothing, expects us to take it at face value.

To clarify, I don't understand how you can both find me scummy and agree with me that Beefster is scummy. It seems incongruous.

This is another one of those really interesting posts. I am pretty sure Amrun and Beefcase aren't partners.

@Dry: Have you SEEN my case on LMP? It's amazing. Too bad you're all over one of my favorite tells too.

*Isos Riceballtail*

"Case", lol

I just read something that makes me think you're town.

Will you say what?

Seriously?

Still dodging all my questions, ABR?

I'm not sure you really know what it means to dodge a question. (Let alone ALL of them) Dodging questions =/= not answering them. ABR (and myself) have not been answering questions for one reason or another (perhaps he didn't see it, and thus, didn't know there was a question to answer). That's a null-tell in my book

This looks like buddying to my small idiotic mind.

Pretty sure gandalf is town though...

There's no one nullier in this game aside from lurkers.
I'd like to know your reasoning

Beef is bugging me so much.

His content is pretty much:

"I'm lazy"
"I'm Town"
"I'm gonna continue to be lazy town"
"You think I'm scum? YOU ARE!"
"You think I'm town? YEAH ME! TOLD YOU!"

Beef is bugging me so much.

His content is pretty much:

"I'm lazy"
"I'm Town"
"I'm gonna continue to be lazy town"
"You think I'm scum? YOU ARE!"
"You think I'm town? YEAH ME! TOLD YOU!"

But does that mean he is scummy? Or just exactly what he says he is?

He's being unhelpful to the discussion. Even if you don't consider him inherently scummy because of what he says (Which I do), you should be suspecting him for basically "unreadable" with his lazy answers.

Post #897 by Implosion - Really dislike the attack on Snake for something trivial, there's a difference between scummy and a scum-tell, selfvoting is scummy but it's not exactly a scum-tell so Snake is indeed correct here.

Didn't even vote this, but yeah, one more reason for me to suspect Implosion

What's interesting about these two wagons is that nobody hops from one to another, something I'd expect to see done by opportunistic scum. This suggests to me that most likely both or none of these players (Beef/Amrun) are town. Since I doubt (but I've seen it done before) that scum would push so hard on each other at this point, I suspect both are town.

Interesting conclusion, can't say its wrong or right, but I found it pretty interesting.

"Ohhh- breadcrumb?"

Gandalf has stated before he doesn't want to breadcrumb his role because its best if no one knows what it does

"Does this mean you get 13 votes?"

Your point is?

Town collecting together to kill scum = group vig. We pick like two people, and vig them. Those who are too cool for it get lynched or killed themselves.

The problem with this, as stated before, is that Mafia might have roles to either protect or hide people.

Implo, Amrun, gandalf made the top 3. Choose who dies.

Implo, Amrun and Beefster, as far as I'm concerned.

I'l go with Implo, though.

Zdenek however, is making softly softly attacks on easy targets, which to me points at scum trying to not get too invested in a mis-lynch.
Beefster/Amrun for example. Vote on lurker Snake for no real reason is bad. Weak reasons on Pine when there were good reasons for voting him

I can see it.

So much shit is happening right now.
Looking back, I think Amrun is over-agressive Town, not sure about Beefster, I can see Zdenek being Mafia. But honestly, I still want Implosion.

Restating after rereading better:
I think Amrun is over-reactive and over-agressive, not sure but leaning scum. I think Beefster is very anti-townie but can't tell if he's scum. I can see Zdenek being Mafia and I can't wait to get my hands on Implosion

What makes you think that Amrun is an easier target than Beefster?

This is a good point. I think Mafia would prefer to go against the very anti-townie person than the over-agressive person.

Implo, Amrun, gandalf made the top 3. Choose who dies.

My order of preference:

CryMeARiver
implosion

Hey there. Provide your case on me asswipe.

Well, not voting you yet, so don't need a case. However, certain things I didn't like:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... #p3064692- It is much more preferable to lynch scum than to mislynch.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... #p3065175- defending the above post
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... #p3078599- resorting to name calling

If you honestly reread the thread and the best thing you can come up with is CMAR being Scum, I suggest you to reread again

[SGRaaize]

This post is a breether between my Wall of Text and my post with my tells

[SGRaaize]

Here are my current reads:

100% Sure Town: SGRaaize, the great.

Fairly Positive Town: WrathChild; Katy; Chesskid3

Leaning Town: Mana_Ku (I know he claimed Mason with Chesskid3, but I just can't put Mana_Ku and Chesskid3 in the same category when Mana_Ku is so much scummier); Albert B. Rampage; Baby Spice; Zdenek; CryMeARiver

Don't matter cause he's Third Party or Town: Icey

Null: Bunnylover; Dry-fit; Feysal; inHimShallIBe; SnakePlissen; LynchMePly

Sweedish Null: Gandalf

Leaning Scum: PeregrineV; Soben; RiceBallTrail; Beefster; Amrun

Fairly Positive Scum: Implosion

[SGRaaize]

Its worth nothing Dry-Fit is in the line between Null and Leaning Scum while Snake is in the line between Null and Leaning Town

[SGRaaize]

Oh right. I was just so used to your weird ass way of FoSing and completely forgot for a second about Icey's role.

[SGRaaize]

You still scummy, though >:(

[SGRaaize]

Hnghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

The way you answer to every accusation, its so townie and so scummy at the same time. It looks as if you're Townie who knows he is saying Townie stuff but on the other hand it sounds like you're Mafia who is just trying to act cool under pressure andAIGJAFDOGKAOFDASOFAKOGAKPDGALPGL

I have my eyes on you, mister

[SGRaaize]

Ops, you're right, Swiss Null indeed.

[SGRaaize]

What does Swiss null even mean?

[SGRaaize]

Fairly Positive Town: WrathChild; Katy;

Chesskid3

Leaning Town:

Mana_Ku (I know he claimed Mason with Chesskid3, but I just can't put Mana_Ku and Chesskid3 in the same category when Mana_Ku is so much scummier)

; Albert B. Rampage; Baby Spice; Zdenek; CryMeARiver

This doesn't work at all, chesskid and Manu_Ku confirm each other as town masons therefore if you find Manu_Ku's play scummy in some way you should have some doubt towards Chesskids allignment. You can't judge them separatly as their allignment is directly related.

I explained in that exact freaking post you quoted why I put Mana_Ku below, I know if Chesskid3 is Town, Mana_Ku is also town, but I just want to say Mana_Ku has acted scummier than Chesskid3, that's all.

[SGRaaize]

SGR: I believe you are town, but you need to sit down and think carefully about your reads. You state thatG Beefster and I are not scum together, yet proceed to put us both in your top three based off of the cases we have made on each other. In addition, your top scumread is implosion, and I have been following my suspicion of implosion all game and in fact was one of the very first (maybe first, idk don't hold me to this) to express serious suspicion of implosion. Your reads need to reconcile all of these discrepencies.

I said I didn't think you were partners, not that you weren't both scum

SGR, so let me get this right...you fos R and me because we won't inherently trust Icey. R seems to be fairly sure he is town/3rd party, but without a very very very strong read on him I am not willing to do that stupid vote shit. For all we know, Icey COULD be scum and he has been powering up his ability all day and maybe I daresay he even used it to kill Pine somehow. The stupidity of blindly doing what another person tells you to do with your vote infuriates me beyond all belief. Like literally it is the stupidest fucking shit!

But you yourself said you don't think Icey is scum (or one of you, whatever, I hate Hydras).

[SGRaaize]

Regfan, someone just told me you're Maxwell :O
I am now 50000000000 times more afraid of you.

[SGRaaize]

I don't want to speculate much on the setup, so I simplify things

1) You both seem scum to me
2) You are obviously not partners

Those are the two things I am thinking at the moment. From then on, I'l make no further guesses. So many things can happen in this setup is just not worth thinking too much about it and just try to think who is scum.

[SGRaaize]

We have a very different philosophy of things, SGR.

Ok

Like I said, I think you're town

Cool

but I don't even remotely uderstand the thought process behind this: "I agree with X and Y's cases on each other. X and Y are both scum!"

I am not sure either of you are Scum, I'm leaning scum. And it doesn't matter if you're not partners, there's so much shit that can be in this setup, a Cult, a Serial Killer, Two Mafias, who the heck knows? Either ways, I am leaning non-townie on you guys, if it changes anything

(I also think the "case" on me is utter shit, but we can disregard that.)

You over-reacted in a very agressive way to small stuff. That's a scum-read as far as I'm concerned.

(INB4 someone starts saying: "NO, SCUM NEVER DOES THAT, TOWN DOES THAT", whatevs)

[SGRaaize]

Over reacting to a small FoS is inherently scummier because Town obviously doesn't mind being lynched as much as Scum (not saying Town likes to be lynched, or that it doesn't defend itself, for that matter, but they are generally slower to start jumping the gun)
"That was a pathetic reaching attack" didn't look like anything other than an over-reaction to me, especially considering the quoted post, which was passive-agressive at worst of the worst.

Plus, you weren't cooperative with Town that was just trying to make sense of what you are, you answered agressively to everyone that tried to scumhunt you. That's another thing I find Scum doing more than Townies.

PEdit: QTF

[SGRaaize]

I just noticed LMP hasn't posted in years, what's up with that?

[SGRaaize]

Oh wait, nevermind, he's V/LA, sorry bout that.

[SGRaaize]

That tells us... absolutely nothing...

[SGRaaize]

After rereading you, I retract my point on you being uncooperative, I was basing myself on this post when you said this

What are the points of these questions? They don't seem to have one.

I saw you were cooperative to all the questions except that specific one.

Still, you have over-reacted a lot over almost nothing, which is fairly ironic considering this post:

Pine, your early and your most recent posts are attrocious, but more importantly, you flip the fuck out any time anyone even suspects you a little bit, and it doesn't come off as town to me. You also didn't quote all the reasons I gave for suspecting you, as bare as they were, but you still misrepresented me in an attempt to discredit me.

Also, I still think your tunneling on Beefster is scummy, don't get me wrong, I also think Beefster has scummy things to him, but I feel as if you just threw everything at him and hoped to see what would stick.

By the way, why do you think I'm Town, Amrun?

[SGRaaize]

I questioned the point of the questions, but I answered each and every one.

Alright, fair enough

You interpret those two posts as over reacting due to my strong statements inn them. That is not how I was feeling when I posted those. I was feeling a bit "I caught scum!" Giddy, actually. BUT I can see how you arrived at those conclusions.

Hmm, ok...

It's ironic to me that you accuse me of mudslinging, since in my opinoin I did the opposite of that. Beefster was the one making vague, unspecific attacks on me AND specific attacks that were blatantly incorrect. I was factually correcting him. And yet, I am the one mudslinging.

The feud between you guys seemed to start with a honest mistake by Beefster, you picked up what looked to me like a small mistake and made a big fuss out of it, Beefster then thought you over-reacted to that (rightly so, IMO), and then you started "mudslinging" over:

1) His weird way to FoS people
2) The fact he unvoted on LMP
3) The fact he didn't answer like one of your questions
4) His Lazyness

I think Beefster is scummy because of his attitude, his way to deal with FoSes on him and some crappy stuff you have rightfully talked about (such as his argument that rereading = Scum-tell, what the fuck?)

But the above points were really not scummy, and the way he answered to them was honest and townie, yet you kept attacking him and pushing on it. It really looks like mudslinging.

I think you're town due to the way your wagon built and your reactions to it, and you trying to break the game (though 0i don't enjoy breaking games myself). This town read may be retracted upon new information, but for the purposes of today, I am not interested in lynching you.[/quote]

Ok, sounds honest to me.

[SGRaaize]

Ops, let me fix that.

[SGRaaize]

I questioned the point of the questions, but I answered each and every one.

Alright, fair enough

You interpret those two posts as over reacting due to my strong statements inn them. That is not how I was feeling when I posted those. I was feeling a bit "I caught scum!" Giddy, actually. BUT I can see how you arrived at those conclusions.

Hmm, ok...

It's ironic to me that you accuse me of mudslinging, since in my opinoin I did the opposite of that. Beefster was the one making vague, unspecific attacks on me AND specific attacks that were blatantly incorrect. I was factually correcting him. And yet, I am the one mudslinging.

The feud between you guys seemed to start with a honest mistake by Beefster, you picked up what looked to me like a small mistake and made a big fuss out of it, Beefster then thought you over-reacted to that (rightly so, IMO), and then you started "mudslinging" over:

1) His weird way to FoS people
2) The fact he unvoted on LMP
3) The fact he didn't answer like one of your questions
4) His Lazyness

I think Beefster is scummy because of his attitude, his way to deal with FoSes on him and some crappy stuff you have rightfully talked about (such as his argument that rereading = Scum-tell, what the fuck?)

But the above points were really not scummy, and the way he answered to them was honest and townie, yet you kept attacking him and pushing on it. It really looks like mudslinging.

I think you're town due to the way your wagon built and your reactions to it, and you trying to break the game (though 0i don't enjoy breaking games myself). This town read may be retracted upon new information, but for the purposes of today, I am not interested in lynching you.

Ok, sounds honest to me.

[SGRaaize]

Also, who told you I'm Maxwell?

Girallon

[SGRaaize]

No. Not really. I argue that reading meticulously is something that scum tends to do more than town. Remember that it's much harder to lie consistently than to simply tell the truth- and thus scum needs to be more careful about reads and ensure that they're consistently lying.

Even though that has its logic, its 100% absurd to use that logic to somehow consider this:

Wraith has already given his reads on me and Beefster, Icey. Try reading.

Even slightly scummy

[SGRaaize]

Actually, that is a little scummy in context, as it looks like another piece of the aforementioned "mudslinging"

[SGRaaize]

I have been putting this vote on Implosion for years. You guys are the slow ones.

[SGRaaize]

Assuming Implosion gets lynched

Damage:

1) Amrun
2) RiceBallTrail
3) Beefster

Investigate:

1) SGRaaize
2) PeregrineV
3) Dry-Fit

[SGRaaize]

Hmm... Actually... I changed my mind on that

Damage:

1) Amrun
2) RiceBallTrail
3) Beefster

Investigate:

1) SGRaaize
2) RiceBallTrail
3) Beefster

[SGRaaize]

I think the possibility of a framer or a similar role in this game is too high to give mafia that much info on investigations.

That's a fair point, another fair point is hider and protector.
If we manage to put a Top 3 List with two of the three names being Mafia, though, I think we can damage and protect Mafia.

Plus, if we manage to damage someone that is for some reason not damaged at all tomorrow, we can always suspect him.

[SGRaaize]

Alliance? What?

[SGRaaize]

SGR, an alliance is merely a group of players who have town-reads on each other voting in a bloc.

I see

[SGRaaize]

I'm sorry for not being much active now, but well, quite frankly, this is boring shit.
Warn me when this day finally ends.

[SGRaaize]

I kinda feel sorry for RBT, but fuck this shit, this is boring as fuck.

Unvote

RBT

[SGRaaize]

CHOO CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
ALL ABOARD, NEXT STOP: RICEBALLTRAIL'S ASS

[SGRaaize]

Unvote

Vote: Implosion

I hear 80 dollars.
The cat with the computer has bid 80 dollars for an Implosion lynch.
Who gives more?

[SGRaaize]

I'm fine with both, the quickest wins. I want this day to end as soon as possible.

[SGRaaize]

I'm not feeling like rereading. Could someone tell me why Gandalf is scum so I don't feel bad about voting him?

[SGRaaize]

THIS DAY IS BORINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

I have now decided I'm not gonna vote you

*Brofist*

[SGRaaize]

1) He's null from the last few times I read him
2) I don't think he got scummier than Implosion, RBT, Amrun and Beefster while I wasn't looking
3) He thinks this day is boring

Deal w/ it

[SGRaaize]

No

[SGRaaize]

Not planning on doing so, either.

[SGRaaize]

Which one works better on you: Threats or Reasoning?

[SGRaaize]

I hear 100 dollars.
100 dollars from the guy with the weird symbol I'm sure means something very hipster for a RBT lynch.

Unvote

Vote: RBT

Who gives more?

Which one works better on you: Threats or Reasoning?

well seeing as i'm confirmed town which do you think?

I'L CONVINCE EVERYONE TO LYNCH YOU IF YOU TRY TO KILL ME.

[SGRaaize]

Why shouldn't i shove this spear I've got in your back tonight, exactly?

@SGR and CK3: STFU you're both town.

Its nice to have some fun once in a while, especially during SUCH A FUCKING LONG DAY.

@Chesskid3: Do you really want this day to drag on for 10 more days?

[SGRaaize]

>this day to drag on for 10 more days?
You know what I meant :3

[SGRaaize]

Chesskid3's posts just won't feel the same with a different username and avatar behind them

I'L CONVINCE EVERYONE TO LYNCH YOU IF YOU TRY TO KILL ME.

Is this serious?

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[SGRaaize]

Ops, let me fix that again

[SGRaaize]

I'L CONVINCE EVERYONE TO LYNCH YOU IF YOU TRY TO KILL ME.

Is this serious?

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[SGRaaize]

I feel like we're actually making PROGRESS.

[SGRaaize]

Just change your vote to RBT if you think he's scum too, Soben, Implosion can wait.

[SGRaaize]

L-3, I would normally ask for a claim at this point, but...

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Plus, as I said earlier, the buildup to the RBT wagon doesn't sit right with me. The "zOMG how can you know 2 teams" stuff is phony as shit. Which basically makes it a policy lynch.

Alright, I promised myself I wouldn't talk anymore this day, but this is just bullshit.
Hear this: I am not gonna guess myself, here's what I know: 1) Beefster and Amrun don't seem partners. 2) They're both scummy. 3) I'm fine with lynching both of them, even though I would rather get Implosion. 4) This day has been taking way too long and I want to come to the juicy part where I get to fuck some shit up.

Not only that, but you are lacking reading comprehension, that logic was used towards Amrun and Beefster, not Implosion or RBT.

One more thing, to everyone saying "Its impossible for every single BW in here be Mafia". I don't give a shit, I'm gonna lynch everyone I think is scummy, I am not gonna make any guess about the setup.

I am Town -> I win when Mafia is dead -> I lynch Mafia -> I have no way to knowing who's Mafia for sure -> I try to scumhunt -> I come to my conclusions -> I hear everyone else's arguments -> I lynch and damage whoever I think is scum.

That's it, that's all I'm gonna do for now, and probably forever, considering claims are prohibited.

Deal with it.

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Ops, wait, nevermind, I got what you meant with "Two teams" now. Still, I noticed via ISO you FoS'd me before because I said "Well, I feel sorry for RBT, but I don't care", so the second half of my post still applies.

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I would feel safer if we also saw Bunnylover dying due to that

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There's a difference between being Conside and not saying anything

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Are we there yet?

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Are we there yet?

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Are we there yet?

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Are we there yet?

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1'm s0 1337

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L-2

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You think we get killed if we talk about our spells too?
Shitsux.

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You're basically giving me a big red button and asking me not to press it...

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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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BURNING...

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HAMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER

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Yeah, I also think that Implosion is more likely scum than RBT, but who cares? ITS NIGHT TIME.
I'm actually not sure if I'm gonna target Implosion, he seems like such an obvious target.

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Is it bright where you are
And have the people changed
Does it make you happy you're so strange?
And in your darkest hour
I hold secrets flame
We can watch the world devoured in its pain.

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Oh shit, you can submit actions at day? Didn't even know that.

Teeheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh

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I should probably read the rules and my role PM better

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FUCK YEAH

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This is probably the quiet time where I should reread again and form more reads so that I can choose my targets for my spells well

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.....

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Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

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I'm bored

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Good to know I'm not the only impatient one here

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I lost 4 HP, which one of you bastards did this?
Also, I was pretty happy at the end of the day, only Albert B. Rampage was a kill that really hurt us, but now we lost two obvious Townies, shit sucks.
Welcome back, RBT.

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I really want to vote someone and unvote, just to see if it works as people are theorizing, but I'm afraid of worse consequences than the inability to unvote

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Ops!!!
Alright, someone tested then. *Grabs popcorn*

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Speaking of reading the thread, I gotta go reread and make yet another Wall of Text based on D1 with the new Info we gathered. :effort:

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Alright, my Wall of Text was nearly not as big as I thought it would be, so I hope people read it this time:

SGR:
Wine arguements, self-meta arguements.
I got no idea what to make of him yet.

Hey, Baby Spice, what do you think of me now? And who do you FoS more between Beefster and Zdenek now?

Would really like to hear more from SnakePlissken, not liking his contribution so far.

Snake has contributed more than you

Something that caught my eye as I was reading was how abruptly Zdenek changed his read when Pine claimed. Even as Pine was pushing his own lynch Zdenek believed he was scum, and suddenly changed when Pine claimed. Why is that?

I think we're the few people that have nothing related to the Undead in their abilities, because a lot of people suddenly believed Pine with his claim, if I recall correctly.

fos: gandalf

Also

fos: katy, zdenek, feysal

I get Gandalf and Zdenek, but why Katy and Feysal? Just wondering.

Ya for FOS count.

FOS: Katy

Read her ISO last night and was infinitely less than impressed. I would recommend it as good reading for anyone else who might want to find scum.

What about Katy? What's going on?

Why is RBT confirmed town. Is an alignment shift not a possibility?

I find this post scummy on at least two different levels.

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Three different levels, to be precise.

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I can see where Gandalf and Zdenek are Scum:

1)Zdenek does look like he's planting reasons to vote that person later in case a BW forms, all without 1) Giving much reasoning himself and just following whatever other person says 2) Flip-Flopping a bit too much for my eyes.

2) Gandalf hasn't said almost anything and from what he says, few things are to be taken seriously or worth of discussion (The difference between Gandalf and Katy/Snake Plissen is that those two, although not saying much, have managed to drop some town-tells that don't look staged, while Gandalf is pretty much in the center and as null as one can be)

Regarding Zdenek, although I do see reasons on why people would think he's Mafia, I did like some posts he made, namely:

Zdenek however, is making softly softly attacks on easy targets, which to me points at scum trying to not get too invested in a mis-lynch.
Beefster/Amrun for example. Vote on lurker Snake for no real reason is bad. Weak reasons on Pine when there were good reasons for voting him.

What makes you think that Amrun is an easier target than Beefster?
What were the good reasons for voting Pine?

I still think that SnakePl is scum. He's posted little and in the post he made before I voted him there was a lot of pro-town fluff, and his current vote is (ironically) on a lurker. He also asks questions that he wouldn't need to if he was reading the thread. If he wasn't on the suggested list of vigging targets, my vote would still be there.

And

Zdenek however, is making softly softly attacks on easy targets, which to me points at scum trying to not get too invested in a mis-lynch.
Beefster/Amrun for example.

I attacked Amrun out of that pair.

So that would be you calling Amrun an easier target than Beefster, not me.

No, it's not. I never thought that I was attacking weak targets. So that is pure B.S.

It's not that he was alarmist per se, but that he built up from a reasonable thing to an alarmist thing.
That he escalated his rhetoric with nothing from Icey that would have supported such an escalation.

Your reasoning here is garbage because you are trying to argue that Soben didn't build up from a reasonable statement to an alarmist one, which is patently false.

He went from: "Derp! Yeah! I don't have to read and can be lazy! Yeah! Screw actually reading anything carefully!" to a very in depth poster who has detailed theories and reads on different people. This was just over the course of about 4 RL days. It is a huge posting style flip and it bugs me. If we aren't going to lynch him, fine, but I don't like what I'm getting from him.

This is one of the worst reasons I have ever seen someone use to try to push a wagon (for the record, I have seen this argument used by scum in the past). Player plays badly, comes under pressure for it, improves, and scum not wanting to abandon their original case, uses this stupid reason to keep pushing their lynch.

Why does anyone have a town read on WC again?

Regarding Gandalf, I don't mind lynching him today, he is a lurker that is pretty much as null as it can be in my eyes, and I like lynching both lurkers and null people, I'd like Dry-Fit more than Gandalf, though, he's also a lurker, and I don't like most of what he said, namely, the fact that he seems to be tunneling on the easiest targets (Me, Snake) without noticing anything else going on in the game, and even going as far as using that as an excuse ("Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't notice Pine because I was just looking at SGRaaize"), plus, him calling out Snake on lack of contributions is just ridiculous.

Good enough?