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Many reasons void:
We know too little about how the scumpowers work, do they become more powerful if other colourless are dead? Do they become more powerful if all of a single colour is eliminated? Is the scumteam split into our colour groups so when we lose one they get a power as well?
The 13 people is dis concerning to me as well, from my PM there seems to be least 3 people in my colour (although probably 3), but there is either:
a) an uneven spread of colour
b) a 4-man scumteam
c) a SK
d) 2 2-man scumteams
If there is a claim spread of 5-4-4, where do we start? The town spread could be 4-3-2, or 4-3-3, or really anything. And focusing on that instead of actually scumhunting can only help the scum.
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I think the uneven spread is the most likely to prevent a colour-claim breaking the game.-
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packbat wrote:
Therefore, if colors are revealed upon death, any individual who claims to be the same color as some number of corpses paints a bullseye on their head. If colors are not, individual color claims offer little or no additional information to scum.
There are other effects of color revelation on death which are even more important: for example, if colors were not revealed on death, a color massclaim would immediately reveal to scum the true census without aiding town much in IDing scum (although some effectively-counterclaim things could be done, if a player gained two powers but scum claimed to be their color).
None of this is relevant at all, we are not massclaiming colour at this point and whether colour is revealed or not at death does not change this. By the time claiming does become viable we will know if colour is revealed on death anyways.-
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Just going to add a bit to rhinocke:
hiphop wrote:xvart wrote:Personally, I hope the first town death is someone in my color group, because I want some powerz.
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Not sure what all the voided nonsense is about, can someone please explain?
Hiphop comes out here saying that he does not understand why void is getting voted and votes for xvart. But why would he vote for someone outside of RVS who he does not think is scum?
hiphop wrote:oh, please. Where did I try to start any counterwagon? I knew exactly what you were saying, so how in the world could I find you scum for that? You said quite clearly you wanted the first town death, not the first death.
Not only is that bad, but just a few posts after saying "Q_Q why is my partner getting wagoned?" He jumps onto the wagon because... Void thought that I actually had a decent reason to vote him? What is this I don't even...
hiphop wrote:Nope, it is the fact that he agrees that the reason for glass voting him, is a good reason for glass believing him to be scum. And if he believes that is a good reason for him being scum, why shouldn't I?
Total misrepresentation of what void was saying, it was pretty damn obvious to me. I don't know what stranger is talking about how "it all makes sense now".
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And for the record, I didn't know he was at L-1. I thought it was L-2. But if he flips scum, I wouldn't really care.
"Hey guys, IF void flips scum -wink wink- you should not be attacking me for putting the L-1 vote."
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lolcounterwagon + distancing
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I don't understand what hiphop is saying at all. Xvart is scum because he thinks hiphop voted him with the same reasoning as void (Which Xvart didn't even say, it was packbat)? Uhhh...
That is pretty much his entire case on xvart.
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Then why exactly did you vote for me when you quoted that specific line?
hiphop wrote:that was your first post, and the only line besides the vote.
I don't get it, you quoted that line just because it was the only thing to quote? Why quote anything at all if it has nothing to do with your vote?-
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hiphop wrote:
Say what specifically? As far as I am concerned Ghost is my second suspect. I don't know why there wasn't a kill last night, either A they didn't get a kill in and this is indeed a ghost gambit, or B scum get a role that somehow tells ghostlin something about their action, which right now I find to be ludicrous. Which is why, I am content to not vote Ghost, yet. Yet I am surprised you don't agree with me.
I do agree, but in the event that ghostlin is scum I did not want to warn him ahead of time that he was about to slip.-
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I will try and be as concise as possible for why I think hiphop is town:
I think this town has ATS (Arrogant Townie Syndrome); where we are all tunneling on hiphop and don't consider that we could be wrong because we lynched scum so easily yesterday. Hiphop's posts may be rather... dumb, for lack of a better word but I don't think that scum in this position would do something so suicidal as jumping from person to person and then claiming his colour (which is essentially a death sentence). I think that hiphop is just being a VI and there are people like hiplop who are jumping onto the wagon without any reasoning and not being called out on their shit. If hiphop flips town are you going to turn around and attack hiplop suddenly? What for, agreeing with you? He is essentially left off the hook and I want some actual answers from him on why hiphop is scum instead of "LOL HIPHOP YOU ARE POSTING LIKE SCUM, STOP OMGUSING /no elaboration".
Rhinock is also scummy for saying that hiphop went from "PROTECT THE PARTNER" to "BUSBUSBUSBUS" in such a small timeframe when THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE THAT VOID WAS GOING TO GET LYNCHED AT THE TIME.
Yes, a lot of it is WIFOM, but I honestly don't give a shit because the rewards of hiphop performing this kind of WIFOM is not even close to the risk.-
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hiphop wrote:Wifom, if I was scum, wouldn't I vote myself?
And he makes a good point here, I showed no signs of backing off of him and hammering himself there would not only have cut off our conversation but also prevented from knowing what was going on with ghostlin (which he hiphop would know is legit if he is scum)-
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So SC, I am going to assume you don't believe that mers is town since you are voting him. So how do you forsee this going? If you claim is he going to say you are guilty or innocent? Do you think this is all an elaborate plan to get you to claim your colour? You already claimed red/yellow anyways so there is really no point in not claiming.
Hence I support SC claiming first.-
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Let me spell it out for you:
Let us assume that mers is scum.
Options after SC claims:
1. Mers says SC is guilty, we lynch SC and then mers
2. Mers says SC is inno, it was a plan to get SC to claim.
Option 1 doesn't make sense because that is suiciding. Option 2 doesn't make sense because it forces him to claim and therefore be chained down while at the same time attracting a buttload of attention for no reason.
SO WHAT IS MERS' PLAN HIPLOP/SC?-
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Can someone please explain why jedo is L-1?
I really don't see him as scummy at all.
Specifically this question is directed at hotdog, who may have tried to gambit a fakehammer or have actually thought he hammered. Who knows with hotdog.
SC even scummier for jumping onto his wagon for suggesting lynching lurkers.
Let's get this wagon back up.-
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Ok well, the first mention of Jedo by SC was just a few posts back, where he votes him because he was advocating lynching lurkers. Although lynching lurkers is not good play in most cases, I can see why he would want to use it here, and it is in no way scummy. Oh, and for all you people who are all butthurt because jedo is not scumhunting you can take a good look at SC's vote here, who has said no good reason to vote jedo except that he wanted to invoke a policy lynch. What makes it even worse is that SC even insinuated that he may want to lynch lurkers later on at the beginning of day 2. See case 1:
SC wrote:Not too many people were given the opportunity to post a lot yesterday, so I'm not concerned about the number of posts by anybody yet.
"Yet" is the operative word here. Are you worried about anyone's number of posts now? If you are going to attack someone for wanting to lynch lurkers you have some explaining to do regarding this post.
What has jedo done besides suggest we lynch a lurker SC?
SC attacking Mers (Yes, I know it is meran but mers just rolls off the tongue easier) for absolutely no reason. Mers said that he had role info that might make SC guilty, and SC, instead of acting like a townie and saying his role (which could have made it a potential 1v1), flips shit around and refuses to claim. Again without any scumhunting, he just says that "DAYPOWER IS TOO OVERPOWERED TO HAVE ALREADY RAGERAGERAGE" without even knowing what his power was.
What did you think his power was, SC?
After mers says that SC's claim makes sense SC suddenly jumps off of the mers wagon and is cool with him. Might talk about this more in my next post, but I think it is pretty obv bad.
SC wrote:
You're asking for my vote on you back. HotDogs has been useless all game and remains one of my suspects.
So now you are not only saying that hotdog is scummy for lurking (which you just attacked jedo for), but you are threatening to put your vote onto mers for having (in your opinion) a poor read on someone? Oh jeez.
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If we are going to lynch a lurker it is going to be Rhinocke. He has posted less than hotdog or hiplop and I have a slight scumread on him.-
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Rhinocke: No comments on my SC case? ):
Jedo: I believe the "slip" that Rhinocke is referring to is you saying that once hiphop is lynched there will be 1 scum left.
rhinocke wrote:Alright, I've had just about enough of this nonsense from Jedo and Glass.
Awww, I was looking forward to seeing some of my "nonsense" up in your wall, but i guess that throwing my name out there randomly and saying I am ridiculous is good enough. Whatev, a wall about jedo is cool too.
rhinocke wrote:This just looks like a straight-up scumslip to me now that I re-read it. 'If he dies, there's only one scum left'?! Betraying more information than he ought to know if I ever saw it
Well you clearly have never seen it because it is clear jedo was describing the scenario if it were a scumgambit, thus a hypothetical situation. I agree that some of the interactions you pointed out are scummy, but this 'slip' is not and jedo is still not as scummy as SC imo.-
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StrangerCoug wrote:Glass wrote:"Yet" is the operative word here. Are you worried about anyone's number of posts now? If you are going to attack someone for wanting to lynch lurkers you have some explaining to do regarding this post.
What has jedo done besides suggest we lynch a lurker SC?
You oversimplified my vote reason. I attacked Jedo the Jedi for advocating an active lurker lynch when he wasn't voting an active lurker. Long story short, his foot wasn't where his mouth was. Going after active lurkers is an acceptable strategy at this point.
I see, I misinterpreted your vote. Very well.
StrangerCoug wrote:Glass wrote:SC attacking Mers (Yes, I know it is meran but mers just rolls off the tongue easier) for absolutely no reason. Mers said that he had role info that might make SC guilty, and SC, instead of acting like a townie and saying his role (which could have made it a potential 1v1), flips shit around and refuses to claim. Again without any scumhunting, he just says that "DAYPOWER IS TOO OVERPOWERED TO HAVE ALREADY RAGERAGERAGE" without even knowing what his power was.
What did you think his power was, SC?
What makes you think I cared what Meransiel's power was when I clearly thought he was making it up?
That begs the question of why you thought it was made up if you did not even take the time to consider what kind of power he had.
[/quote]StrangerCoug wrote:Glass wrote:So now you are not only saying that hotdog is scummy for lurking (which you just attacked jedo for),
I did not attack Jedo the Jedi for himself doing any sort of lurking.
I meant that you were attacking Jedo for attacking lurkers, but I guess this is a moot point.
StrangerCoug wrote:Glass wrote:but you are threatening to put your vote onto mers for having (in your opinion) a poor read on someone? Oh jeez.
Give me a reason to consider HotDogs town. Seriously. My question regarding the Day 1 hammer went unanswered and he's still being sloppy with his vote.
How was the day 1 hammer scummy? How come you did not bring this up yesterday?-
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OMG CONTRADICTION
Just remembered that you said this:
StrangerCoug wrote:Glass wrote:I think I know what mer's power is based on what he is saying, and if I am right it is in no way overpowered.
Tell me any way in hell a color is going to get a day action first. I don't see it happening.
And yes, I see the crumbs. That's why I want a color and role out of him.
So saying that you did not even consider what role he was is BS on two levels. Congrats.-
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