Colour Concentration Mafia (Mini 1174) - Over

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No colour claiming. I may explain why if someone really wants a colour claim, but I thought about it and it is not beneficial to town.

VOTE: hiplop

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Many reasons void:
We know too little about how the scumpowers work, do they become more powerful if other colourless are dead? Do they become more powerful if all of a single colour is eliminated? Is the scumteam split into our colour groups so when we lose one they get a power as well?

The 13 people is dis concerning to me as well, from my PM there seems to be least 3 people in my colour (although probably 3), but there is either:
a) an uneven spread of colour
b) a 4-man scumteam
c) a SK
d) 2 2-man scumteams

If there is a claim spread of 5-4-4, where do we start? The town spread could be 4-3-2, or 4-3-3, or really anything. And focusing on that instead of actually scumhunting can only help the scum.

PRE-edit: ninja'd

@Packbat
I think the uneven spread is the most likely to prevent a colour-claim breaking the game.

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interesting....

VOTE: Void

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i think its an uneven spread of colour, mine doesn't seem to be in 3

We should stop talking about whether we seem to be in 4 or 3 or whatever.

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Ah yes, for future notice:

I AM A GUY

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@Hiphop
What is the purpose of asking that question?

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No, care to explain?

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Therefore, if colors are revealed upon death, any individual who claims to be the same color as some number of corpses paints a bullseye on their head. If colors are not, individual color claims offer little or no additional information to scum.

There are other effects of color revelation on death which are even more important: for example, if colors were not revealed on death, a color massclaim would immediately reveal to scum the true census without aiding town much in IDing scum (although some effectively-counterclaim things could be done, if a player gained two powers but scum claimed to be their color).

None of this is relevant at all, we are not massclaiming colour at this point and whether colour is revealed or not at death does not change this. By the time claiming does become viable we will know if colour is revealed on death anyways.

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EBWOP:
Hence it seemed like a useless question to me.

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Void needs to get wagoned ASAP.

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...What are you on about?

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WTF was that hotdog

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Hey hotdog, how do you know that void is NOT scum?

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VOTE: hiphop

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Just going to add a bit to rhinocke:

Personally, I hope the first town death is someone in my color group, because I want some powerz.

unvote
vote xvart

Not sure what all the voided nonsense is about, can someone please explain?

Hiphop comes out here saying that he does not understand why void is getting voted and votes for xvart. But why would he vote for someone outside of RVS who he does not think is scum?

oh, please. Where did I try to start any counterwagon? I knew exactly what you were saying, so how in the world could I find you scum for that? You said quite clearly you wanted the first town death, not the first death.

Not only is that bad, but just a few posts after saying "Q_Q why is my partner getting wagoned?" He jumps onto the wagon because... Void thought that I actually had a decent reason to vote him? What is this I don't even...

Nope, it is the fact that he agrees that the reason for glass voting him, is a good reason for glass believing him to be scum. And if he believes that is a good reason for him being scum, why shouldn't I?

Total misrepresentation of what void was saying, it was pretty damn obvious to me. I don't know what stranger is talking about how "it all makes sense now".

And for the record, I didn't know he was at L-1. I thought it was L-2. But if he flips scum, I wouldn't really care.

"Hey guys, IF void flips scum -wink wink- you should not be attacking me for putting the L-1 vote."

@Rhinocke:

lolcounterwagon + distancing

Distancing?

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I don't understand what hiphop is saying at all. Xvart is scum because he thinks hiphop voted him with the same reasoning as void (Which Xvart didn't even say, it was packbat)? Uhhh...
That is pretty much his entire case on xvart.

Then why exactly did you vote for me when you quoted that specific line?

that was your first post, and the only line besides the vote.

I don't get it, you quoted that line just because it was the only thing to quote? Why quote anything at all if it has nothing to do with your vote?

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Xvart is scum, because he ignores, key information that negates his entire case.

And what is his case?

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O_o;

Please do.

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UNVOTE: hiphop
Until ghostlin says what he is going to say i don't want a lynching to occur.

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Ghostlin = content tease extraordinaire

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omfg hiphop, why would you go and say that.

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Say what specifically? As far as I am concerned Ghost is my second suspect. I don't know why there wasn't a kill last night, either A they didn't get a kill in and this is indeed a ghost gambit, or B scum get a role that somehow tells ghostlin something about their action, which right now I find to be ludicrous. Which is why, I am content to not vote Ghost, yet. Yet I am surprised you don't agree with me.

I do agree, but in the event that ghostlin is scum I did not want to warn him ahead of time that he was about to slip.

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If only I had been paying attention at the time I would've quick hammered so fucking fast.

DOES YOUR HAMMERLUST KNOW NO BOUNDS?
and my vote goes on hiphop/ghost depending on ghost's next post.

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On phone, do not lynch hiphop yet!!! The scum might kill ghost if he has useful info before he can talk.

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@ghost
Can a doc save you tonight?

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Sigh, hiphop is town.
But fuck, really?

Oh ya
VOTE: hiplop

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Yes, read the rest of my post hiphop.

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I will try and be as concise as possible for why I think hiphop is town:

I think this town has ATS (Arrogant Townie Syndrome); where we are all tunneling on hiphop and don't consider that we could be wrong because we lynched scum so easily yesterday. Hiphop's posts may be rather... dumb, for lack of a better word but I don't think that scum in this position would do something so suicidal as jumping from person to person and then claiming his colour (which is essentially a death sentence). I think that hiphop is just being a VI and there are people like hiplop who are jumping onto the wagon without any reasoning and not being called out on their shit. If hiphop flips town are you going to turn around and attack hiplop suddenly? What for, agreeing with you? He is essentially left off the hook and I want some actual answers from him on why hiphop is scum instead of "LOL HIPHOP YOU ARE POSTING LIKE SCUM, STOP OMGUSING /no elaboration".

Rhinock is also scummy for saying that hiphop went from "PROTECT THE PARTNER" to "BUSBUSBUSBUS" in such a small timeframe when THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE THAT VOID WAS GOING TO GET LYNCHED AT THE TIME.

Yes, a lot of it is WIFOM, but I honestly don't give a shit because the rewards of hiphop performing this kind of WIFOM is not even close to the risk.

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Wifom, if I was scum, wouldn't I vote myself?

And he makes a good point here, I showed no signs of backing off of him and hammering himself there would not only have cut off our conversation but also prevented from knowing what was going on with ghostlin (which he hiphop would know is legit if he is scum)

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Meh, i can see that argument too, although I disagree that we will learn a lot from his death.

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Screw it. Hiphop needs to die or he will be a point of contention from here on out and his posts are almost unreadable anyways.
VOTE: Hiphop

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AND OMGUS IS NOT A SCUMTELL HIPLOP

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Meransiel has not posted since the 28th, it is possible he is scum, but not all that likely.

Also, is anyone poisoned?

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VOTE: Leis
^Better wagon

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@rhinocke
I am pretty sure you did the exact same thing as Jedo.

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Would you like to explain your careless hammer on Day 1?

really.
really.
really?

You think that hotdog is scum for accidentally hammering scum day 1? That is the nullest tell ever. And you say it is the only good read and then you switch to xvart for "fishing"? lol.
VOTE: StrangerCoug

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was trying to defend Hiphop yesterday, and tried to distance himself from it..

Distance myself from what? Defending him? What are you talking about?
Yes, I defended him because I actually considered the possibility that I was wrong about him being scum.

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LOL, what mer? Why? He has 2 votes.

@SC
You missing the previous page does not make your scumread on hotdog any better.
PS: where is hotdog?

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Maybe you should explain instead of just saying: "lol you guys suck"

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Care to elaborate mer?

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Seems extremely dumb for scum to try a gambit like that at this point in the game. And since SC is on my scumlist anyways I would rather have him lynched (or at least claim)

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...wtf SC?

If your claimed color and action do not match the real PM, you are confirmed scum.

What does this mean?

Good job SC[. Only scum have abilities atm. He just accidentally claimed scum. The OP says nothng about people having day abilities off the start?

/facepalm

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wtf are you talking about.

do not match the real pm

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE "REAL PM" LOOKS LIKE

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...Who says that all the people of a colour got the same power SC?

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So SC, I am going to assume you don't believe that mers is town since you are voting him. So how do you forsee this going? If you claim is he going to say you are guilty or innocent? Do you think this is all an elaborate plan to get you to claim your colour? You already claimed red/yellow anyways so there is really no point in not claiming.

Hence I support SC claiming first.

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I am seeing it that if SC claims after he will know exactly what to say.

Ok hiplop, I will ask you the same question. What is mers going to say about SC's claim? That he is town or scum? Is this all a very elaborate attempt to get SC to claim his colour?

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Let me spell it out for you:

Let us assume that mers is scum.
Options after SC claims:
1. Mers says SC is guilty, we lynch SC and then mers
2. Mers says SC is inno, it was a plan to get SC to claim.

Option 1 doesn't make sense because that is suiciding. Option 2 doesn't make sense because it forces him to claim and therefore be chained down while at the same time attracting a buttload of attention for no reason.
SO WHAT IS MERS' PLAN HIPLOP/SC?

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I think I know what mer's power is based on what he is saying, and if I am right it is in no way overpowered.

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By the way, I guess you can see how my power gets gradually weaker by design. Docs, if any, don't protect me.

WTF YOU JUST TOLD SCUM: "LOL YOU CAN KILL ME TONIGHT"

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Oops, i misread that. I thought it said they CANT protect you.

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I also disagree with the red(s) claiming, it will only out scum if SC is scum since he has already claimed red.

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I am down for a SC or Leis lynch today. Not wanting a jedo lynch.

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Can someone please explain why jedo is L-1?
I really don't see him as scummy at all.

Specifically this question is directed at hotdog, who may have tried to gambit a fakehammer or have actually thought he hammered. Who knows with hotdog.

SC even scummier for jumping onto his wagon for suggesting lynching lurkers.

Let's get this wagon back up.

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@Leis
Ok well, the first mention of Jedo by SC was just a few posts back, where he votes him because he was advocating lynching lurkers. Although lynching lurkers is not good play in most cases, I can see why he would want to use it here, and it is in no way scummy. Oh, and for all you people who are all butthurt because jedo is not scumhunting you can take a good look at SC's vote here, who has said no good reason to vote jedo except that he wanted to invoke a policy lynch. What makes it even worse is that SC even insinuated that he may want to lynch lurkers later on at the beginning of day 2. See case 1:

Not too many people were given the opportunity to post a lot yesterday, so I'm not concerned about the number of posts by anybody yet.

"Yet" is the operative word here. Are you worried about anyone's number of posts now? If you are going to attack someone for wanting to lynch lurkers you have some explaining to do regarding this post.
What has jedo done besides suggest we lynch a lurker SC?

SC attacking Mers (Yes, I know it is meran but mers just rolls off the tongue easier) for absolutely no reason. Mers said that he had role info that might make SC guilty, and SC, instead of acting like a townie and saying his role (which could have made it a potential 1v1), flips shit around and refuses to claim. Again without any scumhunting, he just says that "DAYPOWER IS TOO OVERPOWERED TO HAVE ALREADY RAGERAGERAGE" without even knowing what his power was.
What did you think his power was, SC?
After mers says that SC's claim makes sense SC suddenly jumps off of the mers wagon and is cool with him. Might talk about this more in my next post, but I think it is pretty obv bad.

You're asking for my vote on you back. HotDogs has been useless all game and remains one of my suspects.

So now you are not only saying that hotdog is scummy for lurking (which you just attacked jedo for), but you are threatening to put your vote onto mers for having (in your opinion) a poor read on someone? Oh jeez.

@Jedo
If we are going to lynch a lurker it is going to be Rhinocke. He has posted less than hotdog or hiplop and I have a slight scumread on him.

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Rhinocke: No comments on my SC case? ):

Jedo: I believe the "slip" that Rhinocke is referring to is you saying that once hiphop is lynched there will be 1 scum left.

Alright, I've had just about enough of this nonsense from Jedo and Glass.

Awww, I was looking forward to seeing some of my "nonsense" up in your wall, but i guess that throwing my name out there randomly and saying I am ridiculous is good enough. Whatev, a wall about jedo is cool too.

This just looks like a straight-up scumslip to me now that I re-read it. 'If he dies, there's only one scum left'?! Betraying more information than he ought to know if I ever saw it

Well you clearly have never seen it because it is clear jedo was describing the scenario if it were a scumgambit, thus a hypothetical situation. I agree that some of the interactions you pointed out are scummy, but this 'slip' is not and jedo is still not as scummy as SC imo.

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"Yet" is the operative word here. Are you worried about anyone's number of posts now? If you are going to attack someone for wanting to lynch lurkers you have some explaining to do regarding this post.
What has jedo done besides suggest we lynch a lurker SC?

You oversimplified my vote reason. I attacked Jedo the Jedi for advocating an active lurker lynch when he wasn't voting an active lurker. Long story short, his foot wasn't where his mouth was. Going after active lurkers is an acceptable strategy at this point.

I see, I misinterpreted your vote. Very well.

SC attacking Mers (Yes, I know it is meran but mers just rolls off the tongue easier) for absolutely no reason. Mers said that he had role info that might make SC guilty, and SC, instead of acting like a townie and saying his role (which could have made it a potential 1v1), flips shit around and refuses to claim. Again without any scumhunting, he just says that "DAYPOWER IS TOO OVERPOWERED TO HAVE ALREADY RAGERAGERAGE" without even knowing what his power was.
What did you think his power was, SC?

What makes you think I cared what Meransiel's power was when I clearly thought he was making it up?

That begs the question of why you thought it was made up if you did not even take the time to consider what kind of power he had.

So now you are not only saying that hotdog is scummy for lurking (which you just attacked jedo for),

I did not attack Jedo the Jedi for himself doing any sort of lurking.

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I meant that you were attacking Jedo for attacking lurkers, but I guess this is a moot point.

but you are threatening to put your vote onto mers for having (in your opinion) a poor read on someone? Oh jeez.

Give me a reason to consider HotDogs town. Seriously. My question regarding the Day 1 hammer went unanswered and he's still being sloppy with his vote.

How was the day 1 hammer scummy? How come you did not bring this up yesterday?

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OMG CONTRADICTION
Just remembered that you said this:

I think I know what mer's power is based on what he is saying, and if I am right it is in no way overpowered.

Tell me any way in hell a color is going to get a day action first. I don't see it happening.

And yes, I see the crumbs. That's why I want a color and role out of him.

So saying that you did not even consider what role he was is BS on two levels. Congrats.

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Meh, I had him down as null leis. Rhinocke does bring up some decent points about him, but I still think that SC is scummier.

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Shameless prod-dodge.

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Did you not read him say that it was an accident on day 1? And why is it scummy SC?

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@SC
...>_<

I guess we know that hotdog thinks with this other head.

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This is a textbook example of grasping at straws.

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Oh god, that is unreadable.

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@mod
VC is wrong, leis voted SC in post 364.

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Off to write a final so I will be quick about this: leis, stop being dumb. Mers is clear until someone else claims yellow (which would be suicidal for maf). Hiplop claimed that his role pm did not seem to have 3 people in his colour, scumclaim.
VOTE: Hiplop

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Oh WTF, did leis claim yellow?

UNVOTE:

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I received a one-shot protective role after Pack died and did not use it last night. I thought Merans was the other yellow, and was unlikely to be killed given it would leave one unidentified yellow with a strong PR, thus believing it would be best for me to save my shot. I certainly didn't think my play was spectacular enough to warrant me being NKed either. So, it was a shock when I saw Rhinocke's color flip. And that was why my reaction was what it was (the "uh...huh..." part).

Care to elaborate on your one-shot protective role?
What power did you get when rhinocke died?

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I thought Merans was the other yellow, and was unlikely to be killed given it would leave one unidentified yellow with a strong PR, thus believing it would be best for me to save my shot.

This sounds like a doc role?

I became shielded- 1-shot kill or poisoning immunity- after Pack's death.

This sounds like a 1-shot bulletproof role?

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@Leis
I am confused, with your original ability could you save someone else or only yourself?

Also, game ends today

VOTE: Meransiel

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I was surprised that me/xvart were not killed night 2

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EBWOP
Night 3

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@pack delayed kill is not better if it confirms that person town for the next day and they can be saved the following night.