Colour Concentration Mafia (Mini 1174) - Over

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE: Voidedmafia for being rendered null and void.

And no color claiming. That gives scum info as to the color breakdown.

[StrangerCoug]

Townslip noted.

Why did you have to point this out?

Packbat's speculation stands out, but I can't pinpoint why and I'm having as much trouble deciding his alignment as anybody else's besides my own.

[StrangerCoug]

Townslip noted.

Why did you have to point this out?

I think I missed where the townslip actually IS. -_-

What post is it in, again?

It's unclear to me, but HotDogs denies he means your post. That's something I need to inquire about. (While I'm on him,

major HoS

for the sloppy hammer leading to a quicklynch. I was hoping to get my random vote off VM before he was lynched.)

Lieskyrie and hiphop come off to me as on opposing alignments. While I don't like Leiskyrie's handling of hiphop's inquiry as to why she voted Voidedmafia, hiphop himself is suspicious for moving from Leis to VM so easily. His case on him is... what again? Flailing?

[StrangerCoug]

The point I was making about you was that your case on him was very unclear and seemed arbitrary. Now that it makes sense...

[StrangerCoug]

That's not the best thing to be dwelling on, Packbat. VOTE: Packbat.

I seriously suspect given the speed of the wagon that VoidedMafia was bussed. Not too many people were given the opportunity to post a lot yesterday, so I'm not concerned about the number of posts by anybody yet. Leiskyrie and hiphop still stand out, but on reread Leiskyrie doesn't look

THAT

incriminating and hiphop has generally been helpful overall.

[StrangerCoug]

Way to kill my somewhat town read on you the way you wrote #113, hiphop.

UNVOTE: Packbat
VOTE: hiphop

Oh wow, failed at voting.

Vote: Voided

Why?

PROTECT THE SCUM PARTNER!

Why do you think Leiskyrie is scum?

[StrangerCoug]

Way to kill my somewhat town read on you the way you wrote #113, hiphop.

UNVOTE: Packbat
VOTE: hiphop

Please explain.

Your #113 comes off as flailing, especially the first part. The standouts are that you respond to xvart's vote on you with WIFOM, attempt a meta defense on Rhinocke, and refuse to address Glass.

Oh wow, failed at voting.

Vote: Voided

Why?

PROTECT THE SCUM PARTNER!

Why do you think Leiskyrie is scum?

You have got to be kidding me. Rhinocke is talking about voided, not Leis. You know the known scum.

My bad—closer inspection reveals this to be the case.

[StrangerCoug]

Rhinocke doesn't even have to meta me

Then why did you ask him to?

[StrangerCoug]

The problem is that a smart player will play as close as possible to his or her town meta as scum. The most important thing to consider, then, is motivation.

[StrangerCoug]

Here's the plan: Ghostlin speaks up, hiphop dies. In that order would be preferable. OK?

[StrangerCoug]

Yes. It's possible that what Ghostlin knows will help the town and you've been doing a crappy job at convincing us you should not be getting the rope.

[StrangerCoug]

I have been thinking about this "us" business from strangercoug. I have a huge problem with it, because he didn't say "me". Almost like he isn't controlling his own vote, but putting it where everyone else's vote is. Just like hiplop

fos

From what I understand, it works the other way around. By "us", I mean the town, and because "us" by definition includes the person talking my interests are part of the town's. Acting on my interests and my interests alone would set off alarm bells. Your wires are crossed.

And yes, I do have a case on you. I thought you were pretty decent town. After my vote on Packbat, the wagon on you started, and you have been responding very poorly to the pressure from said wagon. You are now throwing crap to see what sticks. Give me a very good reason to go back to my town read on you.

[StrangerCoug]

Acting on my interests and my interests alone would set off alarm bells.

So your scum, hiding in in with town. Got it, no explanation needed.

So you're scum OMGUS'ing everybody. Got it, no explanation needed. Not to mention that you're now dead.

[StrangerCoug]

If my count's right, it's too late. If Ghostlin is able to post in time, let's hear it, but right or wrong about the vote count I consider hiphop's fate sealed.

[StrangerCoug]

1. Your wrong. L-1.

Brought to my attention.

And wrong about everything else too.

No I am not.

2. Look up omgus

I actually know what OMGUS'ing is. Calling people scum because they are calling you scum. I don't consider the vote all that necessary.

3. Kind of hard not vote someone who is not voting me, when 1. they are the only one's posting, 2. all scum are probably already on my wagon. *cough* Hiplop, coug *cough*

Yes. This is all a conspiracy to get rid of you just because we hate you

4. I actually believe glass and pack are confused townies.

Explain.

5. You don't have a case.

Here's a hint about getting people to reconsider lynching you: When they give a reason, you do not deny that they have a case. Defend against what they accuse you of or explain how their case is weak. It's your choice, but putting yourself in a state of denial is a good way to dig your grave.

Oh wait, motivation got it.

That's right, Sherlocke. And here's the scum motivation behind what you're doing: It is more important to you that you live. Do I care if I die? This is the absolute last game I should be caring if I die. The people of my color will be getting powers if and when I die. Very useful ones, too.

Would you like to supply us with more reasons why you should die?

[StrangerCoug]

And explain what part, the confused or the townies?

I'm looking more at "confused". I still have this leftover off feeling about Packbat because he started with speculation about the lack of kills, but he is not the biggest concern. Ghostlin reads town.

[StrangerCoug]

As much information as you can give on your scum reads would be nice then so we have something to act on.

[StrangerCoug]

I've already explained that I have a looser definition of OMGUS, hiphop. All I'm getting anymore is "Wah, wah, wah, I don't like having a wagon on me; shame on all of you." I honestly don't know why I'm wasting my time anymore.

[StrangerCoug]

OK, now that hiphop is clearly off in La La Land, let's focus on making sure Ghostlin gets his reads out. We want as much of what he thinks is scum and why as we can get out of him. My wet dream is that he has the scum team pegged and posts enough info for us to seal the game, but the operative word is "dream".

[StrangerCoug]

Let Ghostlin think for himself.

[StrangerCoug]

Sigh... hiphop, lynch me if I know what's gotten into you.

[StrangerCoug]

I did not receive a notice that I was poisoned.

Meransiel and Leiskyrie do need to post, but I don't want to forget Day 1. We were so focused on hiphop yesterday that this got overlooked. This is my only really good read anyway.

VOTE: HotDogs

Would you like to explain your careless hammer on Day 1?

[StrangerCoug]

Hold up—I still want that answered, but I didn't see the last page.

That's right, Sherlocke. And here's the scum motivation behind what you're doing: It is more important to you that you live. Do I care if I die? This is the absolute last game I should be caring if I die.

The people of my color will be getting powers if and when I die. Very useful ones, too.

Can you explain the bolded?

Why the fishing? It's clear in the sample role PM that powers get progressively stronger, so I see little pro-town motivation in asking that question.

UNVOTE: HotDogs
VOTE: HotDogs

[StrangerCoug]

I'm very sorry for the triple post. My brain is clearly not awake.

UNVOTE: HotDogs
VOTE: xvart

[StrangerCoug]

You think that hotdog is scum for accidentally hammering scum day 1? That is the nullest tell ever. And you say it is the only good read and then you switch to xvart for "fishing"? lol.

Read the string of posts again. I didn't see the last page.

I understand how the roles work; but you seemed acutely aware of the significance of what powers would be distributed. I was trying to dig out if you just bumbled a soft claim as scum for some town cred or whatnot. And yes, it is clear in the sample role PM that powers get progressively stronger, as it also says in my role PM. But what I really want to know is what you meant by "very useful" powers being gained by your alleged like colored drops. FTR, I suppose I did overbold, and only the last sentence should have been bolded; but I can hardly see the "fishing" claim.

You ask me what I mean by "very useful" powers, then refute that you are rolefishing? That's a laugh.

The fact that you supported hiphop, however briefly, at the beginning of the day seemed like a failed distance attempt and I didn't want to give scumhiphop any ammo on you to distract from his lynch.

That I had a brief town read on hiphop (which, for the record, is not distancing) is an unfortunate bad mark on me, but the way he reacted to the wagon made it clear that I couldn't support a town read on him anymore.

[StrangerCoug]

SC, you need to claim next post.

At L-3? I don't think so. Thanks for tying yourself to xvart.

FoS: Meransiel

[StrangerCoug]

I made scum curious, I see. Too bad for them that I'm not bending over for them and giving them what they want.

xvart and Meransiel. Order is really irrelevant since I believe we've got this nailed.

[StrangerCoug]

I will have time for content later. Right now we must lynch scum. I have role-related reasons to believe Coug is scum, therefore...

Hey, Meransiel, thanks for forgetting that town hasn't had the opportunity to use a night action yet.

UNVOTE: xvart
VOTE: Meransiel

[StrangerCoug]

Glass, why did you bother asking him? The only way his statement makes any sense is if he was poisoned, and since Ghostlin acted in a manner that seemed to indicate that he did not know who poisoned him he must prove that I had a reason to poison him last night. Good luck with that when he's posted very little content.

[StrangerCoug]

A day action screams to me like something a color group would be given

LAST,

Meransiel. Stop trying in vain for a cheap lynch and die.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm not claiming before you, Meransiel. Color and action.

NOW.

[StrangerCoug]

The same applies to you hiding it. It's very simple: If you're telling the truth, you have to be red or yellow. If your claimed color and action do not match the real PM, you are confirmed scum. I don't see how I'm being unreasonable.

[StrangerCoug]

...wtf SC?

If your claimed color and action do not match the real PM, you are confirmed scum.

What does this mean?

Meransiel cannot be counterclaimed as long as he does not claim what he did to me today. By making him reveal color and action, he must take that risk.

[StrangerCoug]

If I'm not the color he claims to be, then I don't. It is not important that

I

know what the real PM for that color looks like. Anybody that can check the color PM in question will do.

[StrangerCoug]

Then lynch the guy who refuses to prove that I am scum.

[StrangerCoug]

It is simply what makes the best sense to me, especially given the wording of the PM. If I am in error, then the roles are almost certainly of similar strength and a disproportionately strong or weak claimed role compared to what the other people got will still screw Meransiel.

[StrangerCoug]

Read my posts again. I did not claim to be anything. I only stated that I do not necessarily have to be the person that verifies his claim. I already believe that it is false since he claimed to have a day action, which seems too strong to be a power given out first.

I am not claiming before Meransiel. End of discussion.

[StrangerCoug]

"Like 100%" give me a free pass? That makes absolutely no sense.

[StrangerCoug]

"Like" implies uncertainly, Meransiel.

[StrangerCoug]

Waterboard me as much as you want for all I give a damn. I am not claiming. Day actions make no sense this early.

[StrangerCoug]

Tell me any way in hell a color is going to get a day action first. I don't see it happening.

And yes, I see the crumbs. That's why I want a color and role out of him.

[StrangerCoug]

Had I gotten ahead of myself? It's very possible that I did. However, the only way I see a power being useless if it is passive, which makes little sense from the sample, or if it is a bastard mod game, for which there is no evidence.

As for using the plural term "powers" and then claiming to think that the remaining players of the two colors that have a player down have the same power, I was using the term "powers" in a collective sense. For example, one doctor power + one doctor power = two doctor powers.

[StrangerCoug]

GRR...

OK. I am red. I also wasn't given a power close to what Meransiel describes. That leaves two obvious options.

[StrangerCoug]

It is obvious from my posts that I have no day ability and I don't think anybody else does either.

The reason I didn't want to claim is because I didn't want to hand over information my power to fakeclaiming scum. Meransiel, claim or no claim, was confirmed scum in my mind. The less I told him about my color, I thought, the better.

[StrangerCoug]

As crazy as this sounds, I am going to UNVOTE: Meransiel. Still puzzled about there being a day action, but I think it is sufficiently weak to make sense.

I'm also with Leiskyrie here. The other reds should not claim.

I'll reread after church.

[StrangerCoug]

What I'm confused about is why Merans thought he could catch Coug in a lie. Theoretically, he would get a yes for roughly 2/3 of town. Plus, how do we know what other colour(s) are out there? Blue hasn't come up yet. It may very well be green. (I mean, primaries makes sense, but still.)

Good point.

[StrangerCoug]

SC: why did you react as though you were sure Meransiel was scum? Did you really think that was a play that scum would have made?

The possibility exists, yes.

I mean, we clearly have very little as far as leads. I say we pick somebody and go with it. hiplop or HotDogs seem like good choices because of that posting just enough not to be a lurker stuff.

You're suggesting we go on an active lurker hunt while your vote sits there idle? If we're really that dry on leads, then put your foot where your mouth is.

VOTE: Jedo the Jedi

[StrangerCoug]

There are at least four other people whose votes weren't doing anything, and I never suggested a lurker hunt. In fact, my point was that those two are posting just enough not to be considered lurkers.

Hence why I said you were advocating an "active" lurker hunt. If you're barely posting, constantly prod-dodging, etc. and not really posting any content when you do, then you are active lurking. There is a difference.

[StrangerCoug]

Scum would auto claim a color with a power to possibly stave off a lynch.

This is WIFOM and doesn't really say anything about me either way.

If you think there are only 3 red members total, don't you mean the other red should not claim?

Oops—lost track. Yeah.

1. You actually serious about lynching HotDog? Please headdesk yourself.

You're asking for my vote on you back. HotDogs has been useless all game and remains one of my suspects.

[StrangerCoug]

"Yet" is the operative word here. Are you worried about anyone's number of posts now? If you are going to attack someone for wanting to lynch lurkers you have some explaining to do regarding this post.
What has jedo done besides suggest we lynch a lurker SC?

You oversimplified my vote reason. I attacked Jedo the Jedi for advocating an active lurker lynch when he wasn't voting an active lurker. Long story short, his foot wasn't where his mouth was. Going after active lurkers is an acceptable strategy at this point.

SC attacking Mers (Yes, I know it is meran but mers just rolls off the tongue easier) for absolutely no reason. Mers said that he had role info that might make SC guilty, and SC, instead of acting like a townie and saying his role (which could have made it a potential 1v1), flips shit around and refuses to claim. Again without any scumhunting, he just says that "DAYPOWER IS TOO OVERPOWERED TO HAVE ALREADY RAGERAGERAGE" without even knowing what his power was.
What did you think his power was, SC?

What makes you think I cared what Meransiel's power was when I clearly thought he was making it up?

So now you are not only saying that hotdog is scummy for lurking (which you just attacked jedo for),

I did not attack Jedo the Jedi for himself doing any sort of lurking.

but you are threatening to put your vote onto mers for having (in your opinion) a poor read on someone? Oh jeez.

Give me a reason to consider HotDogs town. Seriously. My question regarding the Day 1 hammer went unanswered and he's still being sloppy with his vote.

In fact, while it's on my mind, UNVOTE: Jedo the Jedi and VOTE: HotDogs.

[StrangerCoug]

That begs the question of why you thought it was made up if you did not even take the time to consider what kind of power he had.

It's very clear that I thought a day power inconceivable at that point.

OMG CONTRADICTION
Just remembered that you said this:

I think I know what mer's power is based on what he is saying, and if I am right it is in no way overpowered.

Tell me any way in hell a color is going to get a day action first. I don't see it happening.

And yes, I see the crumbs. That's why I want a color and role out of him.

So saying that you did not even consider what role he was is BS on two levels. Congrats.

Some sort of investigative role, yes. I still didn't give much of a damn what investigative role he was going to claim, though.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Possible V/LA for awhile. I don't live near the wildfire in Arizona, but the last time I heard it is very close to power plants serving my area, so the power company may impose rolling blackouts on me.

[StrangerCoug]

This is a very quick post. I'm relegated to MouseKeys at the moment as my sister's mouse has stopped working and using it heavily is a pain in the neck.

hiphop and Leiskyrie have already been explained. As for the vote hopping, I concede overreacting to Meransiel but would like you to explain how my other three vote reasons are faulty.

[StrangerCoug]

HotDogs, where the hell is my explanation for the Day 1 hammer?

[StrangerCoug]

Some attention-paying would have been nice. Why did it not occur to him to check the count? I don't care who it's on; sloppy hammering is a sign of inattentiveness and inattentiveness is a scum tell in my book.

[StrangerCoug]

I stand by my word and refuse to switch my game to softball.

[StrangerCoug]

I hate softball.

Good. Now explain why HotDogs should be afforded leniency. And don't say "because VoidedMafia flipped scum."

[StrangerCoug]

OK, this is going nowhere. I still think HotDogs needs to die.

[StrangerCoug]

It now appears that Stranger Coug is ignoring all logic to tunnel onto me in the thickheaded pursuit to make people believe that I am aligned to the colorless faction. If the player who's name is Jedo the Jedi receives enough votes to be lynched and that lynch does not end the game then I will vote for Stranger Coug. I may decide not to vote Stranger Coug if he were to start using his brain but I do not predict that he would do such a thing.

You can 1.) cut the insults and post/direct me to your case on VoidedMafia and 2.) post more in general.

You refute my counterargument that I wasn't rolefishing as laughable (242), so you clearly believe that I was actually rolefishing and therefore you should still think I am scum regardless of your opinion of Meransiel; but you choose to vote for Jedo (332) under the pretext of him suggesting active lurker hunting.

If people would please stop factoring out Jedo the Jedi's lack of a vote in this.

Then you voted HotDogs under the pretext of them not being town enough (354). You provided weak (or no) justification for them being scum; but rather them not being town enough?

See above.

Your switch vote on Meransiel from your vote on me is strange since you explicitly stated that he was tied to me. In most cases you should have been voting me regardless of your opinion on Meransiel since you suggested he was protecting me, then upon my alleged scum flip you would follow up with Meransiel. Under the circumstances, and if you were town, it would be justifiable since someone was claiming information on you being scum; but even considering that you should have immediately returned your vote to me since Meransiel's claim has nothing to do with my scum level. Since you didn't return your vote to me and instead went to Jedo for active lurking hunting it is obvious that you didn't really believe I was scum to begin with.

Opinions change, xvart. If I establish that you and Meransiel are connected, then decide that Meransiel isn't scum, then I fail to see what's wrong with deciding you aren't scum either.

I'm not claiming my power as it has obviously gone unused and claiming will give scum ideas as to what red has.

[StrangerCoug]

In any event, I do not view you as the scummiest player. HotDogs dead would make me happy, but forced to settle with a Jedo the Jedi lynch, that's fine.

[StrangerCoug]

HotDogs, where are your damn thoughts on what you thought of VoidedMafia besides the "he was scum" implied when you voted him? I do not like being ignored.

[StrangerCoug]

In any event, I do not view you as the scummiest player. HotDogs dead would make me happy, but forced to settle with a Jedo the Jedi lynch, that's fine.

Which is it? I'm possibly scum or not scum at all?

Not scum.

I'll look at Jedo the Jedi in a bit.

[StrangerCoug]

...or not.

[StrangerCoug]

I feel sorry for StrangerCoug, there was very little he could do. Do you know why he 'reacted too strongly'? Because his sole remaining teammate fucked both of them in a single post.

Quoted for @#$%ing truth. Yes, there are things I could have done differently (since you don't arbitrarily lynch people, I must have done something to get me lynched, and I knew something was up when I found out town wasn't told their powers in advance unlike scum), and yes, it could be altered to help scum out with mid-game claims, but still, give me a good reason not to beat Meransiel to a pulp with a sledgehammer.

I very much want a pre-/in for Color Concentration Mafia II. I deserve that second chance.