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[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote cworl

[vezokpiraka]

Why are people voting me without reasons?

He's panicking. Caught scum.

[vezokpiraka]

I was going to say we should MC. But then I thought and no I'm not going to say.

[vezokpiraka]

I've seen people play like CMAR is right now (Parama comes to mind), and you can't use that style of play as a read either way. Just sayin'.

@TheJackalope: What's questionable about it? You say it isn't scummy, so what's wrong with it?

@vezokpiraka: I've been on the site for over a year now, and I've never seen that abbreviation. What's MC?

I approve of RVS bandwagons, for anyone following that debate. However, RVS wagons rarely (as Surye said) lead to a lynch, and experienced players don't really react to them in my experience. New players might, I guess. They do provide points of discussion, which is why RVS wagons are useful. @Ironhead: Even if someone "discerns a 'scum read'" from a reaction due to an RVS wagon, it's up to the rest of the town to discuss it. Another point in favor of RVS wagons.

tl;dr: RVS wagons are more helpful than hurtful.

oh lol:)
Mc is mass claim. sorry for the confusion.

[vezokpiraka]

Ok, I don't think I'll ever cuss again, but seriously Vezo makes me soooo fucking pissed. I can't ever get him to reply to any of my questions and he seriously never posts and productive content. Honestly, I'd rather some mod ban his IP adress forever or something. I seriously believe he has mental problems, and he should not be allowed to play mafia. OK, sorry for my outburst.

I have no mental problems.

You on the other hand...

Let me tell you with words I'm hoping you'll understand: I do not care what you think about me. You're just a douche ass-hole shit. So I don't care.

As for the mass claim. I thought mass claims in open games are good because it limits the scum to claim vanilla. Unfortunately in this game we can't see the roles of others so no MC.

Also I didn't do anything scummy this game.

[vezokpiraka]

Let's claim PR or not.

That way we lock scums into their claims without outing PRs

[vezokpiraka]

Disregard my last post. I'm too annoyed right now to think straight.

[vezokpiraka]

Cobblerfone: I want you to state your opinion on everyone so far.

[vezokpiraka]

Town

jil (outburst was bad, but no way is it coming from scum.)
Ironhead (I've really liked his posts)

Leaning Town

Mask (He came up with the self-investigating idea.)
Surye (For now)

Town vibe

monk (I feel a kindred spirit with the way he posts.)
DeityKabuto
Sathoris
vezokpiraka

Interests of pursuit

Earworm
wredfar
Surye (Yes he's in two catergories.)

Null

CMAR (I've explained this.)
C-Worl (C-Worl is just plain null)
Nocmen (Went from leaning town to interest to unable to question. Will evaluate further.)

Everyone not mentioned hasn't really stuck out to me or doesn't have many posts.

I don't have a scum catergory. I'm an ex-vibe-style-hunter but that didn't go well. Plus, I'm mostly inconfident in my scumreads so if I did go after anyone on the first day it'd be halfheartedly. I have to wait for voting/lynch data before I'm truly confident in anything after my experience in my newbie-game. So unless something interesting comes up, it'll be hard for me to think anyone is really scum today.

Interesting. Do you fell like you're playing the same as in the last empking game where you were scum?

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote cobblerfone

You're scum here sorry.

[vezokpiraka]

Oh God.

Cobblerfone is still scum.

I still think we should move on.

[vezokpiraka]

What's with the Pine wagon?

I don't get it.

[vezokpiraka]

I replied the way I did because his post pissed me off.

He's the closest thing to a wagon.

He has 3 votes. Others have one or zero.

I order for him to have 3 votes there must be suspicion around. I don't see it.

[vezokpiraka]

Ok, I'm sorry for posting 2x, but Pine you've had some useless posts, so have sorasgoof, so I was refering it to all 3 of you.

Mainly, though it was DK. God, at least 75% of her posts seem either clueless or pointless.

Oh. So you have no problem with my posting?

Interesting.

Please tell me who are your scum suspects and why. And don't tell me DK because of lurking.

[vezokpiraka]

Cobblefone is still scum.

Can't you see it? Now he is posting less in order to make the suspicion go away form him.

[vezokpiraka]

I think Surye is scummy.

DK not so much but he is just annoying.

[vezokpiraka]

I think Surye is scummy.

DK not so much but he is just annoying.

Sorry. But can you tell me how to change, say how you want me to play?

State your suspects and say why are they scummy.

[vezokpiraka]

Fine, I'm always preaching about how you shouldn't think about people's meta's, and yes, Deity Kabuto is being extremely scummy (not that he's usually not) so

Vote: Deity Kabuto

You changed your opinion in two posts. Why?

Did the fact that earworm voted made you think you should kill your buddy?

[vezokpiraka]

I have this urge to hammer that idiot. Even though I'm pretty sure he'll flip town.

[vezokpiraka]

No.

We lynch him now. We won't know what he will flip if we let him alive.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote Bobblerfone

[vezokpiraka]

Yeah. earworm is scum.

unvote
vote earworm

He is voting Cobblerfone hoping to get a bigger wagon going.

[vezokpiraka]

@VEZO: get your ass in here and explain yourself dammit.

You guys are right. I'm just tired.

And I agree with Cobbler's case on Vezo.

If you agree that you are wrong why are you still voting him?

Today is post or die. Working on it now. I apologize. Life is getting the best of me.

...........

Vote: jilynne1991

I want to hear more from her, not liking this dissappearance.

Need to do another analysis on Cobbler, vezok, and Peregrine though.

Jily's had terrible activity in all of her games lately. It's pretty null.

What do you want exaplined?

[vezokpiraka]

What do you want exaplined?

I would like for you to address the point Mask raised in #550. You followed earworm in voting Cobblerfone in your post #479; I note that you did not provide a justification at all (though you did "unvote," despite not having cast a vote yet today). Then in your post #535, you hop on the earworm wagon with the justification of "He is voting Cobblerfone hoping to get a bigger wagon going." This justification is patently absurd, because earworm was the first one to vote Cobblerfone; and

you

were the one to join him in voting Cobblerfone!

I've never played a Mafia game with you before, and so to my virgin eyes you appear to be obvious scum. But I get the impression that others in this game are hesitant to consider you scum instead of (young/inexperienced/foreign/unintelligent/mentally handicapped). Why would they think that? What have you done in the past to make Cobblerfone say "I don't feel like wasting a lynch on a six"?

My mindset was this.

Earworm has a growing wagon.
He is voting for someone else without giving too many reads probably bussing.
Then I unvoted and voted eraworm.

Does that make sense now?

[vezokpiraka]

Get a wagon going, this game is already very boring.

[vezokpiraka]

His vote was there to deflect from the wagon he was going to get.
Cobblerfone was scummy from yesterday, he still is.
It's probable bussing because I consider both of them scum.
No it wouldn't be , but cobblerfone was a big target yesterday so today he is just trying to get away with it.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote peregrnie

LOL. I don't see town saying something like that.

[vezokpiraka]

coolies, I've caught up with all my games now, yay!
Now for my reads:

Town:

Cobblerfone
Deitykabuto
CMAR
Sathoris
jilynne
earworm
Surye
Ironhead

Scum:

Vezok

wredfar

PeregrineV

TheMask

null:

CWorl

sorasgoof

TheJackalope

Pine

SCUM

PeregrineV
Mask

Nocmen

Sorasgoof

Pine

C-Worl

Vezokpiraka

Cobbler
Surye
Earworm
Ironhead
Jily

(as per another post)

TOWN

Amrun replaced Quilford who replaced monk.
Monk's reads are at the top, Amrun's reads below.
2 distinct players,
One male, one female.
One US east coast, one Australian East coast.
One day1 reads, one day2 reads

Almost exact same reads? Who are you kidding? Might happen if you were town, but totally doubt it. Guessing you replaced into a scum slot, and it's easier using what the slot already posted then redo their work.

Unvote. Vote: Amrun

This post. I can't see it coming from town. He is strawmanning to get a lynch on amrun.

[vezokpiraka]

Post 536

Claiming: Hider.

Ironhead is town.

Post 539

I believe the claim and the motivation of Iron as his target.

Unvote

Post 540

Decent chance that he was town and I like his use of logic. Good person to have confirmed.

@Nocmen- How could you like it when he hadn't even given it yet?

Vote: Nocmen

This post is incredibly bad.

He never ever mentioned nocmen in his posts before. This is scum testing the waters if I ever saw one.

[vezokpiraka]

@Ironhead: what about Pine instead? If you feel really strongly about Vezok I'd be down, but I'd prefer a Pine lynch right now

I'd rather lynch vezokpiraka.

His last few posts have been very poor for the town; I get the impression that he isn't even trying to appear townish,

and why should he if we don't vote him for his demonstrated scumminess? He floated along with the prevailing winds, voting Cobblerfone without reason, voting you (eliciting a PR claim), and voting PeregrineV (eliciting a PR claim). His last two vote switches have been very poorly justified. He clearly just wants to hop on the biggest bandwagon.

I don't have a town read on Pine, but I don't have a strong enough scum read on him to lynch him instead of vezokpiraka.

...

Amrun, why do you think vezokpiraka is town?

Wait what? (the bolded)

How does that make sense? If I am town why would I need to appear townie. I am already town. Trying to appear townie is what scum do. I'll tick that as a scumslip for you, but I don't consider it such a big of a deal.

In the meantime

unvote
vote cobblerfone

[vezokpiraka]

Okay, VOTE: Vezok.

I read through the last few pages, and I don't like Vezok's posting whatsoever. I haven't liked it all game. Also...

I'll tick that as a scumslip for you, but I don't consider it such a big of a deal.

You consider it a scumslip, but it's not a big deal? I'm not following. A scumslip should be the biggest deal ever. If you think he slipped, why aren't you voting him?

It's something that both town and scum could say. Usually scum use it more than town.

[vezokpiraka]

I want to hear what you think about appearing town. Where do townies fit in with that theory? What should townies be doing that's different from what scum does acting town? I'm not disagreeing with it, but I want to hear your personal stance.

Townies don't need to "act" town; they have the advantage of authenticity, so their actions should speak for themselves. Scum must try to blend in and feign authenticity. If they do not, they immediately exude their scumminess, as it appears vezokpiraka is doing.

I may be wrong -- I was wrong about earworm -- but we won't know until vezokpiraka is forced to defend himself.

I'm not sure who vezokpiraka's partners might be -- although Amrun does jump out as a candidate -- and I don't want to stumble into the pitfall of guessing scum teams before anyone flips scum. My suspicion of him being protected is in the general sense in that (nearly) everyone is ignoring the case on vezokpiraka (except me and Surye so far). Everyone else's inaction allows scum inaction to blend in.

Let me understand. I am scum , because I don't act townie, but townies don't have to act townie because they are authentic.

Do you see the problem in that statement?

[vezokpiraka]

Let me understand. I am scum , because I don't act townie, but townies don't have to act townie because they are authentic.

Your perceived scumminess is not related to "because [you] don't act townie;" your scumminess derives from your poor play in general, including shameless and unprincipled vote-hopping today. The way you are acting reinforces this scum-read; not because you are acting unauthentic (like a scum trying to appear town), but because you are acting like an authentic scum (like a scum who doesn't care that he is acting scummy).

You think I'm scum that doesn't care he's acting scummy?

Why am I not town doesn't care he's acting scummy?

[vezokpiraka]

V/LA until the 9th

[vezokpiraka]

Wait what?

Let me check something.

[vezokpiraka]

Yep I checked something.

I bodyguarded amrun last night.

I have no idea why is she dead.

[vezokpiraka]

Because of WIFOM. I have amrun as a confirmed town in my mind. The scum might anticipate me saving those so I tried to save amrun.
What's the point in saving the hider?

Anyway I still got blocked so it doesn't matter.

[vezokpiraka]

Vote: Vezok

, I don't think there's any reason or motivation for the SK/RB to block vezok. No scenario I can think of for that makes sense to me right now. Nor protecting someone other than a claimed cop.

Just for curiosity, who did you target previously, Vezok? What was your motivation to guard them?

I didn't guard anyone on night 1.

I had no strong leads and I like being alive.

[vezokpiraka]

The only one I could see blocking me is jily.

Others could've blocked me just because shit.

I think it's jily though.

[vezokpiraka]

The only one I could see blocking me is jily.

Others could've blocked me just because shit.

I think it's jily though.

This post gives jil's replacement a lot of town credit, as vezok is so obviously scum. However, I agree with Mask that we should wait to hear from earworm and any other possible PRs before hammering.

If you wouldn't be confirmed town I would've said you were scum.

Seriously? You think I'm so scum that people are town because I said bad things about them? I really am a bodyguard.

Actually I think it's better if you lynch me.

Ironhead could still be SK that framed an easy lynch

[vezokpiraka]

@: Vezok why would Ironhead block you? Can you please explain why you think jil blocked you?

UNVOTE:

I don't think we're going to get through this day without vezok getting lynched. Still, even though he's only about half-way I'll wait for earworm.

Because she thinks I'm better than I look. I game made her think that. Unfortunately it's ongoing.

[vezokpiraka]

Because she thinks I'm better than I look. I game made her think that. Unfortunately it's ongoing.

What does that have to do with guessing you're a power role?

I have no idea.

I looked at the living player list and these two were the ones that maybe had a reason. The others never played with me before to full extent.

[vezokpiraka]

Vezok, if you tell us who your scum partners are we promise to lynch you last.

Oh God. Did you even read the setup?

It's clear you don't believe I'm scum. You just want someone lynched. That's why your probably SK.

[vezokpiraka]

Blah Blah.

After I die please check on Pine. That vote is incredibly scummy.

Also he played with me before.

[vezokpiraka]

No I wouldn't have been.

Empking only notifies investigation roles if they got blocked.

[vezokpiraka]

WOW.

One post. I see there is a lot of activity.

I'm going to wait until someone hammers me. If we get close to deadline I'll hammer myself if none object.

[vezokpiraka]

^Scumclaim. Town doesn't hammer themselves without a DAMN good reason, like mine in NY129.

I'm getting lynched today.

There is no doubt about it. I would protest if 'm not the lynch.

If I wanted to hammer I would've hammered.

[vezokpiraka]

Deadline is in two days. Vezokpiraka is at L-1. Can someone confirm that they will be online to hammer before then?

I'll hammer right now if you want.

[vezokpiraka]

Not yet -- would like to give earworm's replacement an opportunity to confirm someone as town. I appreciate the offer, though.

I'll be here tomorrow.

If no one hammers I'll self hammer.

[vezokpiraka]

If you don't lynch me today you won't see that I'm a bodyguard.

It helps the town if I am lynched.

Tell me when I should self hammer.

[vezokpiraka]

Vote Count 34

Cobblerfone

TheJakalope

Pine
Nocmen
TheMask
Surye
vezokprika
Ironhead
sorasgoof

What does this votecount mean?


Also you mean we have one day to lynch someone after two modkills?

[vezokpiraka]

Okay then.

My theory of being blocked fails as per mod words.

What are we doing now?

[vezokpiraka]

Vote Count resests and deadline is in a week.

I apolagize for everything.

Look at what the mod told us. Do you still want to kill me?

[vezokpiraka]

Yes, of course. You are a terrible liar. You claimed to be the bodyguard, who inexplicably protected Amrun last night instead of the hider, insane cop, or confirmed town; but whose protection was blocked by a role-blocker who inexplicably targeted you instead of the hider or insane cop. Your story is ludicrous.

The mod said he forgot about a night action PM. It was mine and I didn't get roleblocked. Are you retarded or what?

[vezokpiraka]

I admit to missing out one of my night action PMs

This was the important part.

[vezokpiraka]

Has the whole town gone bonkers? Vezokpiraka is scum! How did we go from an inexorable bandwagon against obv-scum to a dispersal of votes and suspicions?

There is nothing in what the GM said that explains why vezokpiraka, as bodyguard, would protect Amrun instead of the insane cop/hider/conf-town; nor is there anything that would explain why the role-blocker would target him instead of insane cop or hider. That was the case against him all along! Not whether or not the GM sent out a PM.

Vote vezokpiraka please!

Are you even reading the thread?

The mod said he forgot to get a night action PM: my PM with the protect amrun.

[vezokpiraka]

I honestly don't know what to make of this. Vezok still feels like scum to me, so my vote is staying there.

But what's this about forgetting PMs?

You have to vote me. The votecount was reset.

[vezokpiraka]

@The Mask: Please change your vote to vezokpiraka. We will lynch Cobblerfone tomorrow, but today we cannot spread our votes out.

Please do not worry about Cobblerfone riding your jock, we know you are not scum and so you will not be lynched.

If you aren't some sort of scum I'm so going to laugh at this comment after the game is over.

[vezokpiraka]

Iron is conf town then. cool.

[vezokpiraka]

Town : Ironhead, kcda,

Neutral: HALF the players? WTF??? Sorasgooh, surye(leaning town), Mask

Scum: Cobbler, nocmen.

[vezokpiraka]

So you think I said I Bodyguarded my scum buddy instead of the confirmed insane cop?

Yeah no.

unvote
vote mask

Amrun distances from her buddies.

[vezokpiraka]

i don't think vezok is scum.

does that make me scum?

No. You think vezokpiraka is the serial killer. It is a credible conclusion to draw.

However, I will note that you had the misfortune of replacing into Pine's slot and are carrying around the suspicions that he generated. I think that you are the most likely to be the real serial killer -- a conclusion supported by Pine's words and actions (such as yesterday's quickhammer), as well as your own intransigence regarding lynching Cobblerfone. I don't think you have anything to fear for at least another day, as the town desperately needs to kill scum before worrying about the SK -- which means the town path to victory lies in lynching Cobblerfone and vezokpiraka over the next two days, and then lynching the SK. Over these next two days, if you can convince enough people that you aren't the SK, you may yet win -- but remember, you are defending Pine's words and actions as well as your own.

When I flip town I am so going to laugh at you at how wrong you were to think I'm scum.

[vezokpiraka]

Oh crap I just found out something.

I'm going to die tomorrow to save ironhead if the scum kill him which I see no reason not to.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote cobbler

What? It was just me asking you why do you think I would claim something like that.

As for dying I'll probably do it tonight. Hopefully.

[vezokpiraka]

Oh gosh.

I bodyguarded ironhead all right. Now I got blocked for sure.

Mask for scum and sorasgoof for SK?

vote the mask

If we mislynch now we can still win so it;s pointless to do anything else.

[vezokpiraka]

I mean pointless to no lynch not pointless than to anything except mislynch.

[vezokpiraka]

VEZOK!! UNVOTE RIGHT NOW.

It's not LyLo. S
cum can't quickhammer.

[vezokpiraka]

@Mask:

Please pay attention

It's obvious you didn't pay attention till now.

Amrun was scum. This was confirmed by ironhead. Coblerfone is dead scum.

That means there is either a traitor alive or a scum alive. And the SK.

The SK has to be alive because they just blocked me.

Right now it's 3-1-1. I'm not protecting anyone right now because I could get scum and the SK will try to kill them or something.

We pretty much have to lynch correctly today. Or mislynch and hope that the SK and mafia shoot each other.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote soras

Actually I think he is the most likely scum.

We can get the last one in LyLo.

[vezokpiraka]

Well I have KCD as mafia. Not only for his defense of Cobbler, but also the way he halted a quicklynch today BUT didn't offer his opinion on anything. It seemed like he wasn't sure I'm the SK and knows that if the SK isn't lynched, he can be blocked. It was weird that KCD wouldn't bring anything to the game, just telling you (vez) to unvote.

SK is between soras and Surye in my opinion, but I'd like to hear from soras. I'm not comfortable with how he's putting attention into his other game on a regular basis.

Prod please, Empking.

Surye, your swift vote is uncharacteristic of you. Do you agree or disagree that you have been a careful voter during previous parts of the game?

He's probably the SK. Empking would've replaced a dead town weight by now.

[vezokpiraka]

Well I have KCD as mafia. Not only for his defense of Cobbler, but also the way he halted a quicklynch today BUT didn't offer his opinion on anything. It seemed like he wasn't sure I'm the SK and knows that if the SK isn't lynched, he can be blocked. It was weird that KCD wouldn't bring anything to the game, just telling you (vez) to unvote.

SK is between soras and Surye in my opinion, but I'd like to hear from soras. I'm not comfortable with how he's putting attention into his other game on a regular basis.

Prod please, Empking.

Surye, your swift vote is uncharacteristic of you. Do you agree or disagree that you have been a careful voter during previous parts of the game?

He's probably the SK. Empking would've replaced a dead town weight by now.

Horrible. You're pinning me as the SK based on some mod WIFOM?

Nope.

You lurked your way all game but still played in other games.

That's a strong SK tell. You coming here and posting three things also proves you are SK.

[vezokpiraka]

I haven't played in any other games than this one. I've been modding one other game, which is much more important. Whatever free time I have to use for Mafiascum has gone towards that game. I have a Youtube channel to attend to, summer homework to do (essay, three books), and I also run cross country and coach football. You CANNOT use inactivity as a sign of ANYTHING. The only reason I'm posting right now (or even last night) is because 1) I've finished my books, 2) There's no football or cross country today. If anyone cares, I'm also doing a Dead Space 2 Hardcore Let's Play that needs to be edited and commentated over, so that takes quite a bit of time.

So yeah. Don't ever accuse anyone of a specific role based on levels of activity.

If you guys are willing to be rational, I'm willing to read back through the thread for real and actually produce content that will help the town win in this situation.

Also, Vezok, for the love of God, don't misrep me. I have not been playing in any other games. Also, how in the holy hell does me "coming in here and posting three things" prove anything? At the end of Day 3, I sent Empking an apology regarding my inactivity, and that I would pick it up on Day 4. I'm following up on that promise.

Good work. But you are still the SK.

[vezokpiraka]

Okay, VOTE: Vezok.

I read through the last few pages, and I don't like Vezok's posting whatsoever. I haven't liked it all game. Also...

I'll tick that as a scumslip for you, but I don't consider it such a big of a deal.

You consider it a scumslip, but it's not a big deal? I'm not following. A scumslip should be the biggest deal ever. If you think he slipped, why aren't you voting him?

[vezokpiraka]

Okay, VOTE: Vezok.

I read through the last few pages, and I don't like Vezok's posting whatsoever. I haven't liked it all game. Also...

I'll tick that as a scumslip for you, but I don't consider it such a big of a deal.

You consider it a scumslip, but it's not a big deal? I'm not following. A scumslip should be the biggest deal ever. If you think he slipped, why aren't you voting him?

This was supposed to say something but my browser ate it.

I'll post it again.

[vezokpiraka]

Surye mask come here.

Probably one of them are scum so they like this lynch.

Also claiming anything than VT is suicide right now.

[vezokpiraka]

I don't kdca is scum.

Being paranoid is what he does as town.

[vezokpiraka]

BTW

I have limited access

[vezokpiraka]

WOW.

I didn't expect soras to flip town.

I had him pegged as SK and mask as mafia but Mask's wagon wouldn't go off.