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Why yes, that is a three-vote random bandwagon in the first 10 posts. Discuss.
Tarhalindur wrote:Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:FoS: Ant, Surye
???
Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:FoS: pappums rat
Surye wrote:Interesting little exchange between Nexus and Hoppster. The FoS on pappums was odd to me, as I don't see not jumping on a wagon or counter wagon page 1 as scummy. I didn't explain this because I wanted to see how he reacted to a page 1 vote against him.
Nexus wrote:2) Possibly. Cannot give a definite answer to a hypothetical situation.
Tarhalindur: I felt like giving my own opinion.
Surye wrote:Tarhalindur wrote:
PPE:
Surye wrote:Interesting little exchange between Nexus and Hoppster. The FoS on pappums was odd to me, as I don't see not jumping on a wagon or counter wagon page 1 as scummy. I didn't explain this because I wanted to see how he reacted to a page 1 vote against him.
Since when is this townposting?MFoS: Surye
I wish I could respond, but I don't see the problem that you obviously do :/
Zang wrote:CES-Why is it scummy not to vote on a RVS wagon? I can understand why it wouldn't be pro-town but that doesn't make it scummy.
Nexus wrote:Speaking of Zang, I hope he posts soon. I'd like to hear his reaction to a L-2 wagon so quick x
I'm shocked about how many people hate me, I'm angry that I missed RVS and im surprised that i can have such a big effect on the game without even posting but other than that I have no opinion on it. It was just an RVS wagon and as long as I'm not put up to L-1, I see nothing wrong with it.
I'm not really sure what your argument with Hoppster is about. I understand how it started but it seems like your just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Tahalindur wrote:I want to see Zang posts before I move off the L-2 wagon.
Why? How should my post affect your vote when you voted me for no reason? Also, what does the m in mfos stand for?
Surye wrote:Hoppster wrote:Surye wrote:Interesting
In what way?
In the general sense of the word.
Hoppster wrote:Surye wrote:The FoS on pappums was odd to me
But not on you or Ant?
If you read in order, you'd see my post was before he FoSed me. I realize this is a Dr Who Mafia, but I could not timetravel to see his FoS I'm afraid.
Hoppster wrote:Surye wrote:I didn't explain this because I wanted to see how he reacted to a page 1 vote against him.
How has he reacted? How did you expect him to react if you provided no reasoning - surely that could just be seen as a RVS vote (unless it was a RVS vote and I'm incorrect in thinking you voted CES because you thought "The FoS on pappums was odd")?
I wanted to see if he assumed it an RVS, or reacted defensively without real provocation.
Surye wrote:Hoppster wrote:Surye wrote:Actually I am not sure. It's consistent with his first FoS (off wagon vote), so I actually like his reaction,and don't see it as defensive as I thought I'd get.
You thought you'd get a defensive reaction: did you think he was scum (who, as such would react defensively) simply from his FoS? Or would a defensive reaction be one you would expect from town?
I didn't think he was town or scum honestly, but during the RVS (especially page 1), FoS, ping my scumdar a bit, and I wanted to see if I could get any more information. I certainly don't appreciate being called Stupid over it
SnakePlissken wrote:3 pages already. Hate being late to the party and for the record I would have voted on the Zang wagon. In fact I will
VOTE: Zang
Hello to all I have played with before, special wave to Nexus.
RVS Questions
1. How long have people been playing MS here?
2. What is the most commonly used scum tell that you have seen?
3. Favoroite Doctor Who Monster?
Surye wrote:We're on page 2, I'm not being passive, I'm poking and prodding to see where people show scumminess. I commented on the Nexus and Hoppster interaction as I think there is something of note, but I don't have a read on the relationship between them. My reads will solidify and I will take a stronger stance when I have one.
Hoppster wrote:Tarhalindur wrote:In other news: I'm of two minds about Hoppster, need to see more to judge.Tarhalindur wrote:Hoppster and Nexus is probably a townie fight, with an outside chance of Hoppsterscum using questions to confuse the town. That's a very outside shot though.
What helped you to judge?
Hoppster wrote:pappums rat wrote:Anyways, I think all this dialogue between Surye and Hoppster is just a bunch of meaningless noise, and the wagons were not useful at all other than clumsily getting us out of RVS.
Meaningless noise? Did it not help further any reads on either of us?
What about the dialogue between Nexus and I?
Is that why you didn't vote on either of the wagons - they were too 'clumsy' for your liking?
What exactly do you want to get or are you looking to get out of your GMan vote?
My gut is telling me this is a scum-post where pappums-scum has read Nexus' posts about people not commenting on wagons and pappums-scum resultingly felt it necessary to post some comment on the wagons. The opinion of "the wagons were clumsy" just seems really... feigned.
MagnaofIllusion wrote:Tar wrote:Seeing a FIVE-vote wagon in a Mini game RVS was a bit of a surprise to me - I think there's got to be scum somewhere on that bandwagon. I'll keep it in mind for later.
That only holds true if Zang is Town. Do you think he is?
MoI wrote:1. What do you think of Zang’s “I’ve got no opinion” statement?
2. You were the third vote on said five person wagon. Ostensibly you know you are Town. What was your reasoning for further pushing the wagon?
Tarhalindur wrote:Can't speak for the rest of the people voting you, but I wanted a large early bandwagon to force people to take sides early, and you happened to be a convenient target.
pappums rat wrote:MagnaofIllusion wrote:Hoppster is incredibly annoying to read. He constant refrain of “What reaction did you expect to get” is rather useless when he’s pre-empted the actual reactions from some players (Zang for example) with his questions. He’s peppered Nexus with a number of hypothetical questions that don’t serve any serious scum-hunting (“Would you put Zang at L-2 if he was at L-3?’) but more as a means to produce as “Gotcha, inconsistency” attack.
I agree with this statement. All Hoppster's questions thus far have been rather unnecessary and/or forced, and IMO it kind of sounds like he is trying to sound like he has a lot to say rather than actually having a lot to say.
pappums rat wrote:^ Because I'm RVS'ing GMan, and will continue to do so until I am ready to leave RVS.
pappums rat wrote:MoI wrote:RVS is not some separate part of the game that is independent from the rest. The notion of RVS is just the name we give to that awkward getting things rolling portion of the game.
That you want to cling to a vote that has no game relevant meaning in your eyes and not vote someone you specifically called scummy is very suspect.
Yes, I can understand why you would think that. I let my frustration with another game spill into this one and was pissed that this game took off so fast with the Hoppster/Surye dialogue. I did find Hoppster somewhat suspicious, but I wasnt going to let him detract from my fun in RVS. Once GMan replies in thread, I probably will vote for someone I find scummy, but not until then. :stubborn:
pappums rat wrote:All this talk about inspecting the wagons for scum is bullshit. It's RVS, people can claim any reason they want for voting someone in RVS, and no one would be any the wiser as to who is who unless someone makes a big dumb mistake, which probably isnt going to happen when the people in question are experienced players. That kind of scumhunting technique is better suited for looking into newer players.
Since GMan isnt here, I'm going to go ahead and
Unvote
Vote: Hoppster
for making more out of this bullshit than what is reasonably concievable, and because his dialogue with Surye on his end rang hollow to me.
Minor FOSon MoI for reading too damn far into RVS votes.
Ant_to_the_max wrote:I am also not feeling this wagon on Surye yet either. He seems to passive? Is it because he is just answering questions directed at him and not retorting with questions back?
MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Ant wrote:This just happened in my other ongoing game...If I find out what it means, I will let you know
How does something going on in a DIFFERENT game have any relevance to the quick wagon on Zang.
Because I was trying to make a witty comment. A quick wagon built up on another guy in another ongoing game of mine. It made me think of that.
Zang wrote:Hoppster wrote:This is pinging my scumdar a little bit. Zang has acknowledged the wagon on him, but then he doesn't pay any attention to who is on it. I would expect town to be looking more carefully at the people on the bandwagon, whereas scum would just look more generally at the number of people on the wagon.
Ok, I forgot CES was on my wagon. But why should I pay attention to it? Even more so, how am I supposed to pay attention to it? It's just an RVS wagon. I don't even see how I'm paying attention to the number of people on it. As long as it doesn't get up to L-1 and everybody unvotes then I have no opinion on it.
Zang wrote:Magna wrote:3. You have no opinion on the wagon? If I was Town and arrived to find a L-2 wagon on me Page 2 I’d certainly have an opinion of some sort.
Why should I have an opinion on it? What sort of opinion am I supposed to have on it? IT WAS JUST RVS! It was reasonless, it gives me no insight on who is scum and who isn't and it was completely random.
Zang wrote:Magna wrote:It’s a throwback to ooba’s Smalltown Stardust Mafia. Jack and I got into a heated battle regarding some non-sense attack by him very early. Zang cruised in and called it a Town versus Town conflict. I very much see people calling early game interactions T v T without significant play to base it on as fairly effective scum-tell. I call it my Zang Tell because he’s the one who made it stand out in my mind.
In that game, it was a town vs town battle though and my alignment had very little to do with me calling it town vs town.
Zang wrote:Zang wrote:Magna wrote:Feel free to disagree. You are still dead wrong. RVS is as valid a part of the game as any other. Scum have and will continue to be caught during RVS.
Any scum lynched because of the RVS is either because of chance or their stupidity.
MagnaofIllusion wrote:Tar wrote:In other news, where the hell is bv310?
A good question.
Even better question -
Where in the hell is GMan?
Surye wrote:Tarhalindur wrote:Surye wrote:We're on page 2, I'm not being passive, I'm poking and prodding to see where people show scumminess. I commented on the Nexus and Hoppster interaction as I think there is something of note, but I don't have a read on the relationship between them. My reads will solidify and I will take a stronger stance when I have one.
Uh, WHAT? Prodding my foot - summary does not prodding make, nor does simply answering other people's questions.
And funny, I seemed to get reaction. Hmmm.
Ant_to_the_max wrote:I like Zang's defense in #64 about not really caring about his wagon.
Should he have honestly been scared about being lynched on page 1/2? I think some people here are trying to force things to be a bit more serious than they are supposed to be.
Ant_to_the_max wrote:MagnaofIllusion wrote:
1. You are saying that the first five people to post and vote in this game just happen to randomly select you? Tar’s post alone where he RVS voted you and prompted discussion of that fact should clearly indicate there was more to it than complete randomness … Tar had clear intent to drive discussion.
I disagree with this. Why couldn't it be a random spur of the moment wagon?
And I think you are building up Tar's post WAYYY to much. His post was the third post of the game as well as the third vote on Zang. What did he want to discuss? Also, are you admitting that there was more to it than complete randomness? That would indicate that you,narwhalCES, and Tar had something planned. What is up with that?
Tarhalindur wrote:Why yes, that is a three-vote random bandwagon in the first 10 posts
Tarhalindur wrote:Can't speak for the rest of the people voting you, but I wanted a large early bandwagon to force people to take sides early, and you happened to be a convenient target.
Ant_to_the_max wrote:iamausername wrote:
Ant_to_the_max wrote:I am also not feeling this wagon on Suryeyeteither.
Unvote
VOTE: Ant_to_the_max
I don't get it. You answered the question that was right after that sentence before you put this. But yet you still ripped this out of context to have a reason to vote me =/
I didn't fully understand what was being said about him and wanted a more descriptive reason. If I liked it, I might have joined the wagon. If not, I wouldn't have.And from your answer, I don't think it was a good case. Imo it is null unless he never follows through or does something.
Ant_to_the_Max wrote:Tarhalindur wrote:
MagnaofIllusion wrote:Tar wrote:Seeing a FIVE-vote wagon in a Mini game RVS was a bit of a surprise to me - I think there's got to be scum somewhere on that bandwagon. I'll keep it in mind for later.
That only holds true if Zang is Town. Do you think he is?
Uh, that holds true REGARDLESS of whether Zang is town - seriously, RVS is a great time to catch scum distancing from each other. The speed at which votes four and five were placed on him, however, suggests that Zang is town, and is a major reason why I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Hmm didn't see this one till Tar actually quoted it. That is interesting that Magna writes of the possibility of scum being on the Zang wagon if Zang flips scum. Covering tracks if Zang actually flips scum here?
VOTE: MagnaofIllusion
Next scummiest person on that wagon could be bv310. Vote to get the wagon going, but then a side note "oh look, a counter-wagon for scum mates to join because joining the Zang one at this point would look really bad..."
But of course that is only going off 2 posts
bv310 wrote:Caught up now, and this is the biggest offender atm.
Surye wrote:Tarhalindur wrote:
PPE:
Surye wrote:Interesting little exchange between Nexus and Hoppster. The FoS on pappums was odd to me, as I don't see not jumping on a wagon or counter wagon page 1 as scummy. I didn't explain this because I wanted to see how he reacted to a page 1 vote against him.
Since when is this townposting?MFoS: Surye
I wish I could respond, but I don't see the problem that you obviously do :/
unvote, vote: Surye
You really don't see the problem here?
Honourable mention of Scumminess goes to Snake, for completely ignoring the building cases and instead trying to reboot RVS.
Zang wrote:Magna wrote:That’s a pure straw-man. I am hardly picking these players out at random. The fact that the first five votes of the game just fell on you isn’t random behavior.
I don't see how that's a strawman. You are picking randomly. Your picking the first five people to post, anybody else could have posted in their place and you would be talking about them instead. The fact that the votes fell on my is random behavior. The first person to post could have just as easily picked somebody else to vote for.
Tahalindur wrote:There should be at least one scumbag on the RVS wagon on you, based on the speed of the wagon - and on the raw probabilities, for that matter. In fact, with that kind of wagon speed there is a decent chance of TWO scumbags on the wagon. If you're town, why not try to figure out who it is?
Like I have already said, I agree that there is most likely scum on it, but any attempt I make to find scum, if I do find scum then it would be mostly due to chance. Although, if there was something that was obviously scummy then I would vote for them.
Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Tar wrote:CES's lack of reasoning makes Tarhalindur a sad panda.
I'm reasoning plenty, just fyi.
Hoppster wrote:Ant_to_the_max wrote:Hmm didn't see this one till Tar actually quoted it. That is interesting that Magna writes of the possibility of scum being on the Zang wagon if Zang flips scum. Covering tracks if Zang actually flips scum here?
VOTE: MagnaofIllusion
...
So shouldn't you be voting Zang?
UNVOTE: SnakePlissken
VOTE: Ant
Your reason for voting MoI is, quite literally, "lol this is suspicious if Zang is scum".
Hoppster wrote:Tarhalindur wrote:CES's lack of reasoning makes Tarhalindur a sad panda.
A sad and suspicious panda?
bv310 wrote:Nexus wrote:If you actually read the posts you'll see I'm not being aggressive at all.
Read the thread before you comment, Snake.
And then vote Surye.
This.
Anyway, Tar, what's up with the fake DK?
bv310 wrote:Because, in my experience, a fake-DK gambit is much more common than an actual daykill and a Bulletproof.
Zang wrote:CES wrote:Nope, that's not why.
Then what is? I don't see any reasons with your vote.
CES wrote:*shrug* It's a meaningful distinction, whether you like it or not.
There may be a distinction for you but there is no distinction at all for me. How do I know if you even have reasoning or if you're scum voting randomly?
Tahalindur wrote:Kill: Zang
Vote: Ant_to_the_Max
FoS: Surye, bv310, pappums_rat
Really?This has been so overused that it becomes almost obvious that it's a fake day kill gambit when you post it. What did you hope to gain from this?
Tahalindur wrote:Why assume a fake daykill instead of a daykill that was stopped by something (bulletproof shield or the like)?
bv310 wrote:It may not be more common, I just play with Fate a lot.Tarhalindur wrote:bv310 wrote:Because, in my experience, a fake-DK gambit is much more common than an actual daykill and a Bulletproof.
Hmm, fake-daykill must have become more common recently. Darn.
Zang wrote:Tahalindur wrote:0) To get people to actually, you know, POST.
1) An off chance that, if you were VI (or enterprising scum), you might respond with a "bah, go team" post.
2) A set of reactions pursuant to the scumhunting method mentioned in the fake daykill post, most importantly one that I was ALSO looking for when I made the third-vote RVS wagon. That tell is tied to something involving how I played the daykill gambit; I will not elaborate further at this time. Nobody has clearly dropped it yet.
Now, about that underlined section: Please identify all games you know of where a fake daykill gambit was tried. NOW.
0. Ok, I'm fine with getting people to post but there are other ways.
1. Did you think I was a VI?
2. I'm not sure what tell your looking for so I'll hold off on questioning you further until you reveal what it is.
The first time I saw the gambit was here-
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13811
Coincidentally, Magna was also in that game.
A very similar variant of the gambit was used here-
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13693
It was also used here-
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 91&start=0
I think theres another game that I saw it in but I don't remember the name.
How many times have I been in with a real day kill? 0
Zang wrote:Tahalindur wrote:Do you think I am scum? Why?
I am suspicious of you but I don't see what that has to do with what you quoted.
Hoppster wrote:Zang wrote:Tahalindur wrote:Kill: Zang
Vote: Ant_to_the_Max
FoS: Surye, bv310, pappums_rat
Really? This has been so overused that it becomes almost obvious that it's a fake day kill gambit when you post it. What did you hope to gain from this?
Uhh, not liking this reaction at all.
Can't quite put my finger on it but my gut isto me that this is a scum reaction to an apparent DK-gambit on himself.POSITIVELY SCREAMING
Feels a bit like scum gleefully mocking somebody who fake DK'd him.
Zang wrote:Hoppster wrote:Uhh, not liking this reaction at all.
Can't quite put my finger on it but my gut is POSITIVELY SCREAMING to me that this is a scum reaction to an apparent DK-gambit on himself.
Feels a bit like scum gleefully mocking somebody who fake DK'd him.
It wasn't an apparent fake day kill gambit, it was proven that it was a fake day kill gambit when the mod posted. Also why do you think that I'm scum gleefully mocking someone who fake day killed me instead of town gleefully mocking someone who fake day killed me.
Zang wrote:Tahalindur wrote:1) Still think so (mostly based on posting style and reactions to pressure, I think), with the caveat that one can be a Village Idiot and still be scum.
How can a village idiot be scum if village is the same thing as town? Besides the way you worded it made it seem that you thought village idiot was different than scum.
Tahalindur wrote:In fact, why are you still voting CES?
SnakePlissken wrote:No it wasn't. I never post reads on day 1. At this rate of posting you'll be lucky to get anything on Day 2 as well. And the aggressiveness is starting to seep out. I can feel your anger.
iamausername wrote:Tarhalindur wrote:
Okay, there's too many scummy players (Zang, pappums, bv, Snake, Ant, Surye) and not enough players pushing them. We need to pool forces sometime soon, and I might as well start the trend. That means off the Ant wagon for now.
Unvote, Vote: Surye
Quick! How many votes did Ant and Surye each have before you did this? No cheating!
MagnaofIllusion wrote:@Tar– I don’t see that you answered the following question from Zang in post 152. If you have please say so and I re-dig through your ISO. If not please answer it –
It still seemed to me that you implied that VI was town. As you said enterprising scum would say "bah, go town" to seem like town but it seemed to me like you thought that a VI would be the actual townie that says "bah, go town".
Zang wrote:iamusername wrote:Add that to his terrible "MoI did something that looks suspicious if Zang flips scum, Vote: MoI" thing, and I just don't get why everyone else seems to be fine with letting him fly under the radar here.
Im confused. Who are you talking about here? I thought you were talking about Hoppster but you just said that he was town. If you don't like how they're flying under the radar then why don't you vote for them? I'm also still confused about you vote on Surye.
tahalindur wrote:Well, mostly not my fault. I did consider it more probable prior to the fake-daykill that Zang would drop a "bah, go town" or similar than a "bah, go scum", as I had a weak town read on Zang at the time
I'm not sure what they do on what other site you go to but do you even see people saying "bah, go town" or "bah, go scum" when they actually are lynched or even normally daykilled?
tahalindur wrote:the problem that Zang's tone after the fakekill does not match his lack of vote for me).
There are a lot scummier people than you.
Zang wrote:Hoppster wrote:But you didn't simply ask Tar why he did that ("Why did you do that, Tar?").
I guess it is more like you said but I never really meant to mock him.
Hoppster wrote:@ Zang + iam: Thoughts on pappums?
Currently none but I'll probably go back and look over him later.
SnakePlissken wrote:I only sheeped onto Suyre's vote as I was trying to get some more info and push us into Day 2 where some reasonable evidence would be before us and I would have more to work with other than the fact that Nexus is scum.
There is plenty of reasonable evidence that we already have, if not for you then at least for everybody else. Just because you're too lazy to scum hunt without somebody being dead does not mean that you should try to randomly lynch someone just because they're at L-2.
SnakePlissken wrote:@Hoppster For me in both your examples about Nexus agression are one and the same Nexs Agression= Nexus Scum. This may look like Im tunelling but hey I've seen the pattern before from him. For examples you would need to travel offsite to the UKFF and locate a few of the scum games there.
Why don't you find one of the games and post the link here? Also, if he was aggressive in that game because it was off-site, have you looked at any of his scum games on mafiascum? Is he just as aggressive in thoose?
CES wrote:Calling it now.
Scum: Snake, Ant, Zang
Why exactly am I scum? Even Ant and snake, why are they scum?
SnakePlissken wrote:In summing up, CES is providing even less content than I am not bothering to scum hunt, sailing along looking like he's active without actually doig anything other than throwing FOS's & Votes around hoping to get on the right Lynch. This really bothers me. Looking back over this I can't beleive that he is actually getting away without actually provising any content for his votes. I have on NexuScum, although I sheeped onto Suyre to get the game moving a bit which in hindsight was too clever or pro town I can assure you I am town.
While I agree with your case on CES. You're just as bad. It's page 9 and this is pretty much your first attempt to scumhunt. Also, providing little content and not bothering to scum hunt are the same thing.
Magna wrote:I would support a pappums wagon. CES I’m going to have to see VC Analysis to make a solid judgement on his alignment.
What do you think of CES? Why do you need a VC analysis? How would that help?
Ant_to_the_max wrote:RE still voting: unvote was in my big post that didn't go through and I forgot about it.
UNVOTE:
RE repost: it could have been likely that I hit post, and the screen came up with the "oh, someone else has posted" screen and that tab might have still been open on my computer. If not, I can go find all the posts I commented on. As for not right then, I was at a robotics competition at the time. That is why I have not been near an actual computer for a while now.
RE not voting snake: my vote would have put him at L-1. I didn't want to do that. There was more to discuss in this day and I don't want to end this day prematurely. We have a month deadline.
pappums rat wrote:LOL Hoppster you are so full of shit it is unbelievable. You have completely ignored my points on Snake and instead twisted my reasoning for voting him into some bullshit "case" on me. IIRC you have not commented on Snake's L-1 vote on Surye either. And as far as the "inconsistency" in my ISO you mentioned before, that was solely because of my irritation that there was two huge wagons and a shitload of what I considered unnecessary back and forth between yourself and Surye and Nexus. (Nothing of value was gained because of it.) I then afterwards decided to stop being a pissy little bitch and joined the game properly.
SnakePlissken wrote:Oooo. Lookie lookie Im at L-2. Let's clear a few things up. I followed from the previous vote count thinking Suyre was at L-1 with my vote, so if my info was incorrect ah well not my fault and certainly not scummy or else I would have waitied for the hammer vote would I have not? Much like my number one suspect did. I only sheeped onto Suyre's vote as I was trying to get some more info and push us into Day 2 where some reasonable evidence would be before us and I would have more to work with other than the fact that Nexus is scum.
UnvoteVOTE: Nexus
@Hoppster For me in both your examples about Nexus agression are one and the same Nexs Agression= Nexus Scum. This may look like Im tunelling but hey I've seen the pattern before from him. For examples you would need to travel offsite to the UKFF and locate a few of the scum games there.
SnakePlissken wrote:Im watching and waiting. Proof will be in the lynching. Oh and Username, why do you think Hoppster is flying under th radar and everyone is ignoring him?
SnakePlissken wrote:I just had a quick look back at Cogito Ergo Sum posts. My results are as follows:
#4 - RVS vote
#10 - Disappointed Zang wasn't quick lynched in RVS
#13 - FOS's pappums rat with no explination
#16 - FOS's Ant & Suyre again with no explination
#22 - Fluff post
#42 - ^scum on Zang again no backup of reasoning
#52 - No PR - again no rhyme or reason to this comment
#62 - Answers my RVS questions
#65 - Response with no content to Zang & Magna about a different game
#67 - Continues with a pointless argument with Zang
#74 - Tries to push the lynch back around onto Zang
#76 - Makes light of trying to lynch Zang
#84 - Says he likes to get people lynched from Day 1 but doesn't say he doesn't do RVS.
#89 -= Votes for me after I go V/LA for the weekend with no reasoning
#94 - Claims reasoning for his votes are FYI
#97 - Fluff
#106 - More Fluff
#108 - Vot hops onto Ant with no reason
#119 - Absolute Nonsense post dressed up as having a point. Has none and again talks about other games.
#126 - Question marks to my Screwdriver comment
#141 - Votes for me once more with no reason
#154 - Fluff and asks me 5 pages on why I asked question 2 in RVS...
#175 - Corrects Mod votecount
#184 - Fluff response to NexusScum
#188 - Corrects MoI's FOS on NexusScum
#211 - Tries to correct my deliberate grammar change i.e. Fluff
#213 - Calls myself, ANt & Zang as the scum team without any reasoning.
In summing up, CES is providing even less content than I am not bothering to scum hunt, sailing along looking like he's active without actually doig anything other than throwing FOS's & Votes around hoping to get on the right Lynch. This really bothers me. Looking back over this I can't beleive that he is actually getting away without actually provising any content for his votes. I have on NexuScum, although I sheeped onto Suyre to get the game moving a bit which in hindsight was too clever or pro town I can assure you I am town.
At least NexusScum is doing stuff. So for now, until proven otherwise
UnvoteVOTE: Cogito Ergo Sum[/b]
The Rufflig wrote:UNVOTE:
It would be difficult to believe that the Doctor wouldn't be in this game. -- it is called Doctor Who after all. More specifically: Return of the Time Lords -- the flavor was pulled directly from David Tennant's last story arc as the Doctor "The End of Time, Part One". Barring a counter-claim, I believe Snake. I don't see what is so difficult about this.
FoS: Tarhalindur, MoI, Nexus, Zang
Great - just go ahead and trash a lot of my town reads. Thanks a lot.
Much as I'd like to vote pappums again, his v/la would prove troublesome. bv310's continued absence after being prodded ... it's hard to pressure someone who isn't sitting in his seat at the table. Though, at this rate, bv310 is on track to getting replaced. I'll need short while to mull who to vote for now.
SnakePlissken wrote:Spelling = scum these days does it Nexus? To those suggesting that I may have been given a fake PM by the mod are the ones most in possession of one as most town wouldn't even consider that as a first response to a VT claim.
For my money. Scum Team - NexusScum, Zang & MoI
Nexus wrote:I don't understand why a Vanilla Town claim with the flavour bit of allons-y spelt wrong has caused you all to panic and think he isn't lying.
I will re read the thread soon and see if anyone is scummier.
Nexus wrote:What. No. Vanilla claim isn't that risky for scum.Most scum would rather claim Vanilla Town than a PR, because the risks of a PR ccing are too high.
I don't put much stay in "All Doctors must be PRs" and stuff like that, because flavour in general is just there to give the game some extra pizzazz.
Whatever. I said I was seeing if there was anyone scummier when I did a re read, so I don't know how that's me only trying to get Snake lynched. I don't believe his claim, but that's about it. It's certainly not enough to make me unvote until I've re-read.
MagnaofIllusion wrote:Surye wrote:I believe he is. The doctor is so great because he has no super powers. He can unlock doors. It's all in his intellect and charisma, the tools of a VT.
Lets get into this then … who in the Dr. Who universe would you expect to be anything BUT VT then? Certainly none of his companions are no more inherently ‘powerful’ than the Doctor. Aside from Enemies you don’t have many Superhuman participants to draw from.
Outguessing the Mod is at best bad, bad Town play.
Zang wrote:SnakePlissken wrote:Spelling = scum these days does it Nexus? To those suggesting that I may have been given a fake PM by the mod are the ones most in possession of one as most town wouldn't even consider that as a first response to a VT claim.
For my money. Scum Team - NexusScum, Zang & MoI
Nexus does have a point about the spelling. If the word was in your role PM then it should have been spelled correctly. Also why would suggesting that you have a fake role PM make me scum? You're just calling everyone that doesn't believe you scum. If you are so sure that they are scum then why aren't you voting for one of them.
Zang wrote:Tahalindur wrote:That said, vanilla claim is too risky for a scumbag (especially on a character that is begging for a power role) and that name claim *is* extremely solid. I'll toss Snake into the "not lynching D1" pile.
Yes but you said it yourself that it was "nice WIFOM fodder".
Nexus wrote:I am still voting for him? I just said I was going to look for the others as well.
*shakes head*
MagnaofIllusion wrote:Tar wrote:Also, thoughts on Nexus please.
I’m going to have to look at him in ISO later on today. First impressions have been that his early interactions were Town oriented, and that Snake’s early meta attack on him was bad.
Tar wrote:1) In case you hadn't figured it out, GTFO Snake. Now.
2) Nexus is still scum, join the wagon or explain why you aren't.
1. Snake hardly has enough votes where this kind of statement is warranted.
2. Am I right in that the crux of your ‘Nexus is scum’ germinated from his Snake claim reaction?
Zang wrote:Tahalindur wrote:1) In case you hadn't figured it out, GTFO Snake. Now.
Why? I think he is scum so I'm voting for him.
Zang wrote:Tahalindur wrote:2) Nexus is still scum, join the wagon or explain why you aren't.
I'm voting for who I think is scum not who you think is scum.
Zang wrote:Tahalindur wrote:3) Hey look, bv310 has enough time to set up his new Mini Theme. I don't see any bv310 posts here.
Shouldn't modding a mini theme game take priority over playing in one?.
Nexus wrote:Surye wrote:Nexus wrote:Well, yes, but is there someone willing to hammer? Or is the wagon just going to disintegrate?
Scummy dismissal of the wagon, without addressing any of the reasons people are on it.
Well as I think most of the reasons stem from a disagreement in meta, in that I think scum will most likely claim VT (oh the irony, how it's going to hamstring me), and my staunch refusal to believe that Snake isn't scum and that his simple VT claim is enough to get people to back off, I think my wagon is as scummy as shit. Definitely scum driven with at least one or two members on there: Surye and Snake probably.
Wilfred Mott-Vanilla Town. I enjoy stargazing and am related to Donna.
Mmm, delicious irony and wine.
Zang wrote:TaRhalindur wrote:I see you still haven't figured it out. HINT: We're not lynching Snake today, period. That's just optimal play. Go looking for the player you think is second most likely to be scum.
What would be the point of me switching my vote to somebody else that "isn't going to be lynched today"? Besides, I already know my second and third picks for scum and if a large wagon builds up on them then I will switch my vote. Until then, I'm voting for who I think is scummiest.
Zang wrote:TaRhalindur wrote:Do you think Nexus is scum?
I already answered this.
MagnaofIllusion wrote:MOD – I’ll be V/LA from today at 4pm EST (aka now) until Monday morning for my usual weekend duties.
Bv310 has solildified himself as theoretical Vigbait with his active lurking. I know funerals happen but his activity this game has been below my standards even for low performing BV.
Nexus’s VT claim pretty much solidifies we need to lynch either him or Snake today. Continually drawing VT claims helps solidify scum’s ability to hit Power Roles if both are Town or allows scum to blend in by claiming VT themselves (or perhaps already has).
MagnaofIllusion wrote:Zang wrote:Actually this makes me think. What if there are more than one doctors such as the newest doctor in this game then it would make more sense if the 10th doctor is scum or a fake claim. Especially, sense it was specified that he was the tenth doctor instead of just the doctor.
Aside from the slight role-fishing (which could easily be unintentional) this is a good point about Snake’s specifc claim being the 10th Doctor.
Nexus wrote:I don't understand why you think the Tenth Doctor would be only a VT, but Wilfred wouldn't? :S
Also, as I have spent the day saying, my second lynch preference would be Surye. It always has been.
bv310 wrote:Okay, I caught up with what I missed. I'm willing to say that Nexus is likely Town, but his reactions at his wagon so far have been extremely scummy. Looking at his iso, he goes from trying to start a counterwagon, to weakly defending a case, to flat-out aggression, to flailing. I'll be willing to vote him once it gets a bit closer to deadline, since I feel like there's a bit more conversation that we can extract first.
Surye wrote:Zang wrote:Surye wrote:Exactly, stop doing.
You completely ignored his point. Regardless of whether he did it, you also did it and by telling him to stop doing it without acknowledging that you yourself are doing it then you are doing the exact same thing that he did. I find this very scummy.
FoS: Surye
Incorrect sir. I made an analysis based on the information I have that points to his claim being legit. He brought setup speculation into it.
SnakePlissken wrote:Well what a surprise..
So CMAR or Hoppster? Let's take a look see for whose scumalicious.
bv310 wrote:Oooooh, Counter-wagons are fun.
bv310 wrote:Tarhalindur wrote:
In other news, where the hell is bv310?
Short answer: Working stupid hours. Had 16 hours of work in 24 yesterday.
Caught up now, and this is the biggest offender atm.
Surye wrote:Tarhalindur wrote:
PPE:
Surye wrote:Interesting little exchange between Nexus and Hoppster. The FoS on pappums was odd to me, as I don't see not jumping on a wagon or counter wagon page 1 as scummy. I didn't explain this because I wanted to see how he reacted to a page 1 vote against him.
Since when is this townposting?MFoS: Surye
I wish I could respond, but I don't see the problem that you obviously do :/
unvote, vote: Surye
You really don't see the problem here?
Honourable mention of Scumminess goes to Snake, for completely ignoring the building cases and instead trying to reboot RVS.
MagnaofIllusion wrote:bv310 wrote:Oooooh, Counter-wagons are fun.
Then why didn’t you try to start one as opposed to mindlessly wagoning along?
Because when I voted, there were only 2/3 votes on the primary wagon. It's not an effective counter until you're providing a clear alternative to the main.
pappums rat wrote:^ Because I'm RVS'ing GMan, and will continue to do so until I am ready to leave RVS.
This bothers me. I don't like people who refuse to leave RVS when actual things have happened in the game.
Incidentally, to respond to Snake's 3rd Q: The Weeping Angels. Blink was one of my favourite episodes.
bv310 wrote:Okay, I caught up with what I missed. I'm willing to say that Nexus is likely Town, but his reactions at his wagon so far have been extremely scummy. Looking at his iso, he goes from trying to start a counterwagon, to weakly defending a case, to flat-out aggression, to flailing. I'll be willing to vote him once it gets a bit closer to deadline, since I feel like there's a bit more conversation that we can extract first.
bv310 wrote:Well, I don't fully believe Amy Pond as an investigative role, but we have the time to test it, sovote: CES
This is L-1. No hammering until we get more information and I get a good read in, please.