OPEN 310 - Medical Mafia - TOWN WIN

[HellloooNewman]

a - Y
b - N
c -

Vote Hopster

d - I don't like being told what to do
e - N

[HellloooNewman]

I really, REALLY don't like being led by a overly domineering player. Why are you acting like you are in charge anyway.

Upon reflection, I wish I hadn't obliged you by answering your

demands

questions.

[HellloooNewman]

Unvote/Vote: DeityKabuto

Please reference my post 534 in the Square Enix VI game for my reasoning.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3096858

[HellloooNewman]

I don't think I broke any rules. If I did, my apologies.

[HellloooNewman]

Again, my apologies. I accept whatever punishment that comes my way.

[HellloooNewman]

DK, how come you still haven't commented on the hypo-doc situation yet?

This is the first time I have heard the phrase "hypo-doc" so I have no clue what that is.

We all claim to be doctors and claim our targets. The currently discussed system is each person protects the person below him on the playerlist.

Then after tonight's results we can try and figure out who is what.

Oh well I just want to claim my doctor role already if that helps.

Can we PLEASE kill this fuckin' guy already?

[HellloooNewman]

Anybody ever tell you you're awful pushy for a frog.

[HellloooNewman]

Re: Post 87 - Kermit is either bossy town, or ballsy scum. Leaning toward town so far.

@Amrun - No need to rub it in.

Re: DK's last post - Can we PLEASE lynch this fucking guy? PLEEEEEASE?!?!

[HellloooNewman]

No feud. I just know that the game is better off without him.

[HellloooNewman]

They don't know our sanities any more than we do.

So, no, your explanation makes no sense to me.

It makes sense to me. Think of it this way. Say, the scum want to frame somebody (say Player A) as the Quack Doctor. They know that Player A is targeting Player B. They kill Player B. The chances are in their favor that they will kill someone that was NOT targeted by the real Quack Doc (simple probability).

Player B dies from the scum kill, and Player C dies from the REAL Quack Doc. Through speculation, they push their agenda that Player A MUST be the Quack Doc, and Player C MUST have been the scum kill (when it is in fact the opposite).

The next night, Player A thinks he is the Quack Doc (which he is not) and he doesn't use his protect (thereby making scum kills easier). And whoever targeted Player C doesn't realize that they are the real Quack Doc, so he protects again, leading to a kill.

Granted, this is a best case scenario for the scum, but still quite possible.

[HellloooNewman]

They don't know our sanities any more than we do.

So, no, your explanation makes no sense to me.

It makes sense to me. Think of it this way. Say, the scum want to frame somebody (say Player A) as the Quack Doctor. They know that Player A is targeting Player B. They kill Player B. The chances are in their favor that they will kill someone that was NOT targeted by the real Quack Doc (simple probability).

Player B dies from the scum kill, and Player C dies from the REAL Quack Doc.

Through speculation, they push their agenda

that Player A MUST be the Quack Doc, and Player C MUST have been the scum kill (when it is in fact the opposite).

The next night, Player A thinks he is the Quack Doc (which he is not) and he doesn't use his protect (thereby making scum kills easier). And whoever targeted Player C doesn't realize that they are the real Quack Doc, so he protects again, leading to a kill.

Granted, this is a best case scenario for the scum, but still quite possible.

How do we decide who is scum and who is town? We talk, make reads and use our judgement. You can't tell me that you believe that on Day 2, if we have 2 dead townies, that we won't try and figure out which is which. And, when that happens, a strong scum player could talk us in circles.

[HellloooNewman]

True, but think about this. If the scenario I spelled out were to happen, the scum would know who the QD is and exploit that fact. Without the claims, they won't have extra intel over us.

I think that is what it boils down to. Going through with the hypo doc stuff gives the scum way more information than it gives the town.

[HellloooNewman]

Explain which part is incorrect.

[HellloooNewman]

Scum will know our quack. They know who they killed. They would know who targeted them (via the hypo docing). So, if that person died, they would know that the CPR Doc is dead. Hence, another death would be the Quack.

[HellloooNewman]

Wow Amrun. Meant weak doc, not CPR. My point is still the same.

[HellloooNewman]

I'm not sure what to say. My logic makes perfect sense to me. Either I am not explaining myself properly or I'm just a fucktard. Either way, I'm not scum.

Re: Me and DK. Our first game together was HardBoiled. I was scum and was able to effectively push his buttons by being a jerk. During the fallout I even apologized for that. Then we started this game and Square Enix VI. And DK says some of the most ridiculous stuff I had ever seen. Hence my belief that ANY game is better off without him.

My vote is still on him for now because I don't see a better option yet. When one emerges, a vote will follow.

[HellloooNewman]

I'm not pushing hard for a DK lynch. My "can we please kill this fucking guy" comments is less a serious comment and more a "see everyone, this guy IS an idiot" type of comment.

DK is pushing for me way harder than I am him.

Despite my misgivings, in the spirit of cooperation (and to move the game along) I will cooperate with the hypo plan.

[HellloooNewman]

And you guys wonder why I said were better off without him.

[HellloooNewman]

It's also not the game for DK's idiocy. Although, to be fair, no game is.

[HellloooNewman]

Quilford/iceguy - No real read. Possibly one of the two is scum lying low.

TimHill - Reactive posting. Leaning town right now.

And I am town, of course.


@Amrun - For town meta, check out Fringe season 2, Lost season 4 games.

[HellloooNewman]

EBWOP - Dunno what happened to the first half of the above post....here it is anyhow.



Amrun - Likely town. Her meta is that she plays very similarly as scum or town. But I'm just feeling town here.

DK - Scum or town, excellent lynch. The quickhammer attempt is the sort of simple scumtell that he'd have.

Moratorium - Good discussion, probably town.

Hoppster - Started scummy for me by trying to be a leader from the get go. Since then, his conversation is much more townish. Leaning town.

Jill - Scum. Posts are scattered and all over the place.

[HellloooNewman]

Scattered posts mean that they are posting to stay active and commenting on whatever is popular at the moment.

Being extremely proactive and trying to lead the town makes you look VERY protown, especially for a strong player. A good scummers could be a pied piper and lead all suspicion away from himself.

I do not have a wiki those games are in the mini theme queue. Honestly, as I am on an iPod touch, it is a pain in the ass to look up. Theyre there if you wanna look.

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Amrun, please re-read what I said about Hopp. I said he STARTED out scummy by trying to take charge. Since then, his content makes me believe him to be town.

And my vote is not on Jill because it is on DK. Despite thinking he is a step away from full blown retard, I think he is scum AND today's best lynch.

[HellloooNewman]

DK - Scum or town, excellent lynch.

The quickhammer attempt is the sort of simple scumtell that he'd have

.

And my vote is not on Jill because it is on DK. Despite thinking he is a step away from full blown retard, I think he is scum AND today's best lynch.

What made you change your opinion on DK's alignment?

My opinion hasn't changed.

[HellloooNewman]

How the fuck are you an outsider to your own lynch?

*shakes head in amazement*

[HellloooNewman]

5 year olds possess more intuitive thinking than you DK.

[HellloooNewman]

You know who lies? Scum, that's who.

[HellloooNewman]

You know who lies? Scum, that's who.

You are trying to start a case on yourself, now?

Tell me one lie that I've told and I'll vote for myself.

This oughta be good...

[HellloooNewman]

.......the fuck you talking about?

[HellloooNewman]

At this point I think you've accused every player in this game of being scum.

Do we REALLY need more of a reason to lynch this guy? I mean cmon people!!

[HellloooNewman]

What do you mean it feels genuine? It doesn't even makes sense!!

[HellloooNewman]

Have we all agreed to the hypo doc? I'm in for the record.

What about the nurse? He'll be accused of lying tomorrow or the next day. Just bringing up a small point.

[HellloooNewman]

FYI, gonna be V/LA till Wednesday

[HellloooNewman]

I'm the nurse, so I suppose I got DK's role. I got it early in the night and was able to protect TimHill. So, there's that.

[HellloooNewman]

Are we quite sure Jill would bus? Effectively? Admittedly, she is a rookie scummer. I get the feeling she would have buddied or ignored her scummate, instead of bussing. Anyone else see it that way?

[HellloooNewman]

Good catch Amrun.

Vote - TimHill

[HellloooNewman]

LOL it's not like he was L1 or anything.

[HellloooNewman]

*insert 'Price is Right' losing horn sound effect*

I miscounted. Thought he was @ L2 with my vote. FML.

[HellloooNewman]

Not really. I think we all believe that we will lynch the final scum (Tim) and win the game, rendering the point moot.

[HellloooNewman]

Wild thought. Dunno if we can even do it but...

What if we all targeted ourselves tonight?

[HellloooNewman]

Damn, that woulda been fun.

[HellloooNewman]

*annoyed at molasses like slow pace*

Can we lynch Tim NOW?

[HellloooNewman]

I'm not thet type of player to deliberate, hem, haw, deliberate some more, et al........I enjoy fast paced games. Entire RL days going by with 1-2 posts is crap, and doesn't hold my attention.

If I weren't the nurse, you'd vote me? Well, guess what Chachi? I am the nurse. Nobody has counter claimed. That means that I am the ONLY one here that is guaranteed town. So, pipe down son.

Jilly's interaction with you last day phase is PLENTY of reason for me to vote you. Hence, my vote on you. I believe in Kermit's townness. Amrun......I dunno. 50/50 as far as I can see. But, Amrun is a far shot for a lynch today, so you're it bub.

[HellloooNewman]

jilynne's posts indicate tim is the best lynch
my gut indicates Amrun/Moratorium is the best lynch
feeling doubtful on Hoppster, but I think he's probstown

I like what you did there. Where you said a lot of words, without really saying anything at all. We call that "stalling".

Wassupwitdat?

[HellloooNewman]

1 - jilynne's posts indicate tim is the best lynch

2 - my gut indicates Amrun/Moratorium is the best lynch

3 - feeling doubtful on Hoppster, but I think he's probstown

Translation:

1 - Tim is the best lynch
2 - No wait, either Amrun or Moratorium is the best lynch!
3 - I'm skeptical of Hoppster, but regardless of how I feel, I am going to call him town.

Wishy washy bullshit.

1) why would I need to stall, lol
2) how is that stalling, lol
3) how is expressing reads not saying much, lol
4) how did I say 'a lot of words', lol
5) lol
6) lol

pedit: amrun is almost definitely scum

VOTE: Amrun

1 - Cause you are possibly scum, and want time to think of a way to get yourself town cred AND pre-start a wagon for tomorrow
2 - Cause you said nothing and didn't vote
3 - Its not saying much when you talk out of both sides of your mouth
4 - It's a figure of speech. Quit being a literal libby
5 -
6 -

[HellloooNewman]

[HellloooNewman]

Without protection, I am the obvious scum target tonight.

[HellloooNewman]

I am all for this plan.

I'd like Hoppster to protect me.

[HellloooNewman]

Got it.

Now that we have the night time plan under wraps, can we agree on todays lynch?

[HellloooNewman]

Alright, let's try this approach. If it were 1 hour to deadline and you HAD to lynch someone, who would it be?

My top choice is TimHill.

[HellloooNewman]

I'm personally not seeing the Quilford case. Can you explain it to me Tim?

[HellloooNewman]

Unvote/Vote Moratorium

[HellloooNewman]

LOL, try thinking for 5 minutes, THEN posting.

[HellloooNewman]

3 posts, 10:03, 10:05, 10:07. It was basically a stream of conciousness. Nvm, I was just being a smartass.

[HellloooNewman]

Exactly, what problem? The scum choose not to take out a townie? Oh noes!!!

[HellloooNewman]

...........am I just tired, or does that actually make sense?

[HellloooNewman]

I don't care if I die, as long as my death is not senseless. If it catches the scum and wins the game, I am all for it.

[HellloooNewman]

So, we lynch Mora today, then we all protect who tonight? Tim? Quilford? Amrun?

[HellloooNewman]

Agreed

[HellloooNewman]

Sounds good to me.

[HellloooNewman]

Someone hammer Mora. Tonight, we all target Tim, and Tim targets me.

Do it.

[HellloooNewman]

Whoo hoo!! Good game all!

[HellloooNewman]

And I remember being vaguely suspicious of him D1, too. Thanks for attempting to NK me, it lifted my mood a little especially when I remember how much I was lurking D1.

Also: all deaths came from town! xD

It was my suggestion muahahaha. Moratorium is my husband.

A real life scum team!! Awesome!!

[HellloooNewman]

Wrong player dude lol

I have no idea what this comment means.

[HellloooNewman]

Who said they were the same?

[HellloooNewman]

Anyways, nice job, Moratorium...*sigh*

Ugh, I really despise playing with HelloooooNewman.

Can I ask why?

[HellloooNewman]

Newman's play was awesome awesomeness awesomesauce.

I'm picking up on your sarcasm.

Seems like I'm getting a bunch of hate from this game. I really don't understand why?

[HellloooNewman]