Mini 1195: The Beehive Mystery (GAME OVER)

[Captain Spoon]

Yeah, we're a hydra

As we're both strongly inspired by Napoleon we decided to team up for the greater good.

VOTE: beck

If you're town there was no logical motivation behind that post. If scum, then you probably should have just kept quiet or gone for miller :/
either way, this is a good wagon

[Captain Spoon]

who do I know...

Sleepykrew? eh..
I've played with Marble before.
Acronach was a fun scumpartner to have until He replaced out of the game we were in. I look forward to this
and I know Confid from double day mafia

this looks set to be.... interesting
@To my other head: we can use our QT now. Fun fun fun

~Twistedspoon

[Captain Spoon]

I disagree with your conclusion on yank, Ivan. Though he might have been saying the obvious slightly, It's a null-tell at worst. The fact that Jesters are outlawed is Irrelevant, although why would scum point that out? Why would they want to reduce the lynch fodder?

Also, are you going to reveal your heads, or are you not in that business?

[Captain Spoon]

There is plenty of reasons to make a comment like that as town, if you can't think of any fair enough, but i sure can.

so you had planned to do it?

[Captain Spoon]

UNVOTE:

yeah, I can't see scum wanting to draw attention to themselves actually. Scum are more likely to exploited your joke in all honesty (if you are town that is)

VOTE: Ivan

so were you reaction fishing then? If so, what conclusions did you draw?

[Captain Spoon]

Sleepykrew? eh..
Acronach was a fun scumpartner to have until He replaced out of the game we were in. I look forward to this

you're forgetting the game you screwed up and then replaced out of.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=17550
your fail reaction test coupled with the face that GreyIce was your replacement messed up my reads and almost screwed the town over.

it wasn't a fail reaction test. I have stern words reagrding that and I'm not going to mention it. I replaced out as soon as i saw vezok.
Besides this is a hydra. We are one

also, you should really have more to say than that. Opinion on beck's pots for example.

But that being said, the reactions it generated will prove to be useful.

expand

[Captain Spoon]

Beck's joke seems harmless enough to me, given its timing. Captain Spoon's attack on it therefore seems a bit over the top, but I guess it helps to get some substance in early and he seems sincere.

I like to put... conviction into my RVS votes to add that extra bit of pressure. Pressure is certainly useful as scum and town have different responses to pressure

Really can't see where Spoon's vote comes from in post 24. Certainly he isn't providing any explanation himself (care to do so, Captain?); but I like that he called Acronach for lurking, and I distrust Ivan's attempt to invoke RVS long after it's gone.

I think Beck's town at this point, so why not slap an RVS vote on Ivan. He's said 'This is a serious vote' twice now. I find that slighty odd.

because i don't have a solid scumread on anyone ATM. once i get one, i'll vote it. simple as that. not really brain surgery here.
(inb4hepullsanoppratunistic-scumandsaysi'mBeck'sscumbuddyfornotvotinghim)

I don't like this at all compadré

It's RVS and there is nothing more useless than an unused vote. You don't need a solid scumread yet. In fact, not voting is anti-town.
VOTE: Acro

Other comments:

I'd have called ICE out for opportunistic wagoning, But If anything I don't find the way he's wagoned yank scummy. I mean he did the opposite of what I'd expect from scum, which would be just sheeping a vote and citing a past case. The fact that ICEninja got his own little case together is town indeed
Also, I like the path Confidanon is taking. Sharing my mindset is usually a town tell for me, and there are bigger fish to fry than Yank right now.

Early reads (note: This is just the Twistedspoon head talking. Once Captain corporal gets on the reads may change after we discuss)

Probtown

ICEninja
Confidanon
Beck
SubGenius (I like his conclusion of Yank)

Need to hear more

Marble (I like his one post though)
Tommy (I like his one post though)
Rblinker
Those who've yet to post (sleepykrew, The kool)

Slightly suspicious

Yank (marble's post is a new way of looking at the situation I didn't see before)
Ivan

Scummish

Acronach

~TS

[Captain Spoon]

one more thing

@Sungenius: Do you still like your Beck vote? I feel like pressure on him will get us no further and his joking was probably more town in hindsight. I can't see scum wanting to draw attention to themselves unless it's for a pro- town reason. What do you think of Acro?

[Captain Spoon]

SK, you're just copying Vollkan's scumhunting method aren't you

For those who aren't familiar sleepykrew is keeping a tally of scuminess or something like that.

@SK: post 79. How is that AtE?

also, you're in danger of falling into IIoA here, Padré

[Captain Spoon]

@CS
RVS is OVER. Acro did the right thing not slapping on a vote.
+5

this is awful

voting is the town's greatest weapon

Not voting is nearly always anti-town. You should

always

be applying pressure. How else are you suspposed to make the scum slip?

FoS: Sleepykrew

+10 if I was using SK's method of scumhunting

[Captain Spoon]

there is no town reason not to vote at this stage. No town motivation whatsoever, SK

only the scum one that scum are afraid of pressuring a player who may turn on them as they know they aren't scum

[Captain Spoon]

RVS is irrelevant

you should always have a vote placed. ALWAYS

[Captain Spoon]

Why me and not him? = AtE

That's not AtE at all

That's the Tu Quoque logical fallacy

Appeal to emotion is 'I'll cry if you vote me' or 'I weep for the future of mafia if I'm lynched'

[Captain Spoon]

You accused him of not RVSing. Why? Like I said, RVS is OVER. And he doesn't want to use his vote now, don't make him. It was only page 2.

It was page 2 ; RVS wasn't over then

and even so, you should always have a vote. There is no town motivation for not voting

[Captain Spoon]

And the town motivation is he didn't have any clue who scum were. Agree t disagree?

nope

you should always vote. If you have no clue who the scum are vote your gut scum read or a random player

Having played with Papa zito, Hoopla and other veterans, one of the thing's I've been taught is that not voting anyone is near always anti-town and there is no town motivation for it

[Captain Spoon]

Care to explain this?

I vote Acro soon after a re-read

[Captain Spoon]

if RVS is over then something has happened to make it so

RVS just doesn't end for no reason

the act of ending RVS usually causes you to have developed reads from RVS and thus don't need to make a random vote but can vote a scumread

in other words, RVS isn't when random votes are, but Random votes are in RVS
we only RVS at the start of a game because we have no reads at the start and when there are no developed reads then RVS is the only way to go

[Captain Spoon]

Acronach's next post will be incredibly useful.
I'll explain why afterwards

[Captain Spoon]

RVS has ended (which I never said it hadn't). You should still have a vote

which part of you should nearly always have a vote do you not understand? Have your migraines addled your thinking again?

and I have an excellent point to make but I can't make it yet until Acro posts

[Captain Spoon]

that was the this is now

and it doesn't matter anyways. My point as that not voting is inherantly anti-town

I have a conclusion to make but I need an Acro post first

[Captain Spoon]

^The only winning move is not to play

Don't make me have to explain this. I've had enough explaining already with telling you what AtE is and how not voting is poor town play

[Captain Spoon]

above post was for sleepykrew

[Captain Spoon]

I find Sleepy's support of Acro's refusal to vote a bit strange. I wouldn't vote someone for refusing to vote, but neither would I argue that it is a good move, and I certainly wouldn't assign someone "vollkan points"© for calling someone out for refusing to vote.

indeed

SK's white-knighting is very suspicious regardless of Acro's alignment

[Captain Spoon]

the problem is if you want to see someone's true alignment, you gotta pressure them

no point saying, "go ahead and act pro-town from now on. I'll pretend that you've done nothing suspicious"

anyways, like I say, I'm waiting on an Acro post right now because I think it might indicate something else....

[Captain Spoon]

Was not voting good play? No.

you say it's suspicious here

and do I have to call Hoopla in and get her to explain why not voting is bad indeed if I haven't stressed this point enough?

[Captain Spoon]

I jolly well find bad play suspicious

If you're happy to see anti-town things and keep walking head in the clouds then you're welcome to do so padré

are you seriously telling me you don't find bad play suspicious?
and I've already explained why there is no town motivation for not voting. You should always have a scummiest read and if not then slap it on anyone. Pessure is always good as it helps separate the townies from the mafioso

[Captain Spoon]

what makes you say Acro is a VI?
Why didn't you mention this before when you said he had bad play? Otherwise I end up drawing the conclusion that you find him scummy >_>

you're concealing information here. Alarm bells should be ringing

[Captain Spoon]

I'm not in the habit of checking if every player is a VI

I assume they aren't unless someone tells me so as we're not in a newbie game

The game I played with him. He also gets OMGUSy under pressure.

and was he scum?

that doesn't make him a village idiot either way

in my game with Acro I didn't find him as a VI at all.

You're white-knighting here.

[Captain Spoon]

I personally don't like anything captain has been saying, he seems to be flailing a little bit.

it looks that way when one has to do this tedious talking to SK

I also disagree about your comment about there not being a reason to not vote as town, I also don't like how you bring in these names of other mafia players to add credibility to that statement, because there is no way we can actually ask these people if they agree with that logic.

There is no motivation to not vote as town

that is mafia 101

The vote is the town's greatest weapon. You should know that

Captain, your vote on Arco seems to make no sense at the moment but I do want to hear from him, right now i'm looking at this as a possible bussing attempt but we will see how the game progresses.

It makes perfect sense because he's done zilch and isn't voting

what makes you say this is bussing?

I'm looking at you right now and thinking 'chainsaw'

final note, Captain, people don't need votes on them to scum slip, there are other ways to get people to scum slip, there are other ways to scum hunt, just cause somebody isn't voting it doesn't mean they are automatically anti-town

like what?

scum need pressure to make mistakes

i.e. votes

I'm trying to talk to my other head right now, but He's not here at present

[Captain Spoon]

scum need pressure to slip

this is basic mafia

[Captain Spoon]

ever heard the saying '2 heads are better than one?'

thought not

[Captain Spoon]

it explains why it's just been me so far

and it's also a warning that reads may be subject to change should my parter disagree with my reads

[Captain Spoon]

I've explained everything and concealed nothing (unlike some *cough*)

I need no saving

[Captain Spoon]

well I can't tell you, obv, or else Acro will change his post to appear more town which I will not want if Acro is scum

If i explain what the towntell is I'm looking for, then it would be useless as Acro will just purposefully include it

If I'm keeping something secret, it's for a reason. Trying to get me to spill it does town no favours

Incidentally, was there any reason why you joined this game late?

[Captain Spoon]

what are you talking about?

you don't even have a case on me?

[Captain Spoon]

give me some reasons why I'm scummy that I haven't already explained

[Captain Spoon]

so which hydra are you from arachaebob?

[Captain Spoon]

I'm guessing Ivan

[Captain Spoon]

VOTE: SK
reasons

1) comes up with this "oh, I didn't suspect Acro because... uh.. He's A VI?" theory to save himself from a contradiction
2) sheepy sheeps onto my wagon
3) Sleepykrew tried to loudly justifiy his lack of voting and continued doing it for a long time, until he could safely sheep onto a wagon. Town players told they are playing poorly (and not voting is exceedingly poor town play) will quickly re-engage with the game. Good scum will do the same. But bad or simply absent-minded scum are overly concerned with saving face - they'd rather JUSTIFY their inaction instead of RESOLVING it.

[Captain Spoon]

yeah, until just now, and I've said i don't like your vote 9or lack of rasoning)

like you say, we're out of RVS, so you should be prepared to make a case as I did

[Captain Spoon]

and I don't think you understand omgus, SK

omgus, is OMG, you suck

I am, OMG, you're scum

there's a difference

[Captain Spoon]

I'll give an updated list of reads shortly. I'm discussing them in the hydra QT but in brief, Beck and ICE have become more town to me. I think I found a towntell from beck

I feel like this whole Sleepy vs Spoon thing is town on town. They're both trying to find scum,

sleepy is faux scumhunting

you even said

A lot of the things you gave someone scum points for didn't really merit the scum points.

So yeah. I see no reason to think SK is truly scumhunting. Tunneling and giving no reasons for the player he's voting might count for something...

And Spoon, how does that give you any indication that he is scum?

The VI loophole was very bizzare and very convenient for him to get out of a tight corner

I don't remember or think that Acro is a VI

While I think pressure is a great way to induce scum slips, I disagree that they need pressure to slip. Scum makes bad votes, bad cases, lousy bus attempts, and get themselves outed in VCA all the time.

I see what you're saying here

Scum make bad votes

like sleepykrew

Scum make bad cases

like sleepykrew

etc.

[Captain Spoon]

@Tommy
Flails and contradictions.

what contradictions? I explained them

and by flailing you mean explaining

[Captain Spoon]

@Spoon
Why are you ignoring Tommy?

because he asked me no questions fool

[Captain Spoon]

No, actually, you didn't. Now answer the part directed at you.

then tell me which contradictions I didn't explain

[Captain Spoon]

But he's not voting.

I've noticed

and that's why I'm trying to persuade people to vote you

[Captain Spoon]

No, actually, you didn't. Now answer the part directed at you.

then tell me which contradictions I didn't explain

[Captain Spoon]

"I'm not concealing anything." "I'm hiding my secret towntell."
"Not voting = scum." "Tommy's not voting. That's okay."
AD HOM AD HOM AD HOM

i never ad hom'd

I could make a nice montage of you doing it though padré

and I've explained why it would be daft to teach scum how to be town

[Captain Spoon]

IMO, you're a VI.

yeah that's just it, in your opinion

and when did you opinion lead to someone being 'infamous'?

[Captain Spoon]

Ohaiderrguise
This is the other half of the Captain Spoon hydra - Captain Corporal
I've been away until 10 minutes ago, and you've already got 8 pages going.
Time to re-read.

-Captain Corporal

[Captain Spoon]

Well, I just finished reading through the 8 pages of posts, and I'm inclined to agree with Da Koolzzy - it gave this head an ache, after a couple of tiring days, too.
From what I've seen so far, I don't really like the way Sleepy seemed to be chainsawing when we had our vote on Acro, then says "I will jump on the wagon if necessary", or something like that (on a mobile device, sorry). If you're so convinced our case is wrong, then you shouldn't really be jumping on thee wagon without thinking. Sounds like a bus to me.
So, I'll go ahead and FOS you both. (I have no idea where our vote is right now. I should go check).
Still need to get posting in my QT and get up some notes.

Next up on my list: read some ISO.

My bad.

-Captain Corporal

[Captain Spoon]

Sleepy, answer me this.
You said "I'll jump on the bandwagon if he doesn't give a satisfactory response".
1. What entails a "satisfactory response"?
2. A response to what?
3. If you disagree with the case made on Acro, why would his next post change anything when you claim he's VI?

[Captain Spoon]

if im town and SK is maf, why would he defend me?

buddying and whit-knighting are great reasons why SK would defend you

we still think Sleepy is scum and we have very strong town reads in ICE, beck and (to a lesser extent) subgenius

more reads later (maybe)

[Captain Spoon]

that's the worst backpeddaling I've ever seen

"this lynch isn't going to work. Let's go spoon"

Confirm vote: SK

[Captain Spoon]

1. I was quoting acro, just didn't use the quote tag cause I was on my phone
2. The original question from acro was directed at Subs, why did you answer it
For him?

because that part of the post appealed to me and I felt I could answer it and explain SK's true motives

[Captain Spoon]

I wanted to point out the possibilites of SK white-knighting or buddying, which I thought you had overlooked

[Captain Spoon]

because we think he's scum and scum tend to buddy

we wanted to bring up that possibility. We can't rely on other to bring up what our theories are

[Captain Spoon]

also, Beck buddying would be a very good move for scum indeed

[Captain Spoon]

he is (or should be) a strong town read

[Captain Spoon]

Captain spoon - my impression, for lack of a better term, is noob town. i know he's not exactally new, but there's a saying i go by: a new player is someone who doesn't yet know how to play. a noob is someone who chooses to not know how to play. so essentially, it fits.

If I chose not to play what would the point in me playing be?

anyways, I know one of the GreyMarble heads and I've seen him around. Maybe he forgot about the game?

[Captain Spoon]

it's my policy to never ad hom, so that's a blatant lie

and I've talked about the contradictions, but you refuse to listen

[Captain Spoon]

The mason claim is true

it would be suicidal for scum to do it

If he is a mason he'd be killed by scum in due time anyways

Votes on Yank ought to come off and go on a nice Acronach wagon (Personally, we prefer SK, but we're trusting ICE for now and Acro is a fair wagon too)

[Captain Spoon]

If anything, masons often play bad since they feel they can fall back on their mason claim

[Captain Spoon]

I would like to point out, if we really do have a 3 Mason team going here, that the scumteam(s) must be pretty powerful.

Discussing what to do next with my other head.

[Captain Spoon]

why? :[

[Captain Spoon]

Fair enough. Looking forward to playing in another game with you, Sleepy. Or am I already? I forget.

-CC

[Captain Spoon]

yeah, we're switching our vote of of SK (for now) to give his replacement a fresh start.

VOTE: Acro

[Captain Spoon]

Was just about to do that, Twisted.

Yeah, as my other head said, we'd like to give SKs replacement a chance, but if he/she fails to give a reasonable reason why they're not scum and why we shouldn't be voting them, we'll have our vote back on.

[Captain Spoon]

@Beck
We think Beck is scum for a number of reasons.
1. He only has a few posts that scumhunt at all. Most of his posts are based around the whole VI thing.
2. The VI thing. Early(ish) game, he said TS was an idiot and an infamous VI, basically trying to discredit everything we said. And guess who we were suspicious of at the time? SK.
3. He is the perfect scumbuddy for SK.
4. His reads on us changed from scum to town with no explaination. I'd like to know why.

[Captain Spoon]

EBWOP: *Acro, not Beck.
My bad.

-CC

[Captain Spoon]

yeah, beck is most certainly not scum

not after all those townslips we've been collecting

[Captain Spoon]

we were just discussing our lynch preferences in the hydra QT too and we find it the same as yours Sub, so credit to you

we think Ivan is odd, but probably myslynch fodder. I've played with the revealed head before and the town play looks similar (can't explain further due to ongoing games rule) and we feel were he scum he'd have been opportunistic and jumped on our wagon at the start of the game

on the flipside, ICE, Sub and Beck are real strong town reads, and we object to Yank and blinker lynches for today

[Captain Spoon]

GL town.

-____-

what was the point in saying that unless it is what i think it is

[Captain Spoon]

yeah, beck is most certainly not scum

not after all those townslips we've been collecting

This post is very weird. You know how sometimes your gut itches? This is like poking it with a hot stick.

We're keeping our vote on greymarble until he posts, but this also warrants looking into.

Y'see my partner and I tend to discuss the players in our QT

you might want to try it sometime

[Captain Spoon]

well Grey is ignoring our other game too so...

[Captain Spoon]

¬_¬

you guys do realise that the more we speculate about the masons the less likely it is that the scum will kill them and confirm them?

the less said the better.... for now..

[Captain Spoon]

[quote="Greymarble"]I <3 Flashwagons. Except when they're on me.
VOTE: Acronach

I don't expect him to flip scum, so bleh./quote]
Justifying a town flip before the flip?

and why vote if you don't think he's scum? Self preservation?

the thing is, your posts is so blatantly anti-town I feel it can't be a scum one

and an Acro vote is good with me

[Captain Spoon]

@Ivan and Sub
Wasn't that the hammer? Votes can't be changed after the hammer.
Or am I wrong?

-Forever clueless, CC.

[Captain Spoon]

I don't like how you're trying to justify your vote as you place it marble

if Acro flips town, my eye is on you tommorow (amongst other suspects)

[Captain Spoon]

VOTE: Kool

now that the mason thing is confirmed kool looks real suspect for trying to lynch them...

Grey looks bad too though after trying to justify his hammer whilst casting it

[Captain Spoon]

I'll do a PofE or reads list tommorow hopefully. i think ivan might be town and I want to propose this notion tommorow. I'll need to see if CC agrees though.

oh, and welcome Jily. I think you know us both

[Captain Spoon]

Okay, this is the start of some PofE
Before I get to my scumreads I need to rule out my townreads. Firstly Beck, who I'm starting with, is a strong town read and I'm going to explain why this is to add credibility to my scumreads when I get to them

Beck

First, I must be scum lol

At first I didn't realise it, but this is not the attention scum want at the start of a game and is too bold a move for them to do. Why risk everything if a post like this could turn things so bas so early. Very town

MOD- I personally think all hydras need to out who their heads are, it's bad enough to be playing with ore than one, keeping it a secret just makes it worse

I've seen this before. Hydra paranoia/Frustration is a big towntell because Townies are on their own. Townies feel weak because they are alone. Scum are together, they do not feel weak and have no reason to fear a player that might have a possible advantage in 2 heads. Or as I stated it in our QT
"Scum don't feel the same sense of fear that they get from a hydra, but a townie does as a townie is super suspicious as he's all alone"

Reading through iso of SK a few things stand out

1. I don't like his first post where he asks for a vc for fear of doing something stupid, not sure why but it rubs me the wrong way
2. Later he says I'm a good lynch(more on this later) adds in Ivan to that list too
3. Declares somebody a VI and defends acro, I don't understand how anyone can defend a person if you don't know their allignment. If Arco is scum and SK is town, SK Has been defending scum. That is why defending people makes no sense. If arco truly is a VI, they typically ruin games so again, why defend him.
4. Pushing on spoon but I really don't see why, I can't find a good case that SK has made
5. He blindly follows my info, without even checking if I was right or not, yet earlier he says I'm a good lynch. Why would he blindly follow me?

General question to be answered by anyone

Why would somebody who is town, blindly follow anyone?

Isn't that sheeping?

Sheeping is a scum tell still right?

I swear to me, Ivan, SK, and Yank look like scum.

This post is real town to me. Explains exactly what he's thinking and unprovoked re-reads are very often town. Scum don't need to re-read; they know all the info

The final point I want to make on Beck is his consistency

I agree about greymarble, more postage
still not impressed with Koolzy either
Tommy has improved
sub has moved down a few notches from my original town read
so has acro
I still despise ivan, but i'm the only one who aparantly has a problem with archaebob contradicting himself
the rest are all null reads
yank I still think is scum
and I am pretty sure I know who the 3 masons are IF, there are 3 masons, which sadly I actually think might be true but it pisses me off cause yank is just so damn scummy.
SK is still scum imo

still waiting to hear more from acro and want him to answer my earier question to him, that bussing comment is a slip the more and more I have time to think of it but not voting til I hear more from him.

unvote

need to re-evaluate ivan, I really need to re-read him in general.

their confusion added to my confusion.

SK is still a good lead, but there are others I am suspecting.

Again I need to re-read each person.

I can tell you that I still don't trust captain spoon and their buddying, but I am always leery of people telling me they think I am town, where I normally play i'm always referred to as the most scummiest player lol.

Ok read a few people

Sub, can't put my finger on it yet, but I'm leaning scum on you now. The way you tried to change your vote to grey like it tortured you or something doesn't sit right

Odd note, The Kool is new to this site but has a hydra already? Also reading his first game, I just feel like he is an alt, not that it matters.

What matters is his overreaction vote on spoon, and his useless play all game. I feel his vote for Yank was opportunistic and he tries to play it off after like his vote was serious.

His failure to provide any real reads while at one point calling somebody a lurker, and accusing me of" sitting back enjoying the show" is extremely laughable.

vote: DJ Koolzy

These 3 quotes and reads are all very consistent and that would be unusual for scum since they tend to ride the biggest wagons. That and that many reads are the same with us, e.g. Kool, makes us think Beck is town for our PofE

(note: This beck Iso was one of the shorter ones because I don't think that much persuasion is needed to show beck as town)

[Captain Spoon]

Ivan

I think CC and I have been quite nice to Ivan up to this point. up to now we thought that he might not be scum since we expected scum to ride our wagon more like SK did. I van never voted for us but looking at some of the votes he has cast, all seem to be on strong town, or confirmed town reads:

This account is a hydra.

vote beck

His joke sounds nervous. This is a serious vote.

strong town

unvote

vote yank

NOW this vote is serious

conf. town

Bah. Well, there goes that idea.

unvote vote Acronach

Your posts so far have been devoid of content.

conf. town

This is where you vote Sleepykrew, and it implies the same thing. Your argument requires achro to be scum therefore you should be voting achro if you actually believe what you're saying. You aren't, therefore you don't.

unvote, vote: Subgenius.

suspected town (see later PofE case)

I, for one, disagree vehemently with the subgenius vote that was made by the other head. If it were up to me, we would have been on Yank this entire time, which is what I thought we were doing...

vote Yank

Fuck it.

vote: Yank

even more conf. town (and head disparities)

vote tommy

Cause we agree with Greymarble, and are glad to see him posting some content. Hope he keeps it up.

@ Tommy -

We were pretty much just slinging mud.

This is a terribe post all around. Opportunistic sheeping and mudslinging....
The vote looks rather scummy. It does not match with

Personally I am not as much a fan of a Tommy wagon, so for the moment we are abandoning that.

either (although to be fair they did list tommy as a scumread before now)

Finally, we also don't like how these 2 quotes look inconsistent

unvote vote Greymarble

You need to post a lot more than you have. You are one of the most experienced and skilled players here, and I am extremely disconcerted by your lack of content so far. At this point, your play does not in the least bit line up with your town meta.

vote tommy

Cause we agree with Greymarble, and are glad to see him posting some content. Hope he keeps it up.

we don't like how at first meta gave a scumread on grey to Ivan, but then Ivan blindly sheeps Grey when he starts posting a little more
The conclusion here is that if one of Grey or Ivan flips scum the other is a likely scumbuddy since the Grey vote looked like a safe bus since grey was gone

In general we think Ivan might be town, but he might also be scum, even if some of his play is odd. He trusts Grey an unusual amount and we didn't see him vote SK either which is worrying, and we find it concerning that he only mentions Sleepykrew in one post.
Thus we do not object to an Ivan lynch as we feel it would be a great indicator of the alignments of Krew/Jily, Tommy and Greyice

[Captain Spoon]

K, I'm tired now

more Iso later today maybe. Things should all become clearer when all the isos are done because then the PofE should point clearly to scum

[Captain Spoon]

Sleepy - town, for meta reasons.

explain your meat case on SK. thanks

[Captain Spoon]

that's meant to say meta; not meat ¬_¬

[Captain Spoon]

proddoge

I'm dissapointed CC hasn't posted. I told him I was V/La

K, I still think Kool and Jily are scum

Blinker and Ivan are mislynch fodder

and I liked magic's last post

I haven't continued with my PofE case mainly because I think I've overcommitted in my games and haven't had much time. that and It's so easy to put off logging in as a hydra. :/
I expect my other head will finish the PofE. I'm just glad I got beck and Ivan out of the way

with Jily and kool likely scum I think Tommy could only be the last one since I have town reads on everyone else

since Jilly's wagon looks most feasible right now and kool is being replaced(?)

VOTE: jily

[Captain Spoon]

I'M SORRY TWISTED D:

I've been a hard-out lurker. Sorry guise, I kind of defeated the purpose of the hydra.
But anyway.
Posting time!

Jily is scum. On the last page along, she has provided enough evidence to convict her.
1.

...I have a super boring role...

Here she uses this excuse to get her out of the hole she dug. What would a townie gain by saying this? Nothing. Scum on the other hand, would most definitely use this to get out of lurking.
2.

...I really start posting when I get to L-1...

That can be arranged (ever since I saw her write that I wanted to use that line).
Firstly, this is expanding upon that excuse before to get out of lurking. Which is bad.
Secondly, in another game I had with you (you lurked), you were put at L-1 and stil hardly posted (after which you were hammered), then you flipped scum.
3.
My whole experience with Jily points to her as scum. Coupled with the fact that I didn't like SK...

[Captain Spoon]

TS here

I like Ivan's last post after a quick skim of it. However I've had a gut town read of Sub the whole game and I don't want to lynch him. I find there are some small towntells in his ISO that I like. I'll come to these if a Sub lynch actually becomes serious. Otherwise i see no point in searching for them again

I forget who my vote is on, but I quite like Scott so I'll take my vote off of kool (if it was on him which i think it may have been) and vote likely scumspect #2
VOTE: Jily

I quite like Magic too, he's not been bad at all

[Captain Spoon]

I quite like Scott so I'll take my vote off of kool

You quite like him? Do you mean his behaviour makes it less likely that Koolzzy was scum? How so?

Kool was scummy. The vote he put on yank was very suspect. Apart from that I don't remember too much about him

Scott reducing the lynch pool to only those who cannot be masons seems very pro-town however

[Captain Spoon]

Hey, CC here
This whole feud between Beck and Sub should probably stop, as I doubt either of you willbe lynch candidates for today. At the moment, Jily and Marble are the only two.
Each has obvious reasons for being scum. Marble because he made a terrible hammer, and Jily / SK because of everything they've said (basically). At the moment I don't really like the Marble wagon, as I've seen town make idiotic hammers before, even on their town reads (actually I can link one exactly like this, if any of you want). It should be a null tell.
The Jily wagon we are much more supportive of. I believe we've stated why.

[Captain Spoon]

[a]http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... er_sort=Go[/a]

There you go, ISO post #33. Fits this situation exactly.

[Captain Spoon]

Sorry, got the link tags confused. I have no idea what I did there.

[Captain Spoon]

Sorry everyone, TS has gone V/LA and I just got a whole lot busier with school.

Catch up post coming today.

[Captain Spoon]

marble?

you're going for him?

what about the SK/kool reps? I'm sure there's a scum in that pair.

My past experience with marble says he's town. Town marble is cryptic and lazy, but a great asset to the town when he actually makes a case

I think we should leave him alive and if we don't get golden cases and ISos from him tommorow he can face the gallows

either way, i don't think marble should go today. There are better candidates

[Captain Spoon]

Hey marble, which votes on you do you find the scummiest?

[Captain Spoon]

I blame CC

i told him i Was v/la

I really need a votecount right now

catching up to see who's been exploiting this marble wagon

[Captain Spoon]

Quick question: is marble the only one here with a suspicion on tommy? I feel he could be a dark horse candidate. Not sure

An Llmarble lynch is unacceptable. We will be looking very carefully at everybody on that wagon if the lynch goes through. You all need to flashwagon subgenius for a mafia lynch.

agrees with first part but not second

K, this gitah fellow is odd

I thought I'd heard the name twistedspoon before and initially read him off as being a fool but he's shown himself to be reasonably town in his posts. Solid town read.

some nerve you have
I'll have you know I'm nominated for 2 scummy awards. I am no fool. This game has just been awkward for me

I appreciate that he made reads though.

Magic boy is a wildcard. I don't feel I can analyse him well. Leaning town from flakey anon though

Scott seems good enough once you overlook the marble obession (who I'm sure will be flipping town. Scum marble would do as he promised and have cases by now; he has most to lose. And meta and gut arguments)

Tommy is suspect. I'll VCA him sometime

NInjas: Thanks tommy. Seeing as Sub is the only other wagon and he's a weaker town read than Marble, I'll go down that route. I think he might be town, but not as much as I think for marble

Reluctant vote: Sub

@Magic trainer: are any of your suspects on the marble wagon? If so do you still think it makes sense to hammer then? I feel as though marble is myslynch fodder and scum have pushed to get his lynch

[Captain Spoon]

I'm going to skim back to the start of D2 and see how this marble wagon occured

I feel sure that it would have been started by scum. Marble was such an easy target after his hammer

No-hammers pls

[Captain Spoon]

Tommy not being on the Acro wagon goes to his credit, but on the flipside he voted no-one D1.
why was this?

[Captain Spoon]

okay, I feel like originall scum tried to push a jilly wagon D2

that failed for some reason so they started to push marble

If marble flips scum, Ivan needs a real check over, but I strongly doubt he will
I expect scum ivan to be on Marble town right now. Ivan isn't so I conclude ivan town if marble town.

D1 tommy was super conservative with his vote. Now that Myslynches are everywhere you turn your head today; Marble, Ivan, the vote has been going much more. Not sure what to think

ICE i have difficulty reading. marble seems to have a scumread on him. Can you elaborate pls?

I'll try to get something on Tommy tommorow. After reviewing again, there are some parts of Sub I don't like, but some parts I do. Tommy+sub is possible. Tommy has been pro-sub. But I lack evidence today

I'll be V/la from monday for 2 weeks, so It's CC's fault if you hear nothing D3 :p

In conclusion I'll accept a Sub lynch. The cases on him are somewhat flimsy, but My gut strongly argues against marble

[Captain Spoon]

K

[Captain Spoon]

VOTE: tommy

gut ahoy

[Captain Spoon]

Ivan owes me one

VOTE: sub

[Captain Spoon]

^Demetri Martin

[Captain Spoon]

well specifically speaking I'm only one head of a hydra, but sure