Mini 1202 Smalltown Mafia (Game Over!)

[Beck]

Vote: Juls

cause I wanted to be the first to post

[Beck]

looks like it was full of fail

[Beck]

I skipped the newbie que, mostly cause I hate known setups. First 9 person game I have ever played though, should be fun.

[Beck]

Yes I have played on another site, easily have played 30 games. Have played small games, dethy games, and large games with really complex setups.

[Beck]

Shout out to a fellow skin fan btw.

[Beck]

Not sure I like that vote change, VP. Looks like you are nervous and instead of voting charter , you go after phoebus

[Beck]

my lack of vote on you doesn't mean I beleive it any less, I just felt it was odd so wanted to call it out.

I didn't see Phoebus follow anyone, unless agreeing with a post is somehow following them?
Does charter not tangling with you affect your read on him? If so how?

[Beck]

You don't know the difference between following and agreeing?

If anything charter followed Phoebus since phoebus started the vote on Pan, not the other way around.

Even the way he said "I like your style"when he voted, was a jokingly attempt at following.

[Beck]

I am inclined to disagree with the read on Vp, but im waiting to hear from charter and for Phoebus to actually say something.

[Beck]

I am inclined to disagree with the read on Vp,

but im waiting to hear from charter and for Phoebus to actually say something.

You think I'm scum and yet you have an RVS vote out. Cool story.

Scum team = Phoebus and Beck

Who wants to plus one this?

clearly you missed this part. I am waiting for charter to chime in. I would like to see his response to your comment

ah, charter is always going to call me scum because that's how he rolls (though he should have the guts to tangle with me directly).

besides if you are going to react without pressure, why not spend this time trying to catch your scum buddy.

[Beck]

it means you are reacting to my comments, without any pressure so there is no need to actually vote you just yet.

[Beck]

Charter made perfectly valid points.

-1

[Beck]

Agreed on the fluff part. Nothing else though

+1

So despite agreeing with him on a part of his problem with Panacea, you still think he is worthy of your vote? IDGI

Just because his observation is correct, doesn't prove anything. Scum or town is likely to make the same sort of observation.

The bigger issue I am having is with hiplop, he seems to be trying to make mountains out of molehills.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Charter. Nitpicking way too much for page 3. From what i remember; he never played like this, grasping for too many straws, too quickly.

Charter made an observation, he wasn't being nit-picky nor do I think he was grasping at straws

The same could be said for a few. But he's going too hard for such a small thing. Its not a big deal, warrants a vote, for me at least.

I didn't feel charter was going to hard at all

We're still early on. It was more-or-less a RV, but tacked on with something i noticed that could be an early scumtell. No need to get angry, i just don't want to bring soeone to L-1/ go on a wagon i don't think is needed (phoebus)

I do agree that shes active-lurking too hard, but it gained steam really fast. You're going just a little too tough.

This is merely a compromise.

hate this post, horrible reaction post after charter calls hiplop scum

now this is something with more bite than what VP was doing, I feel more comfortable with placing my vote on hip

vote hiplop

but on a side note

Budja - why did you decide to meta just Panacea and can you point me to the game you feel supports her behavior in this game?

[Beck]

I seriously lol'd at the vote count. Not sure I ever seen 2 people tied at l-2 before.

Will re-read the thread again at lunch to see what these wagons are based on, right now though I feel my vote on hip, is solid, no need to change ATM.

[Beck]

This is really funny

Phoebus votes pan, and quickly 2 people hop on

Vp decides Phoebus is following charter and votes him, juls follows and Budja comes out of the blue and joins.

So we have a wagon, and a counter wagon. Each dead locked.

Charter first calls VP scum
Vp doesn't really call charter town, but excuses his accusation as accepted meta
Charter later flips and calls vp town.

I want to hear more from charter, I really want to hear more from Budja

And Juls, why do you think VP is town? I don't see anything he has done to earn a town read, what am I missing?

[Beck]

P.edit, i guess with the unvote by juls, 1 wagon isn't deadlocked anymore

[Beck]

Phoebus votes pan, and quickly 2 people hop on

Vp decides Phoebus is following charter and votes him

I think you missed some stuff.

You keep saying you want to hear from charter...what exactly are you wanting to hear from him? Why do you still have an RVS vote out? At what point are you going to seriously vote, or are you scared to vote me now that I've called you on your bullshit?

Want to hear his reaction to juls's post
Want to know why he flip-flopped his view on you so quickly

Also learn to read cause my serious vote has been cast already

[Beck]

I also wanted him to respond to your statement that he always calls you scum but I guess a no response on that is probably a response. if it was BS, he would have said so already

[Beck]

Can you link me to a game(s) you have played with him?

[Beck]

When I get to a pc, I'll check it out.

[Beck]

You dirty rat...

Always wanted to say that.

[Beck]

Beck, are you scum?

No, are you?

[Beck]

I have found that on other sites. The one that is "joking" the most is usually the scum. What site did you play at again?

No, I am not scum.

I'm at a red light, I'll find it later or look at the game where I'm dead, p. Sure I posted it there.

You will definitly see I beat my own drum.

[Beck]

Relax, I only do it at red lights, and it's not very often when I do.

RL > mafia

[Beck]

Null read really, I'm more interested in hiplop's reactions thus far.

He has 2 votes on him and ignores my vote and accuses charter of omgus.

I'm not a big fan of being ignored personally, feels like he is trying to hide something.

But Im used to a place where contentless posting is the norm so :shrug:

[Beck]

For starters 3 people requested info about your comment regarding smilies, specifically which game (s) you looked at

Secondly, why all out of the blue for your first post do you hop on a forming wagon

[Beck]

Somebody asked about my previous experience?

Best I can do - http://www.glbwiki.com/index.php?title= ... afia_Forum

[Beck]

Sorry Beck, I forgot to post this a while back.

@Beck, no specifics, just a simple look at her latest posts. Meta's just a playstyle thing and I only meta when I was to check a specific playstyle.

yes but you said you meta'd her and she used smilies, i'd like a link, she supported my request as did somebody else.

so you can easily link us to the game where she did this, so please oblige or there was no point in bringing it up in the first place.

[Beck]

I know this is a dumb question but I just skimmed Pan's iso in each of those games she linked, she used smilies in each game, even when she was mafia, so my dumb question is to Budja

did you actually count how many times she used a smiley as town as she did as scum?

if so what were the numbers?

if not, than how can you say she used them more as town than as scum?

it may be dumb, but this is a serious question.

[Beck]

I guess I misunderstood you.

[Beck]

What happened to hiplop, he goes from accusing charter of OMGUS, than posts 2 fluff posts, than nothing?

[Beck]

I'm married, i have no social life

[Beck]

Hiplop, can you explain what exactly your issue with charter calling somebody out for posting fluff?

Do you feel people who post useless filler are usually town, scum, or null?

[Beck]

Why answer half my post but not all?

[Beck]

Hiplop, can you explain what exactly your issue with charter calling somebody out for posting fluff?

Do you feel people who post useless filler are usually town, scum, or null?

Wow. That question trumps everything I have seen so far. That's...just....wow. Tell me how this is scum hunting and not just asking a softball question? What do you think you will learn here?

vote: beck

I will pick up activity over the weekend. My head is a little foggy this week.

he has an issue with charter attacking somebody for fluff posting, but that is because he is posting fluff.

It was not a softball question, if it was than why did he completely IGNORE the part I asked him about charter?

@ hiplop - you did not explain what your issue is with charter's attacking somebody for posting fluff.

just because YOU think posting fluff is null (of course you will say that since you yourself are posting fluff) it doesn't mean that others feel that way. I personally think posting fluff is an attempt to avoid scum hunting, clearly my opinion is different than yours, but it's one of the reasons why I am voting you. Posting fluff =/= scum hunting and therefor hot helping town. That is why I was fine with charter's vote and reason for his vote on Pan, it seemed like he was trying to force her to participate.

[Beck]

Hiplop, can you explain what exactly your issue with charter calling somebody out for posting fluff?

Do you feel people who post useless filler are usually town, scum, or null?

Wow. That question trumps everything I have seen so far. That's...just....wow. Tell me how this is scum hunting and not just asking a softball question? What do you think you will learn here?

vote: beck

I will pick up activity over the weekend. My head is a little foggy this week.

Btw, reading your iso, you aren't even attempting to scumhunt at all. You RVS vote VP, than sheep him and declare him town, than you buddy him some by +1 him, Than when charter calls VP somebody's scum buddy you vote charter, followed by 4 useless posts, your own soft ball question, than you call me out for my question (which hiplop ignored the first part if, a question that gets half answered =/= a softball question, it's more he can't think of a good lie right now)

Seriously you need to be less obvious when buddying VP

Im inclined to beleive that you may be correct about VP being town, cause I'm getting the feeling you could be scum.

So hiplop/juls scum team? Sounds good to me.

[Beck]

Since my impression if you has now gone from leaning scum to null, I'll re-read pappuns today to see if I get the same vibe. But I'm feeling good about hiplop ATM.

[Beck]

I asked that cause he is posting fluff, so his opinion of it matters. If he had said scummy, id call him on it.

People think filler posting is not scum hunting, I'm one of those people. Hiplop is posting filler and attacking charter who voted somebody for posting filler

Fact: posting filler is not scum hunting.

I'm fine with you voting me, I have a tendency to ask smaller questions to build up my case, could be because my dad was a cop and I learned from the way he interrogated me as a child. It's an attempt to see if he will contradict himself or slip on such a menial question

Btw, asking if somebody is scum is a worse attempt at "pretending to scum hunt" so let's not throw stones when you are sitting in a glass house yourself

And sorry, your RL drama needs to stat outside of the game, it's irrelevant and un-confirmable and could be a ploy to appeal to our emotions.

Sorry to be a dick, I'll take you out for coffee once the game is over.

[Beck]

she thinks that by using the "you dirty rat" line from a movie and directing it at pappums rat, is something only scum would do.

[Beck]

sadly my games are ongoing and nobody knows me from the other site I play, I believe I have explained it elsewhere but like I said it is in an ongoing game.

I play mafia on a website that is mainly a football mmorpg, it is usually the same 20 to 30 people playing with each other, it isn't like here where there are literally hundreds of players.

We take a more casual approach to things and we joke alot because we all know each other, I know others have come here and played, maybe if I have time I can find examples of them in their games to show you what I am talking about, i'm sure i can't be the only one from that site to play here and not demonstrate the same kind of play style.

[Beck]

Is epicmafia the site you used to get your theory about humor? Please say no

[Beck]

The only issue I have with pappums is I think his case is weak, it's certainly not lynch worthy yet. Unless I missed something on my iPhone. I don't see why lynching an active poster who seems to be scum hunting is going to help

Hiplop and juls aren't scum hunting
And Budja is just vote hopping

[Beck]

Is epicmafia the site you used to get your theory about humor? Please say no

Please don't discount me like that. I have played maybe a grand total of 20 games on epic mafia when I was bored and wanted a quickie. 9 games out of 10 I leave frustrated by the trolls. I know you don't know me but I think others in this game can tell you that I am not a terrible player and I am not like anyone at epicmafia. Your attempt to invalidate my claims like some prostitute who got raped is noted. "Juls couldn't be right about anything, she played at epicmafia".

I just asked if that was the "other site" you were referring to when you correlated humor with scum, if so than that is invalid reference cause EM is garbage mafia. I played EM before and claim granny and other things when there is no granny. And I'm town when I do it.

[Beck]

I'm not even sure what snarky means but if it means I get annoyed when people don't respond to my request, yes I'm snarky.

You said charter committed a scumtell in your opinion, however I don't really see you explain what that was. Which is why I asked you to explain your suspicion.

All I see is you are voting him for his reasons and vote on Pan.

While I disagree with all if charter's reasons for his vote, I don't see how he committed a scum tell.

You also say you made a compromise, can you explain what that was and why you felt you had to make a compromise (or if I mis-interpreted your comment, explain what you meant by it)

Lastly, just because a person votes you back , doesn't make it omgus. His post on why he voted to you seemed valid enough negating the omgus.

I personally think you went after charter because he went after a person who kept posting fluff(based off charter's reasons), which is oddly what the last couple of your posts have been.

[Beck]

Im more of a end/mid-game guy tbh

is that how long i have to wait til you finally respond to anything asked you to explain?

You know if I didn't know any better I honestly think you are avoiding my questions.

[Beck]

what questions?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p3218258

I'm not even sure what snarky means but if it means I get annoyed when people don't respond to my request, yes I'm snarky.

You said charter committed a scumtell in your opinion, however I don't really see you explain what that was. Which is why I asked you to explain your suspicion.

this means I would like you to explain your suspicion better

All I see is you are voting him for his reasons and vote on Pan.

While I disagree with all if charter's reasons for his vote, I don't see how he committed a scum tell.

You also say you made a compromise, can you explain what that was and why you felt you had to make a compromise (or if I mis-interpreted your comment, explain what you meant by it)

please explain this

Lastly, just because a person votes you back , doesn't make it omgus. His post on why he voted to you seemed valid enough negating the omgus.

I personally think you went after charter because he went after a person who kept posting fluff(based off charter's reasons), which is oddly what the last couple of your posts have been.

[Beck]

what questions?

i may stand alone on this one but ignoring questions again and again is a scum tell to me, you have posted over 40 times since you asked this question elsewhere on site, I don't care if you are in a marathon game or not, if you can't dedicate the time to play in

this

game replace out please.

[Beck]

With 3 votes on hip, you decide I'm the one hyperventilating?

Based on your reads, what exactly do you think I am I frustrated about and why do you think it's disingenuous?

Tbh I haven't even mentioned Juls much, except when she called me out for my humor, so throwing her name in there is a head scratcher?

And why do you wait til hip is at l-2 to bring this up?

[Beck]

Im frustrated cause I'm being ignored and his lack of content. Plus I am more of a noob than he is so I'm not excusing his noob ness especially if he already commented on why he doesn't post much, he says it's more his play style and he is better mid/late game. Personally I think that's just a convient excuse to skate by

But if my frustration is disingenuous, what about yours?

Budja - what do you think of charter and pappums defense to the case I made?

I feel like only half the people here are actually playing this game. It's frustrating my reads.

You can be frustrated for lack of participation but somebody else is and they aren't being genuine?

Sounds like a double standard bro.

[Beck]

Well he has 3 votes so that's 3 people who all agree something is wrong with him, being too aggressive is your only reason, I'm fine with being accused of too aggressive. If anything I feel like I'm not aggressive enough but when my biggest suspect barely posts anything, yelling at him over and over again isn't going to help my cause.

I'm pretty sure he is scum so if I get voted for my play, so be it.

[Beck]

It's awfully convenient you speak up at him being closer to a lynch. Once I directed my focus to hiplop, you stopped pushing me to vote you, now hip is at L-2 you start suspecting me.

I don't know how anyone can prove they are being genuine, but I assure you my suspicion on him is completely genuine.

[Beck]

so I am asking questions that are not "tough" to you, however I am one of the few actually asking questions.

sorry I don't just sit back and wait for others to do the work for me, I followed up my "softball" question with a better explanation and hip still avoided answering it until I had to push him to do so.

so i'm scummy for asking question, just not tough ones? meh i can live with that cause at least I am doing something.

[Beck]

You really are snarky.
When you have "softball" questions, that looks like fabricated questions. In plain english, it makes you look like scum who is trying to look like you are scumhunting.

or I am asking genuine questions that you interpret as softball questions but I don't

again, it's interesting that hip gets to L-2 and people start coming to his defense, when he can't even do anything for himself.


What is worse, somebody who is here asking questions or somebody sitting in the backround not asking any?

I don't know any other way to scumhunt without asking questions, I do it in every single game I play so i'm not changing now cause you think it is scummy. I personally don't think it is.

And earlier you were focused on charter and the fact that he called half the players scum and voted him so clearly you think it is scummy and his reposne to your post was calling you delusional and you let him off the hook?

I think you are just trying to find whatever you can and hope it sticks.

[Beck]

part 2 is referring to anyone who currently is sitting in the background not doing anything useful, yourself included.

and if that is all it takes to get out of scum hunting, I will remember that if I am ever scum, I will claim my heart isn't into it and I will try and do more later in the game and hope it flies.

if your heart isn't into it, replace out because if you are town you are doing a dis-service to the rest of us.

[Beck]

as am I

[Beck]

reading the iso of hiplop again, interesting point.

he calls charter out for not being "sincere"

VP calls me out for not being "genuine"

besides the obvious similarities but different wordings, how can one prove sincerity or genuineity? (ok I know that isn't really a word)

he votes charter for being nit-picky and he doesn't remember charter playing like this

later he says that charter is attacking pancacea for being a noob

when pappums calls hiplop out on it, hiplop responds that he was cloaking it as something else but it is ultimately newbness.

so charter changes his reasons completely and he has somehow become a mind reader?

than of course charter posts something and hiplop just brushes it off.

call me snarky all you want, hiplop's play doesn't make sense to me, and the fact that now he has changed his reason for why he is voting charter just adds more suspicion.

and clearly, he agrees with the points that VP and Juls makes because they are trying to take the attention off of him for some reason.

Juls buddies VP first and now tries to defend hiplop

keeping my eye on her, but I am standing strong on my vote for hiplop.

VP, as much as I diasgree with most of his case, at least is making the attempt.

[Beck]

yes I am guilty of spam, but that is how I play every game so it's invalid reason to be voting me, I will always lead the post count, I pride myself on that actually.

do you really think somebody who ignores questions is town? do you feel that letting somebody slide by without answering your questions is acceptable?
There is something wrong with not wanting to take my attention off hiplop and focus on Juls? Hiplop is at L-2, so of course I want to keep the focus on him. That is why Juls and VP came in and tried to take attention OFF of hiplop, I'm making sure people focus on him.
Yes I never said much about Juls cause she wasn't really on my radar that much, besides her lack of content and her crazy assumptions that humor is a scumtell, I just felt those were not much to build a case on and didn't really suspect her when she tried a little harder to distract from hiplop, once Hiplop hit L-2

and we are forgetting that Hiplop has completely changed his story as to why he is voting charter in the first place, I mean he can't even keep his reasons straight.

So hiplop is posting fluff - not really a scum tell
hiplop isn't doing ANY scum hunting - absolutely a scum tell
hiplop has completely changed his reason for his vote on charter - absolutely a scum tell
hiplop doesn't even feel he needs to defend himself - in my experience, this is usually a scum tell

[Beck]

Pan, you call me out for focusing on 1 player, however you haven focused on any player really

Before your V/la you were just defending yourself.

Also p. Sure I focuses on VP first, than tried to get Budja to explain his post regarding you smilies (which you 2nd my request)

So if you're going to make a case against me, let's be completely honest about my actions.


@juls - here is a softball for you, is being a hypocrite scummy?

[Beck]

juls are you dense?

I was responding to the points that were made against me as to why i am scum, if anything it proves that pan's case on me is completly crap logic, but you have realized that cause you are voting her.

for future reference Juls, if a person is defending themselves, you can't use that post as an example of OMG LOOK HE ISN'T SCUM HUNTINIG because they aren't, they are defending themselves.

[Beck]

Beck - My #1 scum read, hes hypocritical,an exaggerator, not scumhunting, hes snarky and just overall scummy. I'm sure hes scum.

That's how I play in every game, I'm dead and flipped town in 2 already, if anything I'm working on toning down my snakiness.

It's odd that your top 2 scum choices are people voting you and your top 2 town reads are people defending you and than your read on Pan is sort of in the middle.

You don't even explain why what charter does is scummy, and as already pointed out your reason for voting him has already changed so i guess that's where im confused

Did your reason change from "attacking someone for lack if content and grasping at straws" to "he is attacking a noob" because attacking a noob could be conceived as a scummier act?

Pan has been on site since 2009, and according to her sig, has completed 5 games on site (possibly more if it's not updated)

She isn't a noob and she can defend herself. The fact you feel the need to make excuses for her play is also disturbing to me.

[Beck]

let me do my own run down

VP - early on I felt like there was something between him and charter, I still feel like that connection exsists, it was odd when charter asked Pan if they were buddies, VP immediatly took his vote off charter. I questioned it about him but never got an answer I liked, I still think something is going on with charter and him, i'm torn cause I am null/leaning scum on VP but leaning town on charter.

Juls - absolute nothing worthwhile early on, never a big fan of people who just declare people town. This always leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and she did it to VP who was leaning scum at the time, bugged me even more. She even admits that VP is her buddy, again very off behavior. She votes charter for a post he makes where he lists 3 scum suspects, one of which is....hiplop.

Beck - I'll save you the obviously biased commentary

pappums - his first vote pushes a wagon to L-2, than provides some info about another game that nobody really asked for, nor do i think they cared to waste their time reading (I know I didn't) He is the first one to call hiplop out for his vote change to charter, indicating that charter made valid points, not scummy ones. he later debates with VP about who gets credit for the Pan wagon and spends the rest of the time going back and forth with VP

hiplop - after his RVS vote, he attacks charter for "Nitpicking way too much for page 3. From what i remember; he never played like this, grasping for too many straws, too quickly." but as we know later he changes that reason to "Hes just not being sincerere, hes targetting someone full on for no real reason besides newbility. Just grasping for straws" the only thing that stays the same is the part about grasping at straws, so him being nitpicky has become attacking a newb. He agrees that pan was posting fluff but goes on and just posts a bunch of 1-liners. somewhere in the middle he says his vote was a "serious" rvs vote, which seems sort of contradictory to me, RVS is random, a serious random vote off something specific seems like utter horseshit. He ignores my questions and when I get mad at him, he calls me snarky. i could go on and on but ive said enough about him.

Phoebus - despite getting to L-2 has been relatively quiet, first 3 posts were a vote and +1s, asks a question to Pan, that I am suprised Juls didn't consider a "softball" The question didn't really teach us anything about pan so it was a useless question. next post he responds to pan's post about it being a rebuttal and basically says it wasn't really a rebuttal than angrees with something I said but said it could have been worded differently. Than I feel like he turns the fire up on Pan some what and pushes at her a little harder, than he goes inactive and comes back with a summary post but is still die hard set on lynching pan. - leaning null but only due to the lack of content, i felt he was heating up and than poof.

Budja - to me doesn't seem to be scum hunting at all and most of his votes are follwoing somebody elses reasons. First jumps in and hops on the Phoebus wagon, later votes Juls and cites charter's comments, than again later votes pappum and agrees with Balter's case. - leaning scum on budja

Pan - lack of any real content early on, gets into a debate over if her words are a rebuttal or her freaking out, personally I read them as a rebuttal, spends time linking previous games showing that her smilies are common to finally put an end to the smiley discussion. Than she gets busy and finally comes back with a play by play breakdown of my posts and votes me. my issue is despite voting me, she is a null read to me, I think he reasons aren't very well thought out and tbh I really had trouble making it through her entire wall, but I blame my ADD on that one, I basically got bored. If she wants to bullet some questions towards me or some things she interepreted as scummy, i'll be glad to respond better.

Charter - i sort of disagree with his earlier vote on pan, I don't think lack of content very early on is much of an issue as it is as the game progresses, he also declares VP town which still bothers me the same as mentioned earlier. He voted Hiplop cause he realzied that hiplop's reason was crap, I didn't read it as an omgus vote at all. he is also asking questions to others and responding when asked, I have a town read on him but i feel him and balter are somehow linked which makes my read on him kind of tough for me to swallow

[Beck]

lol beck, i was after charter much before he was after me. not omgus idiot

your reasons for your vote on charter has changed during the course of the game and the first and second reasons you have given, isnt enough of a reason to lynch somebody.

charter's vote on you actually had a more valid reason than yours was for him, but you write it off as OMGUS. When somebody has a reason and can explain that reason and support that reason, it typically isn't OMGUS

[Beck]

I just realized hiplop, how can you accuse me of exxagerating when you yourself say you like to exagerate? seems kind of hypocirtical to me don't you think?

[Beck]

I just meant that she wasn't on my radar as much as Hip, it's pretty obvious I am focused on him. I have taken mental notes about Juls and even though I feel she is hip's scum buddy, hip has been far more suspicious.

she wasn't completely off my radar, just not as high as hiplop.

[Beck]

while I am waiting for others to finally realize hip is scum, I want to go over some of the points that Juls is using against me.

1. I am asking softball questions

a. she isn't really asking any questions
b. when she does they are essentially softball questions of her own.
(1.a - the obvious stupid question of "are you scum", 1.b - asked charter "is my vote troublesome for you") after that I get attacked for my softball questions. How are these questions helping catch scum?

2. she says my humor is a scumtell based on her experience, but later follows up with her own humor -

so she is a hypocrite, regardless of her reasoning, if she s going to try and make humor a tell for somebody, than she shouldn't be doing it herself

3. her ONLY reason she gives for voting me in post 151 - is because I ask "Do you feel people who post useless filler are usually town, scum, or null?" "

(first, that wasn't the only question I asked him, second he is voting somebody because that person is attacking somebody who is posting useless filler, I was trying to see if I could catch him in a contradiction. This is also the post where she claims to have some drama going on (making an excuse for her lack of scum hunting imo)

4. She later accuses me of becoming aggressive because she tries to use my making a "you dirty rat" joke as a possible scumtell.

Obviously she is grasping at straws

now let's break down her comments about me in her "spoiler"

119 by Beck comes off as trying to be "tough cop" but it feels fabricated.

this is where I question budja about his comment about smilies, that 2 other people also wanted to know, turns out the whole thing was moot when it turns out that I interpreted the comment wrong. I thought he said she was town when she used it more, which is why I asked if he counted how many she used. It was obvious I was mistaken, also how is this any different than me later pushing hiplop for ignoring me. When I feel like I am being ignored, I stand up and vocalize it. I hate being ignored.

she doesn't reference a post number but -

Beck is really pushing this smilies meta thing. I think it is at best poor scum hunting and at worst fabricated.

again it all came from a mis-read I made originally as explained

her page 6 summary - she writes -

-I stand by my post 143. This is beyond ridiculous scumhunting and Beck is doing this all around.

this is the softball part, which I have addressed

-I love the way Beck piggy-backs charter's "scum team" in 149. This is just an observation from the mini normal queue. If Beck was going to buddy anyone it would have been charter since they are both redskins fans and he has mentioned it already in game.

ok WOW this is crazy, I think what I said in the que is I wouldn't vote him day 1 and it was a joke, REALLY REACHING with this one. Plus isn't there a rule against forming alliances or using outside influences or something, idk but I would never something so stupid.

-I have no read on hiplop thus far but 172 hits the nail on the head with Beck. He is being snarky and I have done it myself as scum. -

how is this scum hunting? do they even know the meaning of the word snarky,

-183 from Beck reads as scum with the "I may stand alone with this" comment

so a statement where I say that ignoring questions is scummy to me, makes me scummy how? I say I may stand alone because I don't know anyone elses opinion on the matter and the fact that nobody else is really pushing the fact that he was ignoring questions made me feel, alone with that one.


than I just want to add post 220 into discussion, she takes me defending myself from pan's post about me as not scum hunting, of course I am not scum hunting when I am defending myself.

it's sort of the pot calling the kettle black actually because she is the one not doing any scum hunting and making up fabricated scum tells and using something from the Que.

this is throwing a bunch of crap and hope they stick against me, but none of these are valid attempts at scum hunting, but what it is an an attack on me for coming after hiplop (in my opinion)

I am fairly confident that these 2 are scum together, the only small doubt in my mind is why would scum defend each other, why would Juls be defending hiplop so hard?

[Beck]

I have proven my question wasn't s softball question, yet you keep saying it is, so we will agree to disagree I gurs
You have defended hiplop by coming to his rescue when he gets to L-2, right after that you decide it's time to pretend to scum hunt with fluff tells (made up scum tells)
I have nothing personal against you, I honestly feel your making up stuff and hoping it sticks when you are guilty of just about everything you are accusing me of.
The blue text was to separate your words with mine so they didn't blend in, but hey that's probably a scum tell to right?

You are giving the illusion of scum hunting.
You even change your vote to pans but aren't really doing much to make it look like your vote is sincere. Where are your "tough" questions to her? You haven't really asked any. Why vote for someone without following up with questions to help you gain information to prove she is the right lynch?

It's this "pretend" scum hunting you are accusing me of that you are guilty of.

Side note in response to your comment about VP - I'm not heartless, like my sig says, I'm a nice guy. I just take mafia serious and when I find scum, I go hard. Irl, I'm the most caring guy, people call me a softie. I'm the kind of person who would pm a friend to see how they are doing.

[Beck]

the problem, besides being a completely weak excuse, you have done nothing to come up with something better. You have just parked on charter and stayed there and have refused to scum hunt.

don't forget the fact that you admit to liking to exaggerate, yet you say my exaggerating is one of the reasons why I am scummy.

so you park your vote and hope to slide by day one without scum hunting.


I don't care that it is charter, I wish it was actually somebody else, the facts are there, you are doing nothing to help find/catch scum.

I don't get why more people don't see this

[Beck]

I don't mis-rep anyone, it's right there in black and white.

you can try and backpedal all you want though.

[Beck]

lol, so all of a sudden dis-proving is mis-repping?

[Beck]

^

focusing on people who target me - how exactly?

hiplop wasn't targeting me.

Not sold by the intial case? why exactly? what is wrong with any of my reasons for voting him?

dislike my over-reactive defence-attacks? what you interpreted as a defense attack, is me actually trying to catch scum. i'm an in your face player, I try and rattle people to make them slip.

[Beck]

I'm going to do a full re-read to see if im blowing things out if proportion or if I still feel strongly about my reads. My limited support of a hip wagon means either I see something others dont, or I'm completely off base.

[Beck]

At juls, it wasn't a defense per-se but when I focus on hip early on and vote me for asking a "softball" question

This is how "I interpret it"

My question, as explained was trying to guage his opinions to see if he slipped, I planned on asking follow up questions. The fact he ignored it, makes it even less a snowball question. Regardless you vote me as soon as I ask him questions

Fast forward

Pappums puts hip at L-2, balter retaliates and votes me. You, follow it up with a huge wall where I'm your number 1 suspect.

This is where I interpret that actually you and balter are coming to hiplop's defense

My opinion and from my point of view (damn you for making me say those words, I hate saying them) it looked to me that you and VP were defending hip

Now you can deny it, but it certainly isn't a mis-rep

If it is a mis-rep than anything you say that I disagree with can be called a mis-rep

It's not a mis-rep, you just disagree with my opinion.

People can read themselves and look to see if you were trying to defend him by attacking me or look and see that my opinion is wrong.

[Beck]

That first line should say "you vote me"

[Beck]

I don't feel I'm wrong, I feel you defended him, you can deny it and prove it at end game.

Yes I think you are scum

[Beck]

You haven't "proven" anything.

You can defend with actions, not words

[Beck]

Read the game. I question hip with a serious question, you downplay it as a softball and vote me

After he gets to L-2, you write a wall declaring me your top suspect.

Why does it come right after he is L-2 and VP has said something?

Oh wait, you were on V-la or sonethig right?

Sorry, I may be wrong according to you but your aggression towards me gets stronger as the hip wagon grows and since I started the wagon it's only natural you come after me

You go after charter it looks like you are buddying hip even more, you go after pappums it, well going after pappums probably wouldnt have done anything.

I'm fine if you want to vote me for being right (in my mind). It just proves to me I'm right.

[Beck]

at Pan - I wish it was somebody else so Juls could not have that excuse of what I said in the que, sh eis grasping at straws.

and I had time to think about your words Juls, you are basically bullying me. You are telling me to admit i'm wrong on you will vote me.

Is bullying really necessary? I mean I don't care you vote me, but at least have a valid reason other than I won't do what you say.

You disagree with my opinion? fine than use that but when you give me an ultimatum, That's bullying, plain and simple.

I stand up to bullies.

[Beck]

I think it's funny VP says "stop the walls" Jul basically says, "I remember you posting walls before VP, than VP basically changes his stance.

nothing major just funny

[Beck]

so by refusing to admit I am wrong I am automatically scum? GET REAL LADY

ok let's change the pace here

You say my question was a softball question. I explained that the purpose of my question was to guage what HIS response would be to see if it matched up to what HE was saying in his case.

If he had said that he thought people who posted fluff were scummy, that would have been catching him in a blatant contradiction. But he didn't even answer the question at first, he ignored it.

Why does somebody ignore a question, they are afraid to answer it or they don't feel it is important to answer

your original vote on me was due to me asking that question, my method of scum hunting may be different than yours but at the time I was one of the few who was actually scum hunting, so why did you choose to single me out?

because it was a softball question? because you thought I was "acting like I was scum hunting"?

you were not scum hunting at the time, neither was half of the other players in the game, why come after me when i focus on hiplop? to me it looked like yu were defending him by trying to take the focus off of him and onto me, by turning my question into some sort of scum tell.

and later when he gets to L-3, all of a sudden VP comes out of no-where and takes his attention off his own case to bring attention to me for my case on hiplop, clearly 2 other people agreed with the points I were making yet he attacks the person who started the wagon and than right after you post that i am your biggest scum read.

It just comes at an awfully convienet time when "your buddy" calls me out, you decide to post and declare I am your biggest scum read.

and YES you have been buddying VP all game, so I am convinced either you or he is scum, since you are doing the buddying and he isn't, I feel better that it is you.

you can insult me by comparing me to some crappy player all you want, if you feel "mud slinging" is going to get you farther in the game, have fun with that, I honestly don't see town motivation in mud slinging.

Until Hiplop shows me something that proves to me he isn't scum, he is my focus, I will not let you distract me from my case, I just hope others are paying attention to what you are trying to do.

[Beck]

ebwop - should say "when he gets to L-2" not L-3

[Beck]

I've changed my ways in your absence Juls. I don't mind some walls, but the last few pages have been pretty obnoxious with the noise to signal ratio in said walls. I'm not really interested in doing all of that. People can make good cases and still be succinct.

ahh maybe i mis-understood this post

I thought you were saying that walls were okay now that she said that, re-reading I see that you didn't do that

I apologize, I admit I was wrong there.

[Beck]

Post 82, you call VP "your buddy"

That looks like blatant buddying given I don't know your outside history

[Beck]

You and I disagree with each other, nothing is going to change my mind or yours
So we just move on

[Beck]

I would be okay with your lynch, but I much prefer Hiplop's, his flying under the radar, lack of scum hunting, changing his reasons for his vote, and hypocrisy is more than enough reasons to say he is scum.

[Beck]

hope all is well, sorry for your loss

[Beck]

Budja

She seemed to come at me when I started questioning hiplop, and votes me for asking a soft ball question, she doesn't wait and see the results or ask me why I asked it, just votes me. That just made me keep an eye on her

Once hip got to L-2, she comes harder at me, I just felt it was retaliatory for going after hip because in my mind I did nothing wrong and her reasons for voting me were weak.

Hip had the largest wagon when she came hard at me, And I'm on my phone but I think hip had 2 votes when she voted me, charter started looking at hip also so the attention on pan was fading at that time if I recall correctly.

[Beck]

Yeah where did I lie?

And yeah the bitch fest is annoying even for me, so I'm not going to do the back to back stuff anymore.

Still not caring for the lack of participation by hip, you would think being L-2 would inspire him more.

This weekend I'll do a full read through again.

[Beck]

Cause I honestly missed it on my phone.

[Beck]

Btw, the way I perceive and interpret your actions isn't a lie, it's how I honestly feel.

If you disagree say that, but you can't say I'm lying about it. Lying implies I made it up completely. Which I didn't.

[Beck]

Beck - still scummy for the things I pointed out earlier. I think he does sound somewhat townish in some of his spat with you though. Which is why I hate those back and forths. It becomes nigh impossible to tell who is frustrated town and who is scum just trying to push buttons. I don't appreciate you fueling that kind of thing.

Can you point out these earlier reasons?

The one I saw when you voted is eerily similar to why you now think I could be frustrated town, I want to make sure I didn't miss something

To me it just seems like you aren't really sure on anyone right now

I'm glad hip is stepping up his activity with quality posts....

[Beck]

^ the quote and question was to VP

[Beck]

it looked like you are sure on 1 person for a reason I'll have to re-read and see if he is actually following you, the rest you have as null or leaning scummy

That's basically what you said right

[Beck]

No, it looks like

Budja - scummy

Me, pappums - leaning scummy

Everyone else is town or null

[Beck]

ok luckily looking over Budja's ISO was easy cause of how short it is .....

His first vote, he puts Phoebus at L-2 following VP and Juls
he later unvotes after a vote count shows he is the only one still voting for phoebus
he votes for Juls cause he feels similar to what charter had said
votes for pappums because VP's case was good
he later says he doesn't like my play but that is after a vote count shows I have 2 votes and VP is voting me
than his last post he acts like hip hasn't been at L-2 for 4 days now when he asks about the pressure with hip.

so I can actually see where VP gets that Budja is following him, or people in general, majority of his posts seem to be more copying others reads or follwing what the vote count is dictating.

p.edit

i'm beginning to doubt my case on hip, his recent posts have been full of content and useful information.... (in case it wasn't already impled this is sarcasm)

This is why I am not changing my vote off of him just yet, he isn't doing anything usefull.

[Beck]

im unmeta-able, and its not even on purpose, i just really don't play all that different as scum/town. Depends on my mood more than alignment.

Links to town/scum games please?

I'll glance them over for fun

[Beck]

I'd like Budja to explain why he sheeps VP and Charter on 2 of his votes

[Beck]

click my wiki, dont be lazy

Didn't realize you had one, apologies

[Beck]

Actually where I played before my mafia meta was obvious, partly why I came here lol

[Beck]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Charter. Nitpicking way too much for page 3. From what i remember; he never played like this, grasping for too many straws, too quickly.

Mountains out of molehills

[Beck]

Don't post during that movie dudette

[Beck]

Oh yeah. Bring a flip cam and film it (jk)

[Beck]

budja, I suggest you check the vote counts again\

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... er_sort=Go

hiplop was L-2 in 3 of them

[Beck]

and for the record, look at your votes, it's quite obvious you sheep him

[Beck]

Budja, how is it that you were oblivious to the fact hip was at l-2 for at least 4 days and 100 or so posts, especially when one of your posts came right after a vote count?

Why are you trying to downplay that Hip was under serious suspicion since he had 3 votes on him and it seemed that the more votes he got, the harder Juls came at me

And you need to explain better, why you seem to be sheeping everyone, if you agree with others points at least put them in your own words, sheeping is scummy.

I mean your vote on me is probably your most original thought, except it's lacking substance. What theory am I picking and how am I twisting your words around?

[Beck]

Yes, I was lazy with the votecounts and ISOed Zach. But its still conspiracy theory as best to connect the hiplop wagon with the fight between you and Juls. Beck is kinda right charter, but the way he dances around me unsettles me. Why not just a straight up vote?

@VP, 1. why as in why aren't I playing well or what makes me think that I am not playing well. The second is self-evident, the first comes down to crappy analytical skills and complete incompatibility between my brain and this thread. But what did you expect from me here apart from excuses anyway? 2. If you count Phoebus then fine, you are right. 3. My read on Panacea has always been town, Juls is also fairly town now. I think I judge strongly on attitude and both of them have a town attitude.

Im not voting you cause my vote is on who someone I think is scum already, Hip has done nothing to change my read on him so it stays on him.

Changing to you would be a good compromise lynch but I'm not a fan of compromises.

[Beck]

Phoebus, why don't you like a hip wagon?

[Beck]

we are on page 15 and phoebus and budja have posted 14 posts, that is less than 1 post per page, which oddly enough is also the number of days this game is been going on.

I'm not asking these guys to post nearly my numbers, I know I talk too much, but a little more from Phoebus and budja would be nice, technically phoesbus has only 13 posts, cause posting "ffs" doesn't technically count.

[Beck]

welcome back

[Beck]

I still don't see how hip has done anything to make himself looking better, and I am not sure if the unvote was sincere or just to get me off your back, i'm holding firm.

I feel very positive with a hip lynch

I don't know what else I can do, clearly trying to force feed it didn't work so i'll just leave it out there. If anyone can explain why hip isn't a good lynch option, i'm all for it but quite frankly I haven't seen anything.

[Beck]

Who isn't trying?

Really? Really...!

this is really funny coming from you Phoebus


Phoebus, you do realize that you have now 15 posts and probably only 4 with ACTUAL content and the rest is essentially worthless?


i'm just sayin....

[Beck]

alternatively, if the hip wagon fails to get going soon, I will gladly support a Budja wagon, sheeping and following others is avoiding to make reads of his own, it definitly looks like he was following Balter around.

[Beck]

lol thanks for the vote count, I had no idea the hip wagon fell apart already.

[Beck]

Welcome

[Beck]

Given Pan's play before the jump on budja is bad, but budja's play has been equally bad

I think out of the 2, budja is an acceptable lynch IMO.

He has done nothing but sheep and regurgitate others opinions

Plus it honestly seems like he read all 15 pages and is making an effort which is more than I can say for budja.

[Beck]

Basic math = putting in effort?

Psyche, why do you label Beck as genuine?

Why does hiplop "seem ok"?

It's more effort than hip has done all game

[Beck]

psyche why do you seem to back off when people question your vote?

[Beck]

The problem psyche, the vote was good, the reasoning was weak and when questioned about it, you back off and say the vote was bad.

Now it looks like you change up and call me town and than vote hiplop.

Now the wagon has fallen apart, it just seems and odd choice.

Having just finished a game where I was grilling IS and he just ignored me, and later flipped town. It has taught me that not answering questions is something I'm gonna have to get used to, since nobody ever seems to care (that game and this game)

vote: psyche

You seem to be carrying on what pan seemed to do, which is just sort of gravitate to whatever is the popular vote, until you backed off and voted hop.

It's very odd behavior IMO

[Beck]

Learning to tolerate being ignored means one of the reasons I am voting hip, was because of that very thing, so it isn't really a scum tell

Is you calling me town supposed to mean I'm not allowed to vote you?

Your vote on Budja, was right because he is scummy, your reason for it and the reason toy backed off was odd.

It seemed like you joined the largest wagon, got questioned for it, and jumped off.

Also, a "provisional" vote that puts somebody at L-1 without even saying they are at L-1 is dangerous.

Accidental hammer or whatever.

[Beck]

The change up was referring to changing your vote. Not in calling me town when you previously didn't. Sorry I was un-clear about that one.

Not sure what you have an issue with the first part, I just completed a game where my questions were ignored, it made me mad and I became so tunnel visioned. That person was town. So ignoring questions isn't a scum tell but that's what I felt made me push harder on hip. Clearly nobody else felt my reasons were valid much like that game. I realized I need to back off and re-read, which I did. I'm still not liking hip's play but felt your putting budja l-1 and backing off was odd. Is odd scummy? Can be so I decide to pressure you a bit for it to see where it goes.

Budja is scummy cause It's clear he is sheeping his reads based on others, following Balter around at least twice and I believe he followed somebody else (can't find it now on my phone)

[Beck]

Right. When I flip Town you'll automatically know budja is totally...what?

So even though I can completely explain my "scumtastic" posts in consistent townie terms, and no one has made any attempt to discount said explanation, I'm still a great lynch candidate for the day. Great. So I'll just sit here and wait for the noose? >:(

my posts 415 and 418 explained why I didn't buy your "townie termed explanations"

[Beck]

Right. When I flip Town you'll automatically know budja is totally...what?

So even though I can completely explain my "scumtastic" posts in consistent townie terms, and no one has made any attempt to discount said explanation, I'm still a great lynch candidate for the day. Great. So I'll just sit here and wait for the noose? >:(

my posts 415 and 418 explained why I didn't buy your "townie termed explanations"

All you did was summarize what I did and call it odd.

and odd to me, means doesn't make sense, possibly scummy but not sure

the fact that the person before you was equally wishy washy and that you put your "tentative" vote on somebody to put them to L-1 and than backed off when people question you about it, seems like you are afraid of being called out or rocking the boat so you took it back

at least that is how I interpret it anyway

[Beck]

I already said I would be fine with a Budja lynch, i'm just trying to get an answer out of psyche that actually makes sense to me, hip declares psych is town, but doesn't explain why this is so. I don't see it personally.

I mean asking what the scum motivation for what he is doing is all he asked

let me play wifom

if scum makes an unpopular vote and gets called out on it, that freaks them out cause they want to stay off the radar so they would possibly back-pedal or change their vote to appease the rest of the town.

If a townie was called out for their vote, I feel they would be more likely to try and defend the reason for their vote

so essentially in my mind, backing off like he did, seems like he cares more about people's perception on him than he does about the conviction of his vote.


does that answer your question properly Hiplop?

Hiplop, why don't you try and explain why his motivations seem more like town and not scum, instead of asking people to explain their view

[Beck]

You know what sheeping is right?

[Beck]

Yeah, im having a hard time getting in the game; becks posting style doesnt mesh well with mine and it just makes me angry, i usually play MUCH better than this, which is upsetting

having completed now 2 games on site, you are not the first to make that comment.

hence the quote in my signature also.

i'm working on it.

[Beck]

lol so now hip is under fire again?

Gotta pick my kids up from camp, I endorse a hip lynch also.

[Beck]

Sorry, but I am replacing out.
I don't have the time nor the motivation to play this properly.

is this you giving up? if so than just self vote and we can end the day.

[Beck]

I am not sure why you felt the need to claim VT right now

but +1 to the deadline extension.

[Beck]

whew, weekend was crazy, reading the past few pages now

[Beck]

Mod, can we get a vote count please

[Beck]

I'm not concerned so much about the hammer, but I just adds into the sketchy play budja was guilty of day 1

His sheeping

I'm still liking a hip wagon, nothing has changed my read on him, he surely hasn't done anything to.

[Beck]

vote: bob

He is scum, pretty sure of it

[Beck]

That's an interesting vote charter

[Beck]

Just based on some voting patterns I noticed when re-reading plus yesterday you were voting budja and hip

[Beck]

So cause you sheep me, I'm not allowed to vote you?

[Beck]

Ok I'm going to suggest that there are a couple scum in Phoebus, Beck, and pappums. Juls flipped town, and I am town, so that takes care of the Psyche wagon. No other wagon was really going on at the lynch, so it's tough to look elsewhere. I will go ahead and ISO those three and look at who Juls suspected beyond Psyche.

lol, well I can clear myself too and replace my name with yours

Plus you can't rule out an all town mislynch, I've seen 2 in my short time on this site

[Beck]

lol bob is so fucking obviously scum, its not even funny

Not sure if you are bussing it not but I agree bob is scum

[Beck]

* or not

[Beck]

Was that your plan?

Kill Juls to set me up?

[Beck]

@ charter, iirc, his votes mirrored yours

If you flip town and I'm auto-lynched, it's probably GG and scum win with 3 mislynches but I doubt you will flip town so that's a moot point

You finished posting, how did I know you were going to post conclusions?

[Beck]

a trick I learned from this guy name Ralt on another site I used to play. He used to keep spreadsheets of everyone's voting history and would use them to look for patterns

you voted: Pan, Hip, pan, budja, Hip, Budja

papums voted: pan, hip, budja, psyche,

he was here less and you never joined the psyche wagon but essentially you voted for the same people.

[Beck]

oh sorry didn't mean to confuse you, yeah I was talking you / pappums

and we don't need any quick lynches today so let's see where everyone chimes in.

@ Bob - I will give you that Juls kill does make me look bad, I can't really explain why she died, I have no clue. like I said, it could be you framing me after you tried to buddy me

[Beck]

just sound like you are scrambling to find something to hold on to.

play it out, lynch me and I flip town and you are auto-lynched tomorrow

it's your same scenario turned back on you, except I don't think you will flip town.

I'm not afraid of being lynched, as long as the game ends with a town win, i'd prefer to stay alive since I am fairly certain I have scum narrowed down to you and hip (although depending on what pappums does today it could be him)

[Beck]

I'm giving this a fair treatment.

Balter from his first comment implies he is suspicious of you, charter is suspicious of you, you have 2 votes already.

You claim you haven't read, than go do a "quick" iso and come back with, Juls died, im automatically guilty cause she FOSd me.

There are other scenarios why Juls could have been NK'd. But it's all speculation.

[Beck]

you really want me to provide a list of speculations on why she could have been killed?

what good would it do if I did?

[Beck]

Beck - you're just throwing that statement out there like a politician. I'd like to see some backup. Of course it's all speculation but who speculates what is a good tool for catching scum.

Why Juls could have been killed

1. Juls was killed because I am scum and she was on to me
2. Juls was killed because I was pro-town my most and by killing Juls, they could set me up to look like I did it
3. Juls was killed because one of the other people she voted was worried about her
4. Juls was quieter than most so they thought she could be a power role and they were hunting
5. Juls was one of the people not squabbling and they wanted to keep all of those people alive to continue to squabble
6. Mafia flaked and didn't submit an action and mod randomly chose a kill
7. Mafia thinks Juls is a good player and just wanted her out of the picture early

7 different valid reasons why Juls could have been killed

[Beck]

mod, can we get a prod on Phoebus?

[Beck]

Why would I self vote?

I'm not letting town mislynch me, when we can lynch scum with you

[Beck]

I'll never sacrifice myself, we have had 1 mislynch dnot need a 2nd

Nice attempt at role fishing btw.

[Beck]

Good for you, that's a way to seem pro town

Than vote yourself

And it's not a mis-rep, you want me to comment if I am a PR or not, that's obvious role fishing.

[Beck]

We have 7 alive.

Mislynch plus NK leaves 5

If there is 3 man mafia it's game over.

If there is 2 man it's mylo

[Beck]

What's obvious to you isn't obvious to anyone else

[Beck]

work has me posting less than I want, i'll catch up this weekend

[Beck]

Look at hiplop grasping those straws. I'm literally the worst scum ever if I'm scum for the reasons these dudes are throwing out.

But I'm good at scum so...

sort of like you are with your one theory and refusing to consider any other a possibility when your back is potentially against the wall.....

If this indeeed bussing that you guys are doing, it's horrible strategy

[Beck]

that's a horrible argument.

[Beck]

btw bob, you have 1 game on site where you were scum, it was in 2010, and I just skimmed your play and I don't see anything that implies you are good at being scum.

The fact that you got lynched day 3 sort of proves you were on somebody's radar.

[Beck]

well I went off your wiki, that was the only scum you list.

thanks for dis-proving your own statement and admitting that you CAN be bad scum.

can we lynch him now please?

[Beck]

beck there's such a thing as a generalization. 1 bad scum game out of many good scum games is called the exception to the norm.

the whole point I'm trying to prove is that I'm not a moron at scum. those of you who are on my wagon have to assume I am to be lynching me for the reasons you are.

dumb dumb dumb

Well I can easily same the same thing, I'm not an idiot either

1. Saying your good at being scum doesn't help you in this game

2. Your refusal to believe any other reason for a Juls NK, and the only possibility is I did it because she FOS'd me implies that I'm an idiot, which I just said I'm not.

[Beck]

Sorry about this but I will be V/LA until Saturday or Sunday. Something came up.

in case you missed it charter

I do expect this evening or tomorrow that he makes up for his lost time.

sadly I am disappointed we only got one post out of Phoebus.

[Beck]

lol so now pappums and bob are L-1

Nice counter-wagon btw

[Beck]

Beck, unvote Bob so Phoebus can't fly in and hammer him. Phoebus needs to post, Pappums needs to post. Enough with this lurking crap.

I don't think we need to un-vote, I would think they woudl be smart enough than to paint a target on their back with a hammer without discussion.

[Beck]

Beck, unvote Bob so Phoebus can't fly in and hammer him. Phoebus needs to post, Pappums needs to post. Enough with this lurking crap.

I don't think we need to un-vote, I would think they woudl be smart enough than to paint a target on their back with a hammer without discussion.

Wait, if i'm supposedly scum then hammering me would be good.

bad bad bad

if a person basically ignores an entire day phase and comes in and drops the hammer, that is bad. That means they aren't playing the game.

regardless if you flip scum or town, a hammer with no discussion in the game phase is bad.

you flip scum - it looks like your partner is hammering for town cred

you flip town - it makes them prime suspect number 1 the next day.

I don't think you will flip town though.

[Beck]

Is Phoebus known for a lack of posting like this? It's seriously making this game boring.

[Beck]

VP, you were suspicious of budja day 1, has bob done anything to make you feel better about his slot? If yes, what

[Beck]

Weren't you one of the people questioning bob out of the box?

[Beck]

I dont get that at all from his vote. He attacks Bob's flawed reasonings and poor use of NK analysis.

Bob asked for me to provide reasons why Juls could have been killed, I provided like 7 or 8

He dismisses them all based on occums razor or whaterver, and sticks with his own. He isn't playing with an open mind at all, he realizes he is caught and is trying to get me lynched instead (or was). When that fails he joins his counter wagon.

[Beck]

No I don't

[Beck]

So Phoebus was supposed to be available starting today...

I eagerly await his/her arrival. Somebody needs to bring life to this game.

[Beck]

Not like it will matter much but I will be at the park of Hershey tomorrow all day

[Beck]

Same for anyone who hammers bob

Did pap's even claim yet?

[Beck]

maybe I just don't understand his wagon, it seems like a counter wagon to the bob wagon. let me re-read him this weekend.

[Beck]

Well when you put it that way...

[Beck]

I still want to re-read

If Phoebus hasn't posted before I get back from my trip, I'm turbo lynching him

[Beck]

Not lynch you, lynch Phoebus. Duh

[Beck]

[Beck]

So is it a gambit or real?

I hate gambits

[Beck]

really? I've been going after pappums the whole game, and not even bus-esque.

unless I am mis-reading your ISO, your first indication you were going after pappums was right after bob replaced in (post 523 or something like that. posting from my phone), you were voting Budja and he replaced out and you told Bob to vote for pappums. Bob even mentioned to you that you were voting his slot and you changed your vote

you never even give a reason for why he should vote him other than you don't want a NL at deadline

yours and bob's interactions honestly feel like bussing or distancing of some sort.

I also don't like how you declared psyche town earlier in the game and he flipped town, how was it so obvious to you but not anyone else.

Bob/Hip = scum team extroidaire

let's lynch bob and it's p.much GG

[Beck]

I said, I'll read pappums this weekend. I'm at Hershey park today just checking in from my phone occasionslly.

I'm not changing just cause somebody tells me to.

[Beck]

so I got home from hershey about an hour ago and re-read pappums posts, and I still don't see it, Imean I don't agree with everything he has said but for the most part he seems to make sense.

I am firm on my vote on Bob, and I feel hip stands a good chance to be his partner and I feel this pappums is what i said it was, a counter wagon. If that earns me scum points because I don't agree with you charter, well I guess I will just have to live with that.

The fact that hip is now willing to hammer pappums is more proof in my eyes that he isn't serious about his vote on bob, this is the 2nd time he was pushing for a bob/budja wagon and the 2nd time he has changed his vote (or implied he will change his vote)

[Beck]

no he hasn't so I'm interested to see if he follows through on his hammer or not.

I think hip is in a pickle right now

[Beck]

sorry I was away most of the day yesterday. So umm yeah after reading, I guess mass claim is the best bet.

I'm sort of hoping there is a CC or something, kind of blows my mind one of my scum picks claims cop with guilty in lylo.

[Beck]

Thought we were waiting for bob

Anyways, I am a VT

Bob, now you claim

[Beck]

Did you breadcrumb your role at all?

[Beck]

Question is for both of you

[Beck]

Hmm, kinda of flimsy. We can discuss later.

lets get these claims done with.

[Beck]

ok so now charter

[Beck]

Well this is a tough one for me because I have not liked Hip from the beginning, but thinking about it now after his claim, his play sort of makes sense, when I am a cop or something, I try to be scummy enough to not be NKd but helpful enough to not get lynched. so using that I can see how Hip's play was similar.

As I said earlier I felt that Balter's crumb was very weak, not even a crumb actually and using the whole Who is going to die tonight is kind of wifomish to me. I don't feel that Balter's defense of himself after the claim from Hip has been that great either.

The only thing that is bugging me is the whole cop claiming guilty in mylo, as scum I could see somebody trying that, although it is very risky because what if there was a CC.

I don't know how setups go on this site so I am not even going to touch the setup speculation that Balter was trying to do, trying to out-guess the mod isn't a good idea

so I guess if I had to pick one of the 2, which clearly I have to as those 2 are really the only people up for lynch today, I'd have to believe Hip and his cop claim.

[Beck]

^ agree with that. Bob was the right lynch and it slipped though my fingers

[Beck]

I would probably vote Balter, I already explained why on the previous page.

[Beck]

Yeah thar logic pretty muc plus lack of a hammer confirms Balter as scum. I appreciate the effort from bob though but it's gotta be Balter/bob

Off to work, no rush to hammer, I'd love to hear Balter disprove this logic.

[Beck]

that p.edit is lol

Vote: Balter

[Beck]

Yeah, I don't think there is going to be a speed lynch, but it's basically me or you.

[Beck]

Tbh he was sort of in a pickle anyway, 3 people calling him scum.

[Beck]

oh forgot to say earlier, my condolences for your loss

[Beck]

Well guess technically he isn't confirmed but he did claim cop with guilty and Balter was guilty.

He is either cop or that's a risky bus

[Beck]

mod, FYI I will be v/la starting Saturday for 1 week

[Beck]

And just to clarify, I'll still be able to post at night so I won't be completely away for a week

[Beck]

1 shot cop

[Beck]

that is definitely a possibility but would probably be the riskiest move, besides just a doc as the only PR?

I mean I guess it's possible

[Beck]

vote:bob

[Beck]

VOTE: Bob

Wasn't sure my format was right