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[VP Baltar]

vote: charter

come at me bro.

@Juls - you claiming scum? That would make my life easy if you were so inclined.

[VP Baltar]

Panacea, how many newbie games did you play before deciding to take this plunge into normals?

We have an odd mix of people who seem very new and people who are very old.

[VP Baltar]

edit - oh derp, I guess I could just look at your sig huh. So I'm assuming five completed newbie games, correct?

[VP Baltar]

I take offense to that assumption of my character!

And I meant old join date. SOMEBODY is birthday sensitive.

[VP Baltar]

You've played on other sites, Beck? If so, how many games and etc.

@Panacea - in your past games was there a lot of panicking in the RVS?

[VP Baltar]

unvote, vote: phoebus

Scum right thar.

[VP Baltar]

Nah, charter is always going to call me scum because that's how he rolls (though he should have the guts to tangle with me directly). Phoebus is a dirty scumbag for following such a hairbrained theory though. If you agree with it thought, feel free to vote me and show me you at least believe what you're saying.

[VP Baltar]

It was pretty clear she was referring to me, VP.

Also, you're comparing my play to someone else's in a single other game and saying that's a scumtell, what?

[VP Baltar]

I don't have a read on charter yet really. Him tangling by proxy of Panacea is still a way of tangling, just a wimpy one. I expect better.

re: Phoebus - I don't see how quoting someone and writing "+1" isn't following in your eyes.

[VP Baltar]

I guess I really don't know the difference, thanks for enlightening me. Stand by my point and vote.

[VP Baltar]

I am inclined to disagree with the read on Vp, but im waiting to hear from charter and for Phoebus to actually say something.

You think I'm scum and yet you have an RVS vote out. Cool story.

Scum team = Phoebus and Beck

Who wants to plus one this?

[VP Baltar]

besides if you are going to react without pressure, why not spend this time trying to catch your scum buddy.

I don't understand what this means.

[VP Baltar]

Can anyone tell me how to make the hr tags work?

Code: Select all

 [hr]value less than 100 (I commonly use 90)[/hr]

yields:

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[VP Baltar]

Pappus Rat - how much of the panacea wagon do you think is your doing? What exactly are the suspicions you see about me regarding her?

[VP Baltar]

Phoebus votes pan, and quickly 2 people hop on

Vp decides Phoebus is following charter and votes him

I think you missed some stuff.

You keep saying you want to hear from charter...what exactly are you wanting to hear from him? Why do you still have an RVS vote out? At what point are you going to seriously vote, or are you scared to vote me now that I've called you on your bullshit?

[VP Baltar]

Oh right, hiplop vote. Rescind that part of the post.

[VP Baltar]

The last game I played with charter was an Open game. I can't remember the number either. It's in my (very outdated) wiki I believe. I was scum.

[VP Baltar]

Unvote, vote: pappums rat

You really set off my scumdar when you implied that you were a significant mover on the Panacea wagon, and you just confirmed those suspicions with that last post. Looking at your iso, you've done pretty much nothing to move the Panacea wagon. You joined with a "wagon ho!" post and then you tried to make a point against her because she accidentally wrote VT instead of VP, which was clearly her intention. I think you're trying to make it seem like you're actively scumhunting when you really are not. You've literally made zero points against her as far as I can see, and yet you are claiming credit for the wagon.

Also, I don't think there was anything to indicate that the Phoebus wagon was RVS, so trying to discredit it as such is disingenuous.

[VP Baltar]

I have done a lot of arguing to pressure Panacea

I see you arguing nonsense like VT slips. I don't see anything else that you've done.

have probably brought forth the most reasoning why she is likely scum

no, you haven't. Others have been involved and you've come up afterward to claim credit.

I never even said I was a "significant mover", I said I shared with Phoebus responsibility for her, meaning we have both done a lot to push this wagon.

Does not compute. You say you never claimed to be a significant pusher of the wagon, but you claim equal responsibility with Phoebus as the people who have pushed it the most. I don't even understand how you wrote that sentence with a straight face.

[VP Baltar]

Phoebus - what do you make of the points i bring up about pappums? You think I'm off-base in my description?

[VP Baltar]

pappums rat - you would say the main case you are making against Panacea is that she is not contributing content to the thread even though she's posting, right?

Phoebus, same question.

[VP Baltar]

pappums rat - you would say the main case you are making against Panacea is that she is not contributing content to the thread even though she's posting, right?

I have already made my case against Panacea, you should read through my posts again. But no, that is not the main case I have been making, though it did influence my vote.

Don't give me this 'read my posts' cop-out bullshit. I've read your posts plenty of times. You never actually make a case. The points you make are:

1) Panacea is posting fluff and not contributing (taken from Phoebus)
2) Panacea posted the letters VT, which were actually a typo from VP, but you still believe she was trying to use subliminal messaging or something to fool you into thinking she's a VT
3) Everything else you say about Panacea is saying people like myself and Budja must be her buddies (lol, I don't need no flips) because we don't buy your case.

This is not a case. Furthermore, if #1 is not the main crux of your argument, then please enlighten me as to what is? Am I seriously missing something after looking at your iso no less than five times to give you the benefit of the doubt? Explain this, because all I see is you trying to trump up a case that isn't there so you don't have to scumhunt for real. Hell, it's taken you 15 posts to finally say something that isn't connected to Panacea. I think that speaks volumes.

Happy with my vote.

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I'm not sure how I feel about the Juls-charter situation. On the one hand, Juls does seem like she doesn't really have her footing yet. On the other hand, I haven't cared for Beck's contributions to this game much other than one point he made about hiplop awhile back.

In either case, I think people should be lynching pappums for exaggerating his scumhunting.

[VP Baltar]

If I was picking between you and hiplop, hiplop is the obv scum. He's probably my second suspect behind pappums. I don't see how I baited him into responding the way he did though actually. He made an initial comment about how much he was pushing the Panacea wagon in Post 71. This tripped my trigger and I asked him to expound on it with an open ended question:

Pappus Rat - how much of the panacea wagon do you think is your doing? What exactly are the suspicions you see about me regarding her?

I think Phoebus and I have about equal responsibility for the Panacea wagon.

I'm not sure how that's baiting. It wasn't a leading question in any way whatsoever.

[VP Baltar]

Juls is a good scumhunter for the realz. This 'other site' topic is pretty meh.

[VP Baltar]

Budja - what do you think of charter and pappums defense to the case I made?

I feel like only half the people here are actually playing this game. It's frustrating my reads.

[VP Baltar]

I'm really torn about pappums/charter response to my point. I get where you are coming from on the one hand, but I also don't think my question to pappums was leading in the least and he was definitely trumping up his contribution to that wagon.

unvote

regardless.

2. I've +1'd this before. I did not like the way VP Baltar seemed to be coaching Panacea away from being reactive the way she was, early in the game. I also +1'd the idea that Baltar and Panacea are scum together, because of this.

How was I coaching her exactly? The only questions I asked her early on were my way of assessing her experience with the game. I think your whole 'oh she said this game is less crazy than a Newbie' is pretty silly if you don't take the time to assess her experience level and make an honest judgement based upon that. ie it looks like your swinging at low hanging fruit, imo.

4. I get the feeling that either one of charter/Baltar has successfully diverted attention from Panacea to other targets, which is now resulting in the current general confusion/cross-fire.
I can foresee one of three scum combinations at this time:
--> Panacea + Baltar
--> Panacea + charter
--> Baltar + charter (this one, somewhat unlikely... but could be possible)

If anyone else is scum(my), well I haven't really caught on to much.

This kind of business rubs me the wrong way. Not only do you call scumteams based upon no flips (which is being dumb-town at it's very best, trying to set up mislynches at its worst), but you also go on to ignore everyone else in the game. I'm pretty tired of the limited interactions in this game. I'm glad to see you've posted a full list in that big post, although I do find it kind of vague in regards to everything after the Panacea talk.

Vote:Beck

I think this guy is kind of hyperventilating about hiplop too much. His frustration with both hiplop and Juls reads as disingenuous to me.

[VP Baltar]

I don't think hiplop being at L-anything is related to the point I made. Also, there is no rush to deadline and I'd like to get much better reads on people before we lynch today.

I've been thinking about it for quite awhile, but I've been trying to gauge what type of player you are. I think your reaction to Juls and the 'other site' business was excessively angry. I also think you displayed similar bravado when talking to hiplop about him missing your posts. Yeah, it's annoying when someone misses something, but 1) you have to consider that hiplop may just be sorta anoob here and 2) I doubt it is really that frustrating to you IRL. Your tone comes across as really frustrated over some pretty minor stuff, so that's why I find it disingenuous.

[VP Baltar]

I'm definitely frustrated. What I'm saying is that you're being overly aggressive about your frustration, which I think looks more like 'oh hey, I'm tough guy scumhunter trying to stir things up' than it does 'this game is difficult for me due to lack of participation.' When I've felt people aren't participating, I've asked them questions and tried to earnestly figure out what the issue is. I don't get that sense from you.

In terms of noobness, it's more of a quality than a join date thing. There are people on this site who have been here for years that I would say play like noobs. I can agree with you that hiplop shouldn't be making playstyle excuses for his lack of presence. His lack of presence bothers me too. But I still think you're being over the top considering lots of people are low on the participation scale at this point, including Panacea and Budja.

[VP Baltar]

I don't know why you're making it about hiplop. Me finding your play disingenous =/= hiplop must be town. It's not entirely irrelevant, but to a large degree it is. In case you haven't noticed, I don't like to make connections without flips. D1, I just point out things I see as scummy and pursue them.

[VP Baltar]

ok

[VP Baltar]

Very happy with my vote.

[VP Baltar]

I need to read these walls closely at some point today, but my gut reaction to Panacea was the same as Juls unfortunately. That seems like an awfully trumped up case against Beck. Plus I generally hate PBPA anymore because it's very biased.

Also, hiplop, post or fucking die. No more one liners. No more crappy meta defense. I don't care if this is how you play day 1. Please give your scum reads with a couple sentences on each one so I know where you stand on stuff. Failure to do so will earn my vote.

[VP Baltar]

unvote, vote: Budja

for da realz. Also, you guys need to post less walls. Completely unnecessary and you're making this game a chore to read.

Happy Scumday, charter!

[VP Baltar]

I've changed my ways in your absence Juls. I don't mind some walls, but the last few pages have been pretty obnoxious with the noise to signal ratio in said walls. I'm not really interested in doing all of that. People can make good cases and still be succinct.

[VP Baltar]

I think it's funny VP says "stop the walls" Jul basically says, "I remember you posting walls before VP, than VP basically changes his stance.

nothing major just funny

I changed my stance? Really, where?

In other news, STOP POSTING WALLS. I seriously went to read a different game, came back here to get caught up and you guys added several more wall posts. Bleh. I'll get to this game later.

[VP Baltar]

VP, these posts since you posted to "be succinct" have hardly been walls. It looks like you just don't want to read what they say.

I know, I'm just being snotty because I really not enthralled with this back and forth you and beck are having at the moment. A lot of it seems kind of pointless from what I've read, but I feel obligated to look at it closely just as I would anything else in this game and that doesn't really excite me very much. I'll try to stop complaining.

[VP Baltar]

Ok, after spending a large chunck of my morning rereading this game, I have a few observations:

1) The Juls-Beck fight makes my eyes bleed still and I've lost any tail of reads from it just because it's such a spam fest. You guys need to cool it with the tit-for-tat because it's impossible to tell the difference between genuine frustration and thread spamming to kill town interest in the game at this point. This was a favorite scum technique from Adel back in the day and I'm always suspicious of it when I see it.

2) I actually like Panacea's play after she gets her head on straight. Charter's vote on her is bullshit and sets off huge alarm bells for me. I haven't liked your play for much of this game charter because your de facto argument is 'people not contributin,' which is a very easy thing for a veteran of MS to attack noobs for and still look legit. Yeah, she flips her read on Beck after her giant PBPA. I hated that PBPA post as much as anyone. However, her follow up posts are pretty decent scumhunting and it is obvious she is really trying at that point. I think it's pretty illogical for you first to attack her for not scumhunting and then to follow that up by attacking the scumhunting she does do when starts putting more effort in. It's damned if you do and damned if you don't.

unvote, vote: Budja

Care to elaborate?

Budja has been following me around all game without making any contribution of his own. he clearly got the message of that vote because his following post was original questions. Needless to say, that doesn't exactly quell my suspicions of him. I do think Budja gets kind of a slow start to games when he's town, so I'm certainly not saying I have a strong scum read on him. But my vote would have had very little impact if I had explained that at the time. Either way, I want to see some more out of Budja so I can get a better read of him, and following me around is only going to make me further want to lynch.

3) I think Beck is scum. A townie would be able to admit they are wrong. But Beck-scum is so deep in this argument he can't dig himself out. I think my pressure on him the past several pages have shown how scummy he is. His lying is just icing on the cake.

Wait, where was he lying? Also, failure to admit being wrong isn't really a scumtell so much as a stubborn-tell. I've lynched too many townies over this.

Also, sorry about the loss. Give Moratorium my condolences as well.

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Phoebus - You're like the sideline king here. What do you think of Panacea's change of posting style?

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You see how I threw in those hr's for you.

[VP Baltar]

VP, regarding Panacea, what changed between this:

I need to read these walls closely at some point today, but my gut reaction to Panacea was the same as Juls unfortunately.

and this...

I actually like Panacea's play after she gets her head on straight.

She gets her head on straight after that crappy Beck PBPA. I went back and reread the entire game, and while I didn't like the PBPA I do feel that her posts after that have decent scumhunting in them. I explained this in my post and I don't see how those thoughts are in conflict with each other.

Also, what happened between this:

Very happy with my vote [on Beck.

and this...

failure to admit being wrong isn't really a scumtell so much as a stubborn-tell. I've lynched too many townies over this.

In general, VP you have been the paragon of inconsistency and obscurity. Can you please define your current reads on each person?

Well, your big fight with Beck is one huge clusterfuck for one. I don't think you come out as the clear winrar of that if that's what your assumption is. I think you're both kind of bickering over petty stuff and your ultimatum is useless. I still have my reservations about Beck, but that doesn't make you 100% right, particularly about a 'failure to admit you're wrong' tell. Again, I don't see a problem with my feelings in either of those posts.

Calling me the paragon of inconsistency is pretty much nothing but over the top rhetoric. My reads are always going to shift and change as I try to figure things out. I haven't flipped at all on my reads in terms of going from someone conf. town in my eyes to conf. scum or anything like that which could be taken as inconsistency.

In terms of my reads, I think I've been pretty clear actually. I've voted for people I find to be scummy. What reads do you think I haven't been clear on?

He got caught lying when I called him on saying that I was "defending hiplop". It's ludicrous. And his whole case on me is I am "fake scumhunting" (I guess because he is the target of it) and that I "defended" hiplop. No one in their right mind would think I defended hiplop. No one in this game agrees with him, yet he still keeps pushing that me and hiplop are scumbuddies. He very well may be stubborn town but the fact that he is tunneling me on a weak case and he can't get out of his own argument makes me think he is scum. People keep saying he is scum hunting but all he has done is tunnel me and hiplop with a little VP Baltar on the side. All of which revolve around one completely wrong point that he thinks hiplop is scum and me and VP "defended" him. It's called latching on to a weak argument.

As someone who has also been tunneled and wrongly accused of defending hiplop, I can't honestly say that it's a 'lie.' To me a lie is something that is unequivocally proven to be a fact. I think Beck's point is bullshit because the things aren't related, but if he's town he probably believes what he is saying. That's quite different than someone lying (ie claiming a night action that is later countered by another role or something along those lines)

tl;dr

I feel like you are way over stating things here Juls. Both you and Beck are. That's why all this bickering is going on. You started the game cooly and now you're charging around like a frenzied rhino. What's the deal? You really believe what you're saying when you call me the 'paragon of inconsistency'? Honestly?

[VP Baltar]

I play from my hip, Juls. You've got to accept that. But, since I like you and I do think you could be town (which I thought was clear given how much leeway I've been giving you) I'll give you a full rundown even though I don't normally do these types of things D1.

Pappums - I did push on him hard. I felt strongly about it. I still think he has a decent chance of being scum. I did back off however because his explanation of his actions is somewhat convincing. Also, he's at least playing the game, so that means my read on him will only improve.

Beck - still scummy for the things I pointed out earlier. I think he does sound somewhat townish in some of his spat with you though. Which is why I hate those back and forths. It becomes nigh impossible to tell who is frustrated town and who is scum just trying to push buttons. I don't appreciate you fueling that kind of thing.

Budja - reasonably scummy for his following me like a puppy dog, and my vote is staying there at the moment.

Panacea - I haven't found her that scummy all game really, even when she was just being lazy. Her PBPA sucks because PBPAs suck and it felt kinda opportunistic. That being said, the vote was on beck, so.... Overall she comes across as noob town and I'm really not interested in lynching her.

charter - seems mostly town to me other than his persistence on only noobs.

hiplop - pretty shitty play, so I can understand why charter et al. don't like him to some degree. Gut says he's low hanging fruit though. I guess that balances to more of a null read than anything. I would like to see him be more involved in a significant way.

Phoebus - null and I think he's trying to stay there, which I don't like. At times he gets in the mix and early on he was at least pushing Panacea with some kind of passion, but he seems detached. Also want to see him get more involved.

[VP Baltar]

Thanks. I am fine with your style of playing, I was just having a bit of trouble seeing where your head was. I don't recall that ever being a problem before. Then again, I have only played with you when you are scum (I think).

Clearly you forgot Lost mafia when you were scum and I was bamboozled town (though I think you replaced out before that finished)

[VP Baltar]

[VP Baltar]

What the fuck do you mean it doesn't seem like I'm sure on anyone? My reads are crystal clear and summed up in a single post. How much clearer can I be?

As far as pointing out earlier reasons why I found you scummy, that'd involve me just requoting myself and that seems pointless.

[VP Baltar]

so you're saying I have one scum read and then I listed everyone else as null leaning scummy? That's what you got out of that post?

[VP Baltar]

you can throw hiplop back on the scummy pile after his last post (shows what I get for second guessing myself there). I am having trouble with that slot because you REALLY want him lynched and you give me bad feelings 90 percent of the time. So, if I had to rank those names it'd probably be Budja, Beck, hiplop, pappums.

[VP Baltar]

trying to meta hiplop is like staring into the center of the sun.

[VP Baltar]

no one is unmetable. I just find it hard to make sense of your play as either alignment.

[VP Baltar]

no one is unmetable. I just find it hard to make sense of your play as either alignment.

lots are; meta is trash and its how scum lynches town.

meta is not trash at all, you just have to know how to do it.

[VP Baltar]

No its trash, by anyone who does it.

sure thing mafia pro. All six of your completed newbie games were probably really good experience for you to determine that all meta is useless....

[VP Baltar]

ok

[VP Baltar]

Dear Budja,

Where are you?

Sincerely,

Me

[VP Baltar]

Why do you feel your play has been especially bad lately Budja? I mean, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt because of [redacted], but I do think you were sheeping me twice (Phoebus included).

What are your current thoughts on Panacea? on Juls?

[VP Baltar]

I think I'm just going to vote whoever of Budja, Hiplop, or Panacea posts most recently. It's like the scum olympics and each time they post, they go for the gold.

unvote, vote Budja

forshadow much?

What does this even mean? What is wrong with what charter said?

[VP Baltar]

Charter, what happened between:

I don't think I've said more than two sentences about Budja, and he's fluffposting like a heavyweight champ. My reasons for suspecting who I do is not 'people not contributin', which is obvious if you were reading my posts and not what you want to read.

Which I thought implied you didn't find Budja that suspicious, to your vote on him two posts later?

[VP Baltar]

Can't say that replacement post doesn't twinge my gut just a bit.

[VP Baltar]

I'm not going to call people out, but I feel as if I'm wasting my time playing in this game, which is quite frustrating. I doubt I'm the only one who feels that way either, and it isn't fun for myself/anyone else who feels that way.

I feel the same. It's unfortunate Juls is out of town on business because she was playing too. Honestly, we probably just need a lynch at this point because we have too much dead weight to get any good information out of discussion. We need to lynch someone and start analyzing the wagon or at least using that as a catalyst to talk more.

[VP Baltar]

Hi Psyche!

[VP Baltar]

Basic math = putting in effort?

Psyche, why do you label Beck as genuine?

Why does hiplop "seem ok"?

[VP Baltar]

And anytime someone replaces in and says "wow, I thought my slot was scum" always makes me think, "I wonder why.. probably are scum". More than once, I've replaced in to a game, and before reading my role, I read the game and make my notes. I read my role, and I had the person I'm replacing down as scum, and they're scum...

This is called the Amished tell. I noticed it for sure. I've had hard luck correctly applying the tell recently though, so I'm a bit hesitent to use it. As far as I know, I think I'm the only one in this game familiar with it, so it kind of sucks I can't talk with someone about it.

[VP Baltar]

Budja's reasons for voting people do not seem to have sincerity behind them (as in, they seem like made-up reasons to me).
I am just not seeing the scum-motivation behind his posts like I was before, he just looks more like a lost townie to me now.

So you see Budja as a townie, but

Also, his vote on Budja seems to me kind of like a weak bussing attempt.

His vote looks like a bussing attempt? Wouldn't that make Budja scum? I'm unclear on your stance here.

Eh. I suppose my commitment to the whole statistics thing was a bad idea, considering what panagea did.

What did Panacea "do"? Why do you keep apologizing for her play? Did you read your role PM before you read the game, or after you had read it?

She could of been more disciplined, but she was hardly scummy if you think about it. Scumminess is more than an unwillingness or inability to post useful content.

1) She wasn't posting all that much useful content, honestly. 2) You're the one that called her scummy. Twice.

Beck's not scum because his emotion is genuine.

Can you show me examples of him being genuine? Those would at least counter the points where I showed him as being disingenuous.

'Ey, Charter, Juls and Phoebus, let's confer and find someone to lynch. Phoebus, how do you feel about a Beck lynch? Charter is pretty against it, Juls is pretty much for it and I could see that today as well. Budja is a reasonable lynch, but in the same vein we could also string up hiplop for his smacking refusal to play the game at all at this point. I'd like to move this game toward a lynch in the next few days if at all possible so we can start making some progress here and stop cycling between bottom-tier contributors. Frankly, it's getting hard to tell who is scummy and who is just being utterly fucking lazy.

[VP Baltar]

I guess he's not. I had a decently strong town read on Panacea...then she left and mucked that all up. I'm holding out hope that Psyche can get his head on straight here and do something to reaffirm that previous town read I guess.

[VP Baltar]

Why stick with Budja in this case? Honestly, I'm torn on Budja and your pappums case seems pretty decent. You feel Budja's laziness outweighs the pappums case you made?

@pappums - ok, I get the misunderstanding now...but why switch from Budja? You're pretty convinced they are both scum at this point?

[VP Baltar]

Ok, three days until deadline. If you people on the Psyche wagon aren't going to change then you need to say so. Beck seems happy camped there. I'd still prefer Budja over Psyche. If no one is going to change, then Psyche should probably claim.

[VP Baltar]

I'm unclear what psyche's alignment has to do with my own, but I guess people have wanted to chain me to Panacea since the start of the game.

p.edit - you joking or you really think I should be lynched today?

[VP Baltar]

wtf, just realized hiplop isn't even voting at all? What kind of a game are you playing, bro?

[VP Baltar]

charter, I'd be pretty okay with a hiplop lynch, what are your thoughts?

[VP Baltar]

I just don't see how a town player could be 3 days away from deadline and be like 'ooops! forgot I'm not voting anyone.'

[VP Baltar]

unvote, vote:hiplop

It astounds me that you can sit there and type that with a straight face.

[VP Baltar]

In this case it's not scum motivation; it's no motivation. You're simply not trying to find scum at all. Any townie is going to care about who gets lynched enough to put a vote somewhere. Don't you think?

[VP Baltar]

I'm sure you wouldn't.

[VP Baltar]

I just said you're scum for not having any townie motivation and playing on cruise control 3 days from deadline. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear. The info I plan to learn from your lynch is seeing your name in red in the OP.

[VP Baltar]

That's a terrible argument against your lynch, btw. Try harder.

[VP Baltar]

I will evaluate who was on the wagon and why, as well as player interactions with you...just as I would if anyone flipped town. While we're asking stupid questions, what do you learn if you flip scum?

[VP Baltar]

Glad that's settled.

[VP Baltar]

well, in fairness, lynch > NL

[VP Baltar]

charter, out of you and me, who do you think is going to die tonight? Also, people should realize it's almost deadline and do things (like voting hiplop).

[VP Baltar]

bobsnox - How much of the game have you read? Do you plan to finish the game before deadline? What do you mean that you don't see anything worth saving from the Psyche slot? what has he done wrong that is worth lynching over in your opinion?

[VP Baltar]

This game is I don't even...

[VP Baltar]

yo bobs..what's up bro?

[VP Baltar]

But you were aware you were hammering before you cast it, correct?

[VP Baltar]

vote:hiplop

also, those last couple pages were complete drivel. I second charter about pappums and Phoebus needing to get in here.

[VP Baltar]

vote:hiplop

also, those last couple pages were complete drivel. I second charter about pappums and Phoebus needing to get in here.

whys that

you've been a bad boy and haven't repented from your ways. Also, your push on bobs kinda looks like 'lolsofttarget' without caring about alignment. Not much has changed from yesterday I see.

[VP Baltar]

99 percent of the time, saying someone 'claimed scum' is wrong at best. You saying he did it twice pretty much shows you're not actually scumhunting. NOTHING

IS OVER

HAS CHANGED.

[VP Baltar]

bobs, can you link so some of these scum games you're talking about?


hiplop - you're not really questioning bobs about much of anything. you're that confident he's scum that you're just not going to bother trying to figure out if you're right or not?

[VP Baltar]

bobs, can you link so some of these scum games you're talking about?


hiplop - you're not really questioning bobs about much of anything. you're that confident he's scum that you're just not going to bother trying to figure out if you're right or not?

honestly, people have been kind of doing it for me lol. But yeah, im practically SURE hes scum, really.

What do you think are the best points made by other people about bob? in other words, what do you agree with exactly? I'm not quite certain of WHY you think he's scum I guess.

[VP Baltar]

unvote, Vote:pappums

I can buy a pappums wagon after that opportunistic vote.

[VP Baltar]

lol, sounds like something a scumbuddy would say lol and etc.

[VP Baltar]

bobs, can you link so some of these scum games you're talking about?


hiplop - you're not really questioning bobs about much of anything. you're that confident he's scum that you're just not going to bother trying to figure out if you're right or not?

honestly, people have been kind of doing it for me lol. But yeah, im practically SURE hes scum, really.

What do you think are the best points made by other people about bob? in other words, what do you agree with exactly? I'm not quite certain of WHY you think he's scum I guess.

You can answer this even though I changed my vote.

[VP Baltar]

unvote, Vote:pappums

I can buy a pappums wagon after that opportunistic vote.

LOL. Nothing opportunistic about it. If anyone's vote is "opportunistic" it is Bobs' vote on Beck. What do you think of his vote on Beck? What do you think of his reasoning behind it? How about his subsequent OMGUS vote on me, and his reasoning behind it? The same questions go to charter.

I don't find his vote on Beck opportunistic. OMGUS perhaps, but hardly opportunistic considering there isn't that much motion in that direction. If bob is town, I can understand his logic for his reasoning even. That doesn't bother me. In terms of his vote on you, well...your reaction of 'hey guys, my vote isn't as bad as THAT guys' shows me that his vote's in the right place. You honestly don't see how your vote could be seen as opportunistic at all? considering how long you were gone and then you just plop down on the lead wagon?

[VP Baltar]

on the flipside, what kind of scum is going to admit to not reading the game and then quickhammer?

[VP Baltar]

It's more about the shape of things. People were slobbering all over him immediately. that puts me off a bit.

[VP Baltar]

It's more about the shape of things. People were slobbering all over him immediately. that puts me off a bit.

[VP Baltar]

Weren't you one of the people questioning bob out of the box?

Yeah, cause I was trying to figure out his alignment and reasons. That's different from "LOL BOBS HAMMERED> VOTE: BOBSCUM"

[VP Baltar]

Weren't you one of the people questioning bob out of the box?

Yeah, cause I was trying to figure out his alignment and reasons. That's different from "LOL BOBS HAMMERED> VOTE: BOBSCUM"

whos doing that

You're the worst offender. Pappums' vote post also has a distinct tang of 'I don't care what your actual reasons were'.

[VP Baltar]

really? I've been going after pappums the whole game, and not even bus-esque.

You just said bob and I are scum...how is that going after pappums all game? You haven't hardly said anything about him today other than he needs to die eventually, and now he may not even be scum in your book. Try to keep your stories straight.

[VP Baltar]

mod: please prod Phoebus if you haven't already

[VP Baltar]

I'd lynch hiplop today as well. Been saying that for awhile now.

[VP Baltar]

lol, want me to play some music for your sand dance?

You're saying I'm scum with pappums now?

[VP Baltar]

vote: no lynch

[VP Baltar]

unvote

hold on my numbers are wrong I think. it might make more sense to lynch today.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, I'm an idiot. that'd be a loss.

[VP Baltar]

ok, we need to mass claim then. hiplop or bobs need to go 1 and 2.

[VP Baltar]

vote: hiplop

confirmed scum right there folks.

[VP Baltar]

why'd you wait to use your investigation until day 2, bro? Why'd you choose me for your investigation?

[VP Baltar]

why'd you wait until D2? Most cops I know would be pretty worried about dying and not getting any investigation at all.

[VP Baltar]

Couldn't decide on who to use it on last night; and I chose you because of a nasty gut feeling I've had all game. I was going to use it last night; after juls comment on "if we lynch X, we learn lots about vp balatar" but i decided against it.

Found your quote for you:

I think I learn more about vp baltar with a psyche lynch. Vp is likely confirmed town to me if psyche is town and likely scum if psyche is scum. I don't think I plan on switching.

lol, tell me how that even makes sense with what you're saying.

[VP Baltar]

These are some pretty paper thin excuses you're calling reasoning here. Lynch this scum now.

[VP Baltar]

lol, thought you had a guilty on me? You seem uncertain. In a game this small and not knowing what we're dealing with, I find it pretty ludicrous you're trying to clear yourself on other PRs existing. Or perhaps that's a signal to your buddy to claim VT right.

[VP Baltar]

Guess your buddy is waiting to see how the townies react before he decides to come try and lynch me, ey hiplop?

[VP Baltar]

I'm a weak doctor. I protected charter both nights. I find it highly improbable there is a cop and a doctor together in a Zachrulez setup. All of this on top of hiplop's sand dancing claim.

bobs goes next.

[VP Baltar]

Actually, you know what, I think I'm fooling myself here. Beck, you need to claim now.

[VP Baltar]

I didn't breadcrumb my role, but I did breadcrumb who I was protecting N1 here:

charter, out of you and me, who do you think is going to die tonight? Also, people should realize it's almost deadline and do things (like voting hiplop).

Wasn't really expecting it to prompt charter to claim, but I stuck with his protect anyhow since I'm kind of assuming I'm the only PR in the game. Since I didn't die N1, that meant charter was confirmed town and that's why I kept my protect on him N2.

[VP Baltar]

WTF do you mean my play after the claim is suspicious? I point out all the flaws in hiplop's play and how he's got zero logic as to why he chose to investigate me. He says it was for Juls saying that Psyche's alignment reflected mine. Then when I pull the actual quote where she said that, he goes: "HERDY DERDY MEANT SOMETHING ELSE"

As far as my breadcrumb, yeah it's not that obvious, but then again obvious breadcrumbs get you NKed, so...

It is pretty clearly indicative of a weak doc role where I would die if I tried to protect scum. That's why I asked charter if he or I would die tonight. It was kind of a cheeky way of saying 'you scum, charter?' without being obv. about my role.

I swear to god if you guys let hiplop win this fucking game over an obviously fake cop guilty I'm going to be so pissed at all of you.

[VP Baltar]

You put pretty much everyone on the scum team yesterday. And no you didn't put me as number one.

[VP Baltar]

You were like: it's either pappums/bob bob/baltar pappums/baltar etc. etc.

then you said you'd hammer pappums

then you said you were certain it was bob/baltar

then you hammered pappums

cool story, bro

[VP Baltar]

indecisive man.

Bob/baltar was my #1 though. But no one wanted to hammer bob, we wouldve had it won had we hammered him.

Why is it that you change your story every time you post? Is it that difficult to remember your thought processes throughout this game?

[VP Baltar]

bobs, get your ass in here.

[VP Baltar]

it's time for a lynching....hiplop

[VP Baltar]

what the fuck do you mean coerce you into voting stupidly? who do you feel I'm coercing?hiplop is confirmed goddamn scum.

[VP Baltar]

Balter, who is Hiplop's buddy?

bobs or beck pretty obviously. I'll save my specific accusations for tomorrow. No need to give scum fuel for who to kill and who to keep tonight.

I'd still like to hear why you're saying I'm coercing people by voting the scum who claimed a fake guilty on me. This is probably the worst gambit I've ever seen charter.

[VP Baltar]

Eh, true enough I suppose.

I'm leaning bobs as hiplop's partner for the way hiplop kind of keeps mentioning him but has notably evaded lynching him. That being said, Beck's persistence on me today despite hiplop clearly being scum here gives me pause that it might be him.

[VP Baltar]

dearest charter,

i'm totally not scum and you're going to lose this game.

Sincerest regards,

VP Baltar

[VP Baltar]

but for realz, don't be a dumbass.

I'm doc and there is no cop in this game.

[VP Baltar]

Oh, and for why I'm so sure Balter is scum in the first place, the game makes no sense with just a doc. Hiplop has to be telling the truth, regardless of Balter's claims.

This logic is not iron clad. In fact, it makes no fucking sense. Unvote me now. We have proof at this point that Beck is scum with hiplop. Don't fucking lose this game over some ego trip bullshit.

bobs, vote hiplop and let's lynch this scumbag. charter get your fucking vote off of me before Beck checks this thread. Jesus you're derping all over the place. How in the hell does 'this game makes no sense with a doc' even cross your mind as being logical? It makes perfect sense with just a weak doc because you can use a weak doc to find scum. That's why I made the obvious breadcrumb in the chance I died. People would know 100 percent you're scum then.

p.edit - oh fuck off

[VP Baltar]

GG all. You should have seen me screaming at the computer for you to vote first Beck. Thanks for coming through, I don't think I could have taken another loss.

Charter, you're a wiley squirrel. I'll give you that.

Sorry, Juls. You're too good to let live.

Thanks for modding, Zach!

[VP Baltar]

Well, the 'townie' logic is that hiplop = confirmed town for copping a scum, and if you're town that only leaves one option. I'm not really sure why bobsnox felt hiplop was potentially scum in that situation, as it seems like an unnecessarily risky gambit. But it all worked out in the end.

[VP Baltar]

also, /in b4 charter rage

[VP Baltar]

First!

Vote: VP

WE ARE NEVER ON THE SAME TEAM!!!!!!

I seriously lol'd when you said this.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, day talk was very helpful. I wasn't expecting two PRs to counter it, but it can definitely make a difference for the unity and performance of a scum team.