Newbie 1136: DarthYoshi's Dystopia of Death (Fin--who won?!)

[theamatuer]

/confirm

[theamatuer]

vote: etanga

for not confirming yet.

[theamatuer]

1. I've only had VT roles up to now, so I would like a PR as well/
2. No, but they are still annoying, so I try to spur them up.
3.Analysis, gut is usually wrong anyways
4. Meta, what's that?

[theamatuer]

ah.
Well, I used it on a mafia game on another website and got lynched for in. x.x
So I'll say that I'll never use it again.

[theamatuer]

5. GMT-8, will change to +8 from 8-20
6. a few lengthy posts.
7.a lot as i'm hopefully not going to be lynched day 1

[theamatuer]

The entire point of RVS is using your vote to draw out more information. (To see how other people react to it, etc.)

If that's the case, shouldn't it be better to bring someone to L-1, see how they react then move to each other person in order?

[theamatuer]

to ghostlin: They said it was because I ragepost too much.
To AeRyung: You could also vote the IC, but then everyone else would say that it is a scummy action and lynch you

[theamatuer]

It is because the IC's are supposed to help the newbies get accustomed to the game. The IC would then start to have a sense of reliability around him, and thus if you attack him, the newbies would turn towards you instead.
I'll keep my vote as it is.

[theamatuer]

The entire point of RVS is using your vote to draw out more information. (To see how other people react to it, etc.)

If that's the case, shouldn't it be better to bring someone to L-1, see how they react then move to each other person in order?

You don't bring people to L-1 less you really suspect they're scum. Up to L-2 is fine--and early wagons are encouraged to see how folks react. L-1 encourages hammers, accidental and not, and we do NOT want Day 1 end early even if we catch scum through RVS/RQS.

EBWOP: L-2 doesn't actually give as much pressure as L-1, it is because they encourage hammers do the L-1'd want to persuade them, and thus we would get more valuable information

[theamatuer]

7.a lot as i'm hopefully not going to be lynched day 1

Why are you trying to deter people from voting you by saying that you will post a lot. I find that suspicious.

No, normally I post whenever I'm online and somebody else posts, so I do take a lot of the thread. That's in other forums of course.
And I got lynched in day 1 on other games as well, so I'm kind apprehensive about it.

[theamatuer]

Unvote.

Vote: Theam

theam?

unvote.
vote: ConSpiracy

lets start the L-2

[theamatuer]

It is because the IC's are supposed to help the newbies get accustomed to the game. The IC would then start to have a sense of reliability around him, and thus if you attack him, the newbies would turn towards you instead.
I'll keep my vote as it is.

So you are scared of being attacked because you voted for the IC?

Vote: theamatuer

EBWOP: if you didn't notice, I voted for etanga (now Marthas). So no, I'm not that scared. But then again, excluding me, there are 5 newbies, just enough for a lynch. So you can't play too complex either, else the newbies just decide to lynch someone instead of trying to understand.

[theamatuer]

I'm trying to get an L-2 on him, which then hopefully we can pry an acceptable defense out of him, like I said earlier.

[theamatuer]

For now [unvote. vote: BKWM] to help AeRyung to get BKWM's defense.

[theamatuer]

EBWOP

unvote. vote: BKWM

[theamatuer]

EBWOP(again): I just realized that theam was supposed to be me. Well, I am mostly trying to aid others in their attacks for now, since I don't seem to have anyone in mind.
So basically, I'm running a semi-aggressive/helping type of play, and I'll switch to aggresive once I have enough suspicions.

[theamatuer]

Ghostin, you can just call me ta or something.
To BKWM, I'm just helping Ibarra here, since I do not feel any suspicions about anybody yet.

[theamatuer]

unfortunately no, I cannot see anything suspicious. It might just be that I didn't read it throughly, but it is rather hard to analyze everything considering this is my 1st time here.
Also, BWKM does not have enough stuff posted to make a full analysis.
L-2 on BKWM, comments?

[theamatuer]

actually, I may have counted the votes wrong somehow. According to DarthYoshi, were both at L-3.
Also, if you want my defense, you should post out my flaws first

[theamatuer]

To morthas: don't rely on your gut feelings, or at the very least don't tell anybody that. Try to set facts to go along your suspicions, since that gives a greater amount of believability to them. At the very least, that makes it look less like a scumtell.
...Actually, I'm screwing myself over here, aren't I?
Also, I'm creating bandwagons to help others get defenses, since I myself do not find anything suspicious about anybody YET. I'll be more aggresive later, for now I'll help at bandwagons, even myself's later to get more evidence.
Of course, that is if self-voting does not cause being Slew-By-Darth's-Sith-Dinosaur-Lightsaber (aka modkilled)

[theamatuer]

Actually, no. Selfvoting cannot help your goal, as you are supposed to play to your win condition. Unless you are a Jester, selfvoting cannot help you, as Mafia's goal is to stay alive, while towns goal is to lynch the mafia through discussion, and selfvoting stops the discussion early and prevents others from hearing more of what you say, which can help a lot even if you are lynched.
And.

The Slain-By-My-Sith-Dinosaur-Lightsaber (aka modkilled):
None, and let's keep it that way.

[theamatuer]

I'm terribly sorry, but internet suddenly stopped working for à while. Tommorow evening I should Be able to post regularly again.

à?
*Grammer nazi rage*
to Aeryung: you should always post what you find on the thread if you are a VT, since whatever you post will help everyone. Even if BWKM gets voted on again, people are reluctant to hammer, since hammering can be one of the major suspicions of being scum (which means that no scum ever does it most of the time.). So, if BWKM goes to L-1, I bet someone on the current wagon would unvote to keep the balance.
If you are a PR instead, that's a different story. You should try playing like a normal VT but biased towards your findings and powers. As a doctor, find who is most likely to be NK'd. As a jailkeeper, do that or find a suspicious person to seal his powers. As a cop, once you find a mafia, hint towards them without letting yourself be found.

[theamatuer]

unvote

vote: theamatuer

<.<>.>
.................................................what?

[theamatuer]

BWKM hasn't logged on since thursday, so it's probably OK?, he's not lurking or anything.
I'll answer everyones suspicions in the meantime.
To CS: I know what you mean now, and I perfectly understand. I'll just ask everyone to not lynch anybody until we've got a really good reason and listened to their defenses, and warning them beforehand before hammering, just to listen to what they'll say. That should give us really good information to consider if we do lynch town by accident.

[theamatuer]

A thing to remember, folks is we're on Page 5 of Day 1--Day 2 will not start well with as little information we have. Please, even though it may be tempting to vote BK or TM at this point and lynch, we don't have enough future information for tomorrow and following Days.

This reads as if you know both of them will flip town so town needs more information.

ummm.........

YES I AM TOTALLY INNOCENT AND STUFF.

To be serious now....
CS: I think that you are right with your analysis on Ghostlin. its certainly suspicious, but not neccesarily scum.
And I'll stop voting myself once somebody takes my place thank you

[theamatuer]

Well, I'd say the question would be if you want me to unvote myself or not. I voted myself just because I am helping everyone getting defenses at this point, and not just bandwagoning/lurking. This seemed to me as the best idea at the time, although looking back, this isn't being very effective to say the least, since I'm not feeling much pressure.
To CS: I ask you what scum purpose there is to that? The goal of scum is to survive lynching, and to be honest, the self vote did nothing but draw attention to myself, which if I were scum, would be the last thing I want. (and to be honest, I had almost no suspicion on me to begin with).

[theamatuer]

two. Is that "only two????" or "two??!?!?!?"
also

unvote

because cs said so.
Paradox has not been online since he posted yesterday. In fact, I think that he is a lurker. The only reason people voted on him was because of the cuteness of his avatar.

vote: paradox

to spur lurkers to action
By the way, what happened to BWKM?. Shouldnt a prod be sent by now?

[theamatuer]

EBWOP: i meant PM.

[theamatuer]

Dude, I wanted people to stop argueing about him/you was because that arguing earlier can lead to an early lynch. The only reason I brought him to L-2 was to listen to what he/you was going to say. You can't say anything if you were lynched before you logged on right?
And besides, attracting attention to myself is a truth to what you say, but if you assume that I am scum, then making myself L-2 would be useless. A suicidal Scum would vote himself at L-2 or L-1, since a L-1 can cause an accidental lynch, but being at L-2 simply gives pressure, and although there is the threat of a lynch, the actual lynch from there will still take a lot of time, and therefore would deviate from a Suicidal Scum's base purpose of quickening a day. Although an SS's other purpose is to make as few links as possible to the other scum, the entire game will be extended after the scum's death by at least a day, assuming that the 2nd scum evades lynch for that long. This gives the scum more chance to slip up.


Also, Soulblades actions are far too suspicious.

You said we have been bashing BKWM for too long already. However, our original purpose was to pry his defenses out of him from an L-2. After we did this, BWKM refused to answer at all, and to prevent people from either losing interest and unvoting him or getting too angry in his absence and lynching him, I temporalily drew off attention to me. however, once BKWM got a replacement, you immeadiately unvoted without even hearing a defense. I ask

why?

Unless you give me a perfectly good reason, I'm not going to let this go easily.

unvote: paradox

vote: stels

to reset the L-2 status.

Major FOS: Soulblade

And so, nobody cared about the lurker anymore

[theamatuer]

vote: stels

to reset the L-2 status.

Major FOS: Soulblade
And so, nobody cared about the lurker anymore

Why vote Stels, when you are suspicious of Soul.

That. Also, since Soulblade seems to be defending stels, I am feeling a stels-SoulBlade scumteam

[theamatuer]

No because stels was at l-3 already, so its easier. And if stels is scum, then SoulBlade is 99%scum. Conversely, if stels is scum, SoulBlade has a lowever precentage.

[theamatuer]

EBWOP: I meant the other way around.

[theamatuer]

stels might not be scum, however, SoulBlade protecting him gives reason enough, and I want to get defenses off Stels first, which was what we planned to do from the very beginning.
We being everyboy that voted for BWKM initially.

[theamatuer]

K then.

unvote
vote: Soulblade

To stels: Give me every single reason a suicidal mafia is a good mafia and I'll give you a reason why it doesn't work in this time and on me. Just try it.
And it isn't scum shouldn't do this. It is if scum does this, then he is a stupid scum.
U NOT L-2 NAO TALK

[theamatuer]

I think that Ghostlin isn't scum, although I could be wrong. SoulBlades recent action is far more scummy, and I suggest we all get him to talk first.
I personally think that Ghostlin is like an extremist, where he thinks that anyone that goes against his rulebook is scum. The fact is that everyone has his or her own playstyle, and most people's styles have their flaws that can be read as antitown. I think that it is the one that looks like the most protown and whose style is perfect is most likely to be scum.
Ghostlin may be an extremist, but that doesn't mean he's scum, since he play's that way. Unless someone shows Meta that disproves that fact, then it's cool.

[theamatuer]

I meant that his definition of scum is one that is not completely protown, and there is no middlepoint between the two. Either you are completely pro-town, or you are scum.
I can't explain this as clearly as I want.

[theamatuer]

Is anybody going to listen to me at all?????????

[theamatuer]

if SoulBlade is likely-scum, then shouldn't we lynch him instead?

[theamatuer]

From the looks of it, there are 3 outcomes to get a lynch, since Paradox does not vote and will likely never vote:
1. Me and SoulBlade both vote the same person. Unlikely, since SB will most likely vote me,and I refuse to hammer myself.
2.One of the wagons disbands to lynch the other wagon
3.Both wagons disband to lynch a third person. (most likely soulblade or paradox.)

[theamatuer]

cept SoulBlade did this https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 1#p3303891, and I noted it with this, http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p3305780, and I voted him after CS pointed out what I did wrong here.

So yeah, And I haven't heard SoulBlade explain himself on the matter yet

[theamatuer]

EBWOP: third link fix'd

[theamatuer]

Paradox is definitely a lurker. Why is there one every game>.<

[theamatuer]

To aeryung: two games in total
first game: got subbed in at page 37, game ended at page 39.
second game: got lynched on day 1 at page 9 while I was asleep.
BTW: I self-voted since I promised I would if it came to an L-2 here. and I don't like breaking promises. However, self-hammering is a different story

[theamatuer]

CS: stop tunneling me.
My first game was incomplete since I was subbed in near the end. And my second game got me lynched on day 1. I wouldn't call that 2 whole games. I bet you didn't read my links at all. I like being truthful since lying more or less leads to getting lynched after being found out. That's why I self-voted and that's why I refuse to selfhammer.
And I refuse to OMGUS vote you, so stop bugging me.
For Ghostlin, the only reason you're not voting him is because he's helping to vote me.
I had a full analysis written, and then my computer ****ed up. I'll rewrite it when I feel like it.
EBWON: Hi, Johog!!
post more so I can do an analysis of you

[theamatuer]

I should really get to sleep too. It's 2 AM here.

[theamatuer]

Oh yeah.
I'm at L-2 now, so please don't lynch me at least until I wake up and post my character analysis.

[theamatuer]

OK, analysis time:
Character Analysis (Scummy level from 1-10. 1 least 10 most)
Aeryung:pulls the noob card out, both directly and indirectly. Usually after being attacked. Possible mistake. 4
ConSpiracy:Tunneller of thematuer. 7
Ghostlin:2nd ta tunneller. posts little content in general for an IC. 8
hiplop:Apparently helpful. Mostly attacks Ghostlin and ConSpiracy. possible scumpartener with ta. 3
Johog: To early to be sure. 5 for Null
Morthas: can't tell. More suspicious than not though. 6
Soulblade: Didn't post since mistake. Very possible scum. 9
stels: Mostly counterarguments against ta. null. 5
thamatuer: Self-voting. Very Defensive in the beginning. jumps on bandwagon's in the middle. Self-vote. Becomes offensive towards SB. Probable scum. 7
This is being as objective as possible.

[theamatuer]

Possible scumpartners:
theamatuer-hiplop.
Ghostlin-SB.
SB-stels
ta-morthas
NOTE: these are placed considering the possibilty of the first being scum if the other is known scum.
Also. How did I get the Goon title?

[theamatuer]

EBWON: decided to add CS-Ghostlin scumpartner above SB-stels after reading Aeryung's post.
It would help if others did a character analysis/summary as well.

[theamatuer]

Even if Ghostlin is scum, some people are more likely to be partners than others based on their actions.
EBWON: My objective view is to place facts together as unbiased as possible, so others can use it no matter how I turn up. Hiplop is obviously protecting me, so if I am scum, then Hiplop is also scum. All your suspicions are true unfortunately, and saying otherwise is incorrect.
However, since I know I am a Townie, the above is utter bulls***

Thank you for not tunneling me anymore.
Also, why does it seem that when a person seems to get actually scummy, they stop posting altogether?
(talking bout soulblade and possibly BWKM)

[theamatuer]

Actually, it's more like:
Lynch a suspicious IC or an *Insert term here* newb.
Yeah, I don't know how to describe myself

[theamatuer]

To aeryung: really? I just feel loads of wifom and circle logic coming on.0
Yeah, I'll call her as VT.

[theamatuer]

Also, the term is newbie, since everone here is a newb except for the IC and SE

[theamatuer]

You attacked me because I attacked you first, so it's mostly a OMGUS attack.
ConSpiracy is a plain tunneler. Although I may be a little biased, I'll move him to 6 then

[theamatuer]

I'm just putting my two bits in in case I get lynched for everyone to see later.

[theamatuer]

unvote

vote: theamatuer

<.<>.>
.................................................what?

WTF RAGE. What the hell is this?

Yeah, I think I'm regretting this right now.

[theamatuer]

Got cramps in both legs. The pain is overwhelming.
CS: I'm saying Aeryung is Townie, albeit one pulling out the newb card a lot. She pulls out the card too much, and obviously uses it after every mistake she makes. This however attracts more attention to her. However, this isn't scummy, since covering up every mistake causes too much attention instead of prying attention away from you.
And no saying that my WIFOM logic is circle logic. These are two different things.
And Stels, I attacked you as well once you subbed in and Soulblade unvoted immediately, but I unvoted as well.
If you want, I can move you to 6 too.

[theamatuer]

theres an activity overview below the page skip icons. You can see the last time they post and also PM them. It's what the mods use.

[theamatuer]

THis is getting tiring
VOTE: vote: Ghostlin.

[theamatuer]

You're assuming that he'd want to. If he didn't, he'd have to roleclaim. How would we prove he isn't if he claims doctor? He might be trying to stay under the radar so not to be nightkilled. At least if he proves cop, we can check it by asking him to investigate, but with Doctor, it isn't like we can tell them to protect somebody.
All in all, chance to turn scum is 60%, townie is 30%, and PR is 10%
If anyone wants, I can unvote to have someone fill my place, then I'll hammer him myself.

[theamatuer]

And we have to start all over with the Soulblade sub too.
damnit.

[theamatuer]

To Aeryung: yes, since hammering is a touchy subject, or the point of no return. If the lynched ends up being town, some people look back at the lynchees for scum suspects, with the hammerer as the top suspect. Of course, Mafia do lynch Townies in order to end the day sooner.

That's what everyone thinks anyways. Do Mafia even do that anymore? Like, ever?

[theamatuer]

To stels: because you're going to lynch me at day 2 anyways, unless I get NK'd.
Also, that's what felt like.

[theamatuer]

BTW: is soulblade or now DH-star still suspicious as scum?

[theamatuer]

Well, it's pretty obvious that he's not a Vanilla townie.
he's acting like an IC, but in reality he's posted minimal content.
He essentially follows others when posting his ideas, and such tries to keep as low of a profile as possible.
when attacked, he counterattacks, but rarely substanciates.
So he's either scum, or PR. Based on probably, with figures from his own post.

there's a 2/9 chance of being scum, there's a 7/9 chance of being Town, with at least a 1/9 of being a town PR in a 2x4.

scum is highest, PR has the proability increased a little based on how he tries to hide, and Townie exists since we could be wrong, and it might just be how he plays.

[theamatuer]

EBWOP: the stats are used by me only for PR, since he is most likely scum.

[theamatuer]

Damn that is a big post. Lets see now.
UNVOTE: Ghostlin to prevent self-hammering and accidental hammers.
I post my analysis of his post later.

[theamatuer]

What you do next theory wise is up to you: I generally hammer Cop claims Day 1 mostly because scum hide behind them and Doctors I generally leave alive.

So is that why you claimed Jailkeeper. We can prove if a cop’s real or not simply by forcing him to investigate someone while the rest nolynch/lynch 2nd most suspicious. If person pulls scum and lynchs VT, we lynch him, if yes, then he’s real. Of course, we could just see if scum NKs him, but if they lynch someone else on purpose, and we lynch a real cop, that puts us at an disadvantage. However, doctors and jailkeepers can’t be proven since we can't force him to save the exact person others lynch, since its a 1/7 chance. We could wait and see if NKd, but thats the same effect as cop. Why wouldn't a scum claim Doctor, when it is obviously a role that can't be proven?
secondary ability of Jailkeeper sucks too, unless you tell us who is 100% mafia. As long as you don't say that I am the scum, like you were doing for most of the day, you tunneler.

He then said he thought he'd be suspect due to rage posting a lot (Post #42)--which still sticks out to me because he hasn't been rage posting at all.

I've been trying very hard not to do so, thank you very much. I vent my rage by laughing and insulting at everyone in my other game that I got lynched in silently.

If you want something that's really odd, he essentially contradicts himself in what he says in one post by not self voting (Post #93) and then self votes himself (Post #118).

Post 90. Then referencing and reasoning at post 195. You should have found them when you were doing a post-by-post analysis of me. 93 was an explation of why self-voting might be a modkillable offense.

Then he made another concern about being lynched Day 1 again (Post #53)

Paranoia, K? I came here to learn and get first hand experience on mafia. Hard to do that when you're dead and can't post anymore.

his votes earlier in the day don't follow a town suspicion pattern, mostly used to wagon, but they lose points because they're obviously pressure votes (Post #66, Post #69).

Yess, I'm pretty sure I said so specifically. post 70

He also has waffled on my defense, claiming that I'm town, but all of a sudden reverses when I'm scum (about the same time my wagon became popular, he was tunnelling Soulblade continuously before this point

Yeah, you being an extremist is not scummy, but other people noted you post fluff. Fluff posting is scummy. STOP WASTING POSTS!!!

Post #281 is hilarious in retrospect---you could use the same things to describe himself, really. As for my 2/9 of being scum, at least 1/9 of being a PR, and 7/9 of being town....um, that's true of everyone, so I don't see how that's much of a case.

I tweaked the chances based on your posts. Or maybe I just ratted the percentages out to what I felt like. I do that.

(Also, if you read parts of the ISO, TM and hiplop read like this:

TM: You hate SB? I hate SB! Let's string up SB!
hiplop: Let's kill Ghosty first due to scum ICness. I'm so sure he's scum. However, SB's his scum buddy so he should die too, not now, tho'.
TM: SB. SB. Let me give you my reads. OK, well, if I'm going to hang, let's go hang Ghostlin first.)

That was so funny, that I'll do this

Spoiler: counterread (no offense to cs)

CS: *votes theamatuer*
Ghostlin: *votes theamatuer for completely different reason*
Ghostlin: hey lets be tunneling partners.
CS: Okay!
CS:
Ghostlin:

Also, it just occured to me that we might just be stealing his job.
My response: Tough luck pal. It's a hard world out there.

[theamatuer]

I'd suggest everyone to do a full analysis of day 1, just in case we get NK'd as well.

[theamatuer]

EBWOP: by we, I meant the one out 7 townies to get NK'd by scum

[theamatuer]

Which of the bolded ideas is EXACTLY like the other?

You're saying they're suppossed to be? How would that help besides furthering your own case?
Hiplop's argument is that you were completely useless because you didn't post anything useful.
My argument is that you're completely useless because you keep parroting others.
So no, they're not 100% identical.

I'm not accusing you of not doing your duty, I'm accusing you more of why are you letting that slip--particulary since you called him 'genuine' in a post.

maybe because I stopped soon after? I'd say the only reason that's keeping theamatuer wagon together is because of my self-vote.

[theamatuer]

You know, if I wasn't the 2nd scum suspect and not stupid, I would repeatedly self-vote/unvote just to piss you off >:D.
But yeah
CS:voted me in early stage, then kept it because of self-vote.
Stels: voted me immediately because of self-vote
Ghostlin: who knows?
And to Ghostlin: just saying, but don't go thinking of everything as scummy. Just because they're supposed to lie and hide doesn't mean that everything from self-voting to commenting about their favorite pie is a scumtell. Based on their posts and possibly meta. Know what is normal, and find differences. Then use your own judgement to find which is scummy and which is just plain weird.
Btw: I'm saying this because I think Ghostlin is just jumping at everything suspicious.

[theamatuer]

1) I think it's Theam

that's not gonna help.
They mean me. I think

[theamatuer]

Also we would learn a lot from a Ghostlin town flip. At least one of Theam/

hiplop would be scum

(I don't think both).

yeah, go figure

[theamatuer]

Ghostlin: please write who do you think is townie and who do you think is scum so if you do turn up VT, we know who else to look at after we kill myself first.



.................That was the most awkward sentence I've written in my entire life.

[theamatuer]

Weird, maybe--but it's also weird to have two folks so closely parrot reads. TM and hiplop have had similar reads from the moment hiplop replaced in. I've seen people all agree on one thing before as town in a newbie game, all replacements--and one of them was scum, so even scum agreeing with townies has happened for easy cred.

Honestly, I'm going to say it bluntly--odds are very good there's a scumbag on my wagon. VCA will help you on future days somewhat with that.

When I flip town, I find the odds are good that hiplop will flip scum, to answer the other question posted--I'd be hugging 70% chance that

one of

TM and hiplop is scum.

I think he already said who he thinks is who.

Yeah, but he only said one of either me or hiplop is scum. I want to know who he thinks #2 is

[theamatuer]

Ghostlin: to add to my previous request, a character analysis is even better

[theamatuer]

Ghostlin: to add to my previous request, a character analysis is even better

[theamatuer]

I think its because he thinks I act like I know everything already, and even trying to teach others, and that causes him to doubt the fact that I'm still a newb.

[theamatuer]

We should start lynch on Thursday, to give players 1 day or so of voting time. Too late and an undecided might happen, leading to a no lynch, which seriously will not help us at day 1.
Hopefully CS will come out then.
Aeryung: It's been an hour. Any luck?

[theamatuer]

Not immediately. But if the wagon even shows a slight chance of disappearing, someone hammers. Ghostlin is a good player and i dont want him to weasel his way out of death.

Unvote. Vote: ConSpiracy

Hiplop, you might have more experience than CS, but I'm voting for CS because people seem to favor him more at the moment. My love for you is the same.

no more wagon
REWAGONVOTE: ghostlin

[theamatuer]

Well, according to everybody, I am the ULTIMATE SCUM.
I can instantly brainwash someone to think I am town, as I have done with half the group already, and no matter how scummy I am at posting, I can never be lynched. I left the rest of you as simple toys for me to play with, while you get NK’d one by one. You are powerless to stop me, for no one will listen, and the only thing you can do is wallow in despair. I win for the sole purpose of showing you mortals your place, and my ultimate goal is to change the style of Mafia FOREVER.
Yes….
I AM THE FUCKING ANTI-JESUS!!!!

............ [/joke]




To stels: actually, Ghostlin could self-hammer to cut short our conversation if he was scum, and I was most afraid of that.

[theamatuer]

Theam's I am scum post is a scum tell. Scum like to claim scum. Town doesn't care about it.

yeah okay. I "claimed" being an invincible immortal. Surely if I was saying the truth, you'd have no way of countering it at all.
and it was a [joke] because of what Stels said.

[theamatuer]

Also: why would scum claim scum if townies never do it? if scum claim scum, only scum claim scum, so if you claim scum, you're scum. What you're saying is that scumclaiming is basically a death wish. Scum's goal is to survive, and if they scumclaim, since it is a deathwish, it plays against their goal.

[theamatuer]

Yeah, there's not much to say right now. Almost everyone reads null right now. This is because either the scum is really good scum, or the rest doesn't actually do enough in convincing others about their Township, since they're too busy attacking others. Not that I'm saying that is bad. Just that is hard to find the actual scum.

Also: why would scum claim scum if townies never do it? if scum claim scum, only scum claim scum, so if you claim scum, you're scum. What you're saying is that scumclaiming is basically a death wish. Scum's goal is to survive, and if they scumclaim, since it is a deathwish, it plays against their goal

.

WIFOM.

So? Are you telling me its wrong? WIFOM, according to the wiki, can be an extremely useful tool towards finding scum. It is because that people screw it up too much that it turns into circle logic. Also, this quote

WIFOM is arguably the most misapplied term in the Mafia lexicon, and for years the standard approach to has been to throw out any ambiguous evidence. This is not optimal, as WIFOM situations are generally not purely random. However, WIFOM arises precisely because someone is difficult to read, and the possibility of being wrong is inherent in making a choice

On the other hand, the scum will read my post, and do the opposite of what I say. Let's just say that He will do what I think, and the rest of us ignore the statement while scum goes to mindf*** himself.
the more we talk about this, the more the scum gets the advantage.

I have no clue what this guy is trying to pull off. I had this thought, what if he fakes his strange behaviour to look newbtown?

I realize that my behaviour is weird/eccentric/heterosexual, even in real life. Now, can we please skim off this topic before it gets awkward?
For the scum/town list, same as Johogs, cept place Johhog under Morthas and remove my name entirely.




This is no longer a newbie game anymore. I can barely even catch up

[theamatuer]

I'm not saying I'm giving up, but can this even be considered a Newbie game?
We have 2-3 IC eligible, and 5 SE's. That means newbs me and Aeryung and......DH-star?
Everyone's Null right now too. In newb games, shouldn't there be like 2-3 people each on the scum/town read sides with the rest in the middle, usually lurkers?
Gah, this is way too much info. At least day 1 is over this week.

[theamatuer]

I said Almost everyone last post. To be honest, the main reason most people are lynching/allowing to be lynched Ghostlin is to cause real scumpects to appear.

[theamatuer]

No, she called you scumpartner to Hiplop. IE, youre scum if and only if hiplop is

[theamatuer]

then..
wait wut do you mean with buddying?

[theamatuer]

I think he was replaced in at middle of day 1 and then lynched on day 3 in game 558. heres the link https://www.mafiascum.net/archive/viewt ... =11&t=7433

[theamatuer]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=17202
heres the link to fringe. btw, good job there >:D [/sarcasm]

[theamatuer]

Ghostlin Scum Flip:
theamatuer - Scum

Ghostlin Town Flip:

theamatuer -Scum

Well that sucks.
someone should hammer now.

[theamatuer]

Yeah, one of ConSpiracy, Stels, Aeryung, DH-Star, or Ghostlin needs to vote before Saturday. We can't miss this chance, since if Ghostlin is scum, he'd be hardpressed if he was going to let us start over. If anyone wants to vote but will not hammer, then I'll keep my previous arrangment if they say so.
And I placed Ghostlin there since he could hammer if he wanted to. Of course, thats just being a bastard and it goes against being a good IC, but it could happen.

[theamatuer]

No.
Read how to be a good IC. Self/hammering is a nono

[theamatuer]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _a_good_IC
no self-vote in newbie games

[theamatuer]

and yes I am. no 3

[theamatuer]

Ahhh, I see.
But there isn't going to be much confusion now that we established that fact right?
I feel that I'm start to post fluff here, so I'll step down awhile till day 2 or a really good question appears

[theamatuer]

Are you talking about me?

=====[]
☆ ☆
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[theamatuer]

Actually, it is logical if you consider it like this:
Ghostlin is townie, so logical scum would be either Hiplop or TM. Since Hiplop is proven townie, so TM must be scum.
Obviously they want me to get lynched day 2.
From this, we can guess that scum is (from order of most likelyness):
1.Wanted to get TM lynched.
2. completely unlrelated to Hiplop.
3. attacked by hiplop.
If anyone passes off this post with a single WIFOM, I'm going to rage on them

[theamatuer]

Yeah, I guessed that either Stels or Hiplop would get NK'd, since both would worsen my situation.

[theamatuer]

EBWOP: I do not like the death scene either. It makes me look like that I single-handedly caused the wagon and the lynch. It also makes me a cannibal

[theamatuer]

I saw that Johhog was talking about Hiplop NK'd earlier.
somewhat suspicious. I'll continue reading later

[theamatuer]

Goddammit!
The only one I can find truly suspicious is SoulBlade.
Oh well, I'll just vote his replacement
VOTE: DH-star
You haven't posted much after the replacement, and there's not much info to go on.
However, one thing still stands out.

For the Town's sake, I hope Ghostlin doesn't flip Town because fingers would then be pointed at Hiplop, which I don't agree with since I think Hiplop is town regardless of what alignment Ghostlin is

might not be anything, but saying that hiplop is sure-town would probably move you far away from the suspicions when Hiplop is actually NK'd.

So yeah, less of a case against DH-star and more of a case against Soulblade, but hey, replacing a scum doesn't make you innocent now, does it?

[theamatuer]

It's very good if you get night killed for one. Also, it makes it harder for scum as they can't be as sneaky.

here. full argument from 427-439

[theamatuer]

MOD: DH-star hasn't posted since tuesday, so 3 days until end of night 1. Is status reset, or should you prod him?

[theamatuer]

I just noticed something

What can i say? I love getting wasted.

18 is Swedish legal drinking age?
ninja'd:

For part 1, from Ghostlin's lynch, most suspicious would be me and Hiplop. Hiplop is IC-eligible, and so should be able to pry suspicion off himself. On the other hand, I'm a newb, possible VI, and everybody saw how well I did at defending myself in day 1. So yeah, lynching Hiplop to bring suspicion to an already dangerously close newbie to push him over the edge would do good in stalling day 2 to LYLO.
If you can show other NK possible people, it would be appreciated

part 2, Hiplop is explained. I'll show yours in a plot.

TA=Village Idiot=newb
If TA=scum, then TA= newb idiot scum.
People attacking TA=Stel, CS, Ghost.
Ghost lynched day 1.
Stel main attacker possibly after Ghost.
Stel NK'd--> Attacked TA--> TA scum OMGUS NK'd Stels.
Given CS should be competent enough to convince others to recuit more, esp. neutrals(towards ta scum) like Johog and DH-star, this is a formula to instant lynch.

[theamatuer]

So yeah, Hiplop is IC, which is the only thing going for him right now.
If the scumgoal isn't to lynch me, then, probably to lynch down from level of competence. Therefore, you SE's are most likely next if this is the case.
It doesn't, I just noticed it as curious, since I have only lived in US(legal age 21) and China (where no one gives a shit for the rules anyway) I never actually bothered checking.

[theamatuer]

So CS is the next victim unless we protect/lynch him first, right?

[theamatuer]

So yeah, Hiplop is IC, which is the only thing going for him right now.
If the scumgoal isn't to lynch me, then, probably to lynch down from level of competence. Therefore, you SE's are most likely next if this is the case.
It doesn't, I just noticed it as curious, since I have only lived in US(legal age 21) and China (where no one gives a shit for the rules anyway) I never actually bothered checking.

You're the only one talking about him being IC-qualified as the reason for the NK. You're worsening your situation again, since you are one of the 3 who aren't IC/SE here.

yep. Doesn't make it any less possible though.

In the US, you can drink anything while inside your own house/property, no matter the age. Buying/Drinking anywhere outside your house requires you to be 21 years of age.

Nahh, only true for 17 states. 15 ban it outright, and the others have special restrictions

So CS is the next victim unless we protect/lynch him first, right?

Random target again...

Nope. I said that NK'd downwards from experience level is a possible plan, and from this

The only reason I can think of why Hiplop would get NK'd is because he is most likely the biggest threat to scums aside from ConSpiracy. Hm... back to the drawing board.

It seems that CS is next.
NINJA'd: The final part works for you as well, Johhog/

[theamatuer]

Actually, it is logical if you consider it like this:
Ghostlin is townie, so logical scum would be either Hiplop or TM. Since Hiplop is proven townie, so TM must be scum.
Obviously they want me to get lynched day 2.
From this, we can guess that scum is (from order of most likelyness):
1.Wanted to get TM lynched.
2. completely unlrelated to Hiplop.
3. attacked by hiplop.
If anyone passes off this post with a single WIFOM, I'm going to rage on them

I love this post. So scum tries to lynch you as much as possible. However, scum wants to win, so they do not care about lynching you, but lynching anybody. Why would they kill hiplop when he was likely to recieve just as much suspicion as you so they secure your lynch? They could have split lynch choices...

I think I said so before. Hiplop is IC eligible. He probably could get a good defense and manage to pry off suspicion and find who is the real scum as well.
I however, do not have such confidence

[theamatuer]

Actually, my main point of Hiplop as IC eligible was that I am not IC eligible, so IF you wanted to lynch me, I would probably handle myself as well as I did day 1. However, since Hiplop is the only one who actually claimed he was IC eligible, he could've been lynched for that reason.
I'm looking too far into this, but I have nothing else to talk about

[theamatuer]

Sure.
explain mine and DH-star's read as well.

[theamatuer]

EBWOP: just for later on, but I have a shrewd idea on Johhogs reasoning.
What I am thinking of relies on a few fallacies that I will explain when he says so

[theamatuer]

You've been playing like scum all the game, almost every post you make is full of scumness, nothing more to add to that. Self-voting, frequent WIFOM, fluff etc. I think the list can continue for a long time but I won't do it. And no, I don't buy the defence that you're a newb.

I have absolutely nothing to say to this. I do not know how scum play or how I play as scum, and I only self-voted once (although perhaps once is enough). I use WIFOM alot sure, but it is definitely not in a bad way or in the way you are implying. You might want to wiki the term to check if you used it correctly.

DH-Star is a wildcard, he played like a Ghostlinbuddy, not a Theambuddy, but I have my gut telling me he's still scum. Not much evidence for him being scum as I said.

This is one of the fallacies I meant. First of all, I wish for you to show me relations for DH-Star is connected to Ghostlin. Once you put two people as scumbuddies together, one always assumes that if one lynches town, the other is also town. Of course, this is slightly reasonable if the only suspicion is buddying, but it will later on leave a blind spot with analysis, which can be deadly later on. This is even worse if you originally just piled them together since both are suspicious, since if this happens and 1 is town, you will automatically assume a top suspect to be town.

And for suspicions, I think that we should use SoulBlades actions along with DH-star, since as I said before, if SB was scum, then DH is also scum since roles are the same. The only reason most people don't post it out is because the replacement has no way of defending this, but usually people ignore the evidence altogether. I say this because SB acted like complete scum, and then he replace'd out for DH.

BTW: the other fallacy was about Johhog and me, along the lines of if A or B is scum, B is NK'd by "illogical" choice, then A is definitely scum. I think it doesn't work with Johhog well, but this post.

Aw sorry for the fence sitting but imo I have a good reason for it. In my book either Ghostlin or Theam must be scum, and both almost can't be, that would be ridiculous.

Made me think a little.


ALSO:

"/in" ~theamatuer, at page 22 in the Street Fighter Marathon game, a day after it ended.

SIG IRONY

[theamatuer]

No, those two points might look different, but in reality are the same thing.
First, Ghostlin is suretown now due to lynch, so the main suspects as said by so many people are one of me or Hiplop. Since the NK showed Hiplop as town, you thought of the NK as "illogical" and decided to ignore it, and decided to go lynch me instead. I say that scum's goal was to get one of Hiplop or me lynched by lynching the other. Since you see that one is town, you think the other must be scum. Comparatively between HIplop and I, Hiplop is an IC-eligible as he so said to everyone, and therefore it would be easier to get me lynched than him.

[theamatuer]

I bet DH-star isn't going to answer either. Why don't you modkill that spot instead of finding a new replacement?

I bet he's scum and I bet we're all going to ignore the new replacement too.
/rage

[theamatuer]

However, scum wants to win, so they do not care about lynching you, but lynching anybody.

didn't see this earlier.
If they NK hiplop, I said that I would get lynched pretty easily without them having to attack me specifically.
Also, I don't see much suspicious about CS, but I think it's because of my passive nature of being unable to find many suspicions to people attacking me.

[theamatuer]

In that case, let me ask you one thing.

Between me and Hiplop, who would be easier to get a lynch with?

[theamatuer]

I know you're online, so answer me.

[theamatuer]

OK then, I am completely useless in this game.
I'll just point out that I am innocent, DH-star is most likely useless, and lurk the rest of the game out.

[theamatuer]

EBWOP: I meant DH-star is most likely scum

[theamatuer]

initiating a search to replace dh star.

*sigh* here we go again.

[theamatuer]

OK then, I am completely useless in this game.
I'll just point out that I am innocent, DH-star is most likely useless, and lurk the rest of the game out.

Explain more in detail why DH-star is scum rather than just saying it.
DH-star is suspicious because SB was suspicious. He did something scummy as I said here. Instead of trying to defend it, he just dissapeared and was later replaced by DH-star. DH-star isn't that suspicious, but when I posted this post at the very beginning of day 2, he also dissapeared. I don't feel this is coincidence. Plus, like I said before,

hey, replacing a scum doesn't make you innocent now, does it?

Well, I didn't answer it properly, because there is no good use of this question. Firstly, scum and town would both answer that they would guide town in the right direction. Secondly, there isn't really something like guiding in mini games. Every body has enough room to push their own suspicions through without hindering the game too much.
Anyways, I will guide the town in the right direction. If every body would follow my guidance theam will be lynched and the scum-team will most likely lose a member.

To be honest, I don't care if you lynch me anymore, since I achieved my original goal of surviving day 1. Just don't lynch CS once I flip town and lynch DH-star again.

The questions you didn't answer are my responses on your cases. At first you said, that hiplop and I were scum because of A,B,C. I said why A,B,C were wrong and you left it alone.
Today, you said why I am scum because of D,E,F. I said again why that's not true and you left it alone again. It is as if you do not believe your own reasons and just fake them and leave them alone.

I say it's because you proved her points wrong that she left it alone, in fear that you would attack her as scum if she persisting, since she's a newb and you're an IC

[theamatuer]

OK then, I am completely useless in this game.
I'll just point out that I am innocent, DH-star is most likely useless, and lurk the rest of the game out.

Explain more in detail why DH-star is scum rather than just saying it.

DH-star is suspicious because SB was suspicious. He did something scummy as I said here. Instead of trying to defend it, he just dissapeared and was later replaced by DH-star. DH-star isn't that suspicious, but when I posted this post at the very beginning of day 2, he also dissapeared. I don't feel this is coincidence. Plus, like I said before,

hey, replacing a scum doesn't make you innocent now, does it?

Well, I didn't answer it properly, because there is no good use of this question. Firstly, scum and town would both answer that they would guide town in the right direction. Secondly, there isn't really something like guiding in mini games. Every body has enough room to push their own suspicions through without hindering the game too much.
Anyways, I will guide the town in the right direction. If every body would follow my guidance theam will be lynched and the scum-team will most likely lose a member.

To be honest, I don't care if you lynch me anymore, since I achieved my original goal of surviving day 1. Just don't lynch CS once I flip town and lynch DH-star again.
EBWOP: fixd

The questions you didn't answer are my responses on your cases. At first you said, that hiplop and I were scum because of A,B,C. I said why A,B,C were wrong and you left it alone.
Today, you said why I am scum because of D,E,F. I said again why that's not true and you left it alone again. It is as if you do not believe your own reasons and just fake them and leave them alone.

[/quote] I say it's because you proved her points wrong that she left it alone, in fear that you would attack her as scum if she persisting, since she's a newb and you're an IC[/quote]

[theamatuer]

I try to not get lynched and you call me scum. I let you lynch me and you call me scum. I attack others and you call me scum. I defend myself and you call me scum. I post info and you call it WIFOM. I post other things and you call it fluff. You are going to lynch me anyways whether I'm scum or not, and I've given you my stance. Now either lynch me or go bug somebody else, K?

[theamatuer]

I'll probably do it later. I still angry about what happened to Yamichan.

[theamatuer]

Where is Ksun? Replacement or not, he's still my top suspect since I am NOT letting him get away till I get satisfactory answers from anybody.

[theamatuer]

I don't know.
I think I meant kondi

[theamatuer]

CS is my third suspicion as scum now that Ghostlin is dead, so I have no problem voting him.
But an L-1 at this point is risky, esp with CS gone for a week.

[theamatuer]

hiplop is NK'd. He wont be posting till the endgame.

[theamatuer]

I suppose It's up to me to fill the screen then.
Going to read this again thouroughly.

[theamatuer]

2) No. I guess the SEs (which I think is me, Morthas, hiplop and ConSpiracy) will fill in for him.

Looks like I'm a ghost in this game...
@hiplop: I'm a qualified IC as well...

Well... IDK what to say...

I just found this. You said you were IC qualified, but I completely missed it, compared to Hiplop talking about it everywhere.
I read everything and I haven't found anything other's haven't cover'd. I'll do an ISO each day later then.

BTW: It still looks like I'm the most scummy player here. I guess I just have to go even more scummish till I pass through the other side of the spectrum and go supertown.

[theamatuer]

Today's ISO is......(diceroll)
STELS!

Spoiler: iso

0. Fuck you Morthas<3, theamatuer very untown, subsequent vote.
1. L-1
2. WIFOM makes me puke, TM uses made wagons.
3. Suicide is mostly bad, SB parroting, WTF extremist.
4. Ghostlin vote reason useless. Asks TM for meta, don't bother to read thouroughly, TM diverting attention
5. post shortening, TM digging own grave, Ghostlin 1st point useless, CS 3rd quote isn't content. Connections causes Stels to bleed from her eyes. Nothing about TM and BWKM, I am SE. (longest post here >.>)
6. Ignore all BWKM suspicions
7. SUPREME LAZINESS+ SCREW NUMBERS
8. Hammerready. tm has to wait. nobody trusts tm with hammers, stats WTF. I'm not an idiot, just impossibly lazy.
9. DH-star
10. Rage at not reading.
11. TM>Ghostlin, With great power comes great HAMMARponsibility,
12.Take your sweet time of 5 days.
13.Waiting.. OIC
14.lose 1 get 1 hesistant to disbelieve.
15.Parroted after hiplop, scummbuddies. *Stels is suffering from confusion!!*
16.Other reasons to vote. LIke I said.
17. IAMIC2!!!! Ghostlin said so.
18.CS should be coming back.
19.STOP LURKING. RQS is good. LYNCH TM!!! CSL suicides. Looked like posting content, reality tunneling. L1AGAIN!!!
20.oops. TM IS SCUM FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!
21.TM is SCUMSCUMSCUMSCUMSCUMSCUM. null tell timezone. Ghostlin. WIFOM. play is like cop.
22. Flip Analysis
23.monster. HAMMAR!!!
24. TM MUST BE SCUM, SO NK ILLOGICAL>!!!!
25.Hiplop was easy pickings, explain situation
26. parrot. Johog scum gut. random target
27.ALL SE's are ICeligible.
28.null-and -void. SCUMSCUMSCUMSCUMSCUMSCUMSCUMLYNCHTM>
29.REPTITION FTW!!!!!!
30.TM IS ANTITOWNAKASCUM!!!!!LYNCHWITHFIRE
31.be selfaware. Morthas ISO.
32.Yamichan?
33.Answers to Morthas's questions
34.IhAVERUNOUT OF TALK!!!!

and for the hell of it.

Spoiler: BWKM iso

0.confirm
1.RVS
2.RQS
3.MORE RQS, vote to prove his point.
4.veryverywrong point.
5.early lurk claim
6.UNVOTE
7.IMpression upon TM, GREETINGS.
8.AVA GET!!!
9.NOT ACCUSING AnYBODY
10.scum know IAMTOWN.
11.TRYING TOO HARD TO BLEND IN
12.MORTHAS VOTE
flaked off.

[theamatuer]

Hey Johhog. Hey ConSpiracy.

I'll read through and post my thoughts.

Hai there. Let's hope our time together in this game will be longer than 30 minutes.

30 minutes..... he only lasted 5.

Original Roll String: 1d5

1 5-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

4nxi3ty's turn.

Spoiler: SoulBlade's ISO

0. confirmation post
1. PUNage RVS vote
2. RQS questions
3. Explaining RVS
4. Sorry for not posting
5.Too town is scum, BWKM vote
6.yesyesindeed
7. messed up tags
8. Self-voting? INTERESTING>
9. TM very suspicious, Ghostlin anaylze very carefully, mafia game of deception, CS is same as Ghostlin No VOTE BWKM

He then disappeared after I commented on this.

Spoiler: DH-star's ISO

1.hello post
2.SB was scummy. Hiplop is determined. Ghostlin WIFOM bad, TM worse, though TM not scum Aeryung tentative
3.post to seem your doing someting, weird vote
4.verge of voting Ghostlin. TM is suretown
5.PROD
6.oops NOPROD
7. no defense
Gone after day 2

Spoiler: kondi2424

0.hello
goodbye

[theamatuer]

I don't rage vote.
And an info lynch will lead us to lylo, which is dangerous.

[theamatuer]

Can you please discuss the possibility of CS or stels being scum?

It would help convince me to change my vote.

U don't need to answer me right away. You can take your time if that helps.

Isn't it ironic how you ask how the two main people that attacked me to be scum or not?
To me, you are the most suspicious still.
If you try to flake this off, it only helps my case, and could possibly cause a modkill which would help us get rid of one scum.

[theamatuer]

3 people flaked off this game already, and all after I posted my suspicions. If he does the same, then it is obvious that they flaked off because of my suspicions and therefore are scum.
I'm pretty sure he's scum anyways.

[theamatuer]

No, I'm saying that 4nx3ity is scum since all the previous people refused to answer my suspicions and got replaced.

[theamatuer]

the modkill was hoping that after he flaked, Darth would get tired of searching for the fifth replacement and just modkill the spot.
Ninja'd: I, to be honest, really don't care about his reads anymore. I attempted this on all his previous decessors, and they all flaked instead of answering. The slot is the most scummy thing here, and if you hold the slot, then why aren't you scum?

Also, I hope to post my ISO's on everybody at the pace of one a day, and so I hope nobody will lynch me then. If not, then 4nx3ity is scum.

[theamatuer]

the modkill was hoping that after he flaked, Darth would get tired of searching for the fifth replacement and just modkill the spot.

You... was hoping for a modkill? As town? Like 5 fucking hours after his last post? DIE SCUM DIE.

Not now, you idiot.

For the reads, I decided to do an ISO for each character each day, and I ended up doing Stels and 4nx3ity's.
You can read it, but I feel that for day 1, it was mostly attacks toward me and posts to escape prod range.
day 2, nearly the same, but the Morthas vote is strange. Voted for neutrality? That's scummish, but I'm expecting 4nx3ity to die first.
Which reminds me, I forgot to add that to the ISO, its on post 550 though.

[theamatuer]

Ah, some insulting too while you're at it scum?

My point is still valid, you're wanting a modkill if he flakes? And you're assuming that he will flake after like 5 hours?
---
As for your reads... you have nothing? You say that 4nx3ity is your only real read and that we others is unreadable?

No, I didn't finish reads as I don't feel like doing any more today. I've said explicity that I'll do one read/ISO per day.
And why not? kondi flaked in 5 minutes

[theamatuer]

We're not talking with others, and they can catch up anyways.

[theamatuer]

no, but it helps. Plus its 11:45 pm here. A read would take too much time.

[theamatuer]

I just did.
Probably because of my inferiority complex/ I said so somewhere before.

[theamatuer]

No worries good to have you back.

CS is my third suspicion as scum now that Ghostlin is dead, so I have no problem voting him.
But an L-1 at this point is risky, esp with CS gone for a week.

...explain pls

I expect to give people a chance to explain themselves before L-1, since this can help us gain valuable information. voting CS before his V/LA ends doesn't let him explain, and can increase the risk of somebody hammering prematurely.

@theam, why do you feel CS is scum? You need to be more elaborate on your thoughts because most of the time you write your suspicions, you dont give enough evidence nor is it even convincing enough for other people to agree with what you have to say. If you are town, give your fellow town members something they can really follow up on instead of a dead end. I get a weird vibe from you because you don't give enough information. You seem to be doing the most work out of all of us by number of posts but a lot of them are just not useful at all. You have to keep in mind that everyone is wary of eachother and just because someone states that they are town like you and me in the beginning, it's not very convincing if your actions and words don't make up for it. I figured this out once I put myself in other people's shoes. You say that 4xi3ty's slot is suspicious because people have ditched that position? What are the chances that all 3 people left because they didn't want to take responsibility of being scum? I can understand one out of three doing that, maybe 2, but the possibility of a third is really pushing chances.

Actually, I think I'll show you in the ISO later. I dont think that I stated that I am sure-town, though I know I am. For 4xi3ty, all 3 people left after I attacked him more or less, so that to me is suspicious.

[theamatuer]

I did it already. You only had 3 or 4 posts though, so its not much use anyways.

[theamatuer]

My computer screwed up and I have to write the ISO again.
In the meantime I ask who Con thinks is scum

[theamatuer]

Ummmm, I am town cause my rolePm said so, and if I was scum, then it would say so as well. I have no way to prove to you that I am 100% town until I am lynched, and I don't want to be. I am totally not an idiot though>.>
And by computer broke, so I am writing this by iPhone.
I suppose I could use WIFOM to prove that I'm town, but none of you will listen to that, would you >.<

[theamatuer]

beg real nicely?
give you two other people to consider?
kill myself and let you see the lynch scene?

[theamatuer]

I suppose I could use WIFOM to prove that I'm town, but none of you will listen to that, would you >.<

[theamatuer]

In situations such as the movie scenario mentioned above, one often may try to use what he knows of his opponent to make a better choice. However, in some cases this leads to recursive reasoning: "But that's just what he wants me to think, so I'll do the opposite. But maybe that's what he wants me to think, so I'll not do the opposite. But maybe that's what he wants me to think..."

In Mafia, the ability to determine a person's motives for their actions is a core element of Day play. However, a sufficiently self-aware player can make plays that look unmistakably Townish as scum or unusually scummy as Town. Thus, it is up to the observer to make a character judgment on whether the player really IS what they seem to be or faking it well.

WIFOM is arguably the most misapplied term in the Mafia lexicon, and for years the standard approach to has been to throw out any ambiguous evidence. This is not optimal, as WIFOM situations are generally not purely random. However, WIFOM arises precisely because someone is difficult to read, and the possibility of being wrong is inherent in making a choice.

Many times analyzing night kills is considered WIFOM, as only the killers can say with certainty why someone died. This is especially true when the kill choices were unexpected. At present, NK analysis is considered simply another possibly-reliable piece of evidence, neither useless nor authoritative.

yes I can.
I think I am the most unreadable player you could find.
plus I am definitely town.

[theamatuer]

Ok, I am town for several reasons. First of all, I have one or two specific targets as scum, and I examine others as well as them, but I do not cause my suspicions to be spread around much. I have been actively scumhunting recently and probably posted other stuff on purpose that has caused me to become the most conspicuous person here as well as most likely the number 1 scumspect for most people. I actively point out all my suspicions, and mostly help others out with their's. I have not used any logical fallacies that I am aware of in my analysis, and have pointed out several fallacies of others, some that cause me more harm than good.
Is that all you need? Cause I can't think of any more at the moment.

[theamatuer]

I finally finished CS's iso, despite my computer breaking down repeatedly. It is as if the computer itself didn't want me to do that, but it makes me more determined.

Spoiler: CS iso

0. confirmation post
1. RQS, BWKM vote
2. meta, Ghostlin vote
3. LYNCH GHOSTLIN, tm vote.
4. Quickhammer scum is good, but don’t do it.
5. internet stopped working
6. Don’t call me con, my English sucks, Self-hammering, tm scum, Ibarra nullscum
7. Selfvote WTF. Ghostlin is like knows both suretown, stop pulling newbcard Aeryung, vote scumspect.
8. SELFVOTE WTF. NEWBCARD PULLING IS SCUM.
9.selfvote no pressure, tm is scumscumscumscumantitownscumscumnottownscumlynch. Also, paradox is lurking.
10. I don’t give info on command. No finding connections
11.Dont lynch Ghostlin, lynch TM
12. I liek nitpicking, touché, your NITPICKING is SCUM. WIFOM, I like stels post
13. Ghostlin only looks contentless. Ghostlin is good tm tunneler, otherwise null. LYNCHTM!!!!!!!!!!
14.TMISSCUMSCUMSCUMSCUM.OBJECTIVENESSISSCUMEVERYTHINGHEDOESISSCUMk ill lay off him a bit. AeRyung copies hiplop.
15. flaking, hiplop join date is weird, AeRyung is forced null
16. I will not hammer, v/la.
17. Im late, TM is random, Johhogs anticlaim policy like. Ghostlin is town PR, play bad, theam buddying to hiplop, DH-star lacks reads. Scum roleclaim scum, aeryung case, morthas strawman, null, TMSCUM
18. strawmanning, nothingtosayness is scum, cops don’t take firm stances and post fluff.
19. ad hom. Scum self-claim for fun. Johog wut.
20. AeRyung calls me scum...
21. you still contradict
22. I guessd wrong. Buddying
23. scum don’t want to lynch you, NK analysis is dangerous. Day 1 coasts.
24. lurking. Only experienced people can lead is wrong, hiplop should not be killed, or TM VOTE USELESS.
25. Johhog posts too much irrelevance.
26.NOBODYLIKESYOU. SHUTUPANDGETLYNCHED. Noresponse. I don’t post less than needed.
27.explain. question is useless.
28.laziness is not the answer, why do you still think I am scum? Difference between amount of obvscumtells. People that always make scumtells are scum.
29.v/la next week
30.the irony, sarcasm,

CS's posts feel weird for some reason, but I can't put my finger on it.

[theamatuer]

this isn't an analysis as it is more of a summary of what they said. It helps me and others to assess their actions. but yeah, CS posts feel contradictory somewhat.

Original Roll String: 1d3

1 3-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

[theamatuer]

If theam is scum one interesting event was the D1 bandwagon on him. Only three people decided to leave their votes...... CS, Stels, and ghostlin

VOTE: THEAM

RAWR

Town post.

yes, for all posts that participate in my death are town.[/quote]

Johhog´s posts seem contentless to me (apart from the theam vote).

For all posts that do not help my death are contentless.

I think I figured out what's wrong here. He pops up, says to lynch me, does some other stuff that still routes back to me, and goes back to V/LA.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.
I'm still thinking 4nxi3ty's going first.

[theamatuer]

EBWOP: I meant I'd vote CS but 4nxi3ty should go first.

[theamatuer]

EBWOP(again): before anybody says anything, Note that 4nxi3ty's post is completely about me here.

Here is my initial read on D1:

It makes sense that hiplop was killed cause the only person he was attacking got lynched. Hiplop wasn't really tied with anyone else so the town doesnt get info from the NK.

Theam gives off the most scum vibes, constantly switches his attitude toward players and seems to be trying to distract the town. Even if he is newbtown his rage votes could be easily manipulated by scum. A theam flip will give us the most info at this point.

fos CS and Stels for distancing.

If theam is scum one interesting event was the D1 bandwagon on him. Only three people decided to leave their votes...... CS, Stels, and ghostlin

VOTE: THEAM

RAWR

The bottom part is definitely about me, the fos is more of telling those two to be more active than suspicions, and the first is giving a reason for Hiplop's NK, whereas I said before what might cause it, it was ignored much, and with the new one, people will no longer think that scum have anything to do with this.

Plus I don't think I posted any rage posts. I expect you to post 1 or I cannot believe you on that part, thus making your post having little to rely on, and therefore a scumpost.

But yeah, CS says all that lynch me are suretown, so all you scum better hurryup if you want an easy victory.

[theamatuer]

Compare it to AeRyungs first post on why hiplop and I could be scumbuddies on day 1.
If that's true, I wouldn't have said that.

.........what?
so you're saying AeRyungs post is town since it is wrong and you're town?
If not, then we could consider it as another NK reason, assuming CS is scum.
Johhog's case is probably right though.
4nxi3ty's posts are all about me. Not that I'm nothing to consider about, but I really wish he'd bus someone else.
And to be honest, I don't think I can hold off 3 SE's accusations very well. I doubt I'd survive, but I'll try posting as much info as possible.

My ISO's probably won't be able to be finished as well. My life is getting annoying and I'm only 11 posts done with Aeryungs.

[theamatuer]

Spoiler: CS iso

3. LYNCH GHOSTLIN, tm vote.
11.Dont lynch Ghostlin, lynch TM
13. Ghostlin only looks contentless. Ghostlin is good tm tunneler, otherwise null. LYNCHTM!!!!!!!!!!
17. Im late, TM is random, Johhogs anticlaim policy like. Ghostlin is town PR, play bad, theam buddying to hiplop, DH-star lacks reads. Scum roleclaim scum, aeryung case, morthas strawman, null, TMSCUM

CS's posts feel weird for some reason, but I can't put my finger on it.

<.< ^.^ >.> potraying CS as town, yet saying u are suspicous of him.

You are a L-1 because your actions and reasons condradict.

Aside from that, Stels is being unsually quiet recently. willing to switch my vote to him if there is a good reason.

no wait
......
.....
....
....
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PORTRAYING CS AS TOWN???

[theamatuer]

what does bus mean anyways and why is that a scumslip? I assumed it was similar to wagoning.
Also, why do you post whenever I'm not around? It's as if you ask questions and you do not want me to answer them

[theamatuer]

Bussing is the act of distancing yourself from your scum partners, usually by helping to lynch them (and hopefully playing a major role in convincing others that they are worthy to be lynched).

GODDAMNNIT >.< I really should stop using vocabulary I am not sure about.

Oh well, as long as 4nxi3ty is considered as scum and lynched.

[theamatuer]

cause CS's posts are so attackable.
Plus its hard to defend against 3 SEs, like I said.

[theamatuer]

So I'm surescum here, right?

[theamatuer]

huh. Well, better hurry, cause you're going to have no more scumreads soon once I get lynched and flip town.
I expect that this would mean that CS and Stels are surescum and that 4nxi3ty will be completely ignored and win as scum

[theamatuer]

I suspect on day 3, 4nxi3ty will claim cop to explain previous people flaking, and call one of CS or Stels scum, peferrably the most suspicious, I don't know which. Someone would vote, and 4nxiety + other scum will jump in and win the match.
Should I do anything before I get lynched?

[theamatuer]

Oh right. Here's my bah post, and I expect someone to quote it when day 3 comes

Bah, go everybody except scum and 4nxi3ty because

[theamatuer]

dunno, probably someone like CS. 4nxi3ty tries to talk about him, but it seems forced, and 4nxi3ty seems intent on not getting connected with CS or Stels

[theamatuer]

waitwutwhy?
You've yet to explain your previous stances too

[theamatuer]

Not worth it. you're assuming that both both would be on V/LA here. Also, if CS is scum, scum wouldn't NK him, now would they?

[theamatuer]

especially if I am scum and CS is scumbuddy. CS cannot and would not kill himself here. Other may just kill someone else just to bring suspicion to CS

[theamatuer]

I expect the possibility of faking V/LA.
WE need a test.



CONSPIRACY IS ROLECOP IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!>!!HPOGHIOGEYGEWOGFEWOEWFGOWEFYGOEYFGWEIYFGO
VOTE: ConSpiracy
we make him to L-1, see if he's there, and if he isn't, quickchange to me and lynch.
...actually, he is L-1 now, right?

[theamatuer]

Actually, its a test to see if he watches this thread, you can post during V/LA, the second part is limited access, but still access.
And yes, but no one is listening to me and this needed to be done, lest you falsely assume he is town without a proven statement.

RC reason is quite stupid actually.

Vote: COnsPiracy

for that avatar.

Con's eagerness to promote folks to L-1 early seems to be partially dissonant to his 'Don't Quickhammer' stance. (Reasoning: L-1 increases the chance of quickhammering---reason why you avoid it in RVS.)

First:

Call me CS dammit!

I hate the abb Con.

ibarra, COP=cop
Cs hates being called con.
con cop= rolecop= mafia rolecop
Actually, the basis could be placed on just Con here, as Ibarra is definitely random. but yeah. Little to no basis and flimsy proof. I held this in till now just to provoke a response from him

[theamatuer]

And he was L-2. I think. We need a votecount.

[theamatuer]

Ummmmm ok then.

So is this good or bad for the town? for me?

and are you going to test him? or not?
Ninja'd: its bad for me then. K.
But yeah. So who is this "more experienced scumbuddy" you are talking about. I assure you it was a fail, and I planned on never saying it until the possibility that CS was a rolecop, which I'd rub it in his face.
Yes. I found this during my first reread. I put it together to CS=rolecop, yet I now that at most it would be a random vote/accusation, aka scum at the time I found it, aka end of day 1
ninja'd: Morthas? why not stels?

[theamatuer]

I'm starting to wish you will be NK'd, even though you are mostly town and will definitely be important in D3.
that's how angry I am here.
Seriously though, doc should protect this guy
also, L-1, so yeah

[theamatuer]

I hope there is a doc. It's the only way you'll survive.

[theamatuer]

Also, I hope you realize what I'm doing here

[theamatuer]

Well,
If you are town, you will be the most help-
Ful person out there
Obviously the scum will target you. Also don't answer to anything you find here. Wait a
minute. Think about what I have done in the previous several posts in this page, and what happens when you combine these

[theamatuer]

STELS: if you are there do not lynch me till the midnight of Pacific time Today. Johhog needs to notice, and I can't risk loosing this chance of a gamble.

[theamatuer]

Yeah. If anyone wants to lynch, they should do it now for Johhog's Gambit. Of course, I will not participate since I am not scum, and so even if CS is scum, the other is most likely not on V/LA and a lynch will happen. So yeah. My vote on CS was to test wether or not he could go online.
I'll go back to my original vote .
VOTE: 4nxi3ty

[theamatuer]

can you give me your reads when i turn town?

[theamatuer]

Also, I'll be V/LA for approx. 17 hours due to my flight starting from 1 hour 30 min from now
But then again, would this matter?

[theamatuer]

To be honest though, the only one who'd care enough to lynch me is Stels, so you're going to have to wait till monday

[theamatuer]

Day3, please lynch 4nxi3ty first? Pleeeeeaaaaasssseeeee?!?!?!?!?!

[theamatuer]

Yes I am.
You know, you could just forget lynching me altogether and kill 4nxi3ty instead
But yeah, morthas is probably not scum. Hard to tell if he never posts though

[theamatuer]

I said so before. I found this at the end of day 1, and didn't say so since I didn't think it was a breadcrumb.

[theamatuer]

I'll claim, but I'll doubt it'll change anything.
Roleclaim: vanilla townie.
Also, 4nxi3ty has yet to answer the other questions. This irks me somewhat
*waits patiently for the end, drinking tea*

[theamatuer]

Also, youhave yet to say about CS here, and why a L-2 is making you uneasy.

[theamatuer]

Free

town

scum cred to the one who hammers!

FTFY

[theamatuer]

Hello morthas.
you have now gone onto johhog's surescum list for being the first person to vote after his

trap

post and for lynching a townie.
Good luck, sir

[theamatuer]

hmm... im okay with the early hammer plan

makes day 3 more fun

.

He should be killed for this.

[theamatuer]

Gg scum
Man that last part was so close

[theamatuer]

Though the fact scum didn't quickhammer meant that Johhog was probably more scum than anx

[theamatuer]

Where do you mean?

[theamatuer]

Successful rolecop