New York 138: OxyMoron Mafia :: Game Over!

Johhog · Post Post #4 (isolation #0) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:11 am

/confirm

I claim Mafia Roleblocker-Rolecop-Godfather. I also have an alternative Jester wincon which makes me win if I get lynched.

Johhog · Post Post #8 (isolation #1) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:00 am

VOTE: Johhog
Because self-voting in pre-game is funny.

Johhog · Post Post #30 (isolation #2) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:27 am

1: Why do you play Mafia? I dunno really, I got linked to it from another site.

2: How old are you? 24

3: How would you describe your general thought process? Generally I look at people as teams instead of individuals. I try to look at people in possible scumteams.

4: What is your time-zone? GMT+1, now in DST GMT+2

5: How do you approach unique problems in need of solution? I try to be creative and test different things.

6: What is your favorite precious metal, and why? Silver, but I dunno why. I just think it looks nicer than gold for example.

7: How would you approach this game as town? Try to scumhunt, rereading a lot (I tend to do that).
8: How would you approach this game as scum? Play like TwoHeadedBoy in There Will Be Bloodshed. Awesome game. 8)

9: What is your gender? Male

10: Are you nervous? A little, my first non-newbie game.

11: What is your experience level? It is Night 4 in a newbie game I'm playing right now, I've also played on other sites.

12: What are your strongest emotions? I tend to get angry pretty easy, guess I'll just try to keep cool.

13: What's your general activity level? High activity.

14: What is your plan in this game? To catch scum and lynch them.

15: Which do you prefer: RVS, RQS, or other? (If Other, please explain.) RVS.

16: Do you have a reputation? What for? For being quite aggressive.

17: Do you prefer playing as town, scum, or other? (If Other, please explain.) Town.

18: What are your favorite three roles? 1. Vig, 2. SK, 3. Cop
19: What order are those favorite roles in? See above.

20: What is your stance on lurkers? They shouldn't be lynched, but it is really a despicable way to play and imo you shouldn't play Mafia if you're a lurker.

21: How do you plan on catching scum? By rereading. Much.

22: What do these questions mean to you? Quite fun to answer, even more fun to look at other people's answers.

23: What is the airspeed velocity of a coconut-laden swallow?

African or European?

24: You see someone waving their arms and directing you to go right. How do you respond? I ask them why.

Johhog · Post Post #31 (isolation #3) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:28 am

mastin2 wrote:
Johhog:
Are you familiar with either Haylen or myself?

Why do you think that? Nah, I've read a couple of your games (I enjoy reading completed games) and Haylen greeted me when I was a newbie. That's all I think.

Johhog · Post Post #75 (isolation #4) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:53 am

mastin2 wrote:
Johhog wrote:
mastin2 wrote:
Johhog:
Are you familiar with either Haylen or myself?

Why do you think that? Nah, I've read a couple of your games (I enjoy reading completed games) and Haylen greeted me when I was a newbie. That's all I think.
Have you read any games from 2009?

Hm, I

think

so (would be kinda strange if I hadn't) but I'm not sure.

Johhog · Post Post #93 (isolation #5) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:45 am

You guys know what? This is [REDACTED] just like [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED]. Also, [REDACTED] is [REDACTED] [REDACTED] and [REDACTED].

Johhog · Post Post #96 (isolation #6) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:50 am

Fool_Hardy wrote:There... got to say, that's some introduction to my first mafia game!

Fool_Hardy wrote:...on this website... dear oh dear.

Hehe. Are you aware that Large Normals like this one can take several months to complete?

Looking forward to play with you at my own home pitch so to speak.

Johhog · Post Post #97 (isolation #7) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:50 am

And btw, nice avatar... but what is it?

Johhog · Post Post #101 (isolation #8) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:54 am

HAHAHAHA. You're declaring your nationality quickly Fool_Hardy.

Johhog · Post Post #105 (isolation #9) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:01 pm

I just saw a film that apparently was filmed in Scotland. It's called The Eagle, and it's pretty awesome.

Johhog · Post Post #109 (isolation #10) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:05 pm

Oh. I'm disappointed now (I imagined every guy on P&B looked like those tribe warriors).

Johhog · Post Post #114 (isolation #11) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:12 pm

This made my night. Awesome. Beware though - I got ABBA jokes, you will get haggis jokes.

Johhog · Post Post #119 (isolation #12) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:25 pm

Fool_Hardy, I think I should warn you for Mastin. Slightly relevant, click on your own risk
Yeah Mastin, I managed to dig this one up from the dark archives. Awesome.

Johhog · Post Post #121 (isolation #13) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:30 pm

I'm not doing reads in pre-game, sorry. Don't think that pre-game is that much readable

Johhog · Post Post #125 (isolation #14) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:41 pm

Neither did I, uh.

25A: Why one of them? I play for fun, but I still play to win.

25B: Yeah, they should.

Johhog · Post Post #139 (isolation #15) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:37 pm

I said I wasn't going to out any reads during pre-game, but I have to say that Vifam is darn scummy.

Good night.

Johhog · Post Post #189 (isolation #16) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:46 pm

Wait wait why are you jumping on me while I'm sleeping?

I have no clue when you did read that Vifam (that I was online) but I wasn't. When I said "good night" I read on another forum for maybe 4-5 minutes, refreshed this forum, saw David's post, turned off the computer, so again I have no clue how that could happen. Decay before it is refreshed?

At least I've now tried to differentiate the stupid things Vifam said and the scummy things Vifam said.

Vifam wrote:
mastin2 wrote:

Vifam:
Why did you join a new (Large) game despite asking to replace out of a (Mini) game?

I hate rereading and those games were booooooooooooooooooooring.

Stupid, for obvious reasons.

Vifam wrote:
mastin2 wrote:
Vifam:

Vifam wrote:7: How would you approach this game as town?

Make some use with completed games and just overall meta for the first time. Maybe.

8: How would you approach this game as scum?

POE scumhunting
Are these backwards? (Reading 3-5 now.)

No, they're exactly where they need to be.

Playing with POE townreads as scum is usually the best way to go about things.

Strange/scummy. Indeed it seems like you flipped the answer of these questions and it makes me quite nervous, it looks like you say pre-game "I'm going to look scummy if I'm town so please don't vote me.".

Vifam wrote:
David Xanatos wrote:Probably not. Did love your unreasoned OMGUS vote though. May come back to it.

There is nothing to "comeback" to there, it's the RVS stage.

So it's impossible to find scum in the RVS?

Vifam wrote:David is scum, by the way.

I see we have a hypocrite here. You give no motivation whatsoever why David is scum, but you want me to post scumreads when I'm asleep? Wtf?

Vifam wrote:
David Xanatos wrote:Doesn't change the OMGUS nature. :3

And you claim you don't like re-reading, so you joined a large game?

I can't reconcile that logic. Larges have more to re-read..

Doesn't matter, it's the RVS and a "OMGUS" is not a sign of alignment.

I do hate rereading, but not if the posts are interesting, and like I said, I like the player list.

No, it's just anti-town and overall bad.

And I don't like how you justify everything with "Hey guys, it's RVS, I can say what I want!".

Vifam wrote:I guess I see your point. Since I just realized something thanks to it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Johnog

Johhog wrote:VOTE: Johhog
Because self-voting in pre-game is funny.

And even after saying I am "darn scummy" he still leaves a vote up on HIMSELF.

And at the time he was still online so he would have

-Enough time to explain his scumread on me
-Enough time to do a simple Unvote: Vote:.

I can't decide what the hell this is? It should've been obvious that I turned my computer off after I said "Good night". You didn't see it Vifam? Also it is the pre-game, so votes don't count, but if you so desperately want a vote fine. UNVOTE: JohhogVOTE: Vifam

Is that justification enough Vifam?

Johhog · Post Post #191 (isolation #17) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:49 pm

What hydra is Xeras btw?

Johhog · Post Post #193 (isolation #18) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:52 pm

Oh, you are just posting in blue bold for da lulz? I see.

Johhog · Post Post #194 (isolation #19) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:06 pm

Vifam, why don't you answer to my case? You've had plenty of time now.

Johhog · Post Post #196 (isolation #20) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:17 pm

Not only for hydras, just that it's more usual that hydras is using it. You can use it, it's fine.

Johhog · Post Post #200 (isolation #21) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:00 am

Can you please get an avatar?

Johhog · Post Post #203 (isolation #22) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:08 am

...but the second post, was that also Jordan or was it Haylen who said that Jordan forgot the orange text?

Johhog · Post Post #206 (isolation #23) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:37 am

The most important thing here imo is that Vifam claims that I was on-line when he wrote his post, when I clearly wasn't. You really believe that I did ignore your post Vifam? You really think that I would make a huge deal out of it during pre-game if it was true? If so you're fucking terribad, so let's hope that isn't the case. Also, someone more experienced on the site, how long is the delay before you are taken off the online list? This may be good to know so we know if Vifam just made a mistake or Vifam is lying scum.

Johhog · Post Post #211 (isolation #24) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:49 am

Then it is delay. Srsly, what reasons would I have to lie about this?

Johhog · Post Post #212 (isolation #25) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:50 am

Do anyone know if I was on-line through the night btw? I didn't shut-down my computer fully that night btw, I put it on standby with this thread open. Don't think that should make a difference though.

Johhog · Post Post #214 (isolation #26) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:55 am

So I shut my computer off around maybe X:40, you posted on X:42 if I remember correctly. Anyone who know the mechanics on this site and how long you look online after you logged out? Wait, Vifam (or anyone else), say when you are ready, and I will log out. Then you can check the time.

Johhog · Post Post #217 (isolation #27) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:58 am

Hm, but I didn't close the browser, I kept it open and put the computer on standby. Anyone with experience about that?

Johhog · Post Post #218 (isolation #28) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:58 am

Sure Vifam, I will keep my computer on standby for fifteen minutes from now.

Johhog · Post Post #222 (isolation #29) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:14 am

Now I'm back.

Johhog · Post Post #223 (isolation #30) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:23 am

Wait, I just realised this proves my point completely. Awesome. It apparently took 6 minutes before it showed me as off-line.

Johhog · Post Post #225 (isolation #31) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:32 am

Yup, but I said I refreshed a couple of minutes later, maybe around X:40, and I saw David's post.

Johhog · Post Post #240 (isolation #32) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:54 am

Secret Project wrote:
Estyn wrote:
Secret Project wrote:
Estyn wrote:VT...

Estyn wrote:Stating your reads on each person and joke claiming are completely different things, i don't see the connection

1. Joke claiming? So you're NOT a VT?
2. I think the point was that claiming gives scum more useful NK information than stating reads.

You've misquoted me there, the joke was the "...Oops you said don't" part, not the part where i stated a role

You can't joke claim though and expect us not to wonder. The punchline might not have been the claim but the joke involved it. It matters in the same way that RVS votes are important. For instance, why did you joke claim VT? You could have joke claimed anything.

Wow, why are you pressing Estyn so hard? I jokeclaimed too (or did I

) but you haven't asked me anything about that, why not?

Kyle: Yeah I know. It's proven now, it took 5-6 minutes for me to get logged out apparently. Btw, David isn't from P&B is he?

Johhog · Post Post #244 (isolation #33) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:06 am

Fool_Hardy wrote:Not as far as I'm aware...

There's a few David's on there right enough, but I don't think any of them have come over here for a game.

Looking at the game so far; I really don't think there's anything to take from any of the postings so far. Everyone seems quite keen to create conversation (and by implication, argue) but there's nothing of any great substance to suggest that anyone has any kind of role. Nobody who has confirmed is flying under the radar, and I feel everyone is playing the game in a similar way.

I'm always most suspicious of people who point out loads of different players as potentialy mafia (there's one or two falling under that umbrella at the moment) but nothing particularly outlandish.

As for your last part, I tend to do this no matter if I'm scum or town and I can honestly not see what's wrong with it. I tend to look at players as teams instead of individuals.

Btw you are reading town to me so far along with Estyn and Foolish Fool. Vifam is scummy. That's all I got right now.

Johhog · Post Post #247 (isolation #34) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:13 am

Fool_Hardy: Hm... do you prefer the RQS (Random Questioning Stage) to the RVS (Random Voting Stage) then or do you want something else?

Vifam: I really hope you are scum and not stupid. Save my skin from what? From your case build around me not answering your question when I'm asleep? I fucking proved it takes 5 minutes to log out. Test it itself if you want to. I'll just say one more thing dude, Occam's Razor. WHY THE HECK would I pretend to be off-line to avoid answering a question which I will still have to answer next day, in the pre-game. I can't see how that makes sense.

Johhog · Post Post #250 (isolation #35) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:16 am

Vifam: But I'm not. Why are you trying to back off when you are losing? Saving your own skin, eh? AND THE FUCKING POINT IS THAT I WASN'T ONLINE. RTFT. Test it yourself if you don't believe me.

Johhog · Post Post #251 (isolation #36) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:17 am

Fool_Hardy wrote:If I had to choose between the two, Random Questioning Stage would be my choice. Asking and answering questions is where it's at. I think anyone with a bit of game play savvy wouldn't fall for a random vote, so I think that's a bit of a waste of time.

RVS can still be useful to determine people's reactions when getting voted, at least that's my personal stance. I prefer the RVS, but who says you can't mix it?

Johhog · Post Post #255 (isolation #37) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:24 am

Vifam: No I'm not. Please read my posts, it tend to work. I never implied you edited that list. But you don't think that it is proof enough that I "signed off" five minutes later (I assume)? The point is that it is a delay.

Who is online? wrote:(based on users active over the past 5 minutes)

You don't think that is proof enough? You really think I would in the pre-game intentionally pretend to be asleep? OMFG. MOAR VOTES ON VIFAMSCUM, PLEASE.

Johhog · Post Post #257 (isolation #38) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:27 am

I know, it's obvious it is the forum software, but Vifam is refusing to acknowledge that, and he is SO scummy all the time, so I'm confident in my vote.

Johhog · Post Post #261 (isolation #39) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:37 am

Fine. I'll let it rest for now. But I WILL come back to this later (yes, seriously) and you are my top scum read. For me the interesting part wasn't whether I was on-line or not during that time, the interesting part was your response and your actions after it.

PEdit: #206 isn't your "huge defence", is it? That post is not convincing me at all and you are essentially just saying the opposite to my points.

Vifam wrote:Can you explain WHY I am scummy other then the "timeframe" thing

The same to you. Why am I scummy?

Johhog · Post Post #263 (isolation #40) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:40 am

Attention? Attention? Are you referring to your "pressure" on me when you told me to explain my scum reads? Are you fucking kidding me? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Johhog · Post Post #264 (isolation #41) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:41 am

Oh I get it now. Ofc I refused to answer, pretended to be asleep, and then I sat awake the whole night to come up with an answer to this

terrifying

pressure.

Johhog · Post Post #269 (isolation #42) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:48 am

/inb4 Vifam is just the VI. If you really think that I'm not responding to your questions, get some glasses. You are scummy as fuck, and that you refuse to accept it doesn't magically make me town. LOOK ON MY FUCKING POSTS, ISO ME OR SOMETHING INSTEAD OF BEING RETARDED. You really think that would be attention for me to run off crying, pretending I'm asleep? This is... you must be from EM or something.

Empking: Oh yes I think it is. Very much so.

Johhog · Post Post #270 (isolation #43) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:50 am

redFF wrote:This argument is stupid. I think it's weird how defensive Johhog is getting over a pretty shitty reason to call him scum. If i was him i'd just be like lol this argument is stupid, but he even went so far as to try and prove he wasnt online at the time.

Yup. It would be stupid to not prove it when it took like 15 minutes to do. I also try to recruit more people into my glorious case to lynch the fuck out of Vifam.

It should be obvious that Vifam is either:

A) Scum
B) A newb
C) An idiot
D) An EM player
E) All of the above

Johhog · Post Post #272 (isolation #44) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:51 am

Secret, it is scummy of you to note that. Why would town note that and make it easier for scum to hunt down the PRs?

Johhog · Post Post #275 (isolation #45) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:54 am

redFF wrote:
Empking wrote:Mastin; Why didn't you notice that I didn't answer one of your questions?

this post is a towntell because it shows you are actively trying to find out whether people are false or not. That's what I'm getting. TBH you seem like one of the only people scumhunting in this game right now :S.

That's actually a good call.

Johhog · Post Post #277 (isolation #46) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:56 am

Wow, stop being dumb please.

1) LOOK AT MY FUCKING POSTS.
2) READ THEM
3) ???
4) PROFIT.

Johhog · Post Post #278 (isolation #47) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:57 am

And you honestly think that I would fake off-line just to get that "heat" who wasn't even ANY HEAT AT ALL off me? Just answer me, do you seriously think that I would do that? In the pre-game and all?

Johhog · Post Post #281 (isolation #48) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:04 am

I already have, that's why I told you to read my posts. Are you kidding me?

Hm, to quickly pick 10 scummy posts by you I'd say (ISO) 6, 8, 12, 13, 14, 23, 30, 31, 36, 39 and I don't want to explain them further as I've already done that.

Some of these might be VI posts though, I dunno. Why am I scummy now?

Johhog · Post Post #282 (isolation #49) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:04 am

Vifam wrote:
Johhog wrote:And you honestly think that I would fake off-line just to get that "heat" who wasn't even ANY HEAT AT ALL off me? Just answer me, do you seriously think that I would do that? In the pre-game and all?

There WAS some heat on you, my question wasn't because I had some kind of townread on you, you know it, I know it. I don't know why you're acting like this question was asked with no thought that you were scum lingering in your mind.

There was no heat at all on me, and you know that.

Johhog · Post Post #284 (isolation #50) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:09 am

Divert attention? Scumslip much? It is (ofc) not heat just because you intend it to be. Your "case" on me is not scaring me at all.

Johhog · Post Post #285 (isolation #51) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:09 am

And please answer why I'm scummy again so I can headdesk a little more.

Johhog · Post Post #287 (isolation #52) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:17 am

The word you choose to use "Divert" when I just said you is scummy is indeed a scumslip, yeah.

Johhog · Post Post #288 (isolation #53) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:17 am

And stop ignoring my questions. This is getting annoying.

Johhog · Post Post #291 (isolation #54) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:21 am

Yes, but you apparently don't. Here is a lesson for you:

Merriam-Webster wrote:Definition of DIVERT
intransitive verb
: to turn aside : deviate <studied law but diverted to diplomacy>
transitive verb
1
a : to turn from one course or use to another : deflect <divert traffic to a side street> b : distract <trying to divert her attention>
2
: to give pleasure to especially by distracting the attention from what burdens or distresses
See divert defined for English-language learners »
See divert defined for kids »
Examples of DIVERT

Police diverted traffic to a side street.
The stream was diverted toward the farmland.
They were charged with illegally diverting public funds for private use.
He lied to divert attention from the real situation.
They're only proposing the law to divert attention from important issues.

Origin of DIVERT
Middle English, from Middle French & Latin; Middle French divertir, from Latin divertere to turn in opposite directions, from dis- + vertere to turn — more at worth
First Known Use: 15th century

Johhog · Post Post #292 (isolation #55) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:21 am

I'll try this one last time: Why am I scum?

Johhog · Post Post #294 (isolation #56) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:24 am

You're not getting my point at all, right? I directed attention on you. You deflected away attention from yourself to me in a very OMGUS way.

Johhog · Post Post #295 (isolation #57) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:25 am

Johhog wrote:Why am I scum?

Is it easier to read in wall-format Vifam?

Johhog · Post Post #297 (isolation #58) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:30 am

No, you are the one who don't know what divert means, or am both me and Merriam-Webster wrong? Please stop ignore my questions now.

Johhog · Post Post #301 (isolation #59) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:33 am

Webster is indeed right.

You are indeed wrong.

And I'm the one contributing here, you're just running around OMGUSing and making up poor cases.

Johhog · Post Post #302 (isolation #60) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:34 am

Vifam wrote:I don't know how you manage to still not know what a word means after finding the definition.

Are you schizophrenic? Talking with yourself is NOT a good sign.

Johhog · Post Post #306 (isolation #61) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:39 am

Vifam, are you scum?

Johhog · Post Post #308 (isolation #62) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:53 am

Jolly good.

Johhog · Post Post #310 (isolation #63) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:01 pm

I think that Vifam is null-leaning town. I did half believe he was scum, half fished for a reaction. I got none, and he answered my questions in a pretty good way.

Johhog · Post Post #313 (isolation #64) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:14 pm

Yup, I do think that I needed to do what I did.

For the record I really thought he was scum from the start, so it wasn't all a reaction test, that grew with time.
I'm also one of those "crash-and-burn" players, so for me it doesn't really matter if I look scummy as long as I catch scum. Unfortunately I didn't this time.

Johhog · Post Post #315 (isolation #65) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:21 pm

Wrong, I'm pretty sure that I called him scum first, not that it matters anyway. I'll leave Vifam now and focus on someone else.

Johhog · Post Post #318 (isolation #66) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:24 pm

Not at all, my point is that I don't really care if I get voted/lynched (will ofc try to avoid that though) if I just find scum. As town the worst thing isn't to get lynched, as long as your faction wins.

Johhog · Post Post #319 (isolation #67) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:25 pm

Foolish Fool wrote:
Johhog wrote:Yup, I do think that I needed to do what I did.
For the record I really thought he was scum from the start, so it wasn't all a reaction test, that grew with time.
I'm also one of those "crash-and-burn" players, so for me it doesn't really matter if I look scummy as long as I catch scum.
Unfortunately I didn't this time.

Why are you so sure you haven't caught scum?

I'm not

sure

(why did you think that) but I think it's very unlikely right now. That can of course be subject to change however.

Johhog · Post Post #321 (isolation #68) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:31 pm

I suppose I did word it incorrectly then. I don't think Vifam is scum though.

Johhog · Post Post #323 (isolation #69) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:40 pm

How? Please tell me how I should've worded it, English isn't my native tongue.

Johhog · Post Post #326 (isolation #70) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:43 pm

Foolish Fool wrote:
Simply saying "I probably didn't catch scum this time" or "I don't think I caught scum this time"

No, that's not what I meant. I meant that I didn't catch scum this time, which I didn't. Wait I'm rewording this.

Johhog · Post Post #327 (isolation #71) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:46 pm

I mean that I didn't catch scum this time, as in "Vifam doesn't appear to be scum after this pressure", not that he isn't scum (but I don't think he is). Fuck I'm tired. Do you guys understand at all what I'm trying to say here?

Johhog · Post Post #332 (isolation #72) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:57 pm

Maybe, you do mean it look like I said "Vifam is confirmed town", right?

Johhog · Post Post #335 (isolation #73) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:01 pm

Foolish Fool wrote:
It looked like you were assuming something you couldn't know for sure unless you're scum

Um, yeah, got it now.

I kinda like David's play so far. This makes him town in my eyes, scum usually won't want attention this early.

Johhog · Post Post #339 (isolation #74) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:18 pm

Guys, I'm going to bed now. Please don't get any ideas Vifam. >_>

Johhog · Post Post #464 (isolation #75) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:31 pm

Holy shit five new pages. Awesome.

Johhog · Post Post #466 (isolation #76) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:32 pm

1. Empking - Town
2. Kcdaspot - Scum
3. Estyn - Town
4. Xeras - Null
5. Foolish Fool (Haylen + JordanA24) - Town
6. mastin2 - Null leaning town
7. Vifam - Town, now even more after those last 5 pages
8. BomberMan - I have know clue wtf he is doing (actually he is reminding me of myself quite a bit) but I guess null leaning scum.
9. Fool_Hardy - Null leaning town
10. David Xanatos - Town
11. Oversoul - Probably town
12. MintKitten - NONCONFIRMER
13. whiTE_Teaz - NONCONFIRMER
14. LordChronos - Town
15. Johhog - Obvtown
16. LTP Mafia - Null
17. Secret Project (evilpacman18 + MrBump) - Scum
18. donkwich - NONCONFIRMER
19. lewarcher82 - NONCONFIRMER
20. redFF - Null leaning scum

Johhog · Post Post #468 (isolation #77) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:33 pm

My reads on Kcdaspot and BomberMan may in fact be subject to change. I have no clue how I should read them.

Johhog · Post Post #470 (isolation #78) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:37 pm

Having that said, I will by policy UNVOTE: Vifam (didn't realise I still voted him), VOTE: Oversoul even while he is reading town to me.
Selfvoters must die. If he is scum, we're lucky. If he is town, he is playing against his wincon and should GTFO if he doesn't unvote now.

Johhog · Post Post #488 (isolation #79) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:38 am

Foolish Fool: I don't intend to lynch him as there is scummier people. My vote is more a way to tell him "Unvote. Now" and if he does I will unvote him. The same thing if he gets force-replaced, I will unvote if so.

Johhog · Post Post #501 (isolation #80) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:33 am

^scummy. I actually won't unvote right now after that post. You really think it's acceptable to selfvote to "prove" that you're town? That looks either VI or scum motivated.

Johhog · Post Post #503 (isolation #81) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:50 am

Lolwut? You couldn't do anything except selfvote? Stop the justification, selfvoting can never be good during these circumstances.

Johhog · Post Post #505 (isolation #82) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:55 am

Why did you play against your wincon, assuming that you're town?

Johhog · Post Post #528 (isolation #83) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:05 am

Bomberman is a failwagon
UNVOTE: OversoulVOTE: Secret Project
Let's do this.

Johhog · Post Post #531 (isolation #84) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:08 am

You fools, stop voting Oversoul. We'll deal with him later, let's bandwagon Secret Project recklessly instead.

Johhog · Post Post #532 (isolation #85) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:09 am

Vifam wrote:All these fucking counterwagons.

Someone do a manual vote count.

I won't, but this brings up an interesting question:

Where the hell is CMAR?

Which brings up another interesting question:

Where the hell is sorasgoof?

Johhog · Post Post #534 (isolation #86) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:19 am

EVERYONE VOTE SECRET PROJECT.

BANDWAGON CHOO CHOO.

Johhog · Post Post #540 (isolation #87) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:06 pm

Because SP is scum.

Bandwagon choo choo.

Johhog · Post Post #542 (isolation #88) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:08 pm

ISO him or something then, and you shall be enlightened.

Johhog · Post Post #544 (isolation #89) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:20 pm

...so let's vote SP, or let's at least focus on one wagon.

Johhog · Post Post #570 (isolation #90) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:43 am

I do, most of my scumreads are on it.

Johhog · Post Post #574 (isolation #91) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:58 am

I have scumreads on RedFF and kcdaspot, null leaning scum on Bomberman and town on Mastin.

Johhog · Post Post #577 (isolation #92) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:05 am

And how that does that make him town?

Johhog · Post Post #578 (isolation #93) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:05 am

Btw, where the fuck is CMAR and sorasgoof? We would really need one of them now.

Johhog · Post Post #582 (isolation #94) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:09 am

Vifam wrote:
Johhog wrote:And how that does that make him town?

It doesn't make him scum, either. TBH, I think he is actually making a genuine attempt at scumhunting, that's really the vibe I'm getting from him.

That's not what I asked. You must have a reason for putting him down as town, or he would've been null. But because he is trying to scumhunt you say? Fine.

Johhog · Post Post #583 (isolation #95) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:09 am

Vifam wrote:EBWOP:

Kcda's play so far has been to out of space to be scum, in my mind.

Ouch no, this argument is extremely bad. WIFOM at it's most basic form.

Johhog · Post Post #590 (isolation #96) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:39 am

I think they have to out themselves, but I'm not sure, and if the mods don't know it they can't do anything about it.

Johhog · Post Post #591 (isolation #97) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:39 am

Oh shit I get it, you're thinking about Bomberman, right?

Johhog · Post Post #598 (isolation #98) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:22 am

One of the reasons is your tunneling on David, but mainly it is because you call Oversoul "sad town" then not even a day later you do a self voting stunt and vote Oversoul.

Johhog · Post Post #618 (isolation #99) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:37 am

Vifam wrote:What did you want him to say?

"Thank you for unvoting"?

This.

Johhog · Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:42 am

How did you expect him to react, other than the above "Thanks for unvoting"?

"YOU FUCKING IDIOT, DON'T UNVOTE ME!"?

Johhog · Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:47 am

I want Mastin's input on this. Who is scummy? Who is town?

Johhog · Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:49 am

David Xanatos wrote:I'm not sure if you're an idiot or if you're trolling.

Why should Town be concerned about who does or doesn't suspect them, beyond answering any questions/responding to points.

If someone votes me, asks questions, and unvotes after I answer, the natural assumption is "I answered what he wanted to know, he now understands my stance and his concerns were abated". The natural reaction is not "OMG THANK YOU FOR UNVOTING <3<3<3".

Who was this post to?

Johhog · Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:50 am

And I want Mastin's input because he is a player like everyone else (albeit very good) and he hasn't been posting for some time. Not because I intend to sheep him or anything if that is what you think.

Johhog · Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:09 pm

Lol, you actually can't see that I think he's town because of the argument?

Johhog · Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:10 pm

Also it's a bad sign that Bomberman is starting the game like this, as an alt. We probably have one of the less loved players with us here.

Johhog · Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:10 pm

Vifam wrote:
redFF wrote:
Johhog wrote:
Vifam wrote:What did you want him to say?

"Thank you for unvoting"?

This.

wow you guys are awful friendly now after your argument..

What do you want me to do? Beat up his family and push him down a hill?

It's a social game.

OSHI-

Johhog · Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:17 pm

Are you implying that DonJosh is Bomberman or that I would beat up DonJosh's family?

Johhog · Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:18 pm

Wow, that is a good catch. VERY GOOD CATCH.

Johhog · Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:20 pm

Oversoul wrote:
Johhog wrote:Are you implying that DonJosh is Bomberman or that I would beat up DonJosh's family?

I am dyslexic, sorry.

I meant Johhog, better watch your back.

If DJ was Bomberman, he would be modkilled.

Oh. I suppose it's actually me who can't read. My version was funnier though.

Johhog · Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:21 pm

Oh gahd. Rereading.

Johhog · Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:21 pm

Yup I'm a moron. No clue how I missed that.

Johhog · Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:23 pm

Oversoul wrote:Better watch your back, DonJosh.

Wait, I didn't get this until now. YOU CONFUSED ME WITH DONJOSH? AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH[/rage]

On a game related note, Bomberman is confusing me. I dunno how to read him.

Johhog · Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:45 pm

Can we all vote SP now?

Johhog · Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:54 pm

I can't see Bomberman as scum as he's acting irrational and hard to read. I can't see him as town or indy either, he is giving us zero to work with.

Johhog · Post Post #712 (isolation #115) » Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:08 am

UNVOTE: Secret ProjectVOTE: redFF

I'm not getting a wagon on SP, so let's try this instead.

Johhog · Post Post #714 (isolation #116) » Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:21 am

^totally right.

More votes on redFF, please?

Johhog · Post Post #722 (isolation #117) » Fri Aug 05, 2011 6:05 am

And we can also add that I only said "good call" not that you were town or posting good.

Johhog · Post Post #727 (isolation #118) » Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:11 am

Estyn wrote:
redFF wrote:oh whoops i only ctr+f redff in his posts derp. Still he only said that after i called him out on saying he had a scumread on me. tbh i actually think that right now scumteam is oversoul
johhog SR
and
vifam
lol...

So i just checked your posts and i can't see any time before now where you have said you thought the people whose names i bolded are scum. And as soon as they vote for you, you now think they're a scumteam? "You guys have voted me so you must be scum" Is what this comes down to...

This is right in so many ways. I see desperate scum omgusing here.

Johhog · Post Post #728 (isolation #119) » Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:12 am

Also, I was far from convinced that redFF was scum and it was sort of a reaction test when I voted him (which is why I didn't give any reasoning) and he kinda failed the test. OMGUSing in a terrible way and being overall scummy isn't good if you're town.

Johhog · Post Post #736 (isolation #120) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:08 am

Foolish Fool wrote:
...where is everybody?

I'm here as always. I'd still like Mastins input here, I know he's posting in other games.

Johhog · Post Post #737 (isolation #121) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:09 am

Secret Project wrote:
And yeah, there were only like four posts overnight and usually it's arund five pages. Where's our mod, too? There hasn't been an official vote count yet...

This this this. If CMAR and sorasgoof is going V/LA on the same time, can't they at least get an emergency backup who makes votecounts?

Johhog · Post Post #749 (isolation #122) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:48 am

No fucking way I agree with that.

You're overall town, but you have to realise that redFF is a much better wagon, he contradicted himself and even outright lied.

Johhog · Post Post #754 (isolation #123) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:23 am

Excuse me for having a hard time to focus on this game, I just got hardcore trolled in MD. Sorry.

PS redFF is scum.

Johhog · Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:59 am

Yeah Xeras, that makes no sense whatsoever. If you want easy votes, you would do just like you did now - hop on a wagon without reasoning.

FoS: Xeras

This wagoning and the crappy justification of it.

Johhog · Post Post #769 (isolation #125) » Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:23 pm

*sigh*

4 days and 6 hours since last Mastinpost. Any odds on how likely it is that he flakes?

And yeah, he's even posting in NY137.

Johhog · Post Post #773 (isolation #126) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:20 am

Can't we at least get a good wagon instead, like on redFF or Xeras?

Johhog · Post Post #775 (isolation #127) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:46 am

UNVOTE: redFF
VOTE: Xeras

I guess we-who-don't-want-to-quicklynch-Oversoul shall be united. Let's try this wagon instead then.

Johhog · Post Post #781 (isolation #128) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:56 am

redFF wrote:
Johhog wrote:UNVOTE: redFF
VOTE: Xeras

I guess we-who-don't-want-to-quicklynch-Oversoul shall be united. Let's try this wagon instead then.

wtf ur voteswitching and randomly trying to start bandwagons. What is going on. I almost feel like you are oversoul's scumbuddy trying to swing the lynch but that would be too easy :O

I almost feel like you are Xeras scumbuddy trying to swing the lynch but that would be too easy. :O

I love all this OMGUS, from both redFF and Xeras. Awesome.

Johhog · Post Post #782 (isolation #129) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:57 am

And why on earth is Xeras assuming he will get lynched when he have around 3 votes?

Can we get some more votes on Xeras now so his predictions comes true, please?

Johhog · Post Post #783 (isolation #130) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:06 am

Oh, forgot to add, redFF, do you really think that bandwagoning is anti-town? If so I can tell you that it really isn't.

Johhog · Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:54 pm

Xeras wrote:
Estyn wrote:
Xeras wrote:

If I were voting anyone on day one for the sake of easy voting, I vote in the minority.

What do you mean by you vote in the minority? Vote for someone with no votes?

One of the easiest ways to avoid suspicion on day two is to be sure you are not on a bandwagon that includes a lynched townie. ^^

I came up with in in my first game, but never followed through with it.

Wait wait wait. Why do you assume that Oversoul is a townie? I thought he was scum along with me and Vifam?

Confirm vote: Xeras

This is the wagon of the day, and I'd like to see more votes this way.

Johhog · Post Post #798 (isolation #132) » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:23 am

Can I has Xeraswagon, please?

Johhog · Post Post #806 (isolation #133) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:38 am

Is there any risk for the game being abandoned altogether at this point or will we get a new mod if CMAR disappears?

Johhog · Post Post #810 (isolation #134) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:07 am

This sucks. I guess this game will be abandoned right? Would be hard to save it now with like 5 active players.

Johhog · Post Post #813 (isolation #135) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:12 am

It still does. Quicklynching redFF or Xeras doesn't look so bad though.

Johhog · Post Post #830 (isolation #136) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:13 pm

I'm here.

Can I has Xeraswagon now?

Johhog · Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:37 am

Bomberman, Kcdaspot and lewarcher all requested replacement.

Johhog · Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:39 am

Wat ze fuck?

I don't remember anything of this game but apparently it's still going. I'm gonna say a very scummy thing now, but I believe I have to: I don't remember who I suspected. Not at all. I will probably try to find scum from the posts after this one as I'm not in the mood of rereading 36 pages.

Johhog · Post Post #897 (isolation #139) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:09 am

Vifam was scummy, no doubt about it, but his reaction was town. projectmatt, what do you think is wrong with admitting that you're wrong? I don't like your "catch-up post" and btw, insult me somewhere else, asshole.
Granted, I could've been nicer but that's always my problem - I'm way too honest and genuine. And Matt, I won't even answer to your "case".

Johhog · Post Post #905 (isolation #140) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:09 am

Empking wrote:Hop: Since884

Ahem, I'll assume you mistyped. What post did you really mean?

Johhog · Post Post #908 (isolation #141) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:18 am

Lolol Emp. Oh well, I can't even respond to that, so let it be so then.

Hoppster: Because post 884 that he's referencing was one very crappy post, and even if he agreed with Matt's case I can't see why post 884 would convince him.

Johhog · Post Post #910 (isolation #142) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:29 am

Wait, since when do we have to explain why we

don't

vote anyone?

The truth is, I don't know. He's not giving me any scum vibes right now. Not town vibes either but... well...

Let's see after a couple of pages more, let him post more first.

Johhog · Post Post #913 (isolation #143) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:39 am

After quickly glancing at his ISO, I'll have to admit you're right.

Well, fuck it, I don't care if it's looking scummy and I want something to happen.

VOTE: David Xanatos

TRY TO LYNCH ME FUCKERS. I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FAIL CASES.

...which sounds a lot like David. >_>

Johhog · Post Post #915 (isolation #144) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:24 am

projectmatt wrote:Hi John. Why don't you answer the question I posted at the end of the the last page that you ever-so kindly ignored? You disregarding all of my posts as trash because I think you are scum is arrogant player regardless of the alligment. If you think I should change and be pointed in the right direction, point me in the right direction. Until then, I think you are scum. And yes, I do think you were bussing Secret Project. Try to prove me wrong.

projectmatt wrote:And do you think my catch-up post is a lie completely because I marked you down as scum?

Is this the question you mean? If so, because you paint my town behaviour as scummy. I don't know what else to answer, but luckily I don't feel the need to say something else.

Johhog · Post Post #917 (isolation #145) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:19 am

Mainly my wagoning, reaction testing and also you're criticising policy votes and think they're scummy. I mean, really?

Johhog · Post Post #933 (isolation #146) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:22 pm

projectmatt wrote:
Johhog wrote:Mainly my wagoning, reaction testing and also you're criticising policy votes and think they're scummy. I mean, really?

"your wagoning"

You mean your random read that comes out of nowhere that consists of you telling everyone to join their wagon in all caps and then two seconds later you never mention this read again. (but you don't unvote, of course.) And you don't even mention this player in your LIST OF READS after you go for the wagon.

"your reaction testing"

You mean your subtle attempts to get Vifam quicklynched out of anger when he does nothing scummy in particular? The three page wall-of-text flamewar that you get aggressive in for no particular reason is a reaction test?

"your policy votes"

Lynching the lurkers, the VI's or the people you don't like is anti-town. Why? Because it doesn't mean you are lynching the scum. It means you are lynching the people you don't like, not the scum. That's playing against your win condition.

So yeah, I mean, really.

You're seriously opposed to wagoning? Noted. And you can't even pretend that you thought I wanted to quicklynch Vifam. Hilarious. Policy VOTES. Learn to read my friend.

Anyone who wants me to respond to Matt's whole

piece of crap

"case"?

Johhog · Post Post #935 (isolation #147) » Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:47 am

Will respond to it then.

Johhog · Post Post #936 (isolation #148) » Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:58 am

projectmatt wrote:Page nine. I
retract
my town read on Johnhog for an overly defensive and just completely terrible attempt at a case on Vifam. I have a fairly strong town read on Foolish Fool for seeming genuinely interested in catching the scum, but I guess it's more of a gut read. He just has this feeling about him that makes me believe he is town. I am trying to post roughly every ten pages just so I can stay consistent with my thought process.

Ergo, reads as of the start of page nine:

Town: Empking, Foolish Fool,

Scum: Oversoul, Johnhog

Lolfail. It never crossed your mind that I wasn't trying to build a case on Vifam?

projectmatt wrote:Page 19:

Argument between Johnhog and Vifam is one of the most pointless things I have ever had the displeasure of reading in my experience of playing mafia. I think Vifam is town after it, though. I think Johnhog sounded way too desperate to prove that he was in fact not looking at the thread, and he over reacted so badly it makes me want to quicklynch him. Oh, and accusing Vifam of a scumslip based off of nothing is even worse. +scum points to him. Also, please do not insult EM players. It is my home.

Johhog wrote:Vifam, are you scum?

What the
fuck was the point of asking this?
This was after the big argument. He doesn't focus on any other player aside from Vifam, he doesn't give reads, he doesn't show interest in scumhunting. He just wants to stir up trouble. Biggest scum read so far. I don't buy the reaction test.

Other notes: I like David's stubbornness. A lot. Bomberman's condescending attitude annoys the fuck out of me. You aren't smarter then anyone else by using insults. Please don't pretend to be. I'm thinking he is town though. Oversoul throwing in the towel was a somewhat towntell. Though, judging by the post directly above me, it doesn't look like he actually did. He is null until I examine further play.

Johnhog: Stop being a pretentious douchebag. Quoting the dictionary to prove a point? Really?

Vifam: Can you pay more attention to other players please? I dislike it when it's a wall of text singled on only two players.

Mastin: Why did you have a town read on Johhog on page 13?

Town: Empking, David, Bomberman, Vifam, KDCA(?)*

Scum: John, Mastin, Oversoul(?)*

*reads that I am only somewhat sure on

Desperate? Even more fail. You wouldn't take the time to prove that an accusation was totally invalid if you had the chance to? And I insult EM players all that I want. Sorry if you take issue, but if you look at the forums the EM players is usually bad (yes I'm an EM player too so I believe I have some sort of right to complain about EM).

And well, that question to Vifam was a light joke, I decided the test was over. I could say the same about you Matt. You're tunneling, you're acting like you have a case on me when you have nothing and your whole behaviour is anti-town. Also, you "don't buy" the reaction test? What the fuck do you think I was doing then?

Your a VI though and not scum, this is a typical failcase from town. Also, a protip: stop being an asshole.

projectmatt wrote:Back to reading.

No i haven't played with emp before.

secondly, really?

I will not attempt to use meta too much, but this is just a plain out lie. I have been in games with KDCA where KDCA has played and interacted with Empking. Read: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 52&t=17571 Not saying this is scum, but I wanted to point it out.
'

Having that said, I will by policy UNVOTE: Vifam (didn't realise I still voted him), VOTE: Oversoul even while he is reading town to me.
Selfvoters must die. If he is scum, we're lucky. If he is town, he is playing against his wincon and should GTFO if he doesn't unvote now.

This is an anti-town post. Don't tell me it isn't. The goal is to lynch the scum, not to lynch the people who you think are playing badly. If this is the case, why didn't he lynch Vifam after thinking he was a VI earlier? Johnhog is scum. And Vifam is town.

Johnhog later stated he was just voting Oversoul to get him to unvote, and that there are scummier people to unvote. He then preceeds to unvote Oversoul and guess what? Not vote or question anybody.

I also am getting scum tells from Secret Project for attacking Oversoul for selfvoting. Those kind of players who don't look for scum need to be lynched. Right away.

Town: Vifam, KDCA, Foolish Fool, Empking, Bomber, David

Scum: Mastin, Oversoul, Johhog, Secret Project

One more update post coming up. Then I will be caught up fully and promptly put a vote up.

At least listen to me ONE TIME. Policy votes ain't scummy, because they're POLICY. Meaning I would vote him if I was town, I would vote him if I was scum. That's policy.

projectmatt wrote:
Johhog wrote:EVERYONE VOTE SECRET PROJECT.

BANDWAGON CHOO CHOO.

Bus. He's emphasizing on this wagon specifically because he wants credit for lynching his scumbuddy. This is a bus because he makes another two quick posts telling everyone to join the wagon in caps, then never mentions it again.

Johhog wrote:I have scumreads on RedFF and kcdaspot, null leaning scum on Bomberman and town on Mastin.

Hey, where did that scum read on Secret Project go? It didn't go away because Johh had not unvoted prior to this post. It means he was BUSSING.

Xeras wrote:
Vifam wrote:THE AURA OF THAT POST READS TOWN HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNG.

Lolzzzzzz.... no.

My case against Oversoul has already been briefly touched. One, self voting is retarded, no matter what the circumstances.

GODAMMIT GUYS. STOP LOOKING FOR VI TELLS AND START LOOKING FOR SCUM TELLS.

And I want Mastin's input because he is a player like everyone else (albeit very good) and he hasn't been posting for some time. Not because I intend to sheep him or anything if that is what you think.

Scum. In. Panic.

Also, the town is fucking retarded. That will be the only insult I lay this game, but I'm saying it to everyone because I'm pissed off that you spent the time discussing replacing out rather then actually looking for scum or noticing an obvious bus. Play the game.

-inhale-

I want to resurrect this game. I feel excited about my reads in this one. I feel excited about nailing the scum. I'm encouraging everyone to be active here because this game clearly lost it's momentum. I am building it back.

I am now caught up with the thread, and here are my finalized reads:

Town: Vifam, Xeras, KDCA, FoolishFool, Empking, Bomb, David

Scum: Johhhog, Mastin, Secret Project, Oversoul, RedFF, Fool_Hardy

Let's get the ball rolling.

It didn't go away because I didn't have a sure scumread on SP, I was just trying to bandwagon (which is painfully obvious for everyone except for you).

Also, I can't remember if I was the one who wrote the post about VI tells, but my argument is completely valid and your "scum in panic" stance is - well, idiotic. Why do you want to lynch the VI's instead of the scum, if I may ask?

Oh, almost forgot, you're having a scumread on the guy you replaced. Normally scummy, but tbh I think it further proves that you're a VI.

Johhog · Post Post #937 (isolation #149) » Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:59 am

And yeah, that's the non-existent "case" which is just discrediting my behaviour and twisting my words. Why did you feel the need to do this Matt?

Johhog · Post Post #939 (isolation #150) » Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:05 am

Policy VOTES not policy LYNCHES.
...
OK, that's it. I won't even answer you anymore.

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:25 am

Gut, mainly. To me his posts doesn't look fabricated, they're just fail - much like Vifam and possibly Xeras.

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:46 am

Make a case then, Vifam or anyone else. Please give me something I can respond to.

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:50 am

I don't see any case.

And why do you not want me to defend myself?

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:11 am

Sweetie, you're missing a few points:

1) I'm town.
2) There is no case.

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:16 am

projectmatt wrote:I listed my replacement as a scum read to see who would notice it and in what way they would react to it.

Ehh kinda. Bad excuse is BAD.

projectmatt wrote:Are you going to keep calling me un-intelligent because I figured you out?

Oh great Matt, I'm scum and I don't know what to do now that you without any reasoning pinned me as scum. You have to be the god of Mafia!

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:41 am

Ah, Vifam and Matt is probably VI's. Beware though - if one of them flips scum the other one is probably scum too. They're both vig targets.

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:44 am

^The above is an awesome reason to vote someone. "LOL" is from now on the reason I will always use when I vote.

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:45 am

Ah, feel free to vote me but don't quicklynch me - let me claim first (if not Matt and Vifam is even dumber than I thought).

I hate you too Matt, I'm not liking your attitude.

redFF: LOL

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:47 am

Bomberman replacing out is actually quite scummy. I would say one of him or Kcdaspot is scum.

PEdit: Apparently it's Hoppster and LLD now.

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:47 am

projectmatt wrote:
Johhog wrote:Ah, feel free to vote me but don't quicklynch me - let me claim first (if not Matt and Vifam is even dumber than I thought).

I hate you too Matt, I'm not liking your attitude.

redFF: LOL

You are an idiot.

No, I am serious. I don't really care what alignment you flip right now. If you are scum, awesome. If you flip town, then I will feel legitimately bad for you.

Ah, stop being an asshole and play this game called Mafia.

Also, you're the guy who didn't like policy lynches?

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:52 am

Stop being rude, please. I'm not gonna let

you

, who replaced in, make

me

replace out. Nah, get rid of your condescending attitude now.

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:54 am

I'm fully aware of that. Can you stop with your bullshit now?

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:58 am

Everyone, note how the guy who went all "ZOMG policy votes is scummy" now is wanting to policy lynch me.

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:59 am

projectmatt wrote:What exactly am I bullshitting about, John? I honestly don't know what you want me to say. I called you out for being hypocritical by telling me to stop being rude. What was being discussed?

Meh, you're still not making a real case and you're just policy lynching. Also, you started with being rude to ME and you can bet that I'm not the guy who is ignoring insults.

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:05 pm

projectmatt wrote:
Johhog wrote:
projectmatt wrote:What exactly am I bullshitting about, John? I honestly don't know what you want me to say. I called you out for being hypocritical by telling me to stop being rude. What was being discussed?

Meh, you're still not making a real case and you're just policy lynching. Also, you started with being rude to ME and you can bet that I'm not the guy who is ignoring insults.

No. I gave you my case and my responses. You responded by calling me an idiot. You've been insulting me since I replaced, and I am attempting to ignore it but you kept doing it, and in case you haven't noticed, I have a weak spot when it comes to being insulted which pissed the hell out of me. I think you are scum.

Nah, you still haven't produced a case. I responded to that weak insult of virtual crap, but you didn't listen and just used the same arguments all over again.

Hoppster wrote:
Johhog wrote:Everyone, note how the guy who went all "ZOMG policy votes is scummy" now is wanting to policy lynch me.

I thought you had a failtown-read on projectmatt.

Yeah? That's failtown if anything.

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:07 pm

In short:

Matt, if you're town, do something productive.

If you're scum, CONFESS.

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:09 pm

Vifam wrote:YOU'RE PLAYING MAFIA.

Nah, I'm not. I wish I could get the chance, but Matt and his clique is determined to stop me from doing that.

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:12 pm

STFU Vifam.

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:15 pm

Can we please rename the thread to "Write a post and you will get a personal insult from Johhog"?

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:18 pm

I've already said that I will answer when you make a case. Until then - no.

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:21 pm

I'm pointing out his contradiction, and yes I find it scummy, but overall he's a VI, and VI's is usually scummy, right?

He's pissed off town, not pissed off scum.

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:46 pm

projectmatt wrote:
Lolfail. It never crossed your mind that I wasn't trying to build a case on Vifam?

..You made a case. On Vifam. About why Vifam was scum. But you weren't trying to build a case?

I don't even remember it, but I'm almost certain I haven't created a case yet. Point me out to the post in question, please.

Desperate? Even more fail. You wouldn't take the time to prove that an accusation was totally invalid if you had the chance to? And I insult EM players all that I want. Sorry if you take issue, but if you look at the forums the EM players is usually bad (yes I'm an EM player too so I believe I have some sort of right to complain about EM).

There's a difference between retorting an argument and sounding like you would do anything you ever could possibly do to prove that it was false. You were the latter example.

It was easy to prove - I just had to log off for 15 minutes. You wouldn't do that?

And well, that question to Vifam was a light joke, I decided the test was over. I could say the same about you Matt. You're tunneling, you're acting like you have a case on me when you have nothing and your whole behaviour is anti-town. Also, you "don't buy" the reaction test? What the fuck do you think I was doing then?

A joke? I thought you called it a reaction test? If you fill up several pages with meaningless banter and call it a "reaction test" I am not going to buy it, sorry.

That last question ofc, "are you scum?". The rest was a reaction test. If not a reaction test, wth do you then think it was? Trolling?

Your a VI though and not scum, this is a typical failcase from town. Also, a protip: stop being an asshole.

I am an idiot because I think you are mafia and I have legitimate reasoning that you have failed to retort? OK.

No, because you claim to have legitimate reasoning which you don't have. For example you seem to think that THIS is a case.

At least listen to me ONE TIME. Policy votes ain't scummy, because they're POLICY. Meaning I would vote him if I was town, I would vote him if I was scum. That's policy.

Policy lynches are anti-town. Explain to me how it isn't playing against your win condition. It's lynching someone who you don't think\know is scum, it's lynching someone who you don't like. It's stupid.

Hypocrisy. Ignoring that, policy lynches isn't policy VOTES.

Also, I can't remember if I was the one who wrote the post about VI tells, but my argument is completely valid and your "scum in panic" stance is - well, idiotic. Why do you want to lynch the VI's instead of the scum, if I may ask?

The self-explanation paired with the "IF THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK, OR SOMETHING" sounded panicky. You also ignored the part about Secret Project. Haha.

Um, what part about SP? If you mean the part when you said "ZOMG BUSSING" I can't answer that. What can I say?

Oh, almost forgot, you're having a scumread on the guy you replaced. Normally scummy, but tbh I think it further proves that you're a VI.

Go call me an idiot elsewhere. You know my case has legitimate value to it.

It hasn't.

And yeah, that's the non-existent "case" which is just discrediting my behaviour and twisting my words. Why did you feel the need to do this Matt?

Explain to me how I've been twisting your words or discrediting you. I am laying out what you've said and posting why it is scummy.

Every town thing I do, wagoning, reaction testing etc. you seem to think is scummy. Furthermore you're also presenting my question "are you scum?" to Vifam as if it was a part of my reaction test.

Is that enough?

Please go ahead and actually make a case now.

Johhog · Post Post #996 (isolation #173) » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:03 pm

So where is mah haters? BRING IT ON BITCHES.

I'm going to bed now, so please post a shitstorm that I can respond to tomorrow.

Good night,

//Your beloved Johhog

Johhog · Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:17 pm

projectmatt wrote:Your case on Vifam: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3305808

It's fine to go "ok, I will log off for fifteen minutes to prove it. Watch me." You just sounded completely SET to prove a point. That's all.

I don't think it was trolling, I just thought you were scum trying to stir up hell.

A policy vote leads to a policy lynch. A policy lynch requires policy votes. I see them as almost the same and about equally scummy. Get it?

All of the "town" things you do have scum motivation to them. That's what I'm pointing out. Do you understand it?

Ah, I'll have to admit that you're right. I completely forgot that case. And yeah, of course I wanted to prove it? I don't see what you're on about here.
And trolling wtf? Reaction testing is NOT trolling. Everything I've done in this game have a reason. I get what you mean with policy votes but sorry to say it, you're wrong. A vote is not a lynch. And I can agree that they're anti-town, but they're never scummy. Policy is policy, meaning I would do the same as scum or town. No things I've done has a scum motivation. I suppose I could be extremely intelligent scum playing a whole new scumgame which no one have tested before, but nah.

C'mon now Matt, you can do better than this.

Johhog · Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:03 am

redFF wrote:for reasons i cant go into, i really really really think davidxanatos is town, based on something i cannot talk about, but im sure vifam knows about it, but i can't talk about it, but i think xanatos is town.

Johhog · Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:18 am

Yeah, I get what you mean but tbh they're waaay too generic to make sense as accusations towards me, so I don't really know what to answer.

Johhog · Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:01 am

Johhog · Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:07 am

Johhog · Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:15 pm

Xanatos? Why?

Johhog · Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:24 pm

Nah. I

think

there's a scum on my wagon, and I think he's the one.

Johhog · Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:25 pm

EBWOP: Oh, you mean that Xanatos is town based on what Red said. I was talking about Red in my last post.

Johhog · Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:34 pm

What? Sorry, I'm not with you here, what do you mean?

Johhog · Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:37 pm

Yeah, exactly. I don't think that Xanatos is on my wagon.

Johhog · Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:36 am

I don't see it, but I have to trust you for now.
UNVOTE: David Xanatos
This probably makes redFF town too. :/
VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta
Non-poster. Will change it when I get a reasonable scumread on someone.

Oh, and Red, you probably have to explain why David is town either tomorrow or today, so we know it's not a scumgambit.

Johhog · Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:58 am

In post 1001, redFF wrote:i demand you to explain now its anti town to withhold information/analysis. plus u might die that night.

In post 1009, redFF wrote:for reasons i cant go into, i really really really think davidxanatos is town, based on something i cannot talk about, but im sure vifam knows about it, but i can't talk about it, but i think xanatos is town.

Um...

Johhog · Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:39 am

O_o

Well then. When will you tell us? You have to realise that I'm afraid this is a lolgambit from scum.

Or I'm just curious.

Johhog · Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:46 am

No fuck no. You realise that this can cause a modkill/force-replacement on you/redFF/David depending on what happened, right? FUCK!

Johhog · Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:10 am

I will beat you up badly if he said something like "I've not been scum the latest 10 games" and you believed it. Oh well, I suppose we shouldn't talk about this any more.

Johhog · Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:11 am

In post 1050, Empking wrote:OK. Everyone vote Johnog

NOW!

That's a fail wagon and you know it.

Also I request protection the following night and/or special mechanics that make me unlynchable.

Johhog · Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:19 am

In post 1054, Vifam wrote:WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT.

YOU WANT PR'S ON YOU?

What the hell kind of softclaim is this?

It's a terrible softclaim and I should be ashamed?

Johhog · Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:45 am

Perhaps you should now travel forward in time and unvote?

Johhog · Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:18 am

Thank you in advance.

Johhog · Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:10 pm

If you don't recognise that as a softclaim I'm giving up.

Anyone wanting me to straight out claim? I have no idea how to play my role but I suppose I shouldn't wait too long to claim.

Johhog · Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:46 pm

Because I don't see any viable lynch target and we need to find one, deadline is coming up in like a week.

Also, as I said, I don't know how to play my role but I think it would have several benefits to claim.

Johhog · Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:43 am

Fail.

So wait, you assume that I will lie about my role? What if I can prove my role (without saying too much, several PRs can do this)?

Johhog · Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:44 am

Yeah, I can certainly wait with claiming until tomorrow (and I would very much prefer that) but I supposed this was the way you wanted it. And yeah, if there is a doc/bodyguard/jailkeeper he should definitely be on me.

Johhog · Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:34 pm

No, I'm a crappy lynch. I'll claim early if I get one more vote, because we need to find a good lynch, and I'm pretty much unlynchable after my claim. I don't really know who is a good lynch though, so we need time.

Johhog · Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:48 am

Johhog · Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:29 am

I'm not the lynch of today. I can claim if you want to, but I'm a bad lynch (which is why I want to claim soon so we can find another one before deadline).