The Children of Húrin Mafia (GREAT REVIVAL)

[gandalf5166]

I think my claim is vital to my victory at this point. I'm Gandalf. I know-- Gandalf isn't in the Children of Hurin story. Apparently, I got stuck in a time warp after I fought the Balrog and before I was resurrected. So my mission is to survive and ensure the integrity of the timestream. Basically, I have to make sure the events in this game parallel those in the book. The problem is that I have no flavor knowledge whatsoever. Anyway, anyone wanna help me out?

[gandalf5166]

I won't bother defending myself from these preposterous accusations by Locke since after all, I AM GANDALF
My rolename is(get this) Gandalf. I'm so awesomely awesome, no one could possibly believe I'm scum. So at any point, I may declare this in the thread in bold. And I will be like a treestump the rest of the game, only I keep my vote and become a JOAT. Only it's a KH mafia style JOAT, where I can literally do ANYTHING, and it's unlimited-shot. Unfortunately, I can only do three actions each night.

I think my claim is vital to my victory at this point. I'm Gandalf. I know-- Gandalf isn't in the Children of Hurin story. Apparently, I got stuck in a time warp after I fought the Balrog and before I was resurrected. So my mission is to survive and ensure the integrity of the timestream. Basically, I have to make sure the events in this game parallel those in the book. The problem is that I have no flavor knowledge whatsoever. Anyway, anyone wanna help me out?

X

I thought people might bring this up. I swear, I'm being serious. I need help and I'm too lazy to use Google.

[gandalf5166]

Gandalf,

are you actually Gandalf in this game?

If you want to clarify, it's now.

My role PM says I'm gandalf. So I would assume so.

And yes, kanye, my wincon is not the same as town. I'm honestly not even sure if it conflicts with town though. once again, some flavor help would REALLY be appreciated.

[gandalf5166]

Gandalf, in that game you flipped

6. gandalf5166, Gwaihir the Eagle, Town Jailkeeper, Shot from Afar Night 1!

After getting vigged night one. What are you doing?

Yeah, in that one I was trying to breadcrumb.

I really don't know what I'm doing now. I could really use some help.

@Plum:

Were any of the roles in this game(aside from the seraphs) handpicked?

What does your win condition say, Gandalf.

It says I have to survive and make sure the timestream remains intact for my safe return. I'm paraphrasing, but the phrasing in my PM isn't any clearer.

[gandalf5166]

Oops, I think I messed up my tag there. Those two sentences aren't supposed to be bolded, just the @Plum.

[gandalf5166]

yeah im into a gandalf lynch unless he can in some way explain how his win condition is pro town. theres no reason to leave claimed third party alive.

Once again, I don't know. Heck, maybe at the end of the book all of the bad guys die and Hurin and his children live happily ever after except for like one or two that I have to make sure die. Once again, I'm looking for the same info you are.

[gandalf5166]

so why are you asking us instead of pming plum for a clarification on your win con?

unvote vote gandalf

I get the feeling that if Plum was going to clarify she would have.

I think Plum gave me this role just to fuck with me.

[gandalf5166]

Is there some kind of glitch with my computer? Why does shit keep getting bolded?

[gandalf5166]

Furc's summary doesn't make any sense.

[gandalf5166]

That doesn't make much sense, Gandalf, considering Plum would have to balance the game, and include a Gandalf, and If you didn't play, or replaced out, all the work could have been for nothing.

I didn't say she created the role to fuck with me. I'm saying she gave me the role to fuck with me.

Gandalf: What abilities do you have?

I don't want to reveal that. I am a JoaT of sorts. Mostly utility kind of stuff as opposed to like cops or vigs and such. I get the feeling each ability is supposed to have a specific use.


@Gut: I get the feeling that it's the net outcome that matters, as order of deaths would 1. be nearly impossible and 2. wouldn't really affect the integrity of the timeline. I sent a PM to Plum a couple of minutes ago.

[gandalf5166]

She said no comment.

[gandalf5166]

I am here for the next five minutes.

[gandalf5166]

Gandalf, what is the name in your role PM?

Gandalf.

[gandalf5166]

Gandalf, would you be able to tell what exactly the timeline is if you knew other names?

- Oversoul

What? I don't get what you're asking.

[gandalf5166]

There is NO WAY your role PM name is GANDALF. He DID NOT get that name at the time of this story.

vote: Gandalf

you are lying, your character, if Gandalf, would be called OLORIN. THAT IS HIS NAME AT THE TIME OF THIS STORY.

No, but I was called Gandalf when the Balrog killed me.

[gandalf5166]

Gandalf, are you told anything about the timestream?

- Oversoul

I would assume that what it means is that things have to end up the same way as they would have had I never come here, i.e. how they did in the book.

there IS no timestream. he CANNOT be gandalf, if his name is gandalf. Gandalf CANNOT EXIST in 2 places at the same time, can he? IT WOULD RIP THE SPACE-TIME-CONTINUUM.

he was alive, and was a maiar of manwe, and was called olorin
he is lying
lynch all liars
lynch gandalf 2011

This post is really lol. thanks for telling me Olorin exists at this point though. Do I need to worry about accidentally interacting with him, or is he not involved in the story?

Disclaimer: No flavor knowledge of this whatsoever.

Good.
Because if you, gandalf, and other flavor-ignorant idiots are the scumteam this should be a cinch.

LOL IF YOU END UP SCUM

Andy, your thinking is correct. Take this out of context of the last quote, I'm intentionally separating it from what it's referring to.

GANDALF5166: DO YOU KNOW HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO FULFILL YOUR WINCON? Aka, killin' Balrogs, etc.?
Or are you just floating in the water too?

No, I asked. She wouldn't tell me I do know I have to survive. I'm thinking that maybe some characters that don't have a huge impact on the future might not be important to my wincon.

as winning with scum = no-go as he'd get endgamed for sure.

what. third party can definitely win with scum, see: survivor and lyncher/reverse lyncher (what gandalf probably is)

I can see Survivor, true.
I can see Lyncher to Balrog, who might be Morgoth_Scum or might be a Lyncher to Gandalf.
Basically, I want to hear from him.
And then I'll decide.
Yes, its taking a risk, but I'd like to think I know gandalf well enough to know he wouldn't be all lulzy like this as hostile scum.
Because Gandalf_Lyncher is clearly out to get Balrog, who's CLEARLY not town.

That's something I hadn't considered, that maybe the Balrog had gotten transported back with me. If so, he's probably an SK, and he would probably be immune to normal kills. I do have one mystery ability, that might be what it's for.



Furc...... you're overreacting a little bit to three votes.

Unless...YOU are the lie!

The cake is the lie.

[gandalf5166]

I am not overreacting to votes when they have NO reason behind them, when I am adept at the subject involved (I just brought down my unfinished tales... which.... I have left unfinished after all these years), and I am actively scumhunting and calling YOU out on lying

But it's three votes, and you just flew into a rage over three votes. Regardless of any of that, it's only three votes.

[gandalf5166]

three votes, three votes, three votes? what is this, the wizard of oz? what are you repeating yourself three times for, some ruby slippers taking you home?

There was language in there. I decided to take it out, and the result sounds awkward.

[gandalf5166]

Gandalf, can you like for real admit you're not Gandalf in this game? There is no possible way that is the name of your character

Actually, this is getting boring. I'm in the same boat as Andy. I just figured I'd have some fun so I could do SOMETHING D1. I was planning on keeping it up longer, but it just got boring. I had a pretty unsubtle breadcrumb..... Look at the bolded parts of those first few posts, where I acted like it was a glitch. You get:
I really don't know what I'm doing now. I could really use some help(I think it's possible that there's some role that might be able to restore my memories, was trying to signal them). I think Plum gave me this role just to fuck with me.

[gandalf5166]

I don't believe Gandalf.

So you think that either I somehow knew Andy's role from the start, or that there really is some glitch where those two sections ended up bolded and they just happened to line up with Andy's role? Bullshit. VOTE: Empking

[gandalf5166]

That was the point. That'd how crumbing works, is you make it make sense in the context you're writing it in and in the context that you'll be bringing them up in. Also, what other serious explanation do you have for me making that fakeclaim in the first place? How does "I think Plum gave me this role just to fuck with me" not line up with Andy's role?

[gandalf5166]

Because my original claim is retarded. It's obviously a joke, and the only reason I think anybody believed it is that Andy said he did, and if I'm right, the only reason he did that is he saw my crumbs and knew I had the same role as him. Also, do you really think I wasn't capable of looking shit up on Wikipedia? No, that whole section of the thing was solely for the purpose of crumbing those three sentences.

[gandalf5166]

No, I'm claiming that I claimed a bastard role because I knew that if I didn't then D1 was going to be really boring, so I went ahead and breadcrumbed while I was at it. You need to keep in mind that I'm not playing to win at this point because I don't know how I'm supposed to win.

PEDIT: I did make one last crumb after Andy claimed, me telling Andy that his thinking was correct was me thinking that he knew my real role and letting him know he was right.

[gandalf5166]

I give more weight to scum likelihood under this scenario from those who actually played in Plum / Andy’s LOTR game (Spyrex, Kats).

I think this is a bad assumption. I think those people might feel MORE justified to vote me again, due to the WIFOM involved in me doing it twice in a row. And once again, i think the weird reaction from Andy is due to him realizing what my real role was and not wanting to reveal it. I'll let him speak for himself, but I think he was just trying to perpetuate the thing because he thought it was funny.

That said, I see where you're going with SpyreX.

Unvote
VOTE: Spy

Here's to hoping he's not my scumbuddy!

[gandalf5166]

Andy, my PM simply says that I do not know how I win. Hey Andy. Just because you don't know your wincon doesn't mean you should start playing like scum.

[gandalf5166]

@MB: I probably wouldn't have done it again if I hadn't received the role I did

[gandalf5166]

Someone asked: mockingjaye is not an alt. I've played with her a couple of times though, she's fine.

[gandalf5166]

Can people please explain WHY they don't believe me before they vote for me?

[gandalf5166]

Can people please explain WHY they don't believe me before they vote for me?

Which post(s) of yours are you asking why we don't believe? The first seven where you told a bunch of lies to breadcrumb a secret message to another player that may or may not have existed, or the ones where said player showed up, read through all the crap, found the crumbs, recreated a loaf of bread from them, and claimed a role that matches your claim, at which point you believed him, and came out with "the truth" about you our role and the previous lies?

Yeah, that. Explain how any of that makes sense from a scum perspective.

[gandalf5166]

So Oversoul is really asking for us to be vigged because we lynched him in another game. Vigs, if any of you make a shot based off that list I will find where you live and kill you in your sleep.

[gandalf5166]

Dear god, I hope you get sitebanned.

[gandalf5166]

I have one town game with kanye and one scum game. Is that reliable enough? I'll give him a read over later.

[gandalf5166]

Spy...... You can't just say Chrono. We have two Chronos in this game.

[gandalf5166]

Kats, he's probably confused because you're saying SitMOA II when you mean Wizards in the Sorcerer's Den, aka SitMOA III.

[gandalf5166]

LC is a lurker. And his main posts seem constructed in an attempt to make him look town. And kanye is being lynched for all that business with me.

Furc, you don't have a vote?

[gandalf5166]

The pointlessness is intentional. I'd rather not risk potentially voting off everyone on my scumteam but me and then recovering my memories and being absolutely fucked. I'll give opinions, but mostly I'm just trying to stay alive until I get my memories back. I might vote if you need it because we're getting close to deadline, but other than that, don't expect me to be a driving force. I think both of the current wagons are probably scum, if that helps.

[gandalf5166]

Did gandalf just claim scum or is that just me?

No, I claimed that I might be scum, and I'd rather not find that out shortly after pushing wagons on all my buddies.

[gandalf5166]

Unvote
VOTE: Kats

I trust Andy saying we're probably town.

And I have no flavor knowledge, as I haven't had time to read more than the very beginning of The Silmarillion, and when my dad lent me Children of Hurin, I was very little, just finishing my first readthrough of the original books, and I thought it was boring, so I never read it.

[gandalf5166]

And I have no flavor knowledge, as I haven't had time to read more than the very beginning of The Silmarillion, and when my dad lent me Children of Hurin, I was very little,

When was that?

I don't remember. I just remember it was a while ago, and actually, I think I made up the part about just finishing LOTR for the first time. It might have been later than that. I DO remember that I was finishing a readthrough of LOTR but considering I do that about every three months, that doesn't tell me much.

[gandalf5166]

All the Power Roles dying at night fit perfectly with Lovecraft flavour.

I don't even know if this is true, but it's still hilarious.

[gandalf5166]

I'm thinking Gandalf is a failed Jester. Someone kill him tonight.

If I was a jester, why would I have switched my claim? I was finally starting to build up a wagon.

[gandalf5166]

No, I was saying I don't know if it's true that it fit with flavor.

[gandalf5166]

Also, based on the sample role pm in the OP, you should know exactly whether or not you are mafia, regardless of flavor knowledge.

They're claiming not to know their role at all.

???

Oh god, are you fucking reading the thread? Fucking dumbass.

[gandalf5166]

And just a tip, me and Andy claiming the same role does NOT mean we have the same likelihood of being scum, idiot.

[gandalf5166]

And just a tip, me and Andy claiming the same role does NOT mean we have the same likelihood of being scum, idiot.

You don't know your alignment, but you know "you do not have the same likelihood of being scum"?
And I'm the idiot?
OK

My point is, just because we both said the same thing doesn't mean we're just as likely to be telling the truth.

[gandalf5166]

And just a tip, me and Andy claiming the same role does NOT mean we have the same likelihood of being scum, idiot.

You don't know your alignment, but you know "you do not have the same likelihood of being scum"?
And I'm the idiot?
OK

My point is, just because we both said the same thing doesn't mean we're just as likely to be telling the truth.

So one of you could be lying? Since I doubt you think you are, do you think he is?

No, but apparently you think it's possible one of us are. I'm speaking from your perspective.

[gandalf5166]

And no, don't think this means I've forgot about the Chrono twins. I wouldn't be said if they got conscripted to fight for my daddy as catapult fodder.

Unvote, Vote: Gandalf

Once again, why, as scum, would I have made the big fuss I did. And then how did I just happen to have a breadcrumb for Andy's role.

[gandalf5166]

Feysal: Is it fair to say that you'll always give town vibes regsrdless of actual role?

No. When he's scum you can usually tell.

[gandalf5166]

feysal is pretty likely scum. He's generally much more useful as town. I think the pissing match is an attempt to cover the fact that when he's scum, he usually doesn't have much to say.

UNVOTE
VOTE: FEYSAL

[gandalf5166]

GOD WHY DOES EVERYONE IN THIS GAME CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THE SIZE OF THEIR PENIS

EMPKING/MOI

SHUT UP

FURC/FEYSAL

SHUT UP

[gandalf5166]

Did I tell you two to shut up?

Just realized I had already been voting for Feysal when I changed my vote haha.

[gandalf5166]

Andy, that wasn't a troll post. Those four posters are causing me physical pain every time they talk to each other.

[gandalf5166]

Unvote
VOTE: Peregrine

[gandalf5166]

Hi, I'm town now. I am NOT Nineor/Niniel or whatever. And no, I'm not third party. And I can show you numerous instances where I have a history of openly claiming third party when I am(heck, I've claimed mafia traitor every time I've drawn it).

@MoI: I was lynching PV because he looked like the only person who was GOING to be lynched at that point, and he didn't look town(my scumread on him wasn't solid IIRC, but I had a feeling I'd be wanting to kill him later anyways). Do you have a QT with BOTH seraphs? Or just one side? I think you already answered this, but I forgot.

VOTE: Feysal

[gandalf5166]

I got it at the end of last night.

[gandalf5166]

Lol at Andy.

"i is has no exp with basterd gamez"

Feysal should be left alive. I see no reason to doubt his claim, and he's likely going to cooperate. I'mn pretty sure he's SK though, not survivor. Furc having a result on him that says he's not evil just means he's not mafia.

[gandalf5166]

Unvote

Keeping an SK on a leash is always a good idea, so long as they stay on the leash. And like I said, nothing Feysal's done has suggested he's breaking off. See Wizards at the Sorcerer's Den, where town only won because of an SK(who was played by Feysal, coincidentally) and a third party team that was half composed of SKs(I was one of the two who was an SK!)

[gandalf5166]

Although actually, our TP team was more damaging than an SK, because we only got points toward our wincon if we killed town. Killing scum was bad for us.

[gandalf5166]

Yeah. If not for us and Feysal, town would have crashed and burned. Badly.

[gandalf5166]

Well, I must have been activated by some other means. Maybe the seraph's ability is for something else. In fact, something else happened to me last night that might be related(I hadn't given it a second thought until now). Rather not say what it is though, I'll know more tomorrow, if it's relevant I'll bring it up again.

[gandalf5166]

Yeah, Feysal should be left alive.

@MoI: By that logic, vigs should never shoot.

@Andrius: I actually don't think that it could happen again. Once again, I'll get back to you tomorrow with more details, but until then there's not any point in fixating on it.

[gandalf5166]

That's my point. Feysal looks like he's cooperating with town. We direct him, if he doesn't cooperate then we lynch him. And had you left Gemini alive, she could have killed Nacho for you, lowering the number of days you needed to do the same thing. And yeah, they're likely to only end up killing town, but they're killing town that you were going to lynch anyways.

[gandalf5166]

That's my point. Feysal looks like he's cooperating with town. We direct him, if he doesn't cooperate then we lynch him. And had you left Gemini alive, she could have killed Nacho for you, lowering the number of days you needed to do the same thing. And yeah, they're likely to only end up killing town, but they're killing town that you were going to lynch anyways.

If we had left Gemini alive we probably would have lynched Town anyway so you were trading a SK life for a Town life. That accelerates the speed by which endgame would be reached. Granted there are MANY variables that make forecasting difficult.

I don't leave claimed Serial Killers alive unless you have a guarenteed scum lynch in their place. If you can provide me with one Gandalf I'm happy to listen. Otherwise we are probably done in this round and round.

BTW - Why did you only remember that little detail after both Seraphs said they didn't activate you?

I didn't forget about it, it just wasn't worth mentioning, and I hadn't considered that the two might be connected.

[gandalf5166]

WHAT SPY SAID

[gandalf5166]

I do suggest that we direct Feysal's kills. We don't want to get specific, but giving him a pool of three to choose from every night would be a good idea.

[gandalf5166]

Like Gandalf mentioned, I was a serial killer in Wizards at the Sorcerers' Den.

Feysal ... just a quick question - Didn't those games have a point system that rewarded goals and made it possible for mutliple factions to win?

If so I'm not going to bother with addressing your argument since it really doesn't apply to the standard Serial Killer wincon in games. And I have to consider you a Serial Killer who thought he was busted by the Seraphs and made a "Hey, I'm a quasi-friendly 3rd Party role" claim to stall for time.

Of course you may not be lying. I can't know but it would be against Town's best interest (and my Wincon) to not assume the worst and work from there.

Wrong. Even if he is lying, he's going to be behaving as if he weren't, which means there's no reason not to leave him alive.

[gandalf5166]

Wrong. Even if he is lying, he's going to be behaving as if he weren't, which means there's no reason not to leave him alive.

Gandalf ... you aren't changing my mind on a Game-play theory point. Especially with your ever convincing arguements

His kills are going to reflect the role he's pretending to be. So why would we lynch him?

[gandalf5166]

VOTE: kanye

[gandalf5166]

This princess just had a little princess of her own - so I'll be a bit out of commission for a few.

Congratulations!

[gandalf5166]

I'm aware he's probably site-flaked. I just find it interesting none of the people on his wagon mentioned it.

I ignore posting frequency when I make votes unless I specifically see them posting elsewhere and not here. Makes things simpler.

[gandalf5166]

A Sun and Moon lynch should not be considered based on what it is being considered now. NEWFLASH: WE DID A LURKERLYNCH DAY 1 AND MISLYNCHED. ALSO SUN AND MOON FLAKED ALREADY IN [REDACTED] SO "LURKERSCUM" IS PRETTY MUCH NULL.

Sun and Moon is a stupid wagon and those of you on it need to find the real scum. Or slip up yourselves, because these lurkerwagons have been OBVIOUSLY SCUMDRIVEN.

Sun and Moon is a hydra.

[gandalf5166]

Meaning Sun and Moon flaking in another game is irrelevant. I know I've seen Amrun active elsewhere.

[gandalf5166]

Unvote
VOTE: MoS

We still have time to turn around.

[gandalf5166]

This game is boring. Kanye needs to die.

[gandalf5166]

So vitamin got lynched and he's town? Good to know, I'll be reading up on the last few pages later.

[gandalf5166]

Guys, my role gives me a VERY good reason to want to have a pool of three-ish people Feysal will be shooting at. So unless Feysal posts in between now and lock and tells us differently, I'd appreciate it if he shot from Spy's list? Wraith or KKB? I don't know why I forgot about this up until now.

[gandalf5166]

Yeah, MoS is either retarded or scum. Go with kanye, S&M, and wraith. I have reasons for wanting espeonage alive that have nothing to do with his alignment. Just wait three days on that one.

[gandalf5166]

stfu, jester-scum.

Wait, you actually seriously still think that? Okay, so you're retarded. Good to know.