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I think my claim is vital to my victory at this point. I'm Gandalf. I know-- Gandalf isn't in the Children of Hurin story. Apparently, I got stuck in a time warp after I fought the Balrog and before I was resurrected. So my mission is to survive and ensure the integrity of the timestream. Basically, I have to make sure the events in this game parallel those in the book. The problem is that I have no flavor knowledge whatsoever. Anyway, anyone wanna help me out?-
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In post 13, Magister Ludi wrote:Gandalf, LOTR mafia wrote:I won't bother defending myself from these preposterous accusations by Locke since after all, I AM GANDALF
My rolename is(get this) Gandalf. I'm so awesomely awesome, no one could possibly believe I'm scum. So at any point, I may declare this in the thread in bold. And I will be like a treestump the rest of the game, only I keep my vote and become a JOAT. Only it's a KH mafia style JOAT, where I can literally do ANYTHING, and it's unlimited-shot. Unfortunately, I can only do three actions each night.
Gandalf Children of Hurin wrote:I think my claim is vital to my victory at this point. I'm Gandalf. I know-- Gandalf isn't in the Children of Hurin story. Apparently, I got stuck in a time warp after I fought the Balrog and before I was resurrected. So my mission is to survive and ensure the integrity of the timestream. Basically, I have to make sure the events in this game parallel those in the book. The problem is that I have no flavor knowledge whatsoever. Anyway, anyone wanna help me out?
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I thought people might bring this up. I swear, I'm being serious. I need help and I'm too lazy to use Google.-
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In post 17, Magister Ludi wrote:Gandalf,are you actually Gandalf in this game?If you want to clarify, it's now.
My role PM says I'm gandalf. So I would assume so.
And yes, kanye, my wincon is not the same as town. I'm honestly not even sure if it conflicts with town though. once again, some flavor help would REALLY be appreciated.-
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In post 16, Magister Ludi wrote:Gandalf, in that game you flipped
6. gandalf5166, Gwaihir the Eagle, Town Jailkeeper, Shot from Afar Night 1!
After getting vigged night one. What are you doing?
Yeah, in that one I was trying to breadcrumb.I really don't know what I'm doing now. I could really use some help.
@Plum:Were any of the roles in this game(aside from the seraphs) handpicked?
Magister Ludi wrote:What does your win condition say, Gandalf.
It says I have to survive and make sure the timestream remains intact for my safe return. I'm paraphrasing, but the phrasing in my PM isn't any clearer.-
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In post 30, kanyeknowsbest wrote:yeah im into a gandalf lynch unless he can in some way explain how his win condition is pro town. theres no reason to leave claimed third party alive.
Once again, I don't know. Heck, maybe at the end of the book all of the bad guys die and Hurin and his children live happily ever after except for like one or two that I have to make sure die. Once again, I'm looking for the same info you are.-
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In post 35, kanyeknowsbest wrote:so why are you asking us instead of pming plum for a clarification on your win con?
unvote vote gandalf
I get the feeling that if Plum was going to clarify she would have.I think Plum gave me this role just to fuck with me.-
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In post 40, Magister Ludi wrote:That doesn't make much sense, Gandalf, considering Plum would have to balance the game, and include a Gandalf, and If you didn't play, or replaced out, all the work could have been for nothing.
I didn't say she created the role to fuck with me. I'm saying she gave me the role to fuck with me.
In post 44, Empking wrote:Gandalf: What abilities do you have?
I don't want to reveal that. I am a JoaT of sorts. Mostly utility kind of stuff as opposed to like cops or vigs and such. I get the feeling each ability is supposed to have a specific use.
@Gut: I get the feeling that it's the net outcome that matters, as order of deaths would 1. be nearly impossible and 2. wouldn't really affect the integrity of the timeline. I sent a PM to Plum a couple of minutes ago.-
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In post 62, Will-o-wisp wrote:
Gandalf, would you be able to tell what exactly the timeline is if you knew other names?
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In post 69, Furcolow wrote:There is NO WAY your role PM name is GANDALF. He DID NOT get that name at the time of this story.
vote: Gandalf
you are lying, your character, if Gandalf, would be called OLORIN. THAT IS HIS NAME AT THE TIME OF THIS STORY.
No, but I was called Gandalf when the Balrog killed me.-
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I would assume that what it means is that things have to end up the same way as they would have had I never come here, i.e. how they did in the book.
In post 89, Furcolow wrote:there IS no timestream. he CANNOT be gandalf, if his name is gandalf. Gandalf CANNOT EXIST in 2 places at the same time, can he? IT WOULD RIP THE SPACE-TIME-CONTINUUM.
he was alive, and was a maiar of manwe, and was called olorin
he is lying
lynch all liars
lynch gandalf 2011
This post is really lol. thanks for telling me Olorin exists at this point though. Do I need to worry about accidentally interacting with him, or is he not involved in the story?
In post 114, Andrius wrote:
Good.
Because if you, gandalf, and other flavor-ignorant idiots are the scumteam this should be a cinch.
LOL IF YOU END UP SCUM
Andy, your thinking is correct. Take this out of context of the last quote, I'm intentionally separating it from what it's referring to.
In post 123, Andrius wrote:
GANDALF5166: DO YOU KNOW HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO FULFILL YOUR WINCON? Aka, killin' Balrogs, etc.?
Or are you just floating in the water too?
No, I asked. She wouldn't tell me I do know I have to survive. I'm thinking that maybe some characters that don't have a huge impact on the future might not be important to my wincon.
In post 128, Andrius wrote:In post 127, kanyeknowsbest wrote:In post 126, Andrius wrote:as winning with scum = no-go as he'd get endgamed for sure.
what. third party can definitely win with scum, see: survivor and lyncher/reverse lyncher (what gandalf probably is)
I can see Survivor, true.
I can see Lyncher to Balrog, who might be Morgoth_Scum or might be a Lyncher to Gandalf.
Basically, I want to hear from him.
And then I'll decide.
Yes, its taking a risk, but I'd like to think I know gandalf well enough to know he wouldn't be all lulzy like this as hostile scum.
Because Gandalf_Lyncher is clearly out to get Balrog, who's CLEARLY not town.
That's something I hadn't considered, that maybe the Balrog had gotten transported back with me. If so, he's probably an SK, and he would probably be immune to normal kills. I do have one mystery ability, that might be what it's for.
Furc...... you're overreacting a little bit to three votes.
In post 157, Mastermind of Sin wrote:Unless...YOU are the lie!
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In post 160, Furcolow wrote:I am not overreacting to votes when they have NO reason behind them, when I am adept at the subject involved (I just brought down my unfinished tales... which.... I have left unfinished after all these years), and I am actively scumhunting and calling YOU out on lying
But it's three votes, and you just flew into a rage over three votes. Regardless of any of that, it's only three votes.-
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In post 167, Furcolow wrote:three votes, three votes, three votes? what is this, the wizard of oz? what are you repeating yourself three times for, some ruby slippers taking you home?
There was language in there. I decided to take it out, and the result sounds awkward.-
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In post 185, Furcolow wrote:Gandalf, can you like for real admit you're not Gandalf in this game? There is no possible way that is the name of your character
Actually, this is getting boring. I'm in the same boat as Andy. I just figured I'd have some fun so I could do SOMETHING D1. I was planning on keeping it up longer, but it just got boring. I had a pretty unsubtle breadcrumb..... Look at the bolded parts of those first few posts, where I acted like it was a glitch. You get:
I really don't know what I'm doing now. I could really use some help(I think it's possible that there's some role that might be able to restore my memories, was trying to signal them). I think Plum gave me this role just to fuck with me.-
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In post 194, Empking wrote:I don't believe Gandalf.
So you think that either I somehow knew Andy's role from the start, or that there really is some glitch where those two sections ended up bolded and they just happened to line up with Andy's role? Bullshit. VOTE: Empking-
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That was the point. That'd how crumbing works, is you make it make sense in the context you're writing it in and in the context that you'll be bringing them up in. Also, what other serious explanation do you have for me making that fakeclaim in the first place? How does "I think Plum gave me this role just to fuck with me" not line up with Andy's role?-
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Because my original claim is retarded. It's obviously a joke, and the only reason I think anybody believed it is that Andy said he did, and if I'm right, the only reason he did that is he saw my crumbs and knew I had the same role as him. Also, do you really think I wasn't capable of looking shit up on Wikipedia? No, that whole section of the thing was solely for the purpose of crumbing those three sentences.-
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No, I'm claiming that I claimed a bastard role because I knew that if I didn't then D1 was going to be really boring, so I went ahead and breadcrumbed while I was at it. You need to keep in mind that I'm not playing to win at this point because I don't know how I'm supposed to win.
PEDIT: I did make one last crumb after Andy claimed, me telling Andy that his thinking was correct was me thinking that he knew my real role and letting him know he was right.-
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In post 204, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I give more weight to scum likelihood under this scenario from those who actually played in Plum / Andy’s LOTR game (Spyrex, Kats).
I think this is a bad assumption. I think those people might feel MORE justified to vote me again, due to the WIFOM involved in me doing it twice in a row. And once again, i think the weird reaction from Andy is due to him realizing what my real role was and not wanting to reveal it. I'll let him speak for himself, but I think he was just trying to perpetuate the thing because he thought it was funny.
That said, I see where you're going with SpyreX.
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In post 311, PeregrineV wrote:In post 309, gandalf5166 wrote:Can people please explain WHY they don't believe me before they vote for me?
Which post(s) of yours are you asking why we don't believe? The first seven where you told a bunch of lies to breadcrumb a secret message to another player that may or may not have existed, or the ones where said player showed up, read through all the crap, found the crumbs, recreated a loaf of bread from them, and claimed a role that matches your claim, at which point you believed him, and came out with "the truth" about you our role and the previous lies?
Yeah, that. Explain how any of that makes sense from a scum perspective.-
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The pointlessness is intentional. I'd rather not risk potentially voting off everyone on my scumteam but me and then recovering my memories and being absolutely fucked. I'll give opinions, but mostly I'm just trying to stay alive until I get my memories back. I might vote if you need it because we're getting close to deadline, but other than that, don't expect me to be a driving force. I think both of the current wagons are probably scum, if that helps.-
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In post 407, Magister Ludi wrote:Did gandalf just claim scum or is that just me?
No, I claimed that I might be scum, and I'd rather not find that out shortly after pushing wagons on all my buddies.-
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VOTE: Kats
I trust Andy saying we're probably town.
And I have no flavor knowledge, as I haven't had time to read more than the very beginning of The Silmarillion, and when my dad lent me Children of Hurin, I was very little, just finishing my first readthrough of the original books, and I thought it was boring, so I never read it.-
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In post 421, Empking wrote:In post 420, gandalf5166 wrote:
And I have no flavor knowledge, as I haven't had time to read more than the very beginning of The Silmarillion, and when my dad lent me Children of Hurin, I was very little,
When was that?
I don't remember. I just remember it was a while ago, and actually, I think I made up the part about just finishing LOTR for the first time. It might have been later than that. I DO remember that I was finishing a readthrough of LOTR but considering I do that about every three months, that doesn't tell me much.-
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In post 431, Empking wrote:All the Power Roles dying at night fit perfectly with Lovecraft flavour.
I don't even know if this is true, but it's still hilarious.-
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In post 425, Mastermind of Sin wrote:I'm thinking Gandalf is a failed Jester. Someone kill him tonight.
If I was a jester, why would I have switched my claim? I was finally starting to build up a wagon.-
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In post 443, Mastermind of Sin wrote:In post 440, Empking wrote:In post 439, Mastermind of Sin wrote:Also, based on the sample role pm in the OP, you should know exactly whether or not you are mafia, regardless of flavor knowledge.
They're claiming not to know their role at all.
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Oh god, are you fucking reading the thread? Fucking dumbass.-
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In post 451, PeregrineV wrote:In post 450, gandalf5166 wrote:And just a tip, me and Andy claiming the same role does NOT mean we have the same likelihood of being scum, idiot.
You don't know your alignment, but you know "you do not have the same likelihood of being scum"?
And I'm the idiot?
OK
My point is, just because we both said the same thing doesn't mean we're just as likely to be telling the truth.-
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In post 453, PeregrineV wrote:In post 452, gandalf5166 wrote:In post 451, PeregrineV wrote:In post 450, gandalf5166 wrote:And just a tip, me and Andy claiming the same role does NOT mean we have the same likelihood of being scum, idiot.
You don't know your alignment, but you know "you do not have the same likelihood of being scum"?
And I'm the idiot?
OK
My point is, just because we both said the same thing doesn't mean we're just as likely to be telling the truth.
So one of you could be lying? Since I doubt you think you are, do you think he is?
No, but apparently you think it's possible one of us are. I'm speaking from your perspective.-
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In post 468, SpyreX wrote:And no, don't think this means I've forgot about the Chrono twins. I wouldn't be said if they got conscripted to fight for my daddy as catapult fodder.
Unvote, Vote: Gandalf
Once again, why, as scum, would I have made the big fuss I did. And then how did I just happen to have a breadcrumb for Andy's role.-
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In post 531, Empking wrote:Feysal: Is it fair to say that you'll always give town vibes regsrdless of actual role?
No. When he's scum you can usually tell.-
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Hi, I'm town now. I am NOT Nineor/Niniel or whatever. And no, I'm not third party. And I can show you numerous instances where I have a history of openly claiming third party when I am(heck, I've claimed mafia traitor every time I've drawn it).
@MoI: I was lynching PV because he looked like the only person who was GOING to be lynched at that point, and he didn't look town(my scumread on him wasn't solid IIRC, but I had a feeling I'd be wanting to kill him later anyways). Do you have a QT with BOTH seraphs? Or just one side? I think you already answered this, but I forgot.
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Keeping an SK on a leash is always a good idea, so long as they stay on the leash. And like I said, nothing Feysal's done has suggested he's breaking off. See Wizards at the Sorcerer's Den, where town only won because of an SK(who was played by Feysal, coincidentally) and a third party team that was half composed of SKs(I was one of the two who was an SK!)-
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Well, I must have been activated by some other means. Maybe the seraph's ability is for something else. In fact, something else happened to me last night that might be related(I hadn't given it a second thought until now). Rather not say what it is though, I'll know more tomorrow, if it's relevant I'll bring it up again.-
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