Mini 1241: Lab Mafia (Game Over)

[charter]

Vote Nanook

because I've met him in real life!

[charter]

Hey, sorry, been very busy but I can catch up tonight.

[charter]

Vote Fenix

Fakeclaiming like that is stupid and that was one of the far far less townish looking ones I've seen (as in, I don't think it looked townie at all).

[charter]

There doesn't need to be any more talk about Jesters, as they can't be in Normal games. There needs to be more Fenix voting. Chop chop.

[charter]

El simo is probscum too. Still talking about Jesters.

[charter]

What you mean in the one time I've posted since he claimed in which I insisted that we ignore it?

The majority of your post was blithering about jesters.

Fenix, why do you think I'm scummy? Your reasoning for voting me is terrible.

[charter]

Nanook looks pretty town.

[charter]

UNVOTE: Fenix

Internet Stranger, why aren't you voting? Isn't that just as useless?

4nxi3ty, what happened to sheeping?

Nanook, has anything changed your read on Fenix?

Maxous, could you elaborate on that vote you just cast?

Why aren't you voting? Isn't that just as useless?

[charter]

Simo, your read on Maxous?
Maxous, your read on Simo?

[charter]

Fenix, El simo, Maxous, and [L] are all lynches I support. Fenix and El simo are my preferences. El simo just committed the cardinal sin, unvote with a terrible reason and say nothing else. Scum.

[charter]

So you know why I unvoted then? Because I'm 100% sure I didn't explain my unvote.

Ok, then you unvoted with no reason and did nothing else. Just as scummy.

[charter]

In other news, charter is still being useless. He just listed like half the game as lynch candidates. Is there any reason in particular that you find el simo so scummy besides committing a cardinal sin (Yeah, Rambo mentioned jesters. Woot. Got anything else?)

Sorry, is there anything you actually find scummy of me other than the fact that I'm on to you? I know you're not claiming I'm the most useless person here.

[charter]

Um, will catch up sometime this weekend...

[charter]

So you know why I unvoted then? Because I'm 100% sure I didn't explain my unvote.

Ok, then you unvoted with no reason and did nothing else. Just as scummy.

Right, so my scum motivation for unvoting was.. what?

Avoiding giving a reason for your terrible vote in the first place. It's easy to be scum if you never explain any of your votes and unvotes. Was this question serious or am I just a fool for thinking it was?

No, there's nothing else scummy about you. But lack of information, avoiding questions, and fluffy posts are definitely enough to constitute a lynch. You've failed to provide the content for us to tell whether or not you're town.

Who has provided the content for us to tell that they are town? I see plenty of people (yourself included) who have provided the information that you are scum.

Fenix is painfully obvious scum. I don't think I'll be able to check this again before deadline, but L is a great lynch as well.

Unvote, vote L

[charter]

Didn't realize there was only 11 people in the game

[charter]

Vote Fenix

Still scum.

[charter]

We should lynch Fenix because he is scum. We shouldn't lynch someone because he "appears to want to be lynched". That's a crap reason if I've ever heard one.

[charter]

Why is Fenix scum?

Same reasons as yesterday. His vig claim wasn't town. He didn't do it to start discussion or anything (as evidenced by him not following up on anything anyone said about it), he just did it to do it.

[charter]

As apposed to Anxietys claim?

I don't find Anxiety to be very town either, but his claim was obviously BS from the start. Fenix tried to earn townpoints with his stunt.

[charter]

Also Fenix has done little but OMGUS me since I've called him scum, citing my lack of prolific posting, while ignoring all others who are just as guilty.

[charter]

I've stated both Wasabi and Anxiety as scum as well as you. If I have reasons and you acknowledge that I have reasons for calling you scum, it's not OMGUS. That term has a very specific use for the fail-logic of "you suspect me, therefore, scum".

You have, but you haven't said anything about anyone else who isn't posting up to your requirements, and RBT is by far the biggest lurkmonster in this game. Your only reason for suspecting me is you think I should be posting more. Well why don't you find RBT scummy for posting even less and every one of his posts being a mostly useless one liner?

[charter]

I'm pointing out why Fenix is OMGUSing me, because he's not applying his logic across the board. I could care less that you're doing nothing. But you're very defensive about this.

[charter]

So, why do you think Fenix might be a SK? We had one kill last night, and Maxous was hardly very townish.

The only reason I can think someone would say someone might be a SK is because he isn't scum with them. FOS Anxiety.

[charter]

That doesn't make much sense, his claim was terrible. I think he did it to try and look town, but he had very poor execution of it.

[charter]

Your reasoning behind why he claimed one shot vig. He obviously can't make an extra kill because he took the claim back. Therefore he was only claiming to try and look town. He didn't claim because he could make a kill, either as town or SK.

[charter]

You gave a reason for every possible scenario, and I'm saying some of them make zero sense.

[charter]

Yes, and?

[charter]

Why are you asking me this?

[charter]

I didn't know you find me suspicious, what are your reasons for finding me suspicious?

[charter]

Well, I'll confess: I'm inclined to take out one (or possibly both) of the fakeclaimers. Though both say they did it to foster discussion, I don't really see how it really got the ball rolling on any *useful* discussion. Of the two, I'm really picking 4nxi3ty because he's not Fenix, who I feel is making a more genuine attempt at scumhunting (including his misguided suspicions of me).

Why are you just now inclined to vote them? It happened a while ago, but you haven't said anything about it until now.


Ha. Fenix. Let's lynch him.

[charter]

IS is probably Fenix's buddy. IS thinks Wasabi is desperately looking for someone to lynch, but all Fenix is doing is voting lurkers. He's not doing

anything

but blathering about lurkers.

[charter]

The 'fakeclaim weirdness' was resolved a while ago, it doesn't answer why now, day two, you have interest in discussing it, but day one, you did not. That's what I'm trying to find out.

[charter]

And do you want to lynch them both?
If so, do you have any preference between the two?
And if no preference, change to Fenix.

[charter]

Fenix is obvscum, IS is probscum.

Nothing to say, Fenix won't defend against accusations, so more people should vote him.

[charter]

don't have time to qoute and write out paragraphs. charter's behaviour has changed since day one and he is distancing from IS. fenix if you are a one-shot vig use your kill on charter or IS otherwise i will consider you an sk.

Wow. Guys, pack it in. Anxiety has solved this game. There's the proof.


Lucky for him Fenix is obvscum and needs to be hanging. I can't believe I'm going to do this, but it looks like I'll make a case and you all can then proceed to vote for him.

[charter]

EBWOP: Whoa, sorry, that made no sense. Hit post before I finished revising, so I'll try again.

UNVOTE: Fenix

VOTE: Internet Stranger

This is a total contradiction from the post right before it, how were those two posts supposed to go together?

[charter]

waiting on charter before i give my read of IS. fenix that last post basically says "i'm town cause i made a case on wasbai first".

Waiting on me for what?

[charter]

When you guys are done droning about Wasabi and Anxiety and whoever, let me know and we can lynch Fenix.

[charter]

Unvote, vote Stranger

Next best thing to Fenix.

[charter]

Unvote, vote Stranger

Next best thing to Fenix.

The bit with Fenix didn't bother me so much. Jumping on IS like he did just appeared planned. Earlier in the game he mentioned that IS may be Fenix's scum partner. Called IS probscum. Then voted IS because "He's the next best thing instead of Fenix".

The above was paraphrased, but you get the point.

I don't think Charter ever really has explained WHY he find IS to be scum, which is a very similar problem in relation to 4nxi3ty.

The dodgy behavior with the one liners isn't much useful right now either, so ...

I could be down for a VOTE: Charter

So you know what you just did? You just threw together a one liner and voted me for it. Pot meet kettle. You know who else has done this? Everyone voting me. So all of you just say hello to each other.

[charter]

Where the hell did RBT claim at?

[charter]

Being a vig and not shooting is one of the fastest ways to lose a game. No idea what you're talking about there. FOS.

[charter]

I would have just said VT if you're not going to shoot, and then wait until scum gloat when they think they won and shoot them then. If you're telling the truth, your play has been truly terrible, you've wasted your role.

However, after thinking about it, if you're telling the truth, scum have no choice but to NK you, so there's no point in arguing further.

[charter]

Fenix is scum. Let's lynch him.

[charter]

IS, no one is buying the crap you're trying to sell. Give it up.

[charter]

Once again, your retarded logic excludes you being scum. Wonder why....

VT

[charter]

Except he's using that as his logic for voting me. He voted me, and since no one else is piling on, he's claiming I have to be scum. Except he voted me for no reason, and very quick in probable lylo. He knows the game won't end because no townie is dumb enough to follow his lead because we all see his logic is crap.

[charter]

Hey, I guess IS is confirmed scum since someone is voting him

[charter]

Seems kind of pointless to vote RBT today.

[charter]

Or IS, Fenix and Nanook.

I'm going to hammer, anyone have any objections?

[charter]

That's very weak suspicion of RBT. The exact same thing went through my head. You've clearly never played a killing role since you aren't shooting, if you'd been a vig before, you'd be shooting.

IS isn't town, so your objection is noted but not heeded.

[charter]

Your play definitely backs that up.

[charter]

IS is scum. Shoot Nanook tonight.

[charter]

For the love of god, don't shoot RBT.

[charter]

Vote IS

When he flips scum, I'd say shoot Nanook or Fenix. I'd shoot Nanook even if he flips town.

[charter]

IS has to be scum though. If he was town, scum could have piled on me and won.

[charter]

And Nanook seems like a very likely buddy. As does Fenix.

[charter]

Also. I find it odd that scum hasn't hammered me yet.

Maybe that's b/c the scum are on your wagon already ...

Or ...

Maybe charter is trying to gain some townie points by prolonging your lynch.

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

May I just make the statement that posting from my cell phone is truly a great feature that I'm learning to love.

For the record, this is Nanook knowing I'm town, since there's no point in gaining townie points now.

[charter]

Have you played in a game with RBT before? This is pretty much par for the course and I think she's very easy to read as scum.

[charter]

I don't think it's scummy of her at all. Please don't shoot her tonight, please please please shoot Nanook.

[charter]

Need to reread, but it might be worth no lynching. Have to see.

[charter]

Kind of funny that he was wolf scum.

[charter]

Reread, I see actions that point towards both Fenix and Anxiety being scum. As far as I'm concerned, RBT is town just by process of elimination.

Some of the things I find suspicious about them:
Both had retarded fakeclaims, Fenix's is much scummier.
Anxiety's terrible vote for L day one.
Anxiety totally ignores Nanook during the later stages of the game, they have some unconvincing distancing in the beginning.
Fenix's play all game has been extremely passive and in my opinion never once actually tried to find scum or do much of anything useful. I find him lurky towards the end of the game (and in the beginning would only comment on lurkers).

Right now, if I had to vote, it would be Fenix. His total lack of scumhunting all game is quite damning. I will be going back and organizing my thoughts some more, but there is about zero chance I will vote RBT.

[charter]

Wow, once again your brilliant logic solves the game. Congrats.

[charter]

How about instead of continually posting and not doing anything, you post a case on who you think is suspicious so we all know your reasons.

Right now, both you and Fenix are doing nothing, and it's making it difficult to sort out which of you is the scum.

[charter]

Vote Fenix

What it boils down to,
I didn't get the impression Anxiety interacted with Nanook any differently than anyone else.
Fenix's claim was totally not town. He did absolutely nothing with it, it was just a ploy to earn town points.
I don't think Fenix even once mentioned Nanook. Not sure how I missed that before.
All other reasons I've mentioned about Fenix.

[charter]

Fenix, point to what you've done so far this game. Point to where you have mentioned Nanook as well.

[charter]

Why are you above making a case?

[charter]

Well, I want to lynch Fenix, so I really don't have any problem with that. Why don't

you

want to lynch Fenix?

[charter]

There's no reason to wait on RBT, go ahead and start contributing now.

[charter]

That's because Fenix is just trying to make something up so he can get a lynch in. He doesn't believe it at all.

[charter]

So is there any reason you're voting RBT, or have you just stopped pretending?

[charter]

So Anxiety is confirmed town, which means Fenix or RBT, and that's a pretty easy decision. I'll go back and try and embellish my case on Fenix some more.

[charter]

Fenix, point to what you've done so far this game.

Point to where you have mentioned Nanook as well

.

I still would like Fenix to do this.

[charter]

Fact Check:

Charter called Fenix scum in post 68.
Fenix posts twice with no mention of Charter.
Fenix called Charter scum in post 91.
Charter called Fenix's reason for voting him crap in post 106.
Charter didn't respond/question Fenix again until 172, despite posting

numerous

times in between.

Go and check for yourselves, but

A point I've made most of this game is that you and charter generally seem like you post a lot without really pushing for anything. When I called charter out on this, he flipped shit and started tunneling me, however, his reaction was fearful and showed some attempt to justify his OMGUS read.

has not happened at any time in this game. Nowhere did I show fear, I know this because I never show fear, ever, in any mafia game. My read is also clearly, CLEARLY not OMGUS because I stated it in post 68 before Fenix ever mentioned my name, and never once has my reasoning for suspecting Fenix changed. It's always been because of his faked fakeclaim.


It's raining cold hard truth up in here.

[charter]

Fenix, point to what you've done so far this game.

Point to where you have mentioned Nanook as well

.

I have not mentioned Nanook, el simo (except for some vig-theory discussion), chkflip (at all), Max (at all), or any of the short term replacements. I've generally tried to stick to discussing my scum reads. Null reads are useless, town reads are only useful if your strong town-read is being heavily wagoned.

You know what is scummy and common noob scum tactics? Stay unconnected to your scumbuddy by having as little interaction with them as possible and mentioning them as little as possible.

Anxiety, don't let his excuse of not mentioning half the players in the game lessen suspicion. Just because he didn't mention them either doesn't lessen the scumminess of not interacting with confirmed scum.

The way Fenix is trying to portray events is clearly skewed. He hasn't made any attempt at scumhunting all game. He's spent the whole time droning on about lurkers, but even now, he's lurking. The hypocrisy is obvious!

I know RBT looks like scum, but I'm telling you, she does this

every

game. I have no motivation to push for a Fenix lynch if I am scum, I implore you to go back and read Fenix's posts, you'll see that he's not town.

[charter]

Cool, now I'm confirmed town too.

[charter]

Nothing about Fenix's fakeclaim is remotely town. Not a thing.
He would risk a ton by letting someone counter, people would immediately believe the counterclaimer because "no scum would be that stupid to counterclaim day one a role they couldn't back up, it would be suicide". Best case scenario for him was both of them get lynched. He had no option but to take it back.

I think RBT is town partially because of meta and partially because of the overwhelming scumminess of Fenix.

[charter]

AND PLUS, HE CLAIMED VIG, IF THERE WAS A REAL VIG, THEN DUH! GUESS WHO THE REAL VIG SHOOTS!

[charter]

I'm not voting RBT, period.

How do you think he could hope to keep his vig claim alive against a counter claim? That is a battle he can't win.

[charter]

You have yet to show how your fake claim was town. At best it was just rolefishing.

No way I will vote RBT, especially with arguments as unconvincing as the ones you are putting forth.

[charter]

Any vote other than one for Fenix is a vote for no lynch. I'm not changing, so when I get NK'ed tonight, vote him tomorrow.

[charter]

Hey, as soon as you explain how your fakeclaim was town, or how your lurkerhunting was town, or how you calling me scum all game was town, or maybe even how RBT is scum, I might have a change of heart. But you aren't trying to do any of those, so that tells me I'm right in thinking you're scum.

[charter]

Anxiety, why aren't you willing to vote Fenix? I don't see how A) you think Fenix is remotely town, or B) how RBT is so scummy that you have to lynch her. I've told you that she always plays like this, it's par for the course. I've read her right numerous times.

Can you at least explain to me how Fenix can be so overwhelmingly town to you so I can convince you that he is scum?

[charter]

Whatever, deadline is tomorrow, vote for Fenix after I'm killed.

[charter]

Vote Fenix

Obvious that he's scum. If RBT was scum, she would have killed off Anxiety and won. How bout we end this game now Anxiety?

[charter]

I just proved how RBT didn't have a kill. I'm town. Anxiety is town. That leaves one person.

[charter]

Except there is no WIFOM. I am voting Fenix no matter what, whether you die or not.

[charter]

And please answer this for me:

Anxiety, why aren't you willing to vote Fenix? I don't see how A) you think Fenix is remotely town, or B) how RBT is so scummy that you have to lynch her. I've told you that she always plays like this, it's par for the course. I've read her right numerous times.

Can you at least explain to me how Fenix can be so overwhelmingly town to you so I can convince you that he is scum?

[charter]

Well, looks like we're going to have a tie unless you grow a pair and vote Fenix.

[charter]

And in response, Fenix never voted for Nanook, Fenix never even MENTIONED Nanook. How do you explain that? Fenix just pushed for town lynches.
Fenix tried to look town, but failed spectacularly.
Why is it not town to be confirmed town? Everyone wants to be confirmed town.
Unless you agree with El Simo's reasoning for suspecting RBT, it's very bad play to blindly follow someone because they were right about something else.
The no kill only makes sense if Fenix is scum. If RBT was scum, she could kill you and we lynch Fenix the next day. Fenix is worried that if he kills me, you'll reconsider and vote him.


Your whole "Fenix actions has threatned both his position and Nanook's in this game" I think is flawed. Fenix has been lurking hardcore lately. The whole beginning of the game, Fenix did NOTHING but drone on and on and on about lurkers and all he did was useless lurker hunting. That's SOOOOOO easy of a strategy for scum to take, but he has avoided actually doing any scumhunting the whole game while pretending to. RBT just never even pretended, but Fenix's faking it is an ironclad scumtell.

[charter]

Once you take meta into account, there's no reason to suspect RBT and there is still a ton of reasoning for voting Fenix. At least read a game of RBT's where she is town.

IS plays in a bunch of games with her, and he didn't suspect her either.

[charter]

You should have said something before you spent all that time, no matter what I'm not changing my vote.

[charter]

Anxiety, why are you being this obtuse?

[charter]

I love how Fenix spends his time arguing with me instead of proving RBT is scum or he is town. It's like he's obligated to post every couple of days, so he makes more useless posts, but he isn't even trying to lynch scum today.

Anxiety, do you see how he's spending all his time arguing with me and not building a case on RBT?

[charter]

Basically just waiting for the deadline for another no lynch.

[charter]

Good work Anxiety.

Simo, nice shot, but you should have shot every night. You would have shot Nanook much sooner and at worst case you shoot people who we would lynch anyway.

Good game