Open 347: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

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Vote Kondi

L-1. Claim or die.

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I am relatively sure I would have made that same post if I were scum. Why do you think I'd not?

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Secrets? I think I like you.

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unvote, Vote Nobody Special

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Hey guys, I got one.

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You should vote Nobody Special.

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Reading the thread properly would adequately answer most of your questions. Try that, first.

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Wait, are you talking about my vote on Kondi?

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Can someone compare Equinoxtown vs. Equiscum for me? Please?

I can. Wait for a little while.

Your questions are kinda dumb, though. (Also, if I wanted to reveal hydra heads I'd reveal them.)

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Actually, never mind. Can we get a wagon started in this direction, please?

What do you think of NS?

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Cross_Pollination, do you have any town reads? What do you think of Nobody special?

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DJ seems to be trying way too hard...fatlikepig had two non-game-related posts on the beginning of page 1.

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VOTE: DonJosh

@Fruit: If you're town, revealing your heads will help you win.

Cross is town.

I agree.

Oh Really. Hes Apple and I'm Orange. Where do we claim our prize

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In case it wasn't clear in the sign up thread: Fuck off, we're not revealing our heads.

And CP is townish, why the fuck are you failing to take his inexperience into account, Amrun? His reaction to the quick wagon isn't forced or fake at all, it looks pretty natural and fits with the rest of his post completely.

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hey amrun what do you think of NS?

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Nobody Special is scum though, so who cares.

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/pouts

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I meant posts.

Unvote, Vote Amrun

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I don't know his experience level, but I'm aware that he looks a little newbish. I don't think he's townish; I think he leans slightly scummy, but null at best.

Why are you even considering him 'null at best'; it looks like you're approaching this from a scum mind set, like you're trying to feel out the general opinion on him.

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Hey ScreamingHawk.

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My experience with kondi!town is seeing him pop up after or just before he is prodded to post a defensive one liner and/or a vote for the biggest wagon. Reads? Nope. Content? Nope. This is not kondi!town.

So have you seen Kondi scum or are you just being garbage?

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I don't know his experience level, but I'm aware that he looks a little newbish. I don't think he's townish; I think he leans slightly scummy, but null at best.

Why are you even considering him 'null at best'; it looks like you're approaching this from a scum mind set, like you're trying to feel out the general opinion on him.

For your sake, I'm hoping you were tired or something, because otherwise, this doesn't make sense.

Thanks for being concerned, but it makes perfect sense to me.

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Except for the parts where Nobody Special posts. He's a cunt.

scumbag*

Unvote, Vote Nobody Special

Consensus on him is stronger than Amrun.

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I like the NS wagon. I've never seen him so defensive.

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Eh? What's with the quick vote and unvote, was it just his response to being called a cunt?

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Actually, never mind.
VOTE: Cross_Pollination

Minimal contribution, early posts reek of scum.

Which ones 'reek' of scum?

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Ns wagon is crap.

In what way? I thought he was 'neutral'? Is it crap because he's now town? Because the reasons for voting him are bad? it's certainly better than your shitty vote on C_P


My fucking point was I don't see why you as town would be thinking in terms of him being 'neutral at best', why the fuck would you think that? If you're voting someone who you presumably think is scum it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to think like that. I don't think the people I vote are 'neutral at best' I think their scumbags, I think your vote lacked conviction.

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VOTE: fatlikepig

language tell: 'reek'

are you just voting him for the use of the word reek or is it the overall language in the post? (because the latter is fairly valid, the former is borderline retarded)

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Also amrum what did you mean by 'For your sake'?

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Also amrum what did you mean by 'For your sake'?

Actually never mind this, you just didn't understand it. Derp.

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I don't see what you don't understand - read his posts or something if you're confused.

And NS is scum, so yes that's a valid reason.

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FB, why so defensive of Cross_Pollination? Also loving the casual push of the wagon on me without actually committing to it.

I'm 'defensive' because I think he's town, and think the votes on him are without exception, garbage. Why are you asking me such a dumb question?

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Also give me the early posts that reek of scum, I doubt you missed the question. I can wait on 'analysis'.

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Why are you being so confrontational, Fruit Basket?

Are you not revealing your heads because you decided you were going to be a complete asshole all game and didn't want your real accounts' reputations damaged?

I don't care about my site rep - don't worry, it's good enough that being a prick in one game won't damage it anyway. I'd also take issue with the fact I'm being an asshole, go speak to the guys calling each other cunts or something, save me the spiel.

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Why do you think he's town?

His early posts fit with what I see more often in newbie town than newbie scum, he's inquisitive about the early wagon (which is actually fairly null), he then comes in and says he has no scum reads - remarkably honest, I don't think he'd be quite as blunt about that as scum. He's clearly not used to the meta on this site but given his actions and whatever I think he's town. What about my interpretation do you disagree with? I don't really need you to explain the posts you find scummy, I mostly just want ISO numbers as it sounded a hell of a lot like you were making stuff up.

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FB, why am I scum?

Your second, third and fifth(sorta) posts. I'm not explaining why you're scum, if people strongly disagree I can put forward my reasoning then - cases are inherently anti-town in general though.

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Why are you being so confrontational, Fruit Basket?

Oh missed this. Mostly because it's fun as fuck.

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ISO posts 0-2 are scummy. Being wary of voting and saying and you don't have reads on anyone is dodgy.

He also apparently has experience on another forum. Means he's not a "newbie" per se, so I'm not incline to take that as an excuse.

You can't compare the site to mafiascum without seeing it. Most sites play the game extremely differently, so he's a newbie to here.

Why do you think scum are more likely to be wary of voting? I actually don't think that's true, in general. it's also not very often scum out and admit they've no reads, it's certainly something I'd never do as scum - precisely because people

find

it scummy, when it's actually more likely to come from town (imo)

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Eh, where did he say he had offsite experience?

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Actually, Pig. Have you been posting from your phone often in this game so far?

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FB, why am I scum?

Your second, third and fifth(sorta) posts. I'm not explaining why you're scum, if people strongly disagree I can put forward my reasoning then -

cases are inherently anti-town in general though.

What the fuck is this bullshit??

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It's true, cases are anti-town. The best way to scumhunt is if town can come to a consensus through their own reasoning.

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I don't care about your opinions on mafia theory.

I'm not voting him based on theory anyway.. He's the one who confirmed his vote on me based on that. How did you so woefully misunderstand that?

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I don't think NS' vote on you is valid, but I don't think it makes NS scummy, either.

Yeah I know, I don't think that makes him scummy either. I'm almost certain it's the type of post he'd disagree with regardless of his alignment, most things based on theory are consistent regardless of alignment.

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So then why are you so sure ns is scum? I thought that post was supposedly answering that question.

wat

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FB, why am I scum?

Your second, third and fifth(sorta) posts.

are primarily the posts that give me the scumread on NS.

I've no idea what you're talking about, though.

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VOTE: trekker
No explanation necessary. He's scum.

#196 alone was slightly townish. wat.

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Eh, nothing really to respond to FLP. I disagree with his 3 reasons, but he seems to believe them and I'm not going back and forth over null points. Also his vote at the end is a good one. I want to dig into Hawk a bit later, actually. We both have mild scum reads on him, we'll probably just review the game later and see if we can find anything new.

Also people calling NS 'always scummy' are wrong. I know of at least 2 games where I easily identified him as town based on his early play.

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VOTE: trekker
No explanation necessary. He's scum.

#196 alone was slightly townish. wat.

Someone

needs their medication levels checked.

Sorry, I'm not your doctor. Go see him about any medication, not me.

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http://mafiascum.net/forum/search.php?a ... 1&sr=posts

????

Lurking how?

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well yeah but that =/= lurking. he's posting, just posting nothing of value.

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Oh, and your opinion on SH, plz.

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Funnily enough, I never said it did.

But yes, clearly talking about the definition of lurking is more important than answering a game related question.

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That's active lurking (as far as I'm concerned), as FLP pointed out. His activity here fits his activity elsewhere; so he's not lurking. I'm pretty sure we mean the same thing but are just disagreeing on the definition.

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THEORY

Even worse DEFINITIONS.

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I think I know who one head of Fruit Basket is, and that makes me worried about their constant pushing for Nobody Special's wagon. You say Cross_Pollination was "remarkably honest" about not having any scum reads, which is townish. Okay, that makes sense. What do you think of Cross_Pollination singling out Nobody Special when there were other people posting similar fluff in the thread? Who's scum with Nobody Special?

I'm fine with people sheeping me for 'bad reasons', actually. Amrun/You would be my best guess for NS's partners - your soft question to him in this quote looks bad if he flips scum, and Amrun's defense of a neutral read like that seems off; she didn't seem to have much of a problem with the SK wagon and he was a town read. How does maybe knowing who I am affect my push on NS? If anything I think it should make you

more

confident I'm right, my history of reading him is actually really good. Or maybe you have the wrong girl teehee.

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er the quote = the post

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http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

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So who do you actually think is scum, Equinox?

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(I'm probably going to get to your question eventually, in that we'll probably give our opinion on everyone in a while)

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re-skimmed the thread because i was feeling bleh

NS has basically been worthless so far, in his town games i've always noticed an effort at scumhunting when he does happen to post (even if I generally disagree with his conclusions) , here I'm not seeing any of that. he basically ignores the kondi wagon and comes in a joke daykills equinox (which incidentally means a ns/kondi scumteam is unlikely) which i thought was off. mostly though i don't like his response to the initial vote - it feels really off to me. the 'tell me when the real game starts' is retarded too, but probably not scummy.

hawk's lack of engagement with his vote is worrying. like wagonhopping is fine and pro town but i don't get the sense he really believes any of the votes he's making. worse i can't even FOLLOW any of the votes he's made so far like, they don't make sense to me given the context of what's happened since he last posted.
also:

Question SK: What have I done that is scum?

is scummy

fatlikepig/trekker/cross_pollination are all probably town too.

gonna go curl up with a book vfor a while now ^_^

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I think it's more relevant in cross_pollination's case, cp's newbienesss explains most of the percieved 'scumminess' people seem to see, and is primarily why I have him read as town.

What is your read on ScreamingHawk?

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I'm not saying C-P is town because he's new though, I'm saying his actions combined with his join date make him exceedingly likely to be town.

I don't find SH's join date relevant to the things I find scummy about him, newer players are usually more careful with his vote if anything. He's not - he's parking it frequently with very little conviction, each time he's placed a vote it's felt weak.

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There are all types of newbies. Especially those coming from other sites often vote now and ask later, used to short deadlines and wagons that do not turn around.

I don't understand what "actions" of c_p make him townish, still.

Yeah, I've no idea what offsite c_p is used to but if I had to guess it's probably a 36/48 hour day that seems commonplace on most other mafia sites I've encountered.

But I mean you're ALSO treating them both differently - you have SH as null and are saying the superficially scummy things make him null, but cp's make him scum.

I've already explained pretty well to FLP why I thought C_p was townish (it's a couple of pages back), I think. I'm not really sure I can elaborate a lot more because that's kinda all there but but I am fairly happy with it, but that's what gives me my read on him.

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FB, you are aware that your townread trekker is the one that asked the scumt question, right?

um no he didn't, that question was asked by SH (the one I quoted)

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(i'm aware of your and tekker's interactions, but it's more the way he phrased it that struck me as scummy)

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I never said that c_p's superficially scummy things made him null, though.

I see c_p's behavior as more likely to come from newb scum than newb town.

I never said you said that (or didn't mean to imply it) but you're also treating both 'newbs' differently. What about his actions are 'newb scum', or if you've explained in more detail beyond your initial vote just link or something.

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How is that different than trekker's question?

just feels different, gut I guess? one feels inquisitive where's the other seems like concerned scum to me.

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omg why do i keep using ' ', djdjdjsdsjd it looks retarded

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oh yeah, have you played with trekker before? i don't really see why you think he's scum here, like at all.

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Those kinds of posts are a case-by-case basis. I think for trekker, it's scummy.

what did you mean by this then?

I'm not sure; he's probably an alt (I initially thought of crypto but don't now), but I don't think so.

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Cautious at first, but quick to vote later. c_p's posts just don't feel genuine. I've said as much before, but I'll say it again.

i don't actually recall you saying this at all

It feels like there's only 4/5 people playing this game atm, which is annoying.

mod can we get some prods

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No I haven't. Have you?

I'm not sure; he's probably an alt (I initially thought of crypto but don't now), but I don't think so.

(I thought that answered your question, I've never played with the account trekker at any rate.)

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mmkay.

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WHY DO I GOTTA PICK ONE? That's fine, I can kinda see where you're coming from actually I just disagree I guess.

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SH is probably town actually.

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FLP: was it Equinox's explanation of his 'honesty' that helped you see SH as town? (I thought 309 was very townish too)

The NS votes are good.

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We're lynching him, not pressuring him.

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Nobody Special is still alive.

This is a problem, fyi.

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I fail to see how I'm less of a problem than trekker. Please, enlighten me.

you're scum hes probably not

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^that

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His votes here are reminiscint of his Mafia on Midol votes; he voted Chkflip early in that game for something that was clearly not a tell. It's the same here where he's doing nothing that resembles trying to work out who the scum are. In his town games you get a 'wtf' sense about some of his votes, but you at least can believe they're semi sincere.

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There are more examples, there's an old SC game where he votes Pieman for reaction fishing and screl for pushing too hard or something but it's been quite a while since I read that, and I only read it for vezok meta.

Whatever he's scum, let's fucking kill him.

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2 weeks max. Hopefully this one ends soon /hint hint

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Equinox, this is about SH right?
Look, he's making two mutually exclusive arguments:
1. I fully intended to vote flp
2. I didn't actually vote flp so I'm not accountable

so what who cares this is a dumb reason to think he's scum when he's dropped lots of town tells in his latest posts

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How the fuck is mutually exclusive blatant contradiction only minor?

b/c it's not something more likely to come from scum

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FB, are you saying contradictions are a towntell?

Null usually.

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V/LA due to impending exams. Should be able to post enough to avoid replacement, but desperately looking for someone to hydra with me here nonetheless. Let me know if you know someone suitable!

Have you tried someone like Nexus? I know he plays smaller games, might play this *shrug*

DonJosh's catch up is underwhelming. What do you think of the NS wagon? No opinion at all?

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We should be!

CP, Kondi hop on!

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ScreamingHawk is literally confirmed town now.

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And I want whatever it is you're smoking.

He is not, in any way, shape, or form, confirmed town.

DEM CONFIRMED TOWNIES FUCKING UP YOUR WIN CON.

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if you don't think SH is town you're fucking dumb and/or scum

SK's post didn't look remotely serious to me Equinox. Do you disagree? Read them again, I think he knew what he was doing (and it's townish but) so it's not the same as the Hawk tell who clearly forgot this was white flag, as scum I think he'd at least have this on his mind.

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i'd not have signed up if i knew this had 3 week deadlines

can we just fucking lynch NS this is stupid he's scum let's kill him

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V/LA due to impending exams. Should be able to post enough to avoid replacement, but desperately looking for someone to hydra with me here nonetheless. Let me know if you know someone suitable!

you need someone to hydra with you but signed up for a new game?

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are you just a twat

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don't answer, i'll just go with 'yes'.

put more fucking votes on the garbage scumbag in front of us somebody. the fact he's not dead is a horrific display of ineptitude by the people not voting him.

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another person who doesn't know what a fucking lurker is, why am i surprised though it's NS and he's scum so he doesn't actually care if his arguments make sense

http://mafiascum.net/forum/search.php?a ... 7&sr=posts


we can lynch NS now, when you're all done pussy footing around.

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Vote: Equinox

Die, lurkerscum, die.

I actually like this. He keeps telling us to wait and then never provides us with a decent read afterwards. Suspicions rising.
(Vote stays on NS)

NS has provided no content all game b/c he's scum. don't lose faith now.

also that's not what lurking means, what you're describing is active lurking, ignore NS' (and earlier amrun's) correct word usage.

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To be fair, he /was/ V/LA

Hush, you.

LOL doesn't care he's making factually incorrect arguments

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No one thinks it's a towntell except fruit basket maybe, and he's simply wrong.

no u

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Twissted: why did you choose cp to replace?

this is an oddly phrased question

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never mind no it's not.

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I feel like this day is dragging. NS is clearly the day's lynch.

it is, we're just spinning wheels. NS isn't even doing anything and is clearly resigned to his faith, so it's not like we're gonna catch his buddies from his content.

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hey amrun is nobody special town or scum

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and mods shouldn't give replacements a choice as to who they replace but that's for MD.

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trekker is probably a crypto alt, he flaked around the same time as crypto replaced out of games. i thought they were in a game together earlier but can't seem to find it now

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Pidgey has arrived at his reads for all the wrong reasons.

More after I finish cramming.

this is a bad post

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you should take a look at my past games as town

^ don't do it, he's boring

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pidgey feels p sincere, @ the top of the page

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That's silly.

fos: amrun

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J can I get a link to your previously played game on here. do you have offsite experience?

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SH is obvtown (I said so before Equi too iirc!!)

(p.s. meta isn't faulty, it can be applied improperly of course)

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it's a fair post, though. NS is a good lynch. man speaks the truth.

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yeah, np.

the short of it is the mistakes he admitted to making sound sincere and genuine, the posts around where i called him town back before page 20 just sound like it'd be hard for newb scum to fake. he seems to be actively trying at least, and not that posting = town, but it just seems like he has no hidden agenda. that's a fancy way of saying it's mostly gut, i'll get specific quotes tomoz if need be. lazyyyyyyyyyy now.

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head 2 is sick and cutting down on games. You get more me for a while. fucking a star,

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A Star, or A*

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With the thought process of SHtown in mind, I dislike this post. SH's post does have legit back-up considering if NS does in fact flip town, it does look like Amrun is trying to avoid the town lynch for brownie points. It's WIFOM a tad but still I get why SH is saying that.What explanation from bvoigt? I also don't see SH calling you out on not voting NS but you actually just saying "No NS, let's go another route." but with nothing behind it. Rush the day? No one had really done that either. How is FB wrong in what he says?

Read. The. Game.

I'm tired of playing with people with the reading comprehension of my boyfriend's 3 year old nephew. That's rude and I'll regret it later when I'm less annoyed.

I'm not trying to avoid any lynch. SH's "reasoning" is fucking terrible and makes no sense. SH is town, but I'll probably not be ever taking his reads seriously because they're in la la land so far.

No one can call me out on "not voting NS" because there's NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. I don't have to vote for the popular wagon if I don't want to. I want to push for someone I think is scum over someone I don't really give a crap about one way or the other, like NS. That's how the GAME IS PLAYED. You say you don't like newbs, but you're acting like one. This isn't a 24 hour day where someone forms a wagon and that's just it, they're dead. This is a 3 week deadline and if I think another wagon may be more fruitful than the current wagon. I don't have to push the popular wagon just 'cause. I'm going to push who I think is scum. That's not "nothing behind it." I have a strong read on c_p with perfectly valid reasoning.

However, not pushing NS is NOT DEFENDING. And if I were defending NS, not only would you KNOW, it would not be a scumtell. I have a history of defending my townreads, and I do it vocally and continually. That is not what I am doing here.

If you want to know what explanation from bvoigt, you should maybe, idk, ISO BVOIGT - and again, I discuss this in my own iso.

I don't see a point in switching to NS unless it's deadline, which it isn't. That's what I meant by "not rushing the day."

I explained how FB was wrong about that topic in my iso, when we had a back and forth about it.

I am so tired of explaining to people about shit like this. Fucking read.

^ bad post

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it's only funny when i do it, l2play n00b

anyway Equinox TS paranoia looks legit and is a strong town tell based on what I know of her meta (which may range from an extensive knowledge to not very much at all), his whole roleplaying english gentleman thing is p usual for him, very baller indeed.

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I don't think amrun is scum

after all the invitations she had to join the NS wagon I strongly think she would have taken one. She made herself stand out by not voting NS. not a move i'd see scum taking

so I have to agree with NS that most of the obvious scum will be on the NS wagon. The only question is where to start

She didn't take much of a stance on NS all day, the wagon was obviously going through, why would she feel the need to join it as scum? She went between calling his wagon crap 'hmm'ing and sheeping Equinox's read on him as scum to half heartedly looking for a counterwagon.

Her efforts to get your slot lynched look completely insincere,and given her 'i'm not giving my reads up for love nor money' comment at the start of the game her play seems to resemble nothing like that. Read her ISO and check out her behaviour towards CP, it's not genuine.

SleepyKrew, Screaminghawk, Pidgey - with me!

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acting like a fucking moron doesn't suit you. i think you're scum and want you lynched, so naturally will disagree with a town read on you.

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VOTE: jerobbo

The people who are finding me scummy are scummy themselves. I'm confirmed town.

who is jerrobo?

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Blargh.

I was going to instavote Fruit Basket today, but I'm still here and I think they would have shot me if they were scum. I need to think about Twistedspoon, too. I'll go over my notes later today.

Twistedspoon, what's your read of SleepyKrew?

you were prepared to instavote me.you'd need to be alive for that to happen. walk me through this one.

i may or may not have shot you depending on who I may or may not be

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wat. donjosh just signed up for war in heaven. fucking douche.

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VOTE: jerobbo

The people who are finding me scummy are scummy themselves. I'm confirmed town.

who is jerrobo?

He's DonJosh's replacement.

What do you think of Amrun? Do you actually think she made any effort to get CP lynched yesterday, she basically sheeped your reasons and said she'd extensively talked about things she'd said fuck all about.

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acting like a fucking moron doesn't suit you. i think you're scum and want you lynched, so naturally will disagree with a town read on you.

Act like a decent human being and stop hiding behind your SECRET IDENTITIEZ

your irrational hatred for superhero's is baffling. (lol @ 'act like a decent human being' btw)

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HEROS

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amrun could you please point out the occasions on day 1 you felt you campaigned hard for a C_p lynch and made an effort to push it over every other lynch. your read looks really disengenous and i don't see any serious efforts to push the wagon from you. do you actually believe bvoigt was sheeping you or are you just trying to be contrary. i don't think you 'sheeped' him, in any respect i just don't think your push towards cp was sincere, bvoigt's at least looked sorta legit with you it seemed like you threw a vote down and never really bothered to do a whole lot else for the rest of the day. do you have a history of keeping your votes on dead wagons that i am unaware of?

Mod: I'll be V/la until tuesday, I think

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VOTE: jerobbo

The people who are finding me scummy are scummy themselves. I'm confirmed town.

lawl, "DON'T TRY TO MAKE A CASE ON ME OR YOU'RE SCUM"

mmhmm. And why are you confirmed town, again?

do you find his statement scummy or just annoying? idk why you'd find it scummy tbh

i mean his self meta is valid, and i actually agree w/ it. the only time i've seen him do :stuff: as town was in that ooba game where he was unlucky not to get the uk/chamber hydra deaded. also my other head is back so he'll be posting when he catches up fully. he has exp. with quilford too and agrees fwiw

(p sure fat is kinda confirmed for the numbers mix-up and screaminghawk for not getting the set-up but anyway)

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it's okay amrun i checked you said LET'S COUNTERWAGON CP

not a whole lot else admittedly. but thanks for admitting you didn't.

you sheeped his reasons b/c you were unwilling/unable to come up w/ your own, the initial vote was yours of course.

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nope!

and of course i can wait forever and a day for you if need be

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Yes. At the end of Day 1 when I FoSed you, I said to myself, "I'm voting Fruit Basket tomorrow because they're probably scum." When I saw the flip today, I changed my mind. I made it fairly obvious for what I was suspecting you, and nobody was really suspicious of you at the end of the Day. It'd have been simple enough to just shoot me dead and then talk yourself out of whoever brought up their concerns on Day 2.

oh. did you work out superman's alter ego or something then?

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p.s. that doesn't sound arrogant or conceited but okay.


also cases totally are scummy for chamber.

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explaining reading comprehension in a text based game would be literally impossible as someone unable to comprehend words would not realize what you're saying due to being unable to comprehend words.

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(ignore that^)

i don't understand what you're trying to say


(omg why didn't I initially post that notfair.jpg)

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Fat basically said that he thought we had 2(?) mislynches in this game, so I find it hard to believe he has buddies who he talked to or he'd have a better grasp of the game. Something like that, at any rate I find it hard to believe it came from scum and even less likely it was an intentional 'townslip'.

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What in particular was there to respond to in your post? It was fairly uninteresting in terms of me getting a read on you.

Fat did 'slip' too, though. let me get the post. (SH is obvtown too though, for fuck sake the guy didn't know if green meant town in the mods post)

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I can't find that post now. Am I confusing fat with someone else?

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That's kinda worrying actually <_< I feel like I'm losing my mind.

Can anyone else find it???

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Why does this town love shit wagons? Stop it.

which wagons in particular are you talking about

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oh okay

Ns wagon is crap.

Starting to rethink with her view on ns in mind as well.

NS isn't the worst lynch but C_P is far better.

No, especially in my eyes, you are saveable.

THAT POST and that amount of non-effort is not enough to do it.

No one can call me out on "not voting NS" because there's NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. I don't have to vote for the popular wagon if I don't want to. I want to push for someone I think is scum over someone I don't really give a crap about one way or the other, like NS.

However, not pushing NS is NOT DEFENDING. And if I were defending NS, not only would you KNOW, it would not be a scumtell. I have a history of defending my townreads, and I do it vocally and continually. That is not what I am doing here.


I don't see a point in switching to NS unless it's deadline, which it isn't. That's what I meant by "not rushing the day."
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NS

and the jerobbo wagon, obviously. Don't be such a derp.

OBVIOUSLY!

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but 'he wasn't the worst lynch', amrun. you were 'starting to rethink'.

it's probably just better to admit you didn't actually think the wagon was crap at the end of the day, btw. i mean the wagon was so crap you specificially went out of your way to say you were NOT DEFENDING NS. yeah, right.

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lol

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maybe you'll explain it better on the third go amrun

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#895 kinda bugs me but i'm too tired to look into why tonight. tomorrow mebbe.

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If I find you on two myslynch wagons equinox then I'm seriously going to consider you D3

*stares at Twistedspoon*

so you'd find a player who had a hand in lynching 2 townies not suspicious at all?

can you explain your usage of the smiley here? thanks. (not interested in the rest, want to know why you chose to use this particular smiley)

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TS giving me townvibes... Having a hard time moving on from my intense c_p scumread, though.

^ bullshit and fake

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yeah, i dislike bvoigt's town versus town thing, that's it, it's a phrase that raises my hackles in general.

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pidgey is a bad wagon, she looks pretty fucking town to me

think its all of it ^_^ ^^

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think its all of it ^_^ ^^

yeah, this was to ts' question. all of it. she barely did a fucking thing to get a cp wagon day one and now she's faking anguish about being unable to let her scumread go.

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more words? okay. only because you asked nicely

I think the reason your voting him is fairly weak. It's probably a stance he'd take regardless of alignment, the fact that slips shouldn't confirm people as town/scum (I disagree but w/e, it doesn't look like he's trying to 'undermine' confirmed townies or anything, at least. Are you trying to say it's some sort of slip, that him bringing his lack of knowledge up as a scumslip almost? I don't really see it like that, I don't know.

What do you think of his play aside from that? He looks reasonably good to me, I thought his first post looked fairly sincere and he seems to be trying to work things out.

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I still think Amrun and Fruit Basket are scum and would like to lynch either of those 2 today.

yeah I'm buss'ing amrun. help me lynch her.

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I still think Amrun and Fruit Basket are scum and would like to lynch either of those 2 today.

yeah I'm buss'ing amrun. help me lynch her.

Ok!

you forgot your vote!

i'm a bit distracted today and tomorrow, will get to this then.

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And yeah you're right, my conviction in going after you didn't match my initial replacement post but I felt like we needed to move things forward a bit with the scumhunting and it's definitely done that.

if you think me and amrun are scum why isn't your vote on amrun.

that like makes no sense from the perspective of someone who thinks we're both scum because we're 'scum together'.

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This, also I spent the whole of day 1 talking about C_p, which is ts.

also stop BLATANTLY FUCKING LYING. this isn't remotely close to what you did day 1.

i'll start magnaofillusioning this shit if we're not careful.

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Equinox how is your read-through going

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There is no mislynch wagon and I've had my "own reasons" for suspecting Amrun since, again, my first post in the game. A lot of things I've raised are scummy. Amrun's conduct as a whole is scummy and I'm not the only one who sees that.

if amrun's conduct as a whole is scummy why does it seem most of your analysis of her being scum relies on her argument being fake with me and thus scum with me.

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There was no reason for her to push a lurker's wagon to no avail when the perfect myslynch was being offered to her on a golden platter

she didn't push ANYTHING. she just did fucking nothing. she's scum and we're lynching her today.

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Fruit basket. I keep fkn forgetting he is in the game. Thats very bad. When scum plays cautiously its exactly what they expect, so since this has happened to me i should probably iso him later, too. Will do that later too.

i don't even understand what this means. also how can you keep forgetting i'm in the game? i've got the most posts.

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@Ekwee how is your read through going

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the fact amrun is getting away with this because of her 'rep' is sickening. grow a fucking set of balls and lynch her.

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Okay, so you sort of retracted it, but in a way that's silly. Maybe they didn't notice. Maybe FB argued vigorously for you to be dead, but their partners overruled. Maybe they didn't react to it with instant death like you thought they would.

^here's amrun trying to undermine a town read btw. you're resorting to hypotheticals like me not reading the thread as a reason to why equinox should have a scum read on me. i heard this is scummy, btw (from amrun herself)

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Spoiler:

Remind me why we're all voting for him already someone?

This is an awkward post and stands out to me the most so far.

VOTE: cross pollination


SleepyKrew is town.


Don't worry about Kondi; he'll flake anyway.


I'm v/la, but I wanted to show up here so I wasn't totally absent early game. I should be mostly back tomorrow evening.

Not seeing what you're seeing as scummy. He's trying to generate content. Some of it is reaching, sure, but it's page 3.

The reason they're saying c_p is town is because he objected to the early policy wagon, like, hey, why is this guy scummy?

I think it was awkward, though, and that scum would never be like "hell yeah we should lynch this guy on page 1 and I won't look totally scummy for pushing this!"

I don't know his experience level, but I'm aware that he looks a little newbish. I don't think he's townish; I think he leans slightly scummy, but null at best.

It is the WHOLE post, so how does it fit with the rest of itself? What? I don't think it looks natural.

p-edit: Null. NS' alignment will come with time, as it always does.

p-edit a million (forgot to post): C_P, can you tell me your previous mafia experience?

Cautious at first, but quick to vote later. c_p's posts just don't feel genuine. I've said as much before, but I'll say it again.

Equinox, this is about SH right?
Look, he's making two mutually exclusive arguments:
1. I fully intended to vote flp
2. I didn't actually vote flp so I'm not accountable

Have you never thought you did something when you didn't? I have.

I'm inclined to think SH is town as of right now.

Disappointed by no wagon on C_P.

NS isn't the worst lynch but C_P is far better.

THERE SHOULD BE A COUNTERWAGON AND IT SHOULD BE C_P

Actually I'm going to be keeping Amrun in mind regardless. Could be going for brownie points for not lynching town, assuming he knows who town is (i.e. he is scum)

You're so newb it's painful.

I'm not defending NS; at deadline, I will certainly vote for him. I see no reason to rush the day until then.

I have no reasons against an NS lynch. This has been pretty clear.

I've also pretty clearly demonstrated why I think c_p is scummy. The best explanation out there is bvoigt's, which I talked about somewhat extensively.

No one thinks it's a towntell except fruit basket maybe, and he's simply wrong.

HERE'S AMRUN'S PUSH ON CP DAY 1. HER FIRST 3 POSTS AND MAYBE FOUR MORE. WOW SHE SURE TRIED TO GET A FUCKING WAGON GOING. NOPE, NO SHE DIDN'T. there's literally no conviction in this scumread at all. how anyone can think different is fucking insane. but hey there's no reason why amrun is scummy. her fucking blatant bullshit makes me angry.


we've already shown her stance on NS is absolute scum garbage.

'he's a crap wagon'
'she might vote him'
'he should defend himself, that won't save him'
'she would vote him at deadline'

then she comes out today ignoring the fact she found him scummy (well you were fucking willing to vote him, so um?) and calls the wagon crap as a way to conveniently vote me. bullshit.

Fruit Basket not only committed the scumtell I noted there, but pushed Nobody Special waaaaay too hard in my opinion for what amounted to very little. Had NS been scum, FB would have been definitely town. NS being town throws a wrench in.

OH LOOK AN AMRUN READ LACKING ANY FUCKING CONVICTION. it 'throws a wrench' into things, what the fuck does that mean jesus christ. she literally doesn't care who's lynched as long as it's not her. she's scum.

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Maybe it's because the level of play for my last White Flag was so very high.

LOL

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LOL

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Those are vague aspersions

this pretty much sums up what you've done today you kettle.

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I hate this game.

If I were the type of person to replace out, I would do it now.

If you think I'm scum, lynch me.

we are. try and keep up. i'm sure you're upset, you think 'how the fuck did this retard catch me?' but it happens, to the best of us. you just drew a scum pm amrun. that's all. it doesn't make you a bad person, just scum.

also your BLATANTLY FAKE appeal to emotion is in the words of MOI 'noted'

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I've made better cases, but I hate this game so much that any time spent here is time that annoys me so I don't want to. And my level of convinction is not as high as I would like it to be, except that certain players are town.

oh so your excuse for shit cases is you're annoyed. i'm annoyed you're not lynched but i try and keep my chin up!

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Joke's on you, asshole.

^ Fruit Basket (1) - Amrun

yeah, amrun thinks I'm scum guys. she really does. just look how scummy she thinks I am.

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also your continual RAILING against me as some sort of fucking cunt while going around calling people retards and assholes is pissing me off. whatever i'm off for a while.

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you can just call me 'he', my masculinity is there for all to see.

twistedspoon replaced cp who i thought was town, so he's probably town. i don't really care about his opinion on amrun, since i have probably skimmed/read/seen most of her games on ms so my meta knowledge is pretty good, so that doesn't strike a chord. i'm going to re-read anyway though b/c i'm not as sure as i'm pretending to be (<_<) and her 1104 looks better than anything she's posted so far in the game.

i am more than intimately aware of the last white flag. i read along and hated every second of it <_<

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busy today, football's on

Spoiler: words for people

okay whatever. time to bounce ideas off people I know will help:
Equinox explain your strong town read on amrun. what am i missing that you're seeing? what do you think of gthe points I made on her lack of conviction w/r/t not only her vote today but also yesterday. what's your read on bvoigt btw?

ts: too care was probably not true, but i was mostly just saying but i trust my reads over yours (no offense, it's just i'm arrogant). i use meta, so reading games and reading scum quicktopics helps me get an insight. off the top of my head i've read designer, mafiascumfantasy camp, white flag, a jason game maybe x-files plus pretty much any large theme since i read them all. so I don't think being buddies gives a better insight, really. however since you and equinox both seem to have very strong town reads I guess i need to re-evaluate. oh, do you think pidgey is a good or bad guy?

sleepyykrew if not amrun then who? i initially thought jerro was scum w/ amrun btw, as he looked reluctant to switch his vote but now that seems very unlikely. i could see bvoigt but c_p makes little sense, since there's a real chance a wagon could gain momentum due to his standard of play.

i need to read through bvoigt and fatlikepig in more detail, give bvoigt's thoughts on jerro more thought and do any number of things but yeah.

screaminghawk you're nigh on confirmed town, share your thoughts please

amrun do you still feel sk is town

main point: can everyone post their top three by this time tomorrow?

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Answer my earlier questions, Ekwee.

Link me to 3 posts that make SleepyKrew scum.
Link me to 3 day 1 posts that make Amrun town.
Link me to 3 posts by pidgey you find interesting.

Hop, hop slacker!

No @ Quilford votes, btw. Read his ISO, read Equinox's reasons as to why he's town, look at TS' reasons in his latest post.

Mod: votecount plz

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I am. I think he's town.

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You can answer this after I've posted about Amrun, but why did you want three posts, specifically? Generally, people ask for posts that show X and Y are Z as opposed to an arbitrary number.

Well I already asked you to explain your town read on Amrun before that, since it wasn't that I thought at least 3 posts would be easy; after all you seem to have a strong town read on her. Then I just stuck to the number 3. Why do you care, anyway?

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Oh, and I thought it was obvious I meant interesting in terms of his alignment, I don't really care about anything else.

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The stronger it is the less posts you should need. I can explain why SH is town in one post, for instance. Whereas it'd take me a lot longer to try and elaborate on my feelings on Bvoigt or fatlikepig to pick 2 people.

Combined with #1144 what more info do you think I would possibly need anyway?

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Can we kill Amrun now? She doesn't even fucking care who gets lynched

he people I would rather have lynched are MUCH less viable, and my townread on SK was never strong and was significantly weakened by his lurking.

Though I am going to check back through for other wagon viability.

>Votes town read, realized she can probably get away w/ it bc equi
> gets called out on it
> cowers away and says will look for another candidate
> tries to cut deal to sheep twisted spoon

AGH. And people call her an amazing player ._.

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Is there a time when the deadline hits on Sunday?

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Okay, so from the mod's morning post it's Am, which basically means 4am Sunday morning EST, or so.

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I don't think SK is scum, the way he jumped on the NS wagon feels good to me. He thought NS was trying to manipulate him via meta and called him on it, I'd think if he's scum who KNOWS NS is town he's very likely to actually go and check out NS' meta (okay, slightly less likely to go double check) as he can just agree with NS.

FLP I could suppose at deadline, I guess. His play has been sort of 'neutral', boring almost. Like he doesn't seem to want to thread on any toes. The fact is I can't really remember what he's done, or any strong stances he's taken. I'm not saying he hasn't taken strong stances, but it's like he's a blind spot. He makes fairly reasonable points but I dunno some of the things he's doing don't look genuine. #772 and the later follow up opinions look fake, none of those things are scummy but can easily be spun as 'scummy', it feels like that about a lot of his play.

Bvoigt i'll get to in a bit, I need to go for a little while.

Is there seriously 6 people unwilling to lynch Amrun?

Her quilford vote was a joke, her Sk vote is a joke. Hey Quilford, if you're sheeping anyone sheep me~

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atm my order is something like
SH
Quilford/TS/
Equinox/SK
pidgey/jerrobo
FLP/Bvoigt
Amrun

town
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scum

i think i'd lynch bvoigt over flp atm just because amrun doesn't want to, though.

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Amrun

- Fruit Basket, SleepyKrew, jerobbo

L-3

bvoigt

: - fatlikepig, twistedspoon L-4

jerobbo

- ScreamingHawk, bvoigt L-4

fatlikepig

: - Twistedspoon, pidgey L-4

SleepyKrew

: - Equinox, Amrun, L-4
screaminghawk - quilford

Not Voting:

- None


With 11 Alive - 6 to lynch


Top 3:
FB: Amrun, bvoigt, Flp
TS: Fat, Bv quil(?)
Pidgey: quil,fat, bvoigt
amrun: fb?/flp?/bv
SH, bv, jerrobo, quil
Quil: Sh, podgey, flp(?)
bvoigt: jerrobo/???/??
jerrobo: amrun/fb/bvoigt/fat
SK: amrun/ts/bv
equinox: sk/bv/??

Okay. so this is depressing. it looks like I don't have 6 people willing to lynch amrun? if i messed up your top 3 point it out, this is just from your posts so w/e

I know pidget expressed a scumread, what's your opinion now? Quilford you willing to vote amrun at deadline?
bv/equi/ts/sh have all said no to amrun. FLP, what about you?

i wanna do a proper analysis of the rest of the players, or at least the viable lynches. equinox/bvoigt, who's your second choice?

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wait, amrun. why are you voting for a townread when flp and jerrobo are viable wagons? you have town reads on all 4 of the top wagons apart from yourself? you voted flp a while ago.

ts: thoughts on amrun's latest votes. also what do you think of the other 2 wagons (jerrobo and flp?)

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fat has 6 mentions at least and that's w/o bvoigt's full list. (thoug granted it's harder to notice since i change it from fat to flp every so often)

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wait, how can you think they're not at viable?

look at everyone's reads. the only people who REALLY wants SK dead is Equinox and she's wrong.

i'll make up my mind in a bit, no need to panic quite yet. ugh.

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ugh. fuck is it only a day to deadline?

okay, well i'll speed through this tomorrow hopefully.

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What do you think of jerobbo's interactions with Amrun?

i've kind of talked about this before. i initially thought he was bussing - i tried to goad him onto the amrun wagon, if you'll notice. basically my idea was that he wanted to lynch me. i'd flip town and he could naturally drop his scumread since most of his case on amrun comes from the fact we were staging an argument as scum together. i don't really think that's the case now, if there was anyone bussing amrun it'd be him (it's obv not SK). i don't think there is though.

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he was trying to get a counterwagon run up on Cross_Pollination.

i'll read the rest in a bit.

this counterwagon push must be invisible b/c i don't see it anywhere in her posts.

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it's only 'plainly obvious' if you have a really fucking loose definition of 'trying to get a counterwagon', because it flat out didn't happen if not. but sure 'disagree'

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i'm going to smash my face into a brick wall repeatedly actually. it seems more productive than trying to get a wagon on amrun.

now let me decide who i want to vote.

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bvoigt

: - fatlikepig, twistedspoon, jerrobo L-3

Amrun

- Fruit Basket, SleepyKrew L-4

jerobbo

- ScreamingHawk, bvoigt L-4

SleepyKrew

: - Equinox, Amrun, L-4

fatlikepig

: - pidgey L-5

screaminghawk

- quilford

Not Voting:

- None


With 11 Alive - 6 to lynch

is the vc i think


iso'ing bv and flp now.

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vote FLP

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Sorry, no replacements were made recently and I see no reason to change deadline as it may be a disadvantage to mafia.

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extending the deadline would benefit bvoigt.

reead the quote

extending the deadline would benefit bvoigt.

read the quote

now, see where i'm going with this?

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Yes the comment can be taken different ways but to me it indicates he's more likely to be town than not. Quite a lot more.

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Bvoigt! Join the FLP wagon for survival. Amrun will switch, she wants to save you surely, after all she has a really strong town read on you. That's 4. We can do eet!

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JUST. SAY. NO. DON'T. DO. BVOIGT. (i'm sure you're sexy but you know...let's not rope ya~)


Quilford and Jerrobo will switch. That's 6. FLASHWAGON GET.

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We have like 12 hours left.

Is there anyone on Bv willing to switch? Sk/TS/FLP/Jerobbo have said no. SK kinda too. . Equinox are you willing to help with the FLP wagon? What do you think of bvoigt and what I pointed out?

I'll wait on the answers but I don't think we've enough for a counterwagon.

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Er, not 12. I miscalculated. But I won't be awake by the time the deadline is, which is like 9am.

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Hi. Those who voted Bvoigt after the mod slip need to explain why they did so and why the mod saying that didn't help them get a town read. Because I for one think you have to be pretty stupid to not think that's a slip,

Bvoigt was the lynch

, extending the deadline would be unfair to scum...it literally meant he couldn't be scum.