Open 350: C9++ (Town Win!)

[Hoppster]

yeah I'm preeeeeeeeeeeeeetty sure SV has openly outed himself in F62

may be getting him mixed up, whatever, idrc.


VOTE: conman

because I can

but also to a lesser extent because he's scum

(it's mainly because I can)

[Hoppster]

i'm confused, zeekttlksfdwhatever

why aren't you voting conman

do you have some sort of voting restriction

because if you can vote conman, you probably should

[Hoppster]

I see why you're voting Conman Hoppster, but remember that he's a newb.

Conman, is this your first non-newbie game?

GET OUT OF MY HEAD

I have a few reasons for voting him and your answer is a fairly logical response to all of them. So, yeah, you may know what I'm thinking but I sure as hell don't know what you're thinking.

But uhm, although it's a logical response it's not a defence that makes me feel horribly guilty so I'm happy with my vote.

what makes you think our maverick friend conman is scum, hoppyfred, or are you just trying to get an RVS wagon going?

GET OUT OF MY HEAD

I see no pressing reason for me to reveal my reasons before anybody else has posted. Either work them out/do a Johhog or just vote with me because it's the cool thing to do.

yeah I'm preeeeeeeeeeeeeetty sure SV has openly outed himself in F62

eww

who reads that forum anyways?

you?

Original Roll String: 1d6 (STATIC)

1 6-Sided Dice: (6) = 6

farewell then amigos

[Hoppster]

I was trying to drag in some silly scum leaving myself at L-3 but you ruined it, oh well.

lolscum

(I'll assume you meant L-2 because you put yourself at L-3, so yeah.)

UNVOTE:
VOTE: pinkfloyd

L-2

(OMGGGG I PUT HIM AT L-2 I FELL FOR HIS SCUMTRAP WHOOOPS)

1. Trying to look helpful/pro-town but actually being useless ("OMG GAIZ JOHHOG IS CONFTOWN NOBODY FORGET THAT")
2. Making posts to look like he's being constructive when he's actually just making useless blanket attacks that don't add anything ("OMG GAIZ ANYBODY WHO MAKES A L-2 ON PAGE 2 IS CONFSCUM TRU STORY"
3. I'm not sure whether this post was serious or not, but whether intentional or not Zeek-dude makes a decent point here
4. "OMG GAIZ U ROOONED MAH GAMBIT OH WELL LET ME JUST LEAVE MY VOTE ON MYSELF ANYWAY EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO POINT TO IT NAO"

Basically everything he's been doing is a pathetically transparent attempt to look pro-town when actually he's doing nothing at all.

There's also a cognitive dissonance between his "lol look at me lure some scum into putting me at L-2 hehehe i'm so awesome" and his "LOL RVS IS RVS NO SUSPECTS OR MOMENTUM LET'S ALL HAVE A PARTY"

[Hoppster]

Damn you guys all got me, I'm mafia goon and my partners are ZeekLTK and Shattered Viewpoint.

Vote me though because I have been incredibly scummy and Hoppster is a god.

2 more votes now plox I demand it.

it's a fucking

game

, don't be such a sore loser. >_____>

Wouldn't suprise me if this post was actually completely true. If it is, you've ruined the whole game because... you're bitter that you're so terrible at scum? ... Seriously?

1 more!

I demand a lynch before 50 posts and even before everyone has posted!

it's so thoughtful of you to play against your win-con

it really makes me glad I joined this game

because who wants a game where we all play towards our win-cons and avoid breaking the rules

not me, that's for sure, that would just be unnecessarily dull

[Hoppster]

it's so thoughtful of you to play against your win-con

Scumslip?

wut

how is claiming scum playing towards ANY win-con?

(Hint: There are no Jesters in C9++)

[Hoppster]

for some reason I thought SV was shotty (SERIOUSLY COULD HAVE SWORN THIS)

but actually I just found out it's apparently [redacted]

o.0

/irrelevant-but-interesting(-to-me-at-least)

Oh no I know this is a game, that is why I am not taking this serious at all. I'm not a sore loser either, I don't know where that came from...

>>

Hoppster:

You're scum.

[Presents case]

>>

pinkfloyd:

[Ignores case]

YOU'RE RIGHT I'M SCUM PS HERE ARE MY SCUMBUDDIES BTW PLEASE LYNCH ME (HEHEAHAHA IF I'VE BEEN CAUGHT SO SOON MAY AS WELL RUIN THE GAME FOR EVERYBODY)

And if I do get lynched and I flip townie you all will have a nice wagon to look at.

well if you're town you should be able to analyse your wagon up to now without wasting a mislynch

sooooooooooooo

yeahhhhhhh

<adds quote to case of pinkfloyd trying to appear useful yet not being useful at all>

[Hoppster]

for some reason I thought SV was shotty (SERIOUSLY COULD HAVE SWORN THIS)

but actually I just found out it's apparently [redacted]

no, shotty is strungOver, (SO)
SV is nothing like shotty

also,w hat happened to your conman assalut? Do you still find him scummy and pink has just eclisped this?

THAT'S IT THAT'S WHY I WAS CONFUSED

conman is still minorly scummy but pinkfloyd has by far eclipsed him.

@ RedFF & Conman:

What do you think about pinkfloyd claiming scum?

[Hoppster]

I'm really bored. Let's speedlynch without asking for a claim again.

VOTE: kad2361

[Hoppster]

He's probably town. Oh well, risks!!

[Hoppster]

A VOTECOUNT JUST FOR ME?!

YAY I FEEL SPECIAL AND AWESOME

SUPERCOOL UNMATCHED BRILLIANCE AND INTELLIGENCE

[Hoppster]

not sure if srs

[Hoppster]

not sure if srs

[Hoppster]

not sure if srs

[Hoppster]

holy moly activity is terrible

approaching 24 hours since day 2 has started

just five people posted

TWO OF THEM WERE MAKING THEIR BAH POSTS

fffffffffffffff

and now Johhog is ill it's pretty much just going to have me not being completely sure whether Twistedspoon is being srs or not

[Hoppster]

no wagon analysis from yesterday?

do you think there was scum on the wagon yesterday

if so, who was it?

fine, what direction do you propose we take now?

if there is any alignment-related knowledge to be gained from the mishap yesterday what is it?

don't blame me for not being sure if srs



p-edit: not sure if srs

[Hoppster]

it makes me doubtful that you are reading

or at least it makes me doubtful that you are reading the same game as me

[Hoppster]

so you didn't read?

my 'not sure if srs' is validated.

please go and hang your head in shame.

[Hoppster]

oh yes new page that's right

[Hoppster]

YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T READ PROPERLY

GAH

[Hoppster]

BECAUSE IT IS SO MIND-NUMBINGLY OBVIOUS

[Hoppster]

ASDKJSLKFS

[Hoppster]

ATTA BOY

(missing a vote though)

[Hoppster]

DING DING DING WIFOM-ING

[Hoppster]

DING DING DING WIFOM-ING

[Hoppster]

Why is it he can be bad town but not bad scum or even good scum trying to look like bad town?


Let me answer that for you: DING DING DING WIFOM-ING

[Hoppster]

I'll let you choose my response.

Spoiler: A

BZZZZZZZZZT NOPE. Read the question, TRY AGAIN.

Spoiler: B

DING DING DING WIFOM-ING

[Hoppster]

k

[Hoppster]

lol obviously not

please define WIFOM for me

[Hoppster]

and while you're at it get your own head out of your ass.

you don't want to suffocate, that'd be a shame.

[Hoppster]

if you're stuck I hear that the wiki has a helpful guide for Newbies and also a list of abbreviations.

[Hoppster]

Bye.

Mod: Please consider replacing/mass-prodding all the non-posters while you're at it, paticularly the one or two who haven't even posted on Day 1

I hate all of you.


Sky, you should totally vot kad.

[Hoppster]

fyi 10 x 0 = 0

[Hoppster]

I must say you're doing fantastically at this replacement stuff, Mod

~Thank you

think we have enough to lynch now

[Hoppster]

no

do you know how to play mafia

because I'm superobvtown this game

[Hoppster]

I have scumhunted more than anybody else

I have more content than anybody else

I have made the only case of the game

I have a town wincon

So, yeah, preeeeeeeeeeeetty sure this is you being terrible.

[Hoppster]

please ISO me

I dare you

I'll wait

[Hoppster]

alternatively be less terrible

either work

[Hoppster]

also while you're at it buy me some popcorn please

[Hoppster]

icu browsing

I'll forgive you if you admit defeat immediately, you're obviously stalling because it takes literally 10 seconds to realise you're being a muppet

still want that popcorn though

sweet, not salty

[Hoppster]

if you buy two bags of popcorn I'll even point out my content for you and also teach you some basic scumhunting while we're at it

better be good popcorn though

[Hoppster]

huh looks like you logged off

don't worry, I understand how difficult it must be getting shown up like that

night night

[Hoppster]

owait you're back. weirrrrd

[Hoppster]

o did u log out to buy popcorn

i get it

[Hoppster]

don't you understand either

sigh

I'll do that tomorrow evening, gnite for now.

p.s. I expect popcorn tomorrow


p-edit: but you really were that bad, what can I say

also, you clealry haven't played with the SDC, I'm being called a dumbfuck in [redacted]

[Hoppster]

Awesome, been a while since I got worked up/INSPIRED enough to make a post like this. Fuck sleep.

You want to dedicate a post to me? Only fair for me to return the favour.

Spoiler: Post

The reason I was so insulting was because I SHOULD BE ABLE TO EXPECT THE OTHER PLAYERS IN THIS GAME TO BE MILDLY COMPETENT, and I was PISSED OFF. YES, PEOPLE MAKE POSTS LIKE THAT WHEN THEY ARE PISSED OFF. HINT, I AM PISSED OFF RIGHT NOW.

The less competent you are, the more work for me because I: a) have to pick up your share of scumhunting, and b) then have to distinguish between dumbtown and scum.

This isn't a Newbie game, you SHOULD KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO READ THE FUCKING THREAD.


I HAVE PUT MORE EFFORT INTO THIS GAME THAN SO MANY PEOPLE, NO SHIT I'M GOING TO BE PISSED OFF WHEN PEOPLE SAY I'M NOT PROVIDING CONTENT

AND FOR YOU TO COME ALONG AND JUST IGNORE MY CONTENT AND MY CASE IS A FUCKING SLAP

AND THEN FOR YOU TO CALL ME SCUM WHEN I'M SO OBVIOUSTOWN IS A FUCKING SLAP

WHEN CLEARLY YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ THE FUCKING THREAD

WHY SHOULD I NEED TO TELL YOU TO READ THE FUCKING THREAD

And now, to top it all off, even though I told you to READ THE FUCKING THREAD,

you obviously have arrogance-syndrome where you are struggling to come to terms with the fact that you were clearly

VERY BADLY FUCKING WRONG

about me being scum or providing no content or cases, and you have turned it into a policy lynch because OH BOO HOO HOPPSTER SAID SOME MEAN WORDS.

THEN YOU LECTURE ME ON FUCKING TOWN TEAMPLAY

WHEN YOU WEREN'T READING THE THREAD AND HAVE YOUR VOTE ON ME FOR REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN DEMONSTRATED TO BE FALSE

AND YOU CONTINUE TO CALL ME SCUM WHEN

I CAN TELL FROM THE WORDS YOU'VE USED THAT YOU KNOW I'M TOWN

WORDS FAIL ME

I'm not perfect. I make mistakes.

However, I'm willing to accept when I'm wrong; you clearly aren't.



-elaboration on the TS stuff coming tomorrow-



p-Edit: YES THERE IS SOME SPAM (I GET BORED BY MYSELF IN THIS THREAD SINCE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE :HAPPYLURKING:)

THERE IS STILL SCUMHUNTING

HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THIS

(THIS FUCKING GAME I DON'T EVEN

DO YOU ALL NOT CARE THAT I TRY WHEN SO MANY PEOPLE LURK

I COULD LURK TOO

BUT I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE ANTI-TOWN

[Hoppster]

oh, this game

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Viscera Eyes

Spoiler: rant and also some basic Mafia

Since this game has clearly degenerated into a Newbie game, I'm going to deviate from my desired playstyle and plan for this game and teach you how to play Mafia because the stupid in this thread is getting out of hand to the point that it's: a) fucking pissing me off, and b) honestly, I'm starting to get worried that you'll lynch me and then scum will win through stupid-town manipulation because clearly some of you couldn't identify scum if the Mod accidently sent you a link to their QT.



Mafia is the game of an uninformed majority against an informed minority.

AND THAT IS FUCKING IT.

It's not a game of "tell everybody else what you are thinking at every single point in time". That is just a really stupid way of looking at it which shows a basic fundamental misunderstanding of what the game is.

My win-condition is to get rid of the scum.

IT IS NOT TO SHOUT OUT OR EXPLAIN EVERY SINGLE POINT I THINK OF.

IT IS NOT TO BE NICE TO YOU ALL.

IT IS TO GET RID OF THE SCUM.

Some of you clearly think that all town players have to play in some pre-defined manner.

THAT IS WRONG

TOWN PLAYERS NEED TO GET RID OF THE SCUM, NOT PLAY IN SOME PRE-DEFINED MANNER.



Some of you seem to think that because I'm not playing in a <insert retarded pre-conception here> way, I MUST BE SCUM LOL

Well that is just FUCKING STUPID, and you should feel bad.

I have been advancing the town win-con in my own way. I have noted points, but I haven't pointed them all out because THAT IS NOT WHAT I DECIDED WAS THE BEST WAY TO ADVANCE THE TOWN WIN-CON IN THIS PATICULAR SCENARIO.

YOU DON'T HAVE SHOUT OUT EVERY SINGLE POINT YOU NOTICE

YOU IDENTIFY AND THEN GET RID OF SCUM. THAT DOES NOT MEAN ALWAYS SHOUT OUT EVERY POINT YOU NOTICE.


Take for instance, the kad hammer.

TO ANYBODY WITH HALF A BRAIN, THAT IS A FUCKING AWFUL HAMMER.

I don't however scream "OMG LOL LOOK AT THAT HAMMER HE CLEARLY REALISES HE IS HAMMERING TOWN WHAT A SCUMBAG". I vote him - to anybody reading the game it is clear why I have voted him, but I am also looking to see who gets it without me spelling it out and who doesn't... or who pretends to not get it.



This game I have been fishing for reactions. This means that I throw in various things just to see how people react and then from this conclude reads.

That terrible terrible kad hammer was a PERFECT thing to fish for reactions from - I wanted to see who joined and who distanced from the wagon, etc - hence why I was SO PISSED OFF THAT EVERYBODY SUDDENLY DECIDED TO LURK.

I did however realise early today that some town are COMPLETE MORONS (IT'S A GOOD JOB I HAD THAT FORESIGHT) so I breadcrumbed my fishing:

A VOTECOUNT JUST FOR ME?!

YAY I FEEL SPECIAL AND AWESOME

S

UPER

C

OOL

U

N

M

ATCHED

B

RILLIANCE

A

ND

I

N

T

ELLIGENCE

Anyway, I could reallllllly have done with waiting until more people have posted, but because the vast majority of the players have gone :STUPIDFACE: I'm having to end my plans now.

Thank fuck that the scum have claimed scum, good to know.

For anybody who cares:

VisceraEyes
kad
RedFF
Sky

(3 of the 4)


Admittedly not everybody has posted and I will re-evaluate then, but even without everybody posting I'm ~70% sure I've got the scumteam nailed completely in that 4. I am absolutely confident that I have at least 1 scum if not 2.

I would normally just vote and scream OBVSCUM right now, but I fear for the stupid, so here are my cases.

VisceraEyes

oh my word where do I start

how about here:

Townies are on a TEAM against the scum TEAM. Demeaning and belittling your TEAMMATES is a bad fucking way to play

^^^ this quote quite blatantly shows that he knows I am town.

Now, I originally read this as that he knew I was town and that he was probably town (because he is pissed off that I am belittling him), hence where I originally developed my arrogant/stubborn-town read (YES I DIDN'T MENTION IT THAT'S WHAT YOU DO IN MAFIA YOU DON'T TELL EVERYBODY ALL YOUR READS ALL THE FUCKING TIME).

HOWEVER

He has since denied knowing I'm town and instead continues to push me as scum. So, this means that he scumslipped by letting up I'm town. Good job, VisceraEyes!

I have thus concluded that he is referring to me belittling Twistedspoon, therefore when VisceraEyes flips scum, Eijolend (and I) are confirmed town.



Next:

Yesterday was a quicklynch, and the only bit of 'analysis' to be done on it is A) who started it and B) who hammered. Because 90% of the town is focused on Kad for the hammer, I'm looking at who started it. And I think I've found scum. If you disagree, that's totally cool...but stop acting like a fucking child. Stop chainsaw defending Hoppster, there's literally NO reason to trust him. On the contrary, he's one of the only people with sufficient reason NOT to trust him. A) he led a mislynch wagon and B) he's acting like a jackass to people who are actually trying to play the game. You now also fall into that second category, but you're confirmed town.

^^^ absolute gold.

I am scum because I led a mislynch? OH YES BECAUSE THOSE SCUM ARE ALWAYS LEADING MISLYNCHES AND TOWN NEVER LEAD MISLYNCHES THAT'S A FANTASTIC CASE

A++++ for effort though.

He then goes on to admit that it's basically a policy lynch because he doesn't like me.

A++++



Finally:

Yes Hoppy, let's reflect on all of this 'effort' you've put into this game, subtracting the Pink case and subsequent wagon.

^^^ also gold

"I'M GOING TO MAKE A CASE ON YOU (BUT BTW I AM IGNORING ALL THE POSTS WHERE YOU ARE OBVTOWN)"

And the 'case' is basically one arguing I have put no effort in, which is: a) wrong, b) not indicative of scum anyway, c) if it were indicative of scum there are so many people who have put in less effort than me, d) basically him not making any productive analysis at all, instead trying (and failing) to mimic my style of cutting attacks and he ends up looking like wounded scum. Awwww.

For future reference, if you want to try that again: my cutting attacks are used in the context of somebody being stupid or useless and by themselves do not make a case. So perhaps arguably your case makes me look useless (I don't think it does, but that's subjective) but to even the dimmest of folks it won't make me look scummy. That's why your case looks so terrible, if you were wondering.

Kad

seriously wut

if you don't know what I mean, read him in ISO. You'll know.

(I will write this out if needed, but really...)

RedFF

i wanna see what kad has to say that hammer was silly

^^^ avoids taking stance on kad but sets himself up for opportunistic bandwagoning. Big no-no.

not sure, im kinda waiting for the game to kick back up again. ill iso hoppster tomorrow if you dont make a case

^^^ what the fuck is this

setting himself up for opportunistic bandwagoning again

Sorry. I just had to do it.

LOLOLOLOLOL
VOTE: kad

yep thought so

difference between you and kad is that you posted your crappy reason in ALL CAPS while kad just said what you were thinking.

VOTE: hoppster

yep thought so


I had a FUCKING CASE on pinkfloyd, kad said "lol lynch town". HOW ARE THOSE EVEN REMOTELY SIMILAR.

Sky

Also, you can't have speed lynches AND expect quality content and scumhunting. Might as well place my vote for now, Hoppster as scum is sounding better.
VOTE: Hoppster

^^^ this is a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE vote on me.

I DIDN'T WANT TO SPEED LYNCH DAY 1, and if you were READING you would know that from my vote on kad (AND I CLEARLY AM NOT BEING SERIOUS ABOUT THE SPEED LYNCH TODAY).

The whole post just reeks of "hmmm looks like this wagon is taking off, I'MA GONNA GET ON NOW!"

@ eijolend:

Being useful is not always related to being superobvtown. You can be useful but be scum, you can be useless but superobvtown.

[Hoppster]

Stop being terrible redFF.

Hoppster: while I agree that the four you pointed out seem scummy, do you really think that they all would be that obvious, all jumping on you? No, I'd say it's maximum two of them, if so I have a gut feeling for Sky and Viscera as a team. If only one scum is within your gang of four Kad is almost surescum. I have kind of a town read on Red tbh.

You have a point.

I do quite like a Viscera/Sky/kad team though.

^ ^ ^

People voting Hoppster: VE, redFF, Sky
Hoppster's 'Scumteam: VE, redFF, Sky, kad

What an idiot.

I am impressed by your response to my case calling you and your buddies scum and pointing out your scumslip.

Good job.

Actually...

I just realised Sky is probscum even if there is only one scum in your group of four, if so one could interpret it as him wanting to jump on an easy bandwagon. If so we should probably find his mates lurking or something similar.

Imo he is equally scummy to Viscera, and Viscera is at least trying to look pro-town.

So what do you say Hoppster, Viscera or Sky?

PEdit: Oh scratch that, seems like Viscera just dropped his pants completely.

ehhhhhh my brain was telling me Sky should go first over Viscera because Sky seems like more cunning/sly-scum and Viscera is just fail-scum. But then Viscera is just an annoyingfailscum so I ignored my brain. >___>

They're both probably scum, with the third either being kad or somebody lurking/flaking.

Hoppy, which is it: was your vote on Kad serious because his hammer was god-awful or was it Scumbait?

The vote was serious.

The lack of elaboration was prodding for responses.

Twistedspoon's response for example was probtown (now conftown almost) and red's was probscum.

[Hoppster]

Oh Joh, you're so cute.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 62&t=13720

10/10

What kind of responses did you expect? I found nothing strange with your lack of elaboration and I did the same myself.

I wasn't sure what I would get tbqh (Fate would scream at me I'm doing reactionfishing wrong, but idrc).

I thought interesting stuff would happen - kad self-voting I considered, I expected at least a few people to strongly defend kad, etc, and I was just going to analyse it once it was there. (But, yeah, Magikarp used Splah! Nothing happened.)

I assumed your lack of elaboration was just because you understood what I was doing (and with the QUICKLYNCH NAO I couldn't have asked for better reaction-testing-stuffz from you to work with in combination either. REAL shame everybody decided to not post).


WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH TO LYNCH NOW EVEN ALLOWING FOR 3 SCUM WOOO

[Hoppster]

Add clumsy rolefishing to the cases against VisceraEyes and Sky.

Bigger post this evening.

[Hoppster]

Yeah, it WAS clumsy.

[Hoppster]

It shows that you're acting like a prick and my point is that you shouldn't act like a prick because no one will listen to you. Clearly I was mistaken, but hey...we all make mistakes right?

ummm no

when you try painting over a scumslip, generally your excuse should at the very least vaguely explain away your scumslip

Townies are on a TEAM against the scum TEAM. Demeaning and belittling your TEAMMATES is a bad fucking way to play

^^^ this shows you know I am town, because you're saying that I am belittling my town teammates. Maybe I'm a prickish town but you strongly suggest I am town nonetheless. SOooooo nice try but this is still a scumslip.

No, I didn't scumslip anything because I'm not scum.

oh i c wut u did thar, stating a lie as a fact.

No, I'm referring to you belittling anyone who questions you. Obviously that includes TS AND myself at this point.

reading is tech

I already showed how you couldn't be referring to yourself because that would mean I was town in your eyes (and would also require you to be town).

Nice misrep. I wasn't saying that BECAUSE you led a mislynch you're scum. I'm saying that because you led a mislynch AND you're acting like a total douchebag

oh yes, my bad

because two tells non-indicative of scum, when combined together become totally indicative of scum.

just so you know, I'm wearing a green and blue shirt right now and I am also lying on my bed. You might want to incorporate that into your argument as well.

Except, you're not playing in a way that rewards activity are you? You're playing in a way that DISCOURAGES activity because if anyone says anything you don't like, you'll immediately either browbeat them for being 'lolbad' or call them scum. In either case, no one wants to post in that kind of fucking environment. Get over yourself bro. Your points are bad. Your methods are deplorable. I can't WAIT to see you hang.

I already explained my "RAARGH ACTIVITY" post, I was trying to get reactions (and the more time scum have to dwell on things like that, the less informative their posts are).

Also, while I do still want activity, I don't want activity if it's people being stupid. You're basically arguing that if I asked for a puppy, I have no right to be upset when you give me a dead puppy that has been mutiliated into something resembling spaghetti bolognaise.

What's funny about this is that the pink case was fucking AWFUL bro! Go back and look at it! It says 'He posts fluff. He's trying to look pro-town. He's scum!' Not only that, but it doesn't make you 'obvTown' in the least!

no, the funny thing is that you think you're right when you're really really wrong

because on PAGE FUCKING TWO, that really IS a ridiculously good case.

(I become pretty obvtown through virtue of my case being awesome.)

I intentionally left off the Pink case to see if you'd mention it. OH WOWIE!! LOOKIE! YOU DID! IT would be one thing if I hadn't said I was leaving off the pink case, but I SPECIFICALLY SAID I was going to leave off the pink case. Based on the TONE of this post alone, I'm willing to concede that you're actually putting in effort now. But you're still scum to me bro. SOOOORRYYYYYYY!

umm, arguing that you used pre-emptive discreditation doesn't make you look town just fyi

I'm beginning to feel a bit embarassed for you now.

Hoppster is doing a lot of...AtE? If I'm using my terminology correctly. Dude. Stop trying to make a big deal about your contributions. Sure, maybe you've posted a bit more content than others, but face it. This game is a place void of activity and content.

I am PERFECTLY ENTITLED to make a big deal about my contributions if I am being attacked FOR NOT CONTRIBUTING.

IT COULD LITERALLY NOT BE MORE RELEVANT.

Do not see case of VE scum.

Luckily for you, I made a case! Now you can see it!

sigh since i know a hoppster lynch is not happening today with this town and hoppsters dick is so far down johhog's throat all he can do is post image macros

VOTE: visceraeyes

we lynch hoppster tomorrow

unless ve is scum, then i dunno lol

thats l-1 i think

claim ve

oh my fucking god

let's take a look at what you posted literally just 30 minutes before that:

ve is still town

?????????

Voting a town-read and forcing a claim... why?

So might you redFF. You haven't done a bit of scumhunting this game. I'd say quite a bit has happened, why don't you start giving rational opinions and not useless drivel?

I don't understand how a townDoctor-VisceraEyes could not have a ridiculously strong scumread on RedFF after he claimed having a town-read on you but put you to L-1 and forced you to claim

In all fairness, red has been playing almost exclusively on a site that has 48 hour days. He's also pretty decent. I'm going to give him time before I commit a vote.

oh you're scumbuddies together

that weird response makes sense now

friendly advice for the future: don't defend your scumbuddy but then also set yourself up for a future bus

in the same post

.

redFF, you're giving up awfully quickly on this Hoppy wagon if you're town bro. Do you not think he's scum anymore?

please stop

your interactions are so awkward that it hurts my eyes

i think [Hoppster i]s scum, but ive put forward a case and all i got is lolbad and its pretty clear that this town won't lynch him today...

this is a ridiculously implausible tone of voice for town to adopt whilst engaging in conversation with somebody who they put at L-1 and just forced to claim; you're talking like you're old friends. I suppose DonJosh must have opened the scum QT pre-game, that would explain it.

also, I showed why your case was terrible and provided a far better case on yourself and you laughed it off as OMGUS, not sure why that makes me lolbad.

Unless by "ive put foward a case and all i got is lolbad" you mean that "ive put foward a case and all I

have

is lolbad", in which case I understand completely.





UNVOTE:
VOTE: redFF

Likely scum with VisceraEyes. I'm not buying that Doctor claim at all, but it's probably better to wait until late-game/mass-claim situations to start whittling down the scum in the claimed PRs.

[Hoppster]

>___>

fine, I'll bear that in mind and re-evaluate later.

going to sleep now.


p-edit:

Also saying your case is awesome does not make it so. Nice try scum.

yeah you said my case was bad so I said it was awesome and now you're telling me I can't say that even though I provided logical reasons and you provided nonsensical gibberish, sooooooooo



p-edit2:

Also its subject flipped town...as I will if you push my lynch. That's two mislynches that your 'awesomeness' has led town to. You're not even close to as 'awesome' as you think you are Hoppy. I think maybe YOU could benefit from a newbie game or two...probably not though because the newbie mods would kick your ass out of their games for being insulting.

You should NEVER leave F62 again.

please link me to anybody who has a 100% lynching scum rate as town

tia

Love, Hoppster the Awesome

xxx

[Hoppster]

was lying in bed and just realised VisceraEyes scumslipped again

where he whines about how I'm so totally not awesome because of mislynches: THAT IS ONLY A VALID POINT TO QQ ABOUT IF I AM TOWN! If I were scum, I would have KNOWN that pinkfloyd was town so him flipping town would have no bearing on how awesome I was!

bahahahaha

[Hoppster]

fine, I'll bear that in mind and re-evaluate later.

^^^ about this:

Re-evaluated, and redFF is still scum with VisceraEyes.

VisceraEyes claims that redFF is a decent player, yet is seemingly unpeturbed when redFF puts him at L-1 and forces him to claim DESPITE HAVING A TOWN-READ ON HIM - a move that is certainly not one befitting of a 'decent' player (which VisceraEyes says is typical of townRedFF), but VE has no immediate problems with redFF after the vote. Their interactions are bogus.



This is an incredibly terrible dismissal of my case by VisceraEyes. He's basically saying "well none of those can be scumtells because he flipped town, LOL", and besides that continues to overlook the fact that it was PAGE TWO and that is a ridiculously strong case to have amassed by PAGE TWO.


To break it down point by point:

A) No, this is not a null-tell. If both town and scum CAN do something, it is NOT AUTOMATICALLY A NULL-TELL. Bad-town will do this, yes; both bad-scum and also notbad-scum will do this because it is scum-motivated behaviour / beneficial to scum.

B) Again, blanket attacks are more likely to come from scum as it is scum-motivated behaviour. (Also, avoid using terms like 'WIFOM' if you don't actually know what they mean.)

C) That point has nothing to do with self-votes.

D) That's completely missing the point: pinkfloyd was exhibiting behaviour which was illogical for town but could be a simple oversight from scum. (Flipping town does NOT AUTOMATICALLY MAKE A SCUM-TELL INTO A NULL-TELL.)

OH NOES!!! I CAN'T COME UP WIF A CAES SO I HAF TO INVRNT SCUMSLIPZ!!! HERP DERP

This is a scum-claim.

I HAVE come up with a case and also responded to his rebuttal (ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE FFS).

The scumslip I have pointed out is also incredibly damning. He knows this and as such can't even come up with any way to brush over it so instead resorts to... um, a rather

'special'

attempt to discredit me.


Here's the explanation of his scumslip again:

was lying in bed and just realised VisceraEyes scumslipped again

where he whines about how I'm so totally not awesome because of mislynches: THAT IS ONLY A VALID POINT TO QQ ABOUT IF I AM TOWN! If I were scum, I would have KNOWN that pinkfloyd was town so him flipping town would have no bearing on how awesome I was!

bahahahaha

I'm referring to him QQ'ing here:

Also its subject flipped town...as I will if you push my lynch. That's two mislynches that your 'awesomeness' has led town to. You're not even close to as 'awesome' as you think you are Hoppy.

red actually IS pretty decent at this game. I mean, I'm using the term loosely, but even still he's not exhibiting any of the better qualities I'm used to seeing from townFF. He's not posting in spite of a lot of shit happening, he's not asking questions or clarifying peoples' reads. He's just popping in to throw a meaningless comment in and disappearing again.

yeahhhhh it's weird how you've only expressed suspicion of redFF (in fact, anybody but me) since it became clear that not everybody was "herpa derpa hoppster is scum"

and by weird, I mean incredibly scummy

and by incredibly scummy, I mean "please stop claiming scum, it's getting rather tedious and predictable"

and by "please stop claiming scum, it's getting rather tedious and predictable", I mean "please keep claiming scum, because it's leading us right to your buddies and I am rather enjoying watching obvscum thrash about so wildly"

and by thrashing about wildly, I mean being about as effective as a Magikarp using Splash.

This is a no-brainer guys. Hoppster is pushing an anti-town sentiment of 'YOU CAN'T TELL ME HOW TO PLAY! I DON'T NEED TO SHARE THOUGHTS WITH THE REST OF TOWN IF I DON'T WANT TO'.

you do realise that's not an anti-town sentiment

all competent players play like that to some extent (some more than others obviously, but I guarantee all competent players will incorporate it to some extent if even at a subconcious level)

i cba to explain this properly, but on a very basic level, it's why we don't mass-claim immediately, because the information would be more beneficial to scum than to town

and when you notice somebody giving off Cop-tells, you don't shout about it

Hiding information/thoughts is NOT ANTI-TOWN BY ANY MEANS. It's usually a sign of basic competence.

Do not see case of VE scum.

Luckily for you, I made a case! Now you can see it!

@ Sky:

You have failed to respond to my VE case even after I kindly pointed it out for you. Kindly rectify this.

[Hoppster]

Hoppster, I don't have a good read on redFF, but I think it's pointless going after VE's...slot. I want a kad/sky lynch. I want them both to answer my freaking questions. I want people to respond to others before going away on V/LA.

I'm down with either a redFF, Sky or kad lynch.

Slight preference for redFF as he's by far the strongest linked with kuribo's slot which is essentially confscum (and ohman that scumflip will make me feel awesome)

:')

I also feel there is marginally more weight to the redFF case (see heeyure and also add to that his horrific L-1 vote)

oh what the hell, why did this guy blow his load with a claim already?

I'm gonna read this mess when I get home from work, and there damn well better be a good reason he did that.

it's not a 'good reason' as such, but the explanation is that VisceraEyes is terrible

not gonna lie, you've got your work cut out for you this game kuribo

I recommend reading through VisceraEyes' ISO (prepare for a compulsive need to facepalm), and then you can have a nice bitch post-game about how terrible he was and how you were screwed from the start but you still managed to survive for so long etc.

I imagine it will be quite therapeutic

can't say i blame vis for replacing out, hoppster is still scum and sky is still his scumbuddy who attempted a shitty bus.

ok

I eagerly await your slamdunk case

please bring popcorn, VisceraEyes never bought it in the end

i am trying and i found 2 scum...

awesome, just name the two other scum for us and we'll lynch them asap

in the interests of time, I wouldn't even bother paraphrasing your role pm, that will take too long.

just quote it for us

Maximum Efficiency

i'm going to expose the scum to set you guys up to curb stomp them after i die tonight

oh u

not even you can take back VisceraEyes' scumtastic play this game

okay, re-reading now, get ready for a smorgasbord of posts while i tell you which ones of you are scum, and which of you are just idiots.

those aren't mutually exclusive

case in point: VisceraEyes

what the hell was this shit? did you really think you had put together a serious case against someone after 30-odd posts? did you REALLY?

the strength of a case should be taken relative to the length of the game, that's a shitty endgame case but the best damn case for a serious vote on page 2 I've ever seen, if I may say so myself (and I do)

obviously it wasn't SLAMDUNK, but still pretty solid for page two

[Hoppster]

no it fucking isn't, it's NOTHING, and if you were serious about it being a case, you're either scum or developmentally disabled

well I am 16 so I suppose I am probably still developing a bit

I'll make a note to check with my Doctor, thanx for bringing this to my attention

no wagon analysis from yesterday?

oh, look, someone brings logic to this shitstorm

WE'LL HAVE NONE OF THAT IN THIS TOWN MISTER

ummm wagon analysis on that wagon with that hammer

is not fucking necessary

even I can see that, and I'm developmentally disabled

all of these things are bold-faced lies

so it's not that I nailed your predecessor as scum or anything like that

just checking

guess you won't be surprised if i call you a dumbfuck here, too

actually I am slightly suprised

because relative to VisceraEyes I am basically on Sir Isaac Newton's level

so I didn't think you'd notice I was a dumbfuck

you know god damn well you weren't fucking reaction fishing.

ok

how the fuck is that rolefishing, you god damn semen salesman?

oh kuribo

it would seem that the stupid is infectious

or perhaps you're rolefishing here as well by trying to get me to talk more about how I knew that VisceraEyes was rolefishing

no he fucking doesn't!

just going to check again

does this have anything to do with the fact that my comprehensive cases show that your slot is scum?

unless you think you've found some serious breadcrumb, you really need to get your head out of your ass.

oh, so you

were

rolefishing just now

UNVOTE: VOTE: redFFLikely scum with VisceraEyes. I'm not buying that Doctor claim at all, but it's probably better to wait until late-game/mass-claim situations to start whittling down the scum in the claimed PRs.

what he's really saying is "oh shit, i better kick red to the curb, and besides I can just kill VE tonight since no one can protect the doctor but if i advocate lynching it, they'll know i'm scummy mcfuckingscummerson"

i did advocate lynching the claimed doctor

just not today (at that point in time)

now

i'm really not too bothered because your slot and redFF are linked together so we can lynch B tomorrow when A flips scum or vice-versa

plus your slots are both ridiculously scummy independent of each other as well

win/win

[Hoppster]

now i'm really not too bothered because your slot and redFF are linked together so we can lynch B tomorrow when A flips scum or vice-versaplus your slots are both ridiculously scummy independent of each other as wellwin/win

listen, jizz genius, you've foreshit your quota, bussing red at this point won't fucking help you now

should i bus you instead then?

i imagine your scumflip would probably help me a fair bit

so you're claiming semen salesman as your role?

i can be a semen salesman if you want me to be one

ummm wagon analysis on that wagon with that hammeris not fucking necessaryeven I can see that, and I'm developmentally disabled

hey, you're right, why bother looking at why town was fucking quicklynched and wasted a whole day?

you're implying that it would take effort

not sure if srs

[Hoppster]

i don't think you understand the concept of a mislynch

(you need to be town to be mislynched)

[Hoppster]

red needs to vig an empty slot (preferably kad).

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sky

yeahhh it's a funny coincidence how you seem to flip flop on me whenever people replace in isn't it


VE: hahaha Hoppster scum
Hiraki/skenvoy: no actually he emotional or sumat
Kuribo: he scum bro ALSO TERRIBLE LOL



Die, you opportunistic scumbag.

[Hoppster]

Unfortunately my laptop seems to be in a state of perpetual fail, so from now on until -whenever it stops being fail- I'm stuck with phone posting. Sorry.


So basically I'll try to make more (but short) posts.


redFF is lolololbad but the claim makes me lean town, particularly if Sky is scum. It's an easily confirmable claim (and will make him conftown if successful) and imho it is probably the worst fakeclaim for scum (invites any actual one-shot vigs to just kill him tonight as there can only be one). If Sky is scum (particularly non-goon) then redFFscum would have just postponed his own death at the expense of a buddy, which seems incredibly counterproductive when he could have fakeclaimed something else (which thus makes it an unlikely scenario).


Out of interest, kuribo, have you seen VisceraEyes' scumslips that basically confirm me as town if/when you flip scum? (Just wondering.)

[Hoppster]

when I see Y scumslipping that X is town

then it's a pretty good bet that Y is scum and unless they are ridiculously cunning (not the case with VE) that X is town

you(r slot) is Y

I just so happen to be X (so I know I'm not your scumbuddy anyway)

You see how this works?

If you want to try and link to me so we look like buddies, then whatever

But really town would have to be superterrible to think my attacks on VE were bussing

So I may as well be conftown in that case

(Why would that get me scumpoints when from your 'town' POV this should be an impossible situation so it shouldn't matter whether I think I am conftown or not if you flip scum?)

[Hoppster]

oh u

I c ure pissed off and don't understand why you can't get me mislynched

I am secure in my towniness.

VE's case on me was lolfail 'u no contribute' iirc (too lazy to look it up from phone), so it was incredibly relevant to bring up how I had totally made the only case.

And my early game posts show ridiculous amounts of pro-town motivation relative to everybody else: superobvtown was an exaggeration but having me as the scummiest at that point is just godawful. Since then I have done awesome things, most notably pointing out VE's scumslips which I am very doubtful scum!Hoppster would have noticed (he's cool but not as cool as town!Hoppster) - after all, I only noticed them because I am town but I realised VE shouldn't know that (also he was attacking me). Also, you keep accusing me of being terrible scum: I am absolutely certain any terrible scum would not have picked up on a slip like that from a scumbuddy (your slot is still scum in this hypothetical situation because... VE scumslipped?) because they are quite subtle really.


Although your subsequent failure to address the scumslips I pointed out, instead trying to paint me as terriblescum, isn't quite so subtle.

[Hoppster]

see

when you say they're not scumslips

that's when you show your excuse for why they are not scumslips

you don't need to be VisceraEyes to explain how they are/aren't scumslips (I showed what he was thinking and how they were scumslips just fine)

either they are made from the POV of an uninformed (majority) or informed (minority)

I showed how they were from the informed minority and weren't from somebody unaware of my alignment

you say I am wrong

explanation or GTFO

[Hoppster]

you're a fucking idiot

you know god damn well i can't explain something said by another fucking person


you sack of shit

Town do not make posts where they show they know person X is town yet attack him. Scum clearly do.

You claim you are town: hence there must be an innocent explanation for VE's scumslips if you are not a lying scumbag.

You claim you can't see into his head or whatever - this is somebody who is guaranteed to the same fucking alignment and role as you. However, when I attack anybody (APART FROM YOU), even though you shouldn't know my alignment or role, suddenly you say you can see into my head and I am obvbussing, ofc.

hahahahahaha oh u


If I wanted you dead tonight kuribo, I'd lynch you today. I'm only not pushing you for a lynch today because of redFF's probtown claim (so the scumbuddy interactions between your slots are null and void), so I'd rather you live to massclaim as if town you may be able to become conftown of sorts. My suspicions are however clearly on record should I die at any point.

You clearly have no fucking idea how town think in this setup.



In other news, Sky has clearly not read my games. I don't have a consistent playstyle.

My reads should be perfectly clear: for the most of today they've been consistent and they've only changed recently but it should be pretty obvious how.

[Hoppster]

Tell you what kuribo, I'll have a think overnight. I'll get back to you on that 1v1 stuff tomorrow.

You can go and suck on a carrot if you think I'm dumb enough to go into a 1v1 with you today when I already have scum lined up for a lynch.



Eijolend: scumslips MAY create WIFOM, yes, but it's good WIFOM - it leads to a scumlynch (and only then there is WIFOM of "would [now lynched] scum have done X to his buddy")

[Hoppster]

patience kuribo

patience

[Hoppster]

o kuribo

y u so close minded

is it intentional?


protip: you're wrong



Sky seems incredibly indifferent to having 4 votes. Maybe some more will help.

[Hoppster]

i am overwhelmed by the power of your rhetoric

you almost convinced me that i was scum there


but uhhh you're the one who keeps saying there's no reason for me to be voting Sky over you when actually I have a fantastic reason - on the other hand, there is actually no reason for you to be voting me over Sky if you think we're buddies

tru fax

[Hoppster]

other than the fact that my opinion of Sky's alignment rests partly on your scumflip

and besides, your "fantastic reason" is that you want town cred by bussing your partner, and watching you ride the Skybus to a scum win would mess up my win condition

meh, okay, that's a fair point I hadn't considered about your Sky read (but then again you have been screaming that I am obvbussing so I still don't see it as being a HUGE issue for you to lynch Sky today)

(also, wrong)

kuribo looks far better coming out of this, at this stage a hoppster or sky lynch is fine

you know

less people would probably think you were terrible if you actually provided anything resembling logic

(i say probably because then again your 'logic' might actually just draw attention to you being terrible)

[Hoppster]

I love how Hoppster's veneer of smugness has all but faded once better players came into the game.

what can i say

i have personality defects; i'm intimidated by join date

do you expect me to be perfect or something



still satisfied with the Sky lynch

gogogo hammer time

[Hoppster]

i have personality defects; i'm intimidated by join date

man, i must be like andre the fucking giant to you

normally i would say yes

however i think the effect is lessened by the complete and utter failure of your predecessor

(don't know why)

also, the number of players who joined before me is important. this game isn't too bad in that respect because there are still 2011 people.

although i do still feel somewhat more meek and timid than before you replaced in

[Hoppster]

mith & Lindsay Lohan go 69?

[Hoppster]

hey, hoppster, btw



you don't get to call VisceraEyes' play "really really bad" when your plan was to try and paint an uncounter-claimed doc as godfather. i don't think this town was THAT stupid.

My cop claim would actually be good play imho (granted I'm hugely biased, but still).

With the Mafia Roleblocker dead, by claiming Cop I can force a follow-the-cop scenario: you protect me every single night and I claim an innocent the next day on various people as is logical from a town POV, claiming an innocent on you if necessary. If I have to investigate redFF then I would bus him and claim a guilty, but ideally I'd be avoiding claiming an innocent on redff.

You and I both survive several nights. It is then perfectly logical for you, an uncounter-claimed doc, to be a godfather happy to keep alive me, a (quite possibly and as has been shown I would have been an) uncounter-claimed cop. So in lylo/mylo with 1 or 2 scum (depending on whether or not I've claimed a guilty on redff) I can push either you or another townie for Godfather (the most sensible option being the 'Doctor' who is still alive) for the scum victory. I had softclaimed PR and Cop on one or two occasions as well.

VisceraEyes WAS really really bad. Really really really bad.

His case on me was FULL OF SHIT, and he had no response to my case on him (including two scumslips [which are obviously not now scumslips but holy crap they sure do look like scumslips] which for some frustrating reason, EVERYBODY ignored), instead coming up with:

OH NOES!!! I CAN'T COME UP WIF A CAES SO I HAF TO INVRNT SCUMSLIPZ!!! HERP DERP

which is just ridiculously terrible.

And I really don't understand how he managed to make two 'scumslips' where you can easily infer that he knows I'm town. It really is as if he had a town read on me but continued to push me as scum on policy because

"HE CALLED ME NAMES!!!"

Hoppster, you're terrible. When this slot flips doctor, I hope town stops being retarded and actually kills ur ass. You're so obviously scum it's embarrassing.

Anyway, I'm done with this game....by which I mean I'm done with Hoppster. I've NEVER replaced out of a game, but this guy is fucking awful. GG scum.

Mod, please replace me.

For the record, I'm still doctor, and unless someone does something about Hoppster, town is still fucked.

^^ and this was just... honestly, what the fuck.

I am so obviously scum that he's actually going to replace out?

...

>> Replace out because... butthurt?
>> Call town retarded
>> ???
>> PROFIT!!!


I was also INCREDIBLY FUCKING CONFUSED as to how BOTH OF MY SCUMBUDDIES PILED ON MY WAGON SEEMINGLY BASED ON THIS AFOREMENTIONED SHIT CASE. I had shown how shit it was, but no, it seemed as if they both went "well my scumbuddy is getting attacked THEREFORE I DO NOT NEED TO CHECK IF THIS CASE IS ACTUALLY VALID OR NOT BECAUSE I CAN JUST

BUSBUSBUS

".

That pissed me off so I attacked them back. Partly out of hoping for the "scum wouldn't OMGUS a/both buddy/ies"-derived town-read but also admittedly partly out of spite, because honestly, I felt I was by far doing the most for the team and then they both come in and try to bus me. In hindsight probably a mistake, but man, that pissed me off.




No problems with the Modding, thought it was stylish. In future, when the scumteam is down to one last member maybe you should consider letting him talk to himself in the QT at all times because it makes a more entertaining QT for endgame.

[Hoppster]

With the Mafia Roleblocker dead, by claiming Cop I can force a follow-the-cop scenario: you protect me every single night and I claim an innocent the next day on various people as is logical from a town POV, claiming an innocent on you if necessary. If I have to investigate redFF then I would bus him and claim a guilty, but ideally I'd be avoiding claiming an innocent on redff.

except you were my biggest scumread, I protect Johhog anyway, and reveal that fact to you the next morning when you try to explain why you're still alive

What?

Obviously I don't need to convince YOU that you're the Godfather.

And in the hypothetical alternate reality where I am of unknown alignment but claiming Cop and you are town Doc who doesn't protect me, me still being alive doesn't mean I'm scum at all. If I were town then scum might have thought that you'd be protecting me and thus leave me alive. It still works.

[Hoppster]

Awww, Hoppster...I like how you call me REALLY REALLY BAD except I nailed all the scum before I replaced out. Oh YOU! You're even stupid when NOT in-game. Good to know. GG town.

>> Random.org every single game
>> BE RIGHT IN THIS ONE GAME OMG MY READS ARE PRO

This is (effectively) you.


>> Replace out because butt-hurt
>> BUT WAIT I ALSO HAD NAILED ALL THE SCUM!!!1111! (through random.org as alluded to previously)

This is (effectively) you.


>> HOPPSTER IS OBVIOUSLY SCUM BUT I'M GOING TO REPLACE OUT AND FORFEIT MY WIN-CON WHICH CAN BE FULFILLED BY LYNCHING THE SCUM I HAVE JUST CAUGHT ONLY TO APPEAR POST-GAME AND PRETEND I WASN'T COMPLETELY TERRIBLE
>> [call somebody else stupid]

This is (effectively) you.

your problem is you thought you ran this fucking town and had them eating out of your hand

yes and then you replaced in

>__>

I'm only making a case against how BAD I'm NOT at Mafia.

this case is almost as bad as your in-game case on me

(the scary thing is I'm only exaggerating by a little bit)

[Hoppster]

although mostly it was that patently retarded "I'M SO TOWN BECAUSE I MADE THE ONLY CASE ON DAY 1"


that was so ridiculous, i'm ashamed that it took me coming into the game for anyone to call you on it

that was forced from me due to his "U NO MAKE CASE" (despite the fact that nobody else had made a case).

>__>

also goddamn I didn't know how to tell people they should be getting a town-read on me based on tone etc (basically gut)