Newbie 476: Slow, slow, slow, then FAST and over. Damn.
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Interesting post Korlash... mind telling me why you think stephy is probably town?
Also, I've played my fair share of mafia games. I used to belong to this site about a year ago, I stopped coming and lost my username and password. But I played several games here and in real life as well.
Note this doesn't by any means mean I'm skilled. I played here for a couple months, but I haven't played in awhile so I'm quite rusty (evidenced by my complete inability to even bold votes), which is why I joined the newbie queue."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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For me, the thing that stood out from Korlash's post the most was how he said he'd lynch Mith if he was goin with his gut. But I wasn't gonna say anything until I saw more from him. But now that we're getting into discussion, I think it's interesting. Here's my reasoning.
See, Mith is probably town. Just from sheer mathematical odds he's probably town. (5 town, 2 scum).
Now if I'm town, I see Mith as a resource. As one of the most experienced players on here, he's definitely dangerous if he's scum. But he's also a huge benefit if he's town, simply because his experience will be helpful for us. If I were scum, I'd want him out of the way as early as possible. Mith will prolly be doc-protected tonight if there is one, so it makes him risky for a night kill.
Also, Korlash said Sir Tornado was his backup- another experienced player. So right now I've got anFOSon Korlash, simply because he seems to want to isolate the newbies.
Of course theres still the huge possibility that Mith is scum, in which case were probably all screwed."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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I'm really suspicious of Korlash right now. To answer your question "When did I say Torn was Mith's backup," you said that Mith was at the top of your list, then you ended your post by saying if you had to vote it would be for Mith or Torn. Also I think a big part of my suspicion is I disagree with you completely on Torn's statement. I think he was stating that as what he thought, not actively trying to tell other people how to play. Too early for me to make a formal vote yet but my FOS has turned into aslightly larger FOS"Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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That may be what you do, but that's not how I play scum. In fact I avoid doing that because I feel it draws attention (kinda like how you just pointed it out). But this could turn into a whole WIFOM thing. Anyways, I never said that you thought Sir Torn and Mith were working together, or that you "attacked" Sir Torn. I simply said I found it suspicious, which is what you were also doing, no?
BTW, never thought I'd have an OMGUS turned against me- pretty funny really."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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Responding to havok:
-The doc comment was integral to my point of why the scum would want to kill Mith off by lynch.
-I think mith is much more of a resource than any of the newbie townies if he is town simply because of his experience. He's played a lot more games than any of us and knows more scum tells and behavior.
-Also, please explain to me why you think my agreeing with stephy's post makes me think she's pro-town? I never said anything of the sort- that's a huge leap in logic.
-Sir Tornado hasn't unvoted me, you didn't unvote stephy until just now, so what's your point? It was an OMGUS vote and that hasn't changed. I'm not ready to seriously vote for anybody yet."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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Responding to havok:
-The doc comment was integral to my point of why the scum would want to kill Mith off by lynch.
-I think mith is much more of a resource than any of the newbie townies if he is town simply because of his experience. He's played a lot more games than any of us and knows more scum tells and behavior.
-Also, please explain to me why you think my agreeing with stephy's post makes me think she's pro-town? I never said anything of the sort- that's a huge leap in logic.
-Sir Tornado hasn't unvoted me, you didn't unvote stephy until just now, so what's your point? It was an OMGUS vote and that hasn't changed. I'm not ready to seriously vote for anybody yet."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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Of course I can see why its WIFOM- that doesn't change the point that I needed to bring it up in order for my theory to make sense. I only mentioned it- I know theres a good possibility there's not even a doc.
I "jumped on" Korlash? I asked him a question. I don't know about you, but if he comes out first page and says he thinks someone is town, I want an explanation as to why because I certainly had no read on stephy at that point. I also think it's pretty suspicious of Holy to suspect stephy no much and not be able to post anything until she does when we've got pages of discussion under our belt now.
On to OMGUS, I really think it's laughable that this has gotten this much attention. I thought OMGUS votes were supposed to be fun and random. If they're such a huge scum tell as you say they are, then why do they even exist? Also I didn't defend Sir Tornado, I used him as an example.
Huge FOSon havok. I think you're really reaching here and I was willing to forgive at first but now you're just jumping on me without really having an argument. When I defend myself, you say it's exactly how a mafia would react? What was I supposed to do, not respond to your accusations? And your quickness to defend Korlash makes me suspicious too. If I had to vote with my gut right now it'd be havok and Korlash for scum team."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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Holy what you're doing screams scum to me... you've been making lots of mistakes. I'm still hesitant to vote though because I know you're new and sometimes I'm not sure if I'm interpreting what you're saying correctly. But, anywaysunvote: Sir Tornadobecause I'm satisfied with him for now, though I'd like to see him post more.FOS: Holy. I'll probably summarize my thoughts on everyone tomorrow and maybe make a vote."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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Well there's the thing that everybody pointed out, already, where she said she wanted to know if doing something would get her off Mith's good side. Then she said that she didn't care if stephy was scum or not. Whenever Mith posts anything about her, she starts either agreeing with him or saying "sorry." Now she says she read point 3 wrong. I agree with you Korlash, some mistakes are definitely forgiveable, and I'm not ready to vote for her yet. I also agree that you shouldn't persecute someone for bad grammar, but at the same time it shouldn't give them a free pass.
On the other hand, Holy has some pro-town points... the whole idea of her testing each person seems townish to me, or it could be a very good scum play (I know I'll prolly be hit with WIFOM for this). So, IDK, I'm undecided, it's just lately Holy's been giving me a very scum vibe."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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Well, I posted similar things before and havok basically told me everything I said was WIFOM. Some people have broader definitions than others I guess- I'm personally of the opinion that what I said isn't really WIFOM, but I could see havok saying it is- this isn't an attack on havok, it's just what I said is similar to what he's called WIFOM so far in this game."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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"Get off" or "stay" is pretty much the same meaning because I left the "doing something" vague. You're either on or off her good side so doing something will keep you there or not doing something will take you off, and vice versa. (A little confusing I know.)
But this is exactly my point, you wanted to know why you were on his suspect list. For me, that's a little scummy. If Mith says something, defend yourself, but you shouldn't be concerned with staying on or getting off the suspect list- if you're town, you've got nothing to hide. That being said, I'm still not completely sold on anybodys scuminess as of yet."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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I know that seems confusing, but when I said "get off" and "stay" are the same, I meant within the context of the sentence. I said "do something to get off"- because the "do something" is vague, you could replace it with "do something to stay" and it's the same thing, because I never specified what the something was. It's hard to explain my thoughts sometimes, but that's how I meant it. Anyways it's a moot point because Holy said "stay" in her post.
@ mith: I guess I worded that weird. I don't mean to say Holy shouldn't ask why she was on your list, but that's not what she did. She asked if changing her behavior would take her off your list, and to me, caring that much about being on someones list is scummy.
That being said, havok is the one who's tripped my scumdar the most. He came in, made a lot of pointless accusations, and then went back to lurking. So I'm comfortable withVote: havok95. Then again, I'm still not ready to lynch so it's more to generated discussion than anything else. Sir Tornado is also suspicious to me because he's been active in other games I'm playing with him, and he's barely posted in this. So,FOS: Sir Tornado."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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To your first point lioden, you took it out of context. I was saying that no lynch is a better idea than lynching randomly, which it is. Of course nobody wants to no lynch day 1. We've already had this discussion though.
Good point on your second one. It's definitely worded poorly- all I can say is that I was trying to get across that I wasn't assuming Mith was town."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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Sure, I'll explain, even though I have already. You came at me with a bunch of accusations that I thought were reaching at best. I defended myself, and you said "that's how a Mafia would act." When I say Mith is a resource to the town, I mean that he can help out the newer players, pick up on scum tells, and make worthwile and well-though out posts. It doesn't mean I'm going to blindly follow him wherever he may lead. There's still a good chance he's scum, so that would be utterly ridiculous.
Hopefully the rest of the people can see what I mean when I say you're reaching. You thinking I should vote along with Mith because I see him as a resource is probably the best example of it yet. I'm happy with my vote."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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See, I thought my response to the stephy question was rational, because I never did say I trusted stephy. But anyways, I'm not sure how much I buy your "baiting." Seems a little like backtracking to me. Not sure though. You're still the scummiest on my list so far, so I'm keeping my vote."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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But trapping is completely different from asking a question and gaging a response. You used something that you admittedly knew was off-base. If I acted defensive to something that was baseless to begin with, you're the scummy one, not I, for trying to turn nothing into something."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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Well, what's your definition of baiting then? Because I took that as you were trying to get me to "take the bait" by using something you knew to be sketchy to "trap" me. If you were "genuinely curious," then why didn't you just say so? Where'd the baiting thing come from? Asking a question and gauging a response and "baiting" are two completely different things in my book (and from the responses, most people here agree with me), so maybe that's why we're disagreeing on this. I don't know how you should have addressed my defensiveness, because, as I said, I don't think I was acting defensive. My posts with regard to both stephy and mith are completely rational from my perspective.
But really, I've seen Sir Tornado posting in topics as short as 2 hours ago (on the general discussion board). If I had to vote right now it'd still be havok, but his absence is troubling and shooting him up my scum list in a hurry."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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Well, semantics is a big part of a text-based game, no? Especially when trying to figure out motivations behind what people say. I'm not trying to be a dick to you, I'm trying to understand why you used the term "baiting," because to me it implied that what you used to bait me with was unfounded. Either way, you didn't answer my question(s)."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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Korlash wrote:First off it is a fairly common newbie mistake to think a no lynch is better then killing off a towny.
This is unacceptable. No-lynch hurts the town in such a small game.Korlash wrote:In fact I would rather just no lynch then kill because of a deadline now that I think about it...
We have 5 townies. We no lynch today, and then one is killed at night. That leaves us with 4 townies, 2 scum, and we're at lynch or lose. If we lynch wrong, we're down to 3 townies, one more is killed at night and we lose.
So now that that explanation is out of the way, which I assume you already knew anyway, do you want to explain why you're contradicting yourself? You should no better than to no-lynch in a newbie. You fell of my scumdar but you just shot up in a big way.Major FOS: Korlash"Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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You could ask me without telling me you're looking for me to be defensive again. That's what most people do in mafia games, and they don't call it "baiting."
But either way I guess it's sort of irrelevant to my main points/questions...
A) Do you really believe that I contradicted myself when I called mith a resource to the town and then disagreed with him? That's really grasping at straws.
B) Could you explain why you find my response to your first question and my response to your second question so different? Because, honestly, I don't see it. I think I was being logical on both accounts- then again, a second perspective would be nice. Maybe you're reading my first response differently than I intended.
I don't mean to keep picking on you, but you ARE my vote right now and I want to be sure I'm not lynching a fellow townie (of course, you can never really be 100% sure)."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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@ Sir Tornado: To be quite honest, I felt it would be disingenuous. Barely anybody is posting in that game, and we just lost the mod, so you've got an excuse there. Heck, I have trouble coming up with anything relevant to post to that game. There's been plenty of times where I've checked in here multiple times without doing anything in that game, so I figured I'd let you slide. I saw your post on the discussion board because you were the "last poster" while I was on the main forum, and it caught my eye. I guess I'm somewhat comforted by the fact that you're playing the same way in both games. Then again, you could be scum in both games, or you could just be a good player who doesn't change up his playstyle. I'm not sure yet."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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This caught my eye. Why don't you want us to discuss it? Seems a little sketchy to tell people what or what not to discuss, especially when it comes to you.Holy wrote: w/e I won't explain some read error, but I scan read that HALF RIGHT (please don't discuss about this)."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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Well, I think what we're looking for is a little more. What you say basically boils down to everyone could be townie or scum. There's no way for us to ever know for sure if someone is town or scum (unless we're a cop), so you're not saying anything new. It's a lot of words but very little content.
What I was posting about wasn't your "half-read." I'm satisfied with your explanation for that. What I'm interested in is your "please don't discuss this." What did you mean by that?"Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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Well, I definitely don't want to no lynch, and Holy's second on my scum list. So if worse comes to worse, I'll unvote and hammer Holy before the deadline. But I still don't want to let havok95 off the hook, he seems to be lurking now which will probably save his neck for a day. I'd like to see a vote from both he and Korlash though."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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Well, we're just not gonna agree on the stephy thing. I thought it was a stupid question, seeing as how stephy had posted once at that point. So my first thought was "why is he asking this question?" and I arrived at the conclusion, based on you all of a sudden showing up and throwing out a bunch of vague accusations, that you were reaching. I responded as such, thus I think I was logical on both accounts.
Also, I don't think that's reaching at all on Holy, especially combined with my earlier suspicion when Holy asked Mith how to get off his scum list. If Mith asks Holy to do something, she seems to comply immediately, as if she's afraid of him suspecting her."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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I don't understand your change in playstyle just because of the deadline. I don't think we need to have the discussion in every game about how a no lynch hurts the town. This is true whether its a deadline lynch or not. Point is, we need to have a kill by the deadline or we end up no lynching. If the people on Holy right now unvote, then it's a different story entirely, but as of right now your idea about the mafia each voting the person and then leaving the killing vote to me is moot because there were two votes on Holy before I said I'd hammer. Yeah, it probably would be a good excuse for me to use tomorrow for hammering Holy, but I know I'm town, so I'm not too worried about that. I can't control how you play, and that includes how you perceive what I do. If you think something I do is scummy, you have every right to vote me, but I think I've explained my position on both Holy and havok enough to justify a vote on either."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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QFT.Sir Tornado wrote:
This point is really immaterial, because, at the end of the day, a deadlined no lynch really is the same as a voted no lynch. It has the same effect on the game (well, almost the same). If anything, I think a deadline no lynch benefits the scum much, much more than a voted no lynch, because you cannot actually blame only the scum for a deadline no lynch (blame the scum as in call anyone in particular scummy due to it)."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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I don't have a lot of time to post, and I want to get in before the deadline, so I'm just gonna do what I said I was gonna do before.Unvote, Vote: Holy. I'm late for class, so sorry I can't post full reasons and everything but it's pretty much the same as what I've said already."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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Well I don't have too much to say I guess. Logic says that the scum were probably on Holy's bandwagon. I realize this pretty much points to me. I'm town, and mith was obviously town. So that leaves me with Sir Torn and lionden. I don't find lionden too scummy, he's been very townish so far. Sir Torn has been lurking, but I guess that's his playstyle to an extent. He hasn't given me much to call him scummy besides being the last one to vote for mith. Like I said before, havok is still probably my top suspect, and Korlash I guess you're after that. But at lylo, I'd much rather go with the safer look at the people on the bandwagon. So I guess we should take a look at Sir Torn. I don't know, I have to reread."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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That's exactly why I'm confused. If I was to go with my gut, I'd be voting for havok. But it's not a smart move at lylo because he wasn't on the wagon and I think at least one of the scum most likely was. And the fact that nobody's really posting doesn't help me decide which way to go."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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That's how you feel, because you're not on the bandwagon. Since I am, that eliminates one of the people off of it, and I don't feel lionden is scum. I'm certainly not saying you and havok aren't scum, but the safe play is to lynch somebody off the bandwagon. The least likely scenario in my book is that you and havok are scum-buddies and both managed to stay off the bandwagon. If you are, you've done a good job so far. I'd like to vote Sir Torn right now to put some pressure on him, but it opens it up for a quick lynch, so I can't really."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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It might not be though. It's very possible havok and Sir Torn are lurking, waiting to pounce, especially after a chance to talk at night. If I make a vote, I don't want to have to keep looking back at the thread to make sure nobody puts a second vote on him. Talking, they could have exchanged personal contact info, like AIM screennames or something. So the scenario could go (for arguments sake lets say you and havok are scumbuddies)
1) I place a vote on Sir Torn.
2) I go to bed.
3) You see this, chat up your buddy havok on AIM.
4) Both of you come in and place your votes.
5) The town loses
Farfetched? A bit, but a vote's not worth the risk IMO at this point."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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Well, I've basically posted mine. If I had to post my scum pairing right now it would be Sir Torn and havok, though they've done a good job of not really having a link between themselves. My lynch choice as of right now is Sir Torn, but I'd like to hear from him obviously, and some more input from havok wouldn't hurt either."Nobody fucks with the Jesus."-
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