STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[McMenno]

VOTE: not chara

this is where I'm at currently

might reread some things later

[McMenno]

Must serve others. Others must see this. Don't look back!
Look only forward. In your mind, it's raining. Everywhere else, it's also raining. So protect yourself.

mod lies? o.0

Who voted chara When there's 3 confirmed town around?

Also can someone explain wtf is going on with the hidden flips

what

also there are actually 4 conftown

[McMenno]

fuzzy

[McMenno]

Tfl99 is conf town after I flip.

They are important. Save them.

[McMenno]

as in what the fuck are you on about

[McMenno]

Who voted chara When there's 3 confirmed town around?

[McMenno]

I'd like to ally with yume and titus/fuzzy tonight

[McMenno]

I chose to abstain from voting, if we're still caring about that.

that's pretty suspicious actually. why?

[McMenno]

I haven't really been "in the loop" because of the whole no alliance pt thing, but as mastin won the beachapalooza I would love to set up a communication channel with yume

[McMenno]

I didn't vote. Should be evident as i basically wasn't online for a few days

@Titus

[McMenno]

even sircakez knew his lynch was inevitable

[McMenno]

I'm interested on your thoughts about my alliance proposal

[McMenno]

there's no cake emoji

can we compromise on xk maybe

[McMenno]

@Menno - Less sure on chara than I was. You still confident there? How about RR?

honestly I don't even know anymore

[McMenno]

Just vig xk #justdoit

[McMenno]

I would prefer to not answer that

[McMenno]

what do you need it for

[McMenno]

because I'm scummy scumz and I can't even communicate with my partner

[McMenno]

and I can tell you that it has absolutely 0% impact on your gamesolving

[McMenno]

also, mastin didn't ally with me :/

Um, yes I did?
I allied with

someone

, and I submitted you as the name.
Due to an effect of my alliance, I don't get to know who I allied with (we don't get a topic to talk in), but check your PMs for the morning. If you were allied with me, you'd see the nature of the power I have, which is the one where I said that I have no intention of town ever needing to use. And you'd know why.

(Basically, the reason why I don't want to ally with anyone is because the alliance chat which is the whole fucking point of an alliance in the first place is disabled because of my role, making an alliance with me purely role-based, and my role in an alliance is not something I see as pro-town, ergo, me deciding to never ally.)

Also, since all the cool kids were doing it:
VOTE: Reasonably Rational.
I've got thoughts I typed up during the night to share if need be.
But among the obvious, Obi-wan Kenobi is town; Titus virtually never busses, and when she does, it's strategically as a last-resort; she was hardcore pushing SirCakez so either she hardcore bussed (lolno), or she's town.

[McMenno]

I voted for myself

[McMenno]

Yume who did you vote for

[McMenno]

I was in Florence with school played one night ultimate werewolf with friends and got a special dessert with a candle on it, thanks for asking

[McMenno]

I already lunched so no thanks

[McMenno]

I'd totally lynch skybird though

in fact

VOTE: skybird

[McMenno]

I voted for myself

Why did you self vote?

this is why

VOTE: shadowstep

[McMenno]

I voted for myself

Why did you self vote?

this is why

VOTE: shadowstep

but i'd like an actual answer, if you please.

pedit: Titus, can you confirm that you know who is allying with who? your last list had an error and i'd like to do my own examination of the votes, which i can't do without the full picture.

I would not like to get into this any further

[McMenno]

no, mastina and yume have a masonry not an alliance, I am/was allied with mastina today and yesterday

[McMenno]

yeah let's not rush this

UNVOTE:

I want to get mastina's thoughts

[McMenno]

i mean you could have not just blind allied just cause it seemed like the cool thing to do.

It's not an ally.

It's permanent.
Game-long power.

Now if you don't mind, I'd like to keep at least some facets of my role private until it's flipped so don't prod me further on this.

see, mastin's masonry is not an alliance

[McMenno]

is the alliance thingy with moi still on

[McMenno]

dgb is scum anyway

[McMenno]

You need to get your funny bone checked.

Firebringer
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menos
Firebringer
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i have bones to pick
McMenno
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take it to private chat

PRIVATE CHAT
Firebringer
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http://www.brainlesstales.com/images/20 ... o-pick.jpg
Firebringer
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which one should I pick?
McMenno
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funny bone

[McMenno]

DGB and farside22 are confscum to lynch.

Then vote Farside because I believe DGB.

Why do you believe DGB?

yeah let's not rush this

UNVOTE:

I want to get mastina's thoughts

McMenno, you weren't voting the leading wagon. Why unvote?

I want to take things slowly

[McMenno]

Don't worry, he's just flailing as he'll be lynched like the others in RR/Almost/Skybird.

Voting anywhere other than farside22, DGB and RR/Almost/Skybird should be a scum tell.

Creature, there was a mod clarification. Mastina/Yume is not an alliance, so the vote number is correct. There is no certain scum in rr/almost/Skybird.

titus what are you on mastin herself said it was not an alliance like ages ago not the mod you just assumed it was

wait one second

VOTE: dgb

why are we not wagoning the fuck out of this riddle me this riddle me that

[McMenno]

sharing is pagetopping right

[McMenno]

I confirm. Our third could be Almost. Also, I will try and destroy anyone who votes Skybird today.

then I'll have to find new allies... one sec

[McMenno]

can someone do one of those table thingies for alliances

[McMenno]

mastin's alliances don't have a chat @titus

[McMenno]

Well, it looks like I am alone again.

what happened

[McMenno]

moi is probably a crystal gem

there I said it

I'm content with the dgb wagon, although bonus points if kraska brings up "mastin was wrong about mathblade too"

[McMenno]

my eyes are bleeding is that normal

[McMenno]

so apparently they have fusion effects or something

[McMenno]

yeah I win if town loses and I'm alive... and if I win beachapalooza I bruteforce the cluster event that's why I selfvoted

mastin updated thoughts on xk?

VOTE: snarkysnowmen

[McMenno]

If the scumteam has a rational thinker...

you could even say that they're...

reasonably rational.



anyway, grapes and chara, I think we can do some... hardcore strategising together. we can get a bite and discuss strategies

[McMenno]

also yes shadow is wholly capable of doing this as town

just be glad iraonapvp isn't in this game

[McMenno]

my plan seems to have been foiled

[McMenno]

no it's really not

[McMenno]

VOTE: farside

okay farside we're doing this right

[McMenno]

VOTE: Snarky

[McMenno]

yes we agree, farside could go with kraska/fb if they want

[McMenno]

mother of beetlejuice

[McMenno]

more when i have a quick minute.
McMenno, ally with mastin with me. i don't need to talk in an alliance anymore.
grapes, Firebringer, apologies to both of you.
mastin, if McMenno declines, i'll go with who you pick.

okay I'm fine with that, would like to share some thoughts with people but that can wait for later I guess

[McMenno]

Yea how could you not be townreading him?

I don't know, he just hasn't felt like town games recently to me.

that's okay fire want a hug

[McMenno]

my role pm is green

[McMenno]

okay so when a cop investigates me I will show up as innocent also I can't perform kills

[McMenno]

vote snarky dgb is scum too but most likely traitor

[McMenno]

I'm going to do a thing when I get home, maybe

VOTE: dgb

[McMenno]

that was a hammer right

[McMenno]

what is it

[McMenno]

he's peridot

[McMenno]

ftr if I die my advice is lynch kraska

[McMenno]

So Yume passed away as a martyr to save the rest of us? *Sigh*
This quite changes a lot.

@MoI:

We need to agree on a 3rd for our alliance and get them to confirm they're submitting us both as well. I'll let you pick, but I don't want anyone "questionable", as it's already has been announced that I might end up with a shitload of info/analysis from RR that I would need to pass along.

Also, a reminder: Since The Cluster already went off then we no longer need to worry about not using night actions. In other words, all investigative/informative/protective Town Roles are free to perform their actions tonight.

this is not true, keep foregoing night actions

[McMenno]

well then... skybird!scum, eh?

also, what's infinity-1?

[McMenno]

RR: it's been called a permanent alliance, so that's how i'm treating it. someone tell me if this list is wrong anywhere. it's sorted by player voted for.

Rational: mastin (+1)
Skybird: mastin (+1) (SCUM!)
Almost: mastin (+1)
Mastin: self (+3) (Town)
Yume: mastin (+1) (Gem/Town)
total: 7

Chara: self (+3) (Town?)
Farside: Chara (+2)
total: 5

Titus: self (+3) (Town)
Kraska: Titus (+1)
Xkfyu: Titus (+1)
Grapes: Titus (+1)
total: 6

Shiro: none
Snarky: none
DGB: none (SCUM!)
Random: none
Fuzzy: none (didn't answer?)
TWIE: none

Creature: shadow step
Magna: voted Rational
Shadow step: Almost
Fire: Rational (Town)

McMenno: Self

[McMenno]

RR: it's been called a permanent alliance, so that's how i'm treating it. someone tell me if this list is wrong anywhere. it's sorted by player voted for.

Rational: mastin (+1)
Skybird: mastin (

+0.5

) (SCUM!)
Almost: mastin (+1)
Mastin: self (+3) (Town)
Yume: mastin (+1) (Gem/Town)
total: 7

Chara: self (+3) (Town?)
Farside: Chara (+2)
total: 5

Titus: self (+3) (Town)
Kraska: Titus (+1)
Xkfyu: Titus (+1)
Grapes: Titus (+1)
total: 6

Shiro: none
Snarky: none
DGB: none (SCUM!)
Random: none
Fuzzy: none (didn't answer?)
TWIE: none

Creature: shadow step
Magna: voted Rational
Shadow step: Almost
Fire: Rational (Town)

McMenno: Self

IF we assume 5 scum 1 traitor, then there's at least 1 scum in non-voters/non top3 voters (I think it's safe to assume that dgb didn't vote), also there's a maximum of one scum besides skybird in the top voters, I think it's safer to hunt in the non-voters as there's at least 2 scum in there.

[McMenno]

my twie read... well I certainly wouldn't mind lynching them

also titus, have you come to terms with the fact that it's EXTREMELY unlikely for farside to be scum?

[McMenno]

why does farside need twie scum?

[McMenno]

Titus, was your input changed by the event?

[McMenno]

I did

[McMenno]

I have allied with mastin every single episode except episode one, including this one

[McMenno]

I lied

[McMenno]

it might've been lost in 345 pages of titus-farside arguing but I believe mastin confirmed this

[McMenno]

I received a very clear pm from varsoon

and I would also like almost to say why he lied about sending you a pizza

[McMenno]

also why was no one lynched due to that event? that's... weird

[McMenno]

makes sense

I'm warming up to a shadow_step lynch...

and I would love to know not chara's role

[McMenno]

Farside, to me this is part of the problem with Day 0 as it were. Some people won't participate since the game technically hasn't started. Others shit post and don't do much. Not sure there is much we can do about it right now.

Want to talk about things in the thread so far? You are feeling pretty town to me.

is this how scum talks to a buddy?

[McMenno]

skybrid interactions with farside look good for farside

I was able to get caught up with the long night/locked thread phase. I see there is an order for claiming who we voted for in the BP event, so I won't reveal my vote right now. I did get an alliance with Xkfyu. Still not sure what his alignment is.

Can I see your reads then?

Here's what I have so far. I'm still ISOing people trying to figure some of them out. That's the group at the bottom still "in process".

Town

Titus – confirmed town
Mastin – very nearly confirmed town
Yume – very nearly confirmed town

Near Town

RR – His interactions show me that he is trying to solve the game. Also the Hydra dissonance. I feel this shows that both heads are active and trying to solve the game.
TheFuzzylogic99 – Based on Math’s read since Math flipped town.
Almost50
Grapes

Null

Kraskaeaque
Xkfyu – I wanted to have a PT with him to better sort him. Part of why I am leaning scum on him is his claim he made in our PT. He’s also making no attempt to sort my alignment. I am not seeing anything in the thread that makes me think he’s town. But I have other input from Steven indicating that he is town. So I'm not sure which way to go here.

Almost Scum

Farside – I felt she was town in our PT. The things putting her here instead of the next level up is the stubbornness and game play like blowing up the Joy Ride and the weird claim. I’m not opposed to lynching her but would rather lynch from my scum pool right now.

Scum Pool

DGB – no attempts to figure the game out and weird claims/gambits.
TWIE – Haven’t seen much from him (if anything). I know this is the way that TWIE normally is, but by now I would expect to start seeing some insights into players.
Snarkysnowman

Still Processing

Shadow Step
Shiro
Not Chara
MagnaofIllusion
McMenno
Creature
Randomidget
Firebringer

this may be worth analyzing

@shadow_step @xkfyu I would like a post-by-post recap of what happened in your respective alliance pts with skybird

[McMenno]

dear friends
i can tamper with the stress and increase it by 4
should i ?

more stress is better right?

[McMenno]

why didn't you let him die? even a town flip would've clarified things

[McMenno]

[McMenno]

Did anyone in your hood claim to vote Snarky?

a-l-l-i-a-n-c-e-s w-i-t-h m-a-s-t-i-n d-o n-o-t h-a-v-e n-e-i-g-h-b-o-r-h-o-o-d-s

but no, I did not

[McMenno]

forgive me but I'm going to repeatedly insert my head into a wall

[McMenno]

caveat here is that creature isn't scum

[McMenno]

Spoiler: Day 2 ally chart

Player Name	Day 2	Possibly scum link
Titus	Failed DGB	no
Klingoncelt	dead, allied with DGB day 1	no
Yume	Confirmed not scum	no
SirCakez ]	Scum dead	No
Shadow_Step	Grapes	no, grapes is an active voter and thus cannot be the source
Xkyfu	A50	No, a50 is a voter
Skybird	Farside	Maybe, if DGB tagged along
Almost50	Xkfyu	no[/cell
Shiro	randomidget	possible link
Dripping Goofball	Unknown, I suspect Mastina	point here is to find partner
Farside22	Skybird	Only if tag along
Mathblade	irrelevant	No
Reasonably Rational	yume	not scum w farside
grapes	Shadow_Step	No, grapes cannot be scum w Farside
McMenno	Suggested, but not cleared town wagons	Failed mastina, but now says success/cell]	possible
Mastina	No one	not scum, possible fuckery spot for DGB/cell]
Not Chara	Kraska	not possible scum
Magna	Klingon	not possible klingon would report
Firebringer	no, was bubbled	Bubbled
Fuzzy	Needs filling	grapes
Snarky Snowman	?	?
Creature	Failed Shiro	possible DGB, unlikely if random vouched and I think he did
Randomidget	Shiro	required allies
TWIE	?	don't know

Please compare where our charts do not match up almost and tell me why.

Each "day" corresponds to when the neighborhood would be in effect.

[/quote]
how to fix tags ;-;

[McMenno]

that was peridot

[McMenno]

Skybird: Allied with Farside22. Triggered "Sworn to the Sword" Event. Was allied with Foxbird. Attempted to kill grapes.

I just noticed this

this means grapes is basically conftown, right?

[McMenno]

how has a skybird scumflip affected your reads, mastin

[McMenno]

uhm

climax one, right?

[McMenno]

right, but there's reason to believe that skybird's claim was one of the mod-corrected ones

[McMenno]

was your claim mod-corrected, almost?

[McMenno]

so she hasn't had any impact on beachapalooza which was on d3 when alliance chats weren't open yet

[McMenno]

at least that's what I'm assuming. were alliance pts open during beachapalooza?

[McMenno]

well there's no reason to assume grapes is scum anyway, and the mod didn't change my phrasing

I think think the amended claims are Titus, Almost and Skybird

[McMenno]

Three selected players' submitted claims will be amended to being the truth when posted into the game thread in this way.

exact wording, for the record

@Varsoon say there are four players, A B C and D. A sent in the truth, B C and D did not. Will B C AND D's claims be amended?

[McMenno]

have you thought about the scumteam forgetting to send in a kill :^)

[McMenno]

I think I want to wait for varsoon's answer to my question

[McMenno]

TWIE: almost, Farside, creature, Titus

Nine to lynch.
8 if town.

L minus 4.

VOTE: TWIE

don't forget to set up alliances

[McMenno]

you guys trying to lynch me before i even show up today?

please claim

[McMenno]

(expired on 2016-10-16 20:36:35)

[McMenno]

first claim

[McMenno]

and mastin got it, and yes it's a gunsmith guilty

[McMenno]

stop stalling and spill the beans

[McMenno]

I would've loved to know what actions sircakez took night 1

[McMenno]

yes

but you can paraphrase, shouldn't be hard?

[McMenno]

@TWIE:

So, have you decided on someone in particular to vig if you're still alive tonight?

nope because i cant.

snarky is roleblocking me.

@snarky?

[McMenno]

what's the scum motivation of revealing he did it

[McMenno]

if almost's theory is true then twie is scum guaranteed...

[McMenno]

wat

[McMenno]

well then

[McMenno]

if creature and farside were town who would your scumteam be, titus

[McMenno]

You on the other hand, REFUSE to consider the CHANCE you might be wrong on Farside because it doesn't fit how you scumhunt.

I refuse to consider farside as scum because of all the MYRIAD of reasons against that, yes.

You're violating Occam's Razor to ignore a guilty and lynch your scumread instead because it fits your view.

I'm not saying let TWIE live indefinitely. I'm saying let TWIE live through today and today alone. And that's a view made, based off of...a combination of mechanical reasons (there's the possibility TWIE can use his vig) and play-based reasons: I'm dead serious I was aiming to get a hard innocent on TWIE. What that means is, he was someone I was townreading. Literally the ONLY reason I have to call him scum is the guilty result, and yet, by giving him one day to prove his ability or die, I am setting a definitive term.

I meanwhile, have come up with a plan to settle Farside that works if we lynch scum today and tomorrow.

Yeah, the problem being you said "if", and TWIE won't give us that.

I'm flat-out refusing to believe my own guilty result. I will let him die tomorrow. I won't oppose his lynch. I might even join it. I will do so fully thinking I'm lynching a false positive. Ideally, he wouldn't be lynched until two or three days later, since I'd prefer to lynch my other scumreads above him. But I won't stop you.

I will resist today.

No. You get a guilty, you lynch it. That is Occam's Razor.
Skybird giving you power suggests scum wanted you IC over me.
Snarky is suggested town based off the event.
TWIE clears Farside if I am wrong.
TWIE flip should unify town.
But you refuse to consider it because scum have framed your narrative.

this discussion has been had in wake's game. gunsmiths are for guilties, not for innocents

you know what I did when you got a guilty on my buddy? I bussed

THE FUCK

out of them. and my other buddies did too

[McMenno]

VOTE: snarky

[McMenno]

that makes xk confirmed then

[McMenno]

conf gem actually

[McMenno]

is he not a gem

[McMenno]

FREEDOM AT LAST

[McMenno]

well

this sure was a game

[McMenno]

also first ~get rekt~

[McMenno]

Pedit: McMenno, don't. I will be EXTREMELY pissed if anyone else displays even the tiniest bit of arrogance in victory.

Seriously.

I haven't had fun in this game for like 2 months and Varsoon requested we not give up REPEATEDLY. We knew we had a miniscule chance of winning off purely mechanical things for months, and that was when we thought the gems only had limited bubbling.

I will not abide anyone thinking they can, joking or not, gloat in any way.

aren't we all

[McMenno]

anyway I was satisfied with my play this game. thanks for modding varsoon, it was fun to be part of the largest game in mafia scum dot net history

although I think the cluster event might've actually helped town by increasing the stress and removing me (a potential mislynch) from the game

also I'm hungry for pizza now :<

[McMenno]

Spoiler: we haven't forgotten, almost

also this, yes

[McMenno]

sircakez I hope you're prepared to get hypertunnelled in every single game we play in together

[McMenno]

Titus I’ll have to look back for you because you’ve been dead so long that I barely remember that part of the game now. Fuzzy recollection says that I had little issue with your approach. It may take me til Monday but I’m PM you my thoughts.

and she still has the most posts in the game

[McMenno]

I also had a pizza palace where I was going to compile claims but then I never really used it F