Mini 1005: Mafiaphobes! (Game over)

[quadz08]

To an extent, I suppose. Oso made good points, there's nothing wrong with solid reasoning changing your opinion.

But, speaking of good points:

Especially because he unvotes Tasky and then, in his next post, calls Tasky scum. Doesn't match up.

Hmmmm. I'm torn.

[diddin]

So you're giving tasky the noob pass but you're voting for me because of sheepping?
You sure you're not scum with Tasky?

EBWOP: Why didn't I notice this before?<_< One post you agree with Oso's reasons to unvote Tasky blindly, and then the next you ask Friend if he's scumbuddies with Tasky? Funny.

Vote: Vezo

Tasky: How many games have you played? I want to know a little more about your experience level.

[KageLord]

Guys, take a look at Tasky's join date, posting style, etc. Now tell me, do you really think he's good enough to subtly rolefish like that as scum? Cause I really don't.

@KageLord: how would scum find out a cop/doc through Tasky's questions?

As I said, I don't think anyone could find PRs through those questions. But Tasky suggested that he thought we would be able to do so later in the game based on answers to those questions. My point was that it wouldn't work. And if by some miracle you could gain knowledge from that, it would be a double-edged sword since scum could use that too. Never mind that I said anything though... if that's the method Tasky wants to use and the rest don't have a problem with it (besides not wanting to answer), I don't have a problem either. I just didn't think it was an efficient use of our time and his brainpower.

And I have to say, it looks pretty bad for vezo. I was going to say something to vezo after the post following SSBF's ISOs of Friend since it basically tries to call Friend out on the same thing that SSBF said, but vezo claims it was a ninja (or a "nath"?) by SSBF. I'm not sure if I buy that though since the posts were 6 minutes apart. Just after being called out on sheeping Oso, vezo seems to sheep SSBF. It's also that vezo voted Tasky, unvoted, and then labels him scum again (along with Friend).

Vote: vezokpiraka

[Tasky]

Tasky: How many games have you played? I want to know a little more about your experience level.

I am currently in 4 online-mafia games, haven't completed one though...
I have quite some experience with face-to-face-mafia but I do realize that it's quite different from the online version...
I really don't want anyone to protect me with the newb-card... just stop overrating that RQS-questions, they were nothing more than a way to get started...

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ISO: 1 Does RQS. His RQS questions are mostly good, but #2 and #3 indicates rolefishing.

ISO: 2 Gives poor reasons for voting vezokpiraka, sounds like OMGUS.

talking about contradictions... first you say my RQS questions are good (save 2/3) and then you say voting for not answering them is poor reason... since we were in RVS and any reason, no matter how poor is better than no reason, this means it was no reason...
so you are saying that not answering good RQS questions is less a reason than RVS voting... that seems wrong

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I'd like to see more activity from jayfl383, posted almost nothing...

[Tasky]

And I have to say, it looks pretty bad for vezo. I was going to say something to vezo after the post following SSBF's ISOs of Friend since it basically tries to call Friend out on the same thing that SSBF said, but vezo claims it was a ninja (or a "nath"?) by SSBF. I'm not sure if I buy that though since the posts were 6 minutes apart. Just after being called out on sheeping Oso, vezo seems to sheep SSBF.

this is a good point... especially since if you are posting and someone posts something in the meanwhile, you get notified by the forum mechanics... so, at the time he posted he already knew about SSBF's post...
but, instead of somehow expressing his agreement, he wanted to make sure by a EBWOP that his idea was indeed original...
this looks like trying to get town-cred... and that is usually scummy

[Oso]

especially since if you are posting and someone posts something in the meanwhile, you get notified by the forum mechanics...

Testing this statement by subscribing to topic and seeing if it ends up as a board notification or in my personal email box. Of course, me being the poster might hose it for me. So could the first person who see this post?

[Oso]

First person who see it that is playing in this that is....

[Tasky]

especially since if you are posting and someone posts something in the meanwhile, you get notified by the forum mechanics...

Testing this statement by subscribing to topic and seeing if it ends up as a board notification or in my personal email box. Of course, me being the poster might hose it for me. So could the first person who see this post?

no, didn't mean it that way...
if you write a comment, and meanwhile someone else writes a comment and post it, once you click "submit" there appears a message that tells you that new posts were posted while you were writing and it asks you if you want to change your post in the light of the new information (paraphrasing)

[Oso]

It does? I mustn't have posted over another player since the board change then. Carry on. Don't mind the weird guy in corner

[q21]

Um... *sneaks in the back door*


I've just read through the thread and absolutely none of it has managed to stick in my head... Probably has something to so with it being 0:30 and having spent the whole day melting my brain with Thermodynamics calculations of doom.

Er...

Vote: q21

For his blatantly, if inadvertently, lurking through the first 5 pages of the game.

[KageLord]

Just realized that I forgot to unvote before voting again. I'm not sure if it really matters, but if it helps the mod...

Unvote: q21

Vote: vezokpiraka

[q21]

Aw.,... and we had a 2 vote bandwagon going and everything...

[quadz08]

BANDWAGON ON Q21!!!!!

Aww, crap. Too late.

Anyway, I agree about vezok. I'm glad KageLord noticed the time differential between vezok's post and SSBF's; that was well done. Vezok's very first post was an immediate vote on Tasky for "subtly" ending RVS, which was a scum-tell to him. However, Tasky very clearly pointed out he was attempting to end RVS:

now... since I'd actually like to get out of the RVS fast, I'll ask some questions for you to answer...

Far from subtle, hm?

He also said he thought quicklynches could be beneficial, and has provided close to none of his own opinion. (Of course, this early in the game, that's not really a big deal.)

I think right now, he's the scummiest-looking player, so...

VOTE: vezokpiraka

[totallynotmafia]

Vote count 1.2

Oso (0)
Tasky (1) Super Smash Bros. Fan
KageLord (0)
Friend (0)
q21 (1) q21
jayfl383 (0)
xvart (1) ChibiSanNub
quadz08 (0)
diddin (1) xvart
vezokpiraka (5) Tasky, Friend, diddin, KageLord, quadz08
ChibiSanNub (0)
Super Smash Bros. Fan (0)

Not voting: Oso, jayfl383, vezokpiraka

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Deadline is July 21, 10:30 AM (GMT + 10:00).

[quadz08]

@mod: I think vezok unvoted.

Ah, yep missed that one. Thanks.

[diddin]

L-2 this early? I think we really need to take a look at this wagon, as it took off way too quick.

unvote

[jayfl383]

FIRST AND FOREMOST THAT WAGON ON VEZO HAS SCUM WRITTEN ALL OVER IT....next...

P.S. (lol triplepost)

I don't find Tasky's questions to be rolefishing. Answers to the "what role do you like" question are too WIFOMy to analyze anyways.

Ok above we see where Friend has defended Tasky..okay.

I don't understand Oso's contradiction. I don't want to defend Tasky here because I think he's pretty scummy anyways, but I still don't get it.

UNVOTE: SSBF
VOTE: Diddin

Jumping all over that came off as quite opportunistic.

Here again Friend now votes for Diddin because Diddin voted for....TASKY.....Friend votes Diddin because he felt Diddin's vote was opportunistic. But Friend, don't you think you're vote was opportunistic as well, just because another vote was placed on Tasky you felt the need to vote Diddin. Or was it that you were trying to distract town from going on with the lynch??



Next..

In the above post you say you don't want to defend Tasky cause you think he's scummy...Super Smash votes him then what do you do...

SSBF: Tell me what the case on Tasky is, in your own words.

This next one JUMPED out at me...

Guys, take a look at Tasky's join date, posting style, etc. Now tell me, do you really think he's good enough to subtly rolefish like that as scum? Cause I really don't.

@KageLord: how would scum find out a cop/doc through Tasky's questions?

Not only are you defending Tasky some more but now you are bringing potential WIFOM into it, who cares about his join date and posting style...seriously dude...weak imo.



To sum things up, for you to hardcore defend someone like that, not to mention there are other examples I didn't post, but to defend someone like that you would have to be positive he's town. Right now only scum know who the townies are. If you are going on gut instinct and defending him well then that's just bad play imo to put yourself out there like that...what happens if Tasky flips scum? It just doesn't add up...your entire gameplay thus far...

VOTE: Friend

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

@q21: ISO: 0 - Absolutely hate this. I see absolutely no purpose of that self-vote, especially since we're already getting something to work on in this game.

SSBF. Think about it, now. I'm not defending Tasky on anything else except the rolefishing accusations, because I do NOT think Taskyscum is capable of thinking "hm I'll try and out some PRs with these RQs" in a million years.

No matter how you defended a person, the point is that you defended a person and that will not change. Even if it was defending Tasky's rolefishing accustions, a defense on a person is a defense on a person.

talking about contradictions... first you say my RQS questions are good (save 2/3) and then you say voting for not answering them is poor reason... since we were in RVS and any reason, no matter how poor is better than no reason, this means it was no reason...
so you are saying that not answering good RQS questions is less a reason than RVS voting... that seems wrong

People can choose to participate in either RVS, RQS, or both. Most of your RQS questions are good, but it should be a matter of personal prefrence to answer RQS question, not an obligation.

[Friend]

ITT defending people is a scumtell

I'm not saying Tasky is or isn't scum, which Jay doesn't seem to get. I'm saying he was NOT rolefishing with his RQs. Nothing more, nothing less.

[quadz08]

@Friend: what is ITT?

[Oso]

ITT=In This Thread

[quadz08]

ah, thank you.

[vezokpiraka]

I know the post before you appears but it doesn't show the avatar.
I usually read it after I post.

@friend : Top two scum suspects please.

[Friend]

you + diddin

[Tasky]

FIRST AND FOREMOST THAT WAGON ON VEZO HAS SCUM WRITTEN ALL OVER IT....next...

could you please explain why in a calm manner instead of yelling at us... I don't know which authority you think to have, you don't have it...

Here again Friend now votes for Diddin because Diddin voted for....TASKY.....Friend votes Diddin because he felt Diddin's vote was opportunistic. But Friend, don't you think you're vote was opportunistic as well, just because another vote was placed on Tasky you felt the need to vote Diddin.

wait a moment... if someone votes in an opportunistic manner it's quite irrelevant who that vote targets, no?
opportunistic voting and unvoting (and sheeping) is a scumtell no matter who the wagonee is at that moment, it happened to be me, but it could have been someone else...

Or was it that you were trying to distract town from going on with the lynch??

you really think that wagon on me would have gone on to a lynch? I see that as wishful thinking of a scumbag who'd really like to quicklynch...

FoS:

jayfl383

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I know the post before you appears

but it doesn't show the avatar

.

why would that matter?
you are somehow dodging the attack on you instead of responding...
so I have some questions (those are not RQs, so I'd really like an answer this time):
1. did you know of SSBF's post when you submitted your's?
--> 2a. if yes, why did you post that way anyway?
---------> 3a. why did you lie in your EBWOP then?
--> 2b. if no, why did you ignore the forum message that told you?
---------> 3b. did you care at all about what others (in this case SSBF) was posting?