DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, his results will be meaningless until he's dead, as it should be.

That's not the point.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Again, I don't understand why an SK would ever ask to be investigated.

lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Thought exercise:

Given that cop works how it does, what are the motivations for a terrorist to ask to be investigated?

Especially when asking to be investigated in an inherently odd thing to do that will always draw attention?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Thought exercise:

Given that cop works how it does, what are the motivations for a terrorist to ask to be investigated?

Especially when asking to be investigated in an inherently odd thing to do that will always draw attention?

That's no thought exercise -- people already explained why a Terrorist wants to be investigated: a "Not Mafia" result does not implicate them and may help them survive longer. We aren't Terrorist hunting right now; we're scumhunting right now, as in main faction mafia. You just one to slither your way to endgame on a free pass, and it isn't gonna escape our notice, so you can stop trying.

HoS Lady Lambdelta

Except it's

Prima Facie [/b] That a not mafia result doesn't exonerate someone from being a terrorist. So arguing that this is a reason why they'd ask for that is dumb.

Like "saying that allow you to slink into late game" is hilarious GIVEN WHO I AM.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

MY MIND IS TELLING NOOOOOOOOOOO

BUT MY BODY

MY BODYYYYYY IS TELLING ME YESSSSS

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey I'm voting mastin i believe I'm helping

Omega Good Job~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

PSYCHOLOGICAL PROFILE

DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE AN ACCURATE PSYCHOLOGICAL PROFILE OF ME, LET ALONE OF ANYONE ON AN ONLINE WEB FORUM?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lynch Mastin please

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I need Mastin to tell me about my Psychological Profile.

I have deep seeded issues that need addressing and I need Mastin to provide me therapy.

Then after that I'll need therapy from talking to Mastin, but hey, trade offs.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm sorry :/

Everyone lynching this is a scumbag or fucking in denial.

This is so fucking genuine in response to Cheetory

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I need Mastin to tell me about my Psychological Profile.

I have deep seeded issues that need addressing and I need Mastin to provide me therapy.

Then after that I'll need therapy from talking to Mastin, but hey, trade offs.

Quoting for a new page so Mastin can read it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The cop claim is irrelevant to his alignment, and likely true.

What is relevant is the tonality of his fucking posts. He GENUINELY GIVEs A SHIT THAT CHEETORY IS UPSET AT HIM FOR PLAYING LIEK A FUCKNIG STEAMING TRASHHEAP

WHAT SCUMBAG IS THT GENUINELY UPSET?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AtE is the worst fucking thing in Mafia.

Mafia is a fucking emotional game. Emotions are a good way to confuse people and also to connect with people.

Hand waving a genuine fucking thing lke that as "AtE" is a fucking disgrace.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like AtE is the new fucking buzzword because it shuts down players who don't post long fucking walls of drivel and shite.

And it's fucking attrocious.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AtE is the worst fucking thing in Mafia.

Mafia is a fucking emotional game. Emotions are a good way to confuse people and also to connect with people.

Hand waving a genuine fucking thing lke that as "AtE" is a fucking disgrace.

I'm sorry :/

Funny enough, this is evidence for my fucking point.

It's god damned EASY to tell when it's genuine and when it's fucking not.

And yes, contextually it's simple to see SAD is never going to be a genuine anything except maybe a genuine asshole, but hey, the fact is that you can still tell genuine emotion from fake bullshit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey Mastin, can you tell me about my Psychological Profile?

I''d love to learn more about your insights on DID, yeah?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I take that back, I was making a joke, please don't hurt me with some fucking awful post about DID.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I can see it in my head now.

It's dreadful. Mastin trying to display an emotion that isn't attention seeking or despair.

The day Mastin shows any form of true empathy, is the day the world ends I think.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mastin let's be honest with ourselves ok?

"sacrificing" is a word that requires you to give something up, or lose something.

And you never had any hope of being charismatic, now or in any other mafia game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The cop claim is irrelevant to his alignment, and likely true.

What is relevant is the tonality of his fucking posts. He GENUINELY GIVEs A SHIT THAT CHEETORY IS UPSET AT HIM FOR PLAYING LIEK A FUCKNIG STEAMING TRASHHEAP

WHAT SCUMBAG IS THT GENUINELY UPSET?

A scumbag who drew commie and is afraid of getting nuked/lynched for being a trashheap?

He's being nuked/lynched regardless.

Like, think about that. He's claimed a role that cannot protect him from nukes. Ever. Never ever.

So either he's town and scum will be forced to kill him eventually.

Or he's scum and he'll eat radioactive ash.

In either case, he's not afraid of death because his death is foretold.

So how in the world do you egt that from his sorry ppost?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mastin let's be honest with ourselves ok?

"sacrificing" is a word that requires you to give something up, or lose something.

And you never had any hope of being charismatic, now or in any other mafia game.

LLD you know better than to bother engaging with the narrative scum is trying to spin

Narrative?

I just wanted to insult Mastin because she annoys me..

Are we pllaying a game here?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey Mastin I read your RWBY Fancomic, and I had some questions.

Why does Ruby have a bow? You know that she has a Scythe right?

also, where's Yang? I'd figure Ruby's big sister would be seen somewhere right?

.... wait it's not fanfiction? But it's so bad! You mean she actually tried to be creative?

Mastin, have you been sued by Rooster Teeth yet?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah I liked RWBY too.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Are we even playing mafia right now, LLD?
:/

Currently? Marginally.

Mastin continues to ignore me, and that's fine. If Mastin wants to ignore me, I'll just say whatever I like about her and she can choose not to response as she likes.

that being said, the "psychological profile" thing kind of bothered me, so maybe I'm being a bit cruel.

/me shrugs

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean, the hope is to get Mastin to respond to questions instead of picking and choosing what she talks about, so people can see how bullshit her EVERYTHING is.

Want to know why an ISOdive on Mastin doesn't work? Because she refuses to respond to anything that may portray her in a negative light.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't think I'd like the Mastina I don't see any more than the one I do see, but the change could be refreshing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I see how that post could be genuine emotion. I don't know if that makes it plainly town emotion. I will admit it gives me pause, but it is just two words and the first non scummy post I've seen him make

Town make genuinely scummy posts far easier than scum make genuinely town posts. Just a thought.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How about we compromise and you lynch mastin?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean she threatened to nuke LLD. Is there any advantage to coasting through day 1? This is starting to feel like LLD's SEKRETS
Why didn't I lynch LLD for SEKRETS?
I don't know.
Why didn't I just turn and say "oh yes I should have done that."
This feels like the exact point in the game where I look back and say "oh yes I should have done that there"

No fuck it I'm doing it. Everything from her initial beef with Mastin to this calculated defense to... ugh.

OKAY I MAY BE CRAZY
BUT IT JUST MIGHT BE A LUNATIC YOU'RE LOOKING FOR

Vote: LLD

I'm not scared of Mastin or her nukes. Think again.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like...

What is the end outcome of this read?

I don't live to the end of the game in any scenario, so if your fear is I'm the Terrorist, throw that out.

I've asked to be investigated, so if your fear is I'm scum, unless I'm running the ultimate double bluff, throw that out.

So... where does that leave you?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Tell me, Keith.

What's my angle? What am I shooting for? Read me, baby. Come on, tell me what my endgame is for tormenting Mastin. Tell me what my endgame is for wanting to lynch her.

Tell me MY MOTIVATION.

I'll wait.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Tell me, Keith.

What's my angle? What am I shooting for? Read me, baby. Come on, tell me what my endgame is for tormenting Mastin. Tell me what my endgame is for wanting to lynch her.

Tell me MY MOTIVATION.

I'll wait.

What's ever been your motivation for aggressively 1v1ing a player day 1 as scum?

Because people leave the pricker bush alone, you only have to prick one person, and of course you're not scared of Mastin's nukes when you can A) shoot down nukes with your own ABM thingy, and B) can always just blow her to kingdom come at night and C) mislynch her and go "oops my b"

I don't have a nuke, I've clearly claimed to have deployed.

And there are multiple people waiting in line to nuke me. Scum only get 1 kill before nukes, not 2. or 3. or 4.

I can't kill enough people to avoid that.

Next?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Tell me, Keith.

What's my angle? What am I shooting for? Read me, baby. Come on, tell me what my endgame is for tormenting Mastin. Tell me what my endgame is for wanting to lynch her.

Tell me MY MOTIVATION.

I'll wait.

What's ever been your motivation for aggressively 1v1ing a player day 1 as scum?

Because people leave the pricker bush alone, you only have to prick one person, and of course you're not scared of Mastin's nukes when you can A) shoot down nukes with your own ABM thingy, and B) can always just blow her to kingdom come at night and C) mislynch her and go "oops my b"

oh and this isn't a 1v1. This is me pushign a wagon. If it was a 1v1 you'd know.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Come on, next attempt at motivation. Go on, I'm waiting. I've got literally all night.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

...

Why not just explain the town motivation to the SEKRETS crap then?

If I am going to die before the end of this game, I want to die in a manner that forces the most resource out of the scum, and forces them into a bad hand.

Imagine if the Terrorist dies at any point after I've been investigated.

Imagine if the scum need to waste a night kill on me.

I get to continually apply pressure while also removing a potential mislynch from the board for scum?

Feels like an A+ play for me.

Oh, and my role works really well with this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I mean if you have all night then maybe...

Oh ffs this is LITERALLY mystery powers that don't make sense.

This is not stuff I let slide.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I literally offered to claim for you and you refused it.

Offer back on table, you want it?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

...........................................................................................................

This is just some scum ass mindgame crap.

I don't play mindgames, I straight shoot.

You know that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

...........................................................................................................

This is just some scum ass mindgame crap.

I don't play mindgames, I straight shoot.

You know that.

You pride yourself on living in people's head as scum.

But I'm not scum.

/me shrugs

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And if you want to see that, have buddy investigate me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: SS

[Lady Lambdadelta]

[Day 2, DEFCON 2]

"Mr. President."
"Admiral Andrius. More good news, I hope?"
"Actua-"
"No, wait. You need to know that the Russian bomber fleet over Europe has not changed course. The Pacific is still crawling with the Russian flotilla. Andrius, this could get bad."
"Well, we prepared for this. The Task Force will be assembling any minute."
"Good. I'm taking the nation down to DEFCON 2 in response to the undeterred Russian advance. This could get ugly."
"Affirmative. I'll inform the fleet and advise the Task Force."

The old general had seen his fair share of combat. The war against the Europeans cost the nation many of its top leaders, and those who survived were often affected. He no longer commanded rooms with a blazing fury and brute force. He had responsibilities now.


When General Fate arrived at his office at 06:00 hours, he did not notice the fresh coffee awaiting him or the mountain of emails. He did not notice the new office plant in the corridor or the new hair style of his cheery secretary.

A block of C4 detonated as he opened his office door, ending his lengthy career as a loyal American.

Fate, American (Missile Silo), was Killed N1!

It is now DEFCON 2. Day 2 will last until 12/14/2016 at 10:00 hours PST.
[COUNTDOWN GOES HERE.]

With 22 alive it takes 12 to lynch.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: SAD

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Where are your reads at right now?

Not addressed to me, but you saw me mention three heavy suspects. Ircher is also on that list, which I forgot to mention. My list aside from that looks something akin to this:

Ser Arthur Dayne
Cephrir
Cheetory
UT
Vaxkiller
Spiffeh
Nukebringer

MoI
GreyICE
Accountant
Reck

hiplop
Nahdia
McMenno
Errantparabola
SpyreX

Some of these changes are obvious enough.
Others less so.

I don't really expect people to ask about said changes, but people are free to.

I wasn't going to mention Mastin's sudden dissapearance of a read on me in her prior posts, but given she's now put it in a giant list

Hi Mastin I was your top sucm read all yesterday where did my name go?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What happened to LLD?

I am watching chess world championships

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No I was asking mastin what happened to her scum read of you

Her recent answer does not satisfy me

No shit, lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lol

wat

[Lady Lambdadelta]

To be fair, I'm salty as fuck that the guy nuked us out of the gate, but whatever.

And Mastin didn't nuke me.

This is opposite world.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

CAPS LOCK IS FOR FILTHY COMMUNISTS.

I USE RIGHT SHIFT BECAUSE I'M A CANADIAN. LEFT SHIFT IS FOR AMERICANS.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Honestly, I'm a bit depressed.

I was really hoping to troll some people today

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Errantparabola

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

VOTE: EP

SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE.

BLOOD PACT ENABLED.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

WE ARE NOT THE BORG

WE DO NOT ASSIMIALTE.

WE SPREAD CHAOS AND DEATH.

IN THE NAME OF KHORNE

[Lady Lambdadelta]

p-edit i can be down with an ep murder at some point

I mean it's not the worst lynch in the world.
Errant's no townread.
In fact, Errant's south of null.

Unfortunately I don't think the things GreyICE has pointed out are alignment indicative even though they probably should be.

I'd just assume someone nuke Errant to save us the lynch.

Ircher is someone

we almost assuredly can't nuke,

whereas Errant we probably can.

Why?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

MoI YOUR BLOOD GOD CALLS.

SPYREX

UT

WE WILL BECOME KHORNE'S FIST

[Lady Lambdadelta]

p-edit i can be down with an ep murder at some point

I mean it's not the worst lynch in the world.
Errant's no townread.
In fact, Errant's south of null.

Unfortunately I don't think the things GreyICE has pointed out are alignment indicative even though they probably should be.

I'd just assume someone nuke Errant to save us the lynch.

Ircher is someone

we almost assuredly can't nuke,

whereas Errant we probably can.

Why?

Thinkin' they're the terrorist, and thinkin' terrorist would take fallout shelter.

Terrorist taking Fallout shelter is fucking terrible unless they take it in the draft.

Actually terrible, it guarantees they lose the game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

p-edit i can be down with an ep murder at some point

Ircher is someone

we almost assuredly can't nuke,

whereas Errant we probably can.

Why?

Ircher posted his draft picks.

All three of the anti-nuke powers were on it, and not low, either. Strategic Missile Defense = Ircher can intercept the missile. Fallout shelter = Ircher survives. Covert Ops Team = he sabotaged a nuke.

All three were his top choices.

We know that all powers are at play because I didn't get any.
So that means he got one.

Ergo, we can't nuke him.
We CAN lynch him.

At best he can stop 1 nuke.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

p-edit i can be down with an ep murder at some point

Ircher is someone

we almost assuredly can't nuke,

whereas Errant we probably can.

Why?

Ircher posted his draft picks.

All three of the anti-nuke powers were on it, and not low, either. Strategic Missile Defense = Ircher can intercept the missile. Fallout shelter = Ircher survives. Covert Ops Team = he sabotaged a nuke.

All three were his top choices.

We know that all powers are at play because I didn't get any.
So that means he got one.

Ergo, we can't nuke him.
We CAN lynch him.

At best he can stop 1 nuke.

Role claiming, are you? Why?

I'm not claiming anything.

I'm just saying that you deserve a nuke launched at you, and if it's stopped we'll know more, won't we?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Anyway, my role is pretty obvious if people have payed attention to what I have said concerning that....

Pedit: You said I could stop 1 nuke at best.... That's a role claim.

Well think about it.

If you're the thing that can shoot down nukes, it needs to be done publically, and only once a day.

Similarly, if you sabotaged someone's nuke, then that would also stop exactly one nuke.

And if you're fallout shelter, the second you don't die from being nuked, everyone would just lynch you instead since the other two are provable reasons and thus this is the only reason why you wouldn't have died.

At best, you stop 1 nuke.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why would anyone be rolefishing given how the game is going so far? We literally have as many dead scum players as town players, roles are NOT required at the moment.

I just waant Ircher nuked and I'm debating Mastin on the merits of it concerning Ircher's prior claim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

MoI YOUR BLOOD GOD CALLS.

SPYREX

UT

WE WILL BECOME KHORNE'S FIST

why don't we just use my nuke

No, you're nuking Reck.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

MoI YOUR BLOOD GOD CALLS.

SPYREX

UT

WE WILL BECOME KHORNE'S FIST

why don't we just use my nuke

No, you're nuking Reck.

I'm serious UT, next post, nuke Reck. Blood for the blood gods.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

MoI YOUR BLOOD GOD CALLS.

SPYREX

UT

WE WILL BECOME KHORNE'S FIST

why don't we just use my nuke

No, you're nuking Reck.

I'm serious UT, next post, nuke Reck. Blood for the blood gods.

I'm going to at least wait to see what the sub hits

Fair 'nough.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like frankly Cheetory, we're at what? Like 16:3:1? We started at 18:5:1? A normal game would be balanced at 9:3:1. We have 2 dead townies and 2 dead scum.

Now is not the time where we "have to hit scum". Now is the time to purge as many people who are lurking, have been deliberately avoiding the thread, and are otherwise completely nonentities. Are some of them going to be town? Yes. Are some of them going to be scum? Hell yes. And maybe we hit the SK to boot. If you want to be town, now's the time to stand up and be counted, because I have a lot of strong town reads and there's a lot of people who need to die.

So what's the case on EP? He soft defended SS, he has deliberately power lurked all game, he's done nothing to be deserving of a town read. He dies by nuke, he dies by lynch, I just don't care which.

Exactly this.

An East Wind is coming, kiddies, and it carries radioactive tidings.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I honestly think you should just toss the Nuke at him now, but that's because I want to watch him burn.

so yeah, works for me

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, why hasn't Reck nuked me yet?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: hiplop

And my vote for worst vote in the thread goes to

Hilarious Grey. I mean it's not like Nuke is so unlikely to be Commie that we already called of one nuke on him.

Is he your Commie partner.

No, but GIF did present a "Not-Russian" result on Hiplop at the beginning of the day.

So I'd say it's the worst vote in the thread, yeah.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And considering Hippo just Silo nuked someone....

Odds he's the SK are lowering dramatically.

So...................

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh you're right Zito.

Vote: Mastin

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well, I'm literally carrying a Phoenix on my arm, a torch shouldn't be too hard.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

THE BLOOD PACT.

MY BROTHERS RETURN TO MY AID.

PRAISE KHORNE FOR THIS GIFT

[Lady Lambdadelta]

why oh why must mastina die

HER SKULL MUST FORM THE SKULL THRONE.

DO NOT QUESTION WHY, SISTER.

JOIN THE MIGHTY FIST OF KHORNE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cause

Get on the train

why oh why must mastina die

Do you

really

want a slot that's playing that badly to stay in the game?

oh okay

call it off guys

Nahdia townread her

Who fucking cares.

literally the best.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So what you're saying is, I'm proven not to be the terrorist?

Because the terrorist killed a scum last night?

Cool.

GIF, please investigate me tonight.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

oh and ACC doesn't preclude you from being scum/terrorist.

So I say let the nuke ride, bby.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Considering GiF has gotten checks both nights and I'm holding Counterintel, I think RECK is likely town if he's unCC'd.

1) GiF has publically stated they will not be checking for SK.
2) Reck is unlikely to be scum since it's likely he genuinely believes he stopped a scum kill.
3) Ergo, if Reck is SK and has nothing to fear from leaving GiF unchecked for now, why would he roleblock her over trying to roleblock someone that could actually kill him.

Your logic functions to agree that Reck is unlikely to be a scum ACC. That being said, Reck was almost certainly never being scum aligned anyway.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Considering GiF has gotten checks both nights and I'm holding Counterintel, I think RECK is likely town if he's unCC'd.

this too

i'd be ACCing the fuck out of GiF if i wasnt town

@MOD: Does the SMD intercept sub?

It can. Remember that SMD targets the attacker, not the victim.

okay, so like, SMD can either save me here or try to target blindly into the masses and kill off one of the sub strikes

really though I think I'm pretty valuable as town considering I have the ACC and i think there's enough shit here to show that i'm definitely not group scum

i don't really know how to process the idea that I'm SK, other than saying "if you think id take ACC as SK then you're fucking high" i guess

Not if you're third party......

[Lady Lambdadelta]

things i don't do in this game if im scum:

- call S_S town off of his first post and open myself up by linking myself to newbmoron scum
- kill fate n1
- vote against total war
- not bus spiffeh

^ call it self meta if you want but im not idiotic enough to hard defend my scumbuddy based on a fluff post d1 especially when that scumbuddy is clearly an idiot. and i definitely don't kill fate n1 when UT has a better track record of reading me as scum (fate has literally never correctly read me as scum to my knowledge). and i certainly don't prolong total war when im notoriously bad at d1 shit anyway and it's when i'd be at my weakest. AND AND spiffeh would've been primo reckbus material, and i definitely wouldn't have let him plan to call me half of a town v town because it would drive me up a wall

things S_S/Spiffeh did that make me less likely to be scum

- spiffeh said me v accountant was town v town
- spiffeh's interactions w/ me in general were blindly calling me town in an attempt to enter my blind spot
- S_S had me listed as "reevaluate later" under his reads for most of the game

^ none of this looks like deliberate scum positioning with knowledge i am their buddy

Ok so that list of things confuses Scum and SK things and makes it much larger.

Also, It's just false that you don't kill Fate N1 as SK, so...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, let's go through.

- Calling SS town? If you're SK it's irrelevant. He's not your buddy, you can't know. It's just as likely you thought he was actually town. Further, taking a solid stance on a controversial wagon makes your standing go up in a lot of ways.
- Killing Fate N1. Fate would have lol nuked you if he felt like it. Is it terrible if you're group scum? Sure, but it can be avoided. Is it terrible if you're SK? Yeah. You're resigned to blocking Fate everynight and opening yoruself up to scum kills.
- SK always wants to vote against Total War. More death = more random chance you just die early. You need to live to endgame, so.
- If you're SK, you can't bus or not bus spiffeh, he's not your alignment.

So there you go.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So what were your bids, Reck?

I bet they looked like this:

Sub
Fallout Shelter
ACC

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I actually don't know how the terrorist's free pick works. Does he get to choose before or after the draft result?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

reasons people have given for me to actually be the SK: 0

you read that?

zero

z e r o

you're not explaining how im the SK. nobody has explained how im the SK. UT apparently just nuked me for lulz, im not even sure what he meant by quoting that post of mine

i demonstratably have the aircraft carrier

there's no way i take ACC as SK and it's clear the SK already has the sub SO if im proven to have the aircraft carrier then i absolutely took it in the draft because the SK 100% used the free grab on the sub

ACC is a roleblocker, I can see a lot of reasons for scum to take an RB that also prevents nukes.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

*SK, not scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

things SK takes before ACC:

sub
an actual nuke
covert ops thing
air base
fallout shelter
missle interceptor
fuck even failsafe because going out in a blaze of glory as SK is amazing

Sub is proven for the SK to have, given the 2 subs.
Actual Nuke feels weak if you already have a sub.
Covert ops is provably worse than a ACC because ACC prevents nukes too.
Air Base could be a reasonable choice, but someone could have taken it from you.
Ditto with Fallout Shelter
Missle Interceptor is strong but probably not as good of a back up as ACC
Fail Safe on SK is literally terrible shut up

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Or wait maybe that's stupid.
I think lld is a weird block at least for sk.

He genuinely thinks I'm scum.

and he thinks as scum I'd shoot him.

It's not that hard to read, he said it himself. He's convinced he blocked the scum night kill.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

things SK takes before ACC:

sub
an actual nuke
covert ops thing
air base
fallout shelter
missle interceptor
fuck even failsafe because going out in a blaze of glory as SK is amazing

Sub is proven for the SK to have, given the 2 subs.
Actual Nuke feels weak if you already have a sub.
Covert ops is provably worse than a ACC because ACC prevents nukes too.
Air Base could be a reasonable choice, but someone could have taken it from you.
Ditto with Fallout Shelter
Missle Interceptor is strong but probably not as good of a back up as ACC
Fail Safe on SK is literally terrible shut up

HEYYY check out my bids

in order for air base and fallout shelter to be taken from me and me end up with ACC, it would have to be #3 on my bids list

i got ACC at #2

let someone counterclaim that or shut up

Ok so you valued ACC above something else, big deal. I'm not claiming to know your exact mind, i'm just saying you're presenting paper thin arguments for why you somehow could never be SK, when it's a lot more likely than you'd like people to believe.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok so you valued ACC above something else, big deal. I'm not claiming to know your exact mind, i'm just saying you're presenting paper thin arguments for why you somehow could never be SK, when it's a lot more likely than you'd like people to believe.

asdfuijap98wiejf89jiasdf

everyone: reck could be SK, let's nuke him
me: here's what i wouldve done as SK
everyone: that's a paper thin argument
me: okay what's your argument for me being SK
everyone: ?????????????????????

My argument is that you have motivations for your behaviour that fit being an SK, and I don't have a town read on you.

It's that simple.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

"I have the ACC I have the ACC I have the ACC"

and I'm supposed to believe you because...?

Occam's Razor. He dies if he's CC'd so there's no point in claiming something he doesn't have.

So the question isn't "does Reck have this" because that's solvable easiily by CC.

The question is "does SK reck have this?"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

"I have the ACC I have the ACC I have the ACC"

and I'm supposed to believe you because...?

#1 no counterclaims
#2 i targeted LLD so we can fucking prove it easily by either having her confirm her night action failed or have her try launching a nuke and it will fail

like this isn't hard

if im claiming ACC and lying then someone would counterclaim me first off, but second off, we have a VERY EASY WAY TO PROVE I HAVE IT

I can do neither of those things. I don't have a night action and I don't have a nuke.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

look you ask me what I have out. I say the nuke. literally NINE MINUTES LATER the sub shoots at possibly me

considering my position here you have to see why I think that looks like you probing to see if I went defense and then taking the shot

PEdit: okay LLD, shoot your nuke at Reck and let's find out if he actually ACC'd you. if he did, I call off my nuke. two birds.

I do not have a nuke, nor do I have a night action.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

"I have the ACC I have the ACC I have the ACC"

and I'm supposed to believe you because...?

Occam's Razor. He dies if he's CC'd so there's no point in claiming something he doesn't have.

So the question isn't "does Reck have this" because that's solvable easiily by CC.

The question is "does SK reck have this?"

I guess he could conceivably have both the sub and the ACC

That is the thought. Secret Vig + Nightkill + Roleblocker that prevents nukes feels good man for an SK

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Actually, in order to confirm you got it at 2 we need someone who put ACC at 2 and didn't get it.

Because otherwise you could have tied at the next number bid and won.

Not that that's likely, but.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD are you scum or fucking stupid

because i know you know deep down in your soul that ACC @ 2 for SK is fucking bad play

so you're either doing this because you're scum trying to goad UT into keeping his nuke on me to eliminate a strong town player

or you're a fucking imbecile

You can go fuck yourself. You are not the fucking beacon of townie light you fucking think you are.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD are you scum or fucking stupid

because i know you know deep down in your soul that ACC @ 2 for SK is fucking bad play

so you're either doing this because you're scum trying to goad UT into keeping his nuke on me to eliminate a strong town player

or you're a fucking imbecile

You can go fuck yourself. You are not the fucking beacon of townie light you fucking think you are.

and you're clearly not half as smart as you think you are if you're pushing for my nuke simply because "well i cant prove you're NOT sk!!!!"

jesus fucking christ

Is there a possible world where you're town? Sure. It might even be close to 50/50

But it's not above that.

You dying benefits the game. East Wind, mother fucker.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

cancel the nuke and let GIF check me for being SK tonight then

if he's roleblocked, you'll know im lynch worthy or nuke worthy!

if he winds up dead, then oh well and ill probably get nuked anyway but it at least gives me a shot at blocking the scumkill!

Not happening, given GiF now needs to check me for being not scum, given your claim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yes.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD are you scum or fucking stupid

because i know you know deep down in your soul that ACC @ 2 for SK is fucking bad play

so you're either doing this because you're scum trying to goad UT into keeping his nuke on me to eliminate a strong town player

or you're a fucking imbecile

You can go fuck yourself. You are not the fucking beacon of townie light you fucking think you are.

and you're clearly not half as smart as you think you are if you're pushing for my nuke simply because "well i cant prove you're NOT sk!!!!"

jesus fucking christ

Is there a possible world where you're town? Sure. It might even be close to 50/50

But it's not above that.

You dying benefits the game. East Wind, mother fucker.

awww did that sound really badass and cool and fun in your head?

im sorry

There's no benefit to antagonizing me beyond trying to work me up and make you look better so you survive.

That motivation benefits SK you.

I'm just going to let you burn, and smile.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Reck, I didn't know you could get off to a woman.

Brock will be devastated.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Reck, I didn't know you could get off to a woman.

Brock will be devastated.

i get off to myself

I don't think anyone is surprised you're a narcissist.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

also don't really buy LLD's whole "check me tonight GIF!!!!" thing because she could just fucking shoot GIF

not if battleship saves her etc

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I can't think of something dumber for SkReck to do at this stage.

It was done by Sub?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Who owns that sub lld? Is it the sk or auto or skzito killing himself?

One of the Sub's is claimed by Zito.

The other one can only have been deployed by the SK.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Thanks phone. I wanted you to say auto instead of zito.

Pedit: ...

I don't get what you're asking me.

Like.

Zito claimed which one was his.

So are you asking me like, who owns the second one? It's the SK and I think that's reck?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Except, once again, GiF can now confirm my innocence of being ANY kind of scum with 1 check.

And with Nahdia as the CI and gif living to day 3..... pretty good odds it works out so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@UT -- Recall the nuke already. There is evidence beyond any shadow of a doubt that Reck is town.

wat

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UT has like 90 minutes to cancel because I'm pretty confident this is town reck and even if its sk reck, reck's roleclaim forces him to use his power for the good of the town or face the noose.

@Untrod, yeah, you cannot wait for the sub choices to narrow. That gives a very small 4h window and that just isn't right.

a. you're not my mother
b. is this a threat?
c. I wouldn't have said I would do what I would do unless I was sure I could actually do it. I'm free during that time. I'll even set an alarm on my phone.

do you want me to post a fucking youtube video of me setting an alarm on my phone to #cancelthenuke because I swear to god I will

DO IT.

BECOME THE NEW CDB

[Lady Lambdadelta]

All i want to say is i love this game

I feel like there's a group of people in this game who are having a return to form and genuinely enjoying themselves like we used to 2+ years ago.

I'm so happy.

I literally died of laughter at Reck's fucking GiF wall. Literally that was what I was hoping would happen when I kept spamming it early in the game. I knew Reck and I would buttheads eventualy, so I was hoping he'd do something funny.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Reck's fucking

GiF

wall

lol whoops

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ive already saved zito gosh

how's that?

He sabotaged Mastin's silo

[Lady Lambdadelta]

shit how did I miss that

regardless, intercepting Reck was fucking stupid

agreed

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Zito said rc so it's suicide if it hits reek

Please photoshop the shitting elmo or He-Man onto GoT Reek's face for me. Do it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My magic dice said 10

Is it the magic dice where you pick up the dice and set it down on a number?

I like that die.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So Reck's either the serial killer, or town.
In either case: not the best nuke, when his block action is far more valuable to us.

xRECKONERx is straight town. Serial killer is confirmed to have a submarine.

Serial killers can have two abilities....................

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Zito said rc so it's suicide if it hits reek

Please photoshop the shitting elmo or He-Man onto GoT Reek's face for me. Do it.

Zito said rc so it's suicide if it hits reek

Please photoshop the shitting elmo or He-Man onto GoT Reek's face for me. Do it.

I fucking love you guys, never let me say otherwise. I haven't laughed this hard in ages.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

so, what

We have Reck ACC Nahdia to ensure accuracy?

Battleshits protects you

and we do this right, yo?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: McMenno

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ATTENTION ALL FUCKOS

I CANNOT BE SK, AS PER RECK'S CLAIMED ACTION.

I HAVE BEEN ASKING TO BE INVESTIGATED AS RUSSIAN/NOT-RUSSIAN FOR DAYS BECAUSE FALLOUT SHELTER IS A SCUMMY AS SHIT ROLE

GIF WILL BE HONOURING MY REQUEST TONIGHT.

That was a public service announcement.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ugh, my paranoia.....

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Someone needs to nuke GreyICE tomorrow.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Let me tell you how this goes

We clear LLD beyond a shadow of a doubt by using a fuck load of resources

We nuke Nahdia

LLD is night killed

We blow raspberries and talk about how stupid we were

I say I told you so

Grey already said this, but let me restate it.

In my original post about wanting to become cleared, I made it very very clear my endgame was to force scum to night kill me.

Because I can't be nuked and if I can't be lynched.

We turn Fallout Shelter into an innocent child role and force a kill on what would have otherwise been a potential mislynch later.

With 3 of 6 total scum dead, if you can't see the advantage of eliminating all paranoia about me and giving me a full day to utilize that position of power before I get my head blown off, then you're out of your mind.

And that's not even the best case scenario.

Best case scenario we create an innocent child AND our cop is still alive. Do you know how devastating that is to scum? They can't make kills on people that suspect them, they're forced to kill other things.

That's beyond insane.

Oh, and btw? GIF needs a nuke to the face on Day 5.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GIF needs a nuke to the face on Day 5.

I prefer "Utility nuked for PoE pretties."

Nuke.

To the face.

All up ins.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

(I really say To-mah-to because that's how you say tomato in Korean.)

반갑다 친구야!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cephrir, GreyICE, MoI

It's time for these 3 to massclaim and the one who owns the Battleship is getting roped/nuked.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

did RECK blind roleblock into the god damn unclaimeds or something

Ok you're getting nuked today for this

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cephrir, GreyICE, MoI
It's time for these 3 to massclaim and the one who owns the Battleship is getting roped/nuked.

Alternatively,

Nuke: Cephrir

.
VOTE: MagnaofIllusion.

We just leave GreyICE alive and let the deaths of Cephrir and Magna serve as GreyICE's roleclaim.

.................................................................................................................................

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I HATE EVERYONE

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Look.

The reason we let the unclaimed go yesterday was simple:
We wanted to protect the doctor, whose job it was to,
1: be the nightkill, and
2: Stop the scum's nightkill, in particular, on, oh...say. THE FUCKING COP.

The doctor has breached the contract on BOTH accounts.
Neither the SK nor the scum killed in the unclaimed.
And both the SK and the scum killed claimed PRs we wanted alive.

So the doctor neither attracted the nightkill, nor stopped the nightkill on a player they should have.

So, zero. fucks. given. About saving the doctor.
The doctor failed to do their job.
So I don't give a rats ass if I nuke/lynch them anymore.

Hey moron.

We don't know who that person is.

WHAT IS THE LOSS OF WAITNG FUCKING 24 HOURS FOR THESE 3 TO CLAIM?

WHAT'S THAT? NO LOSS? YOU'RE JUST A FUCKIJNG AWFUL SHITSACK?

DAMN

[Lady Lambdadelta]

hey

hey guys

hey guys

watch this

Nuke mastina

I HATE YOU TOO

[Lady Lambdadelta]

YES

FUCKING YES

SLOW THE FUCK DOWN

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh my fucking god.

The only nukes we have left are Zito's Nuke, Hippo's Nuke and Cheetoy''s nuke.

And Nahdia, Vax and Hiplop all need to die.

So like, wtf

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AND GreyICE needs to die.

And MoI

And uhglfa;sh';hae'f;fshd

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean

maybe the cop is still alive because they were never getting nightkilled

guys I'm literally retarded ignore me

YEAH

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Zito is dead. Very dead.

Maybe the terrorist will kill one of us for ya.

Zito's dead?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I thought the nuke going at him got sabo'd

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, if Ceph is town, and you're also town, that will literally mean every single read you've had this game has been wrong other than SAD.

We've been over this.
But, one, Ceph started as a townread and only changed to a scumread after me being shown repeatedly wrong,
And two, I wasn't wrong on McMenno. I said there was a chance of him being scum, but I refused to lynch him. That was on principle partly, yes, but it was also a hard stance of sorts, saying no, I did not think he actually was scum.

If I thought someone actually was scum, no fucking duh I'd be on the wagon. Refusing the wagon was me saying I didn't.

So I've been right that both our mislynches were mislynches. The only difference is the degree in which I fought them. I was deadset against lynching SAD because he was my largest fucking townread. I was in opposition to the McMenno wagon, but I just didn't feel like arguing against it.
I also had Fate as town. And was thinking GiF was town. Yeah I pushed him the hardest, but I was changing my stance there. And had Reck as town.

In short, I've been right on every player being town. (Well, except Ircher. That one caught me off-guard.) It's the scumflips I've been wrong about.
And when you think about it, this is a natural consequence of my playstyle, which focuses on an "innocent until proven guilty" approach. It's easier to townhunt and name town than it is to scumhunt and name scum.

Also, there's like a 75% chance SpyreX just blocked me again so it's not like the nuke will actually land and do damage.
It does make a statement though.

WHY

NOT

WAIT

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mastin, can you remind me what the code word for killing yourself if you want to accelerate a nuke is?

And would you mind putting it in bold for me? I'm kind of blind

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah, it did. But then it turned out the terrorist nuked them too.

o

[Lady Lambdadelta]

HIPLOP, WILL YOU PLEASE NUKE VAXKILLER

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Basically, the only way you can justify the doctor is "Reck blocked an unconfirmed!" (a moronic action, and I repeat, RECK IS NOT A MORON),
Or, "The doctor decided to try and outguess the kill and hope that both the SK and scum would assume he'd be on GiF!" (a decision which is policy-lynch worthy).

NO SHIT.

WHY MY OPENING WORD WERE

"ONE OF THESE 3 DIES AFTER WE GET CLAIMS"

BUT YOU'RE A FUCKING IMPATIENT CHILD WHO DOESN'T LISTEN TO ANYONE AND THINKS THEIR FUCKING BRILLIANT Or sOMe SHIT

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mastin please flip scum.
Please.
Please do it.

I wish. I'd feel so fucking vindicated.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Those are your final reads, Mastin?

Mind eating a bullet then?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can you use your submarine to shoot someone else too?

Save your nuke.

Just save it for after the nukes.

And if the sub comes at you, obviously etc, but you are our clean up today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

V/LA until Mastin's a fucking glowing crater

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If scum have doc, I don't see any reason why GiF wouldn't have been the target N2 meaning the only way that kill could have failed is if RECK blocked the person executing the kill. That's where my head is at.

Except he blocked me, and I'm town.

So.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If scum have doc, I don't see any reason why GiF wouldn't have been the target N2 meaning the only way that kill could have failed is if RECK blocked the person executing the kill. That's where my head is at.

Except he blocked me, and I'm town.

So.

Yeah.

On the other hand I'm pretty much in the opposite headspace as mastin and have actually been townreading LLD today so far. But fuck it, maybe I'm wrong.

If there's a scum doc flip, LLD needs to be lynched. That's all there is to it.

Or MoI is town Air Base and was shot.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, a scum doc would explain why Nukebringer went after Ircher: they knew that nuking GiF would fail because they KNEW that GiF was protected by the battleship (which would shoot down the nuke).

... what

This is backwards.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, a scum doc would explain why Nukebringer went after Ircher: they knew that nuking GiF would fail because they KNEW that GiF was protected by the battleship (which would shoot down the nuke).

... what
This is backwards.

If the scum doc, FEARING BEING CAUGHT, forced themselves to protect GiF until they knew the threatening roles were out of the game (radar/fighter), that means that the scum doc would protect GiF in order to protect themselves from being found out until said threatening roles were out of the game.

Ergo, scum doc protected GiF, preventing the scum from nuking him because the doc would've stopped the nuke.

What are the odds that they're being tracked vs. protecting someone they think might get Terrorist killed that night?

I don't get this logic, this is assbackwards

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey mastin?

Fuck you.

And the trend of obscene arrogance you represent.

Claim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cephrir, please request an avoidance of nuclear death if you are town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cephrir, please request an avoidance of nuclear death if you are town.

What would that help? I'd rather have more time to post anything I think might be useful.

UT is nuking Mastin currently. If you flip town, we'll 100% put that nuke through.

Otherwise, if you don't shoot yourself in the head, I'm pushing for UT to recall his nuke.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I figured they ran their kill into me N2 and wouldn't be eager to do it again. Sue me.

What?

you can self target?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cephrir if you are town you need to bullet.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Let's wait on SpyreX to hear who he targeted last night.

NO

SPYREX DO NOT CLAIM THIS

[Lady Lambdadelta]

SURE, FINE, LET'S JUST WAIT 48 HOURS AND SEE THEN -_-.

OR, HEY

WE CAN MAKE THE BEST OF A BUNCH OF SHITTY RUSHED NUKES.

AND CEPHRIR CAN PROVE THAT HE'S TOWN BEFORE UT'S NUKE PASSES THE RECALL PHASE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Though.
VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta.

I think, if I'm going to die.
I want to die voting her.

Do you ever tire of being a fucking moron?

Clearly not.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Just from logic of knowing the people who are unclaimed, I'm pretty sure Keith is Failsafe and MoI is Air Base.

I even teased MoI about it in Defcon 5. Or pregame. One of them.

Which for me, given I know I'm not scum, makes me wonder who might kill MoI.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It is too late and there's too much insanity for the moment.

I can't get one of you guys to look at wagons for me but we go all hog wild out of the gate. For shame

All I asked was that people wait and we consolodate resource and reset and discuss.

But no, playing a game with Mastin means fucking having cancer.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Untrod Tripod
hiplop (though is totally the serial killer)
Cheetory6
Vaxkiller
GreyICE

Nahdia
SpyreX

Cephrir
MagnaofIllusion
Lady Lambdadelta

Updated.
Ceph's still got plenty which makes him look like scum, but there are enough reasons to doubt it that I'm not convinced he's flipping scum anymore. SpyreX moves down, because if LLD is scum as I'm beginning to suspect, his sabotage of my nuke becomes more suspect. Also, Nahdia's being obviously town whereas with SpyreX literally the only reason he's a townread is by gut. I have nothing tangible. His vote record is by my memory a little shitty and his reads a little lurky and his content a little light. It's purely gut keeping him in the null section.

When it's revealed I'm town at the end of this game, if you're town, can you never play mafia again?

This isn't a bet, or anything, because those are illegal, it's just a request.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It is too late and there's too much insanity for the moment.

I can't get one of you guys to look at wagons for me but we go all hog wild out of the gate. For shame

All I asked was that people wait and we consolodate resource and reset and discuss.

But no, playing a game with Mastin means fucking having cancer.

Right and then we had multiple nukes shoot off before we could reset.

I hate the mastin nuke but i really hate cephir not doccing gif

Hindsight being what it is, the fact that Cephrir is infact the Doctor means Mastin's nuke isn't the worst thing that oculd happen.

That being said, I want Cephrir to just own that he made a terrible mistake, needs to die, and swallow the poison pill.

Then we can reset everything a bit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It is too late and there's too much insanity for the moment.

I can't get one of you guys to look at wagons for me but we go all hog wild out of the gate. For shame

All I asked was that people wait and we consolodate resource and reset and discuss.

But no, playing a game with Mastin means fucking having cancer.

Right and then we had multiple nukes shoot off before we could reset.

I hate the mastin nuke but i really hate cephir not doccing gif

Hindsight being what it is, the fact that Cephrir is infact the Doctor means Mastin's nuke isn't the worst thing that oculd happen.

That being said, I want Cephrir to just own that he made a terrible mistake, needs to die, and swallow the poison pill.

Then we can reset everything a bit.

Like that assume Cephrir is town. Because scum Cephrir has no reason to eat a poison pill, so.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I can't believe you're giving me anything less than a ticker tape parade for nuking that

On a personal level, you're getting a medal.

On a game state level, we really fucking needed to reassess after the GiF+Reck deaths.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I made a terrible mistake, but to be honest, I'd probably do it again because I'm a piece of shit. Mastin's nuke without knowing this, was shit, even if she got somewhat lucky.

I might need to die. I want to make absolutely sure that's true before I do it.

It's 100% true. We're not going to tell you if Mastin's nuke was sabotaged or not.

The fact is, if Mastin's nuke was Sabotaged, you're still being nuked by Cheetory or lynched today.

So if you're town you need to save us the resources, save us the time, give us every option and eat the poison pill BEFORE UT's Nuke reaches the point of no return.

So if you wanna give final reads and all that, go ahead, but if you're town it's the right choice to swallow the pill.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, eating the pilll means that the game won't do that thing where there was a huge explosion and then everyone sinks into apathy.

Your death will catalyze.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I can't believe you're giving me anything less than a ticker tape parade for nuking that

On a personal level, you're getting a medal.

On a game state level, we really fucking needed to reassess after the GiF+Reck deaths.

sigh

Should I just recall it?

NO.

Not yet at least.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You people

Just, look at what I'm doing WRT Cephrir and then consider what the outcomes can be.

And then, once you've considered that, understand what it means based on what Cephrir chooses.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If Cephrir swallows the pill, you drive that nuke to the bank on Mastin no force on earth recalls that shit.

If Cephrir refuses, you abort that shit at the last minute.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's your choice, Cephrir. If you take the pill and show us you're town, Mastin dies.

If not, we assume you're scum and Mastin lives.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is the right call, yeah? I think I've got our situation solved?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah

Unless Martina is keyser sozeing us but... that seems pretty unlikely

I mean, I admit I considered it briefly.

But Mastin will die before lylo anyway I think, so...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh good, I can set the alarm again

Ftr i laughed out loud and almost woke the wife up

I think aside from the still very scary they are both town vomitorium yes

If they're both town, there's not a lot that can be done because of their actions. Mastin's insta nuke looks super bad if Ceph is town and Ceph's actions during nihgt can't go without deaht.

So this is the best way.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm trying to think what scum mastin who assumed they were blocked would gain from that fire

If they're both scum, there's an obvious answer to that.

If just Mastin is scum, it's possible she did it in the off case she isn't sabo'd and didn't want her nuke to be controlled or directed.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Double scum Dutch? That scared of the cop?

Did gif leave any crumbs about na that night have got grabbed

GiF clearly stated they were targetting me last night.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Q: Will the fail safe activate on the submarine?
A: Yes.

If GreyICE is Fail Safe, he knows he wasn't targeted by the submarine yesterday, because his failsafe didn't trigger.

Note that the Fail Safe role reads: "When you are targetted" not "when it resolves".

So all this bullshit about how GreyICE is town because of his reactions after thinking he was being nuked are entirely bullshit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GreyICE was a dead man walking when the SK's nuke was flying. He had every reason to believe he was going to die, and there was NOTHING he could do to stop it--the intercept had been used already on Reck, and the SK wasn't going to recall their nuke for any reason. So he knew he was going to die. What did he do? He gave plenty of content and tried to leave some final thoughts for us all. He put in time and effort for some solid, actual analysis. He also has been in general fairly obviously town even outside of that. So while it's not impossible he's scum, it's incredibly improbable.

Just quoting the relevant part of your post for my post, so people don't need to read your idiocy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So yeah, if MoI comes in and claims Air Base like I suspect he will, I want to lynch GreyICE for not claiming that he knew he wasn't being targetted by the sub nuke due to his role.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And if you're going to argue GreyICE, lord of PYP, he who stills tells me the number analysis strategy is valid, didn't know that interaction and excuse that behaviour

I'm going to pull the "I know him better than you no fucking way in hell" card.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Let's call it a "Burden of Proficiency"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mod: how does the failsafe interact with the submarine?
It says in the Q & A that the failsafe will activate off of a submarine shot, but it doesn't say whether it uses the missile silo rules of nuking-the-nuker or the stealth bomb rules of vengekilling.
Furthermore, if the failsafe is activated in a way that the player controlling it is not yet dead (e.g. missile silo), is the player automatically informed it has activated?

Important questions here.

If a Submarine were to NUKE a Failsafe, I would post the Sub Launch and then immediately afterwards the Failsafe would return fire in the next post. So it's a nuke-the-nuker scenario.

I'm not sure what exactly you're asking, but in all situations where a Failsafe is Nuked by

any

aggressor, I will automate the Failsafe returning fire. The only situation where this does not occur is if the Failsafe is Nightkilled, where the Failsafe gains a Vengekill instead of immediate return fire.

Just like I said.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cephrir's sudden absence and refusal to swallow the poison pill is very telling.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm fine waiting for a Terrorist nuke for you and Grey to claim your roles. Your claims do not affect the Cephrir/Mastin scenario.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I love when Mastin goes "both scum are in those 6" and then someone ends up listening to her and we lose because she's wrong.

You want facts, here are some facts:

The submarine remaining in this game is proven to be an SK Submarine.
I was targeted by Reck the night before that submarine successfully killed Papa Zito.
Ergo, despite how the kills work, I still cannot be the serial killer

Take that into consideration, and ask yourself this

Why would I, someone who is now confirmed to not be the serial killer, beg to be investigated by GiF as "Russian/Not Russian" for literally 3 days.
Since day 1, when GiF claimed, I've asked to be investigated. Why? Because my role is scummy as shit and I've laid out all that logic..
You cannot argue I' gambittting that GiF won't investigate me, because why would I ever take that risk? It makes no sense

So basically, we need to look at the people who are DESPERATE for me to die today or tomorrow by lynch. Those are the scum. The scum have only a limited pool of potential mislynches remaining and I'm one of them.

This argument that I'm setting up an endgame is bullcrap.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ALSO FUCK THIS

VOTE: GREYICE

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GREYICE ALMOST CERTIANLY HAS THE FAILSAFE.
THAT MEANS GREYICE KNEW HE WASN'T BEING NUKED BY THE SUB THAT DAY.
THAT MEANS GREYICE LET US BELIEVE HE WAS GOING TO DIE AND SOAKED UP THE TOWNIE LAST MOMENTS STUFF

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But LLD.
You've seen the role distribution.
If all of the other people who have nukes are town, that means that I assuredly am confirmed scum.
Sorry.
GI lynch must wait for my lynch.

You know there's a way to rectify that right?

If if IS the Failsafe... nuke him.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

There's also your extremely lackluster play. You've been doing lots of lurking. You've not really been doing much in the way of scumhunting. Your main contribution to this game was nuking Accountant. On D1 you made a bunch of safe votes: Early Vaxkiller. Early UT. Parked in Not Voting. Vaxkiller when there was no chance of getting a wagon there. On D2 you went for Nukebringer when there was no chance of a wagon there. The only time you voted yesterday was early on McMenno. That's nothing condemning, but it sure's not a glowing review.

You've made halfhearted pushes the whole game, with no conviction behind your actions. Sure, you told us Nukebringer was scum. But you didn't try to really convince us. You just let the wagon on SAD happen, for instance. And have done nothing but coast, cruise, on the townreads that people have garnered on you since then.

Is that damning?
Hell no.

It's enough where of the six, though, you remain one of the main candidates. You're not THE main candidate to me--GreyICE, LLD, and SpyreX each individually hold more reason to be scum. Yet you don't sound town. You haven't been town. So you're in the suspect pool.

If you don't like it: lynch scum. Or, fuck, you have a nuke. Nuke scum. Town it up. Give content. Prove you're not scum. What you're giving now will never cut it in the endgame. I might not be around there to push. Others will be.

Mastin.

I cannot be SK.

And I've been asking to be investigated since day 1.

How exactly am I scum?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why would I, someone who is now confirmed to not be the serial killer, beg to be investigated by GiF as "Russian/Not Russian" for literally 3 days.
Since day 1, when GiF claimed, I've asked to be investigated. Why? Because my role is scummy as shit and I've laid out all that logic..
You cannot argue I' gambittting that GiF won't investigate me, because why would I ever take that risk? It makes no sense

This argument is awful. You beg to be investigated and it makes you town?

UH YEAH.

IT REALLY DOES.

ESPECIALLY WHEN I SPECIFY WHICH TYPE OF INVESTIGATION I WANT PERFORMED ON ME

AND OH WOW WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT, IT TURNS OUT TO BE THE ONE THAT WOULD HAVE CLEARED ME OR CAUGHT ME, GIVEN I CANNOT BE SK.

YEP.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

There's also your extremely lackluster play. You've been doing lots of lurking. You've not really been doing much in the way of scumhunting. Your main contribution to this game was nuking Accountant. On D1 you made a bunch of safe votes: Early Vaxkiller. Early UT. Parked in Not Voting. Vaxkiller when there was no chance of getting a wagon there. On D2 you went for Nukebringer when there was no chance of a wagon there. The only time you voted yesterday was early on McMenno. That's nothing condemning, but it sure's not a glowing review.

You've made halfhearted pushes the whole game, with no conviction behind your actions. Sure, you told us Nukebringer was scum. But you didn't try to really convince us. You just let the wagon on SAD happen, for instance. And have done nothing but coast, cruise, on the townreads that people have garnered on you since then.

Is that damning?
Hell no.

It's enough where of the six, though, you remain one of the main candidates. You're not THE main candidate to me--GreyICE, LLD, and SpyreX each individually hold more reason to be scum. Yet you don't sound town. You haven't been town. So you're in the suspect pool.

If you don't like it: lynch scum. Or, fuck, you have a nuke. Nuke scum. Town it up. Give content. Prove you're not scum. What you're giving now will never cut it in the endgame. I might not be around there to push. Others will be.

Mastin.

I cannot be SK.

And I've been asking to be investigated since day 1.

How exactly am I scum?

Well, you're scum if I'm your partner

That's actually a fair argument, and why you've been on my "needs to die" list.

I could ask for those and have you lawyer me as a method of getting around that, so sure. If you're scum I probably need to die.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I love when Mastin goes "both scum are in those 6" and then someone ends up listening to her and we lose because she's wrong.

Okay.

Who's the Russian within Vaxkiller/UT/hiplop/Cephrir?

I'll wait.

...

Yeah. My statement's not wrong. hiplop's the serial killer, sure, we get it, that's old news. He's not a Russian though. The Russians are within the remaining six names. Or from your perspective, five. You say GreyICE is one of them. Who's the other? SpyreX? MoI? Nahdia? Or Cheetory?

For you to be town, that necessitates two of them to be mafia.

Vaxkiller you fucking oblivious moron.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, fucking hell.
Mafia is literally just fucking luck and likeability 90% of the time at fucking best.
And you have this shitty fucking attitude of acting like you know what the fuck you're doing when you clearly don't ever.
I'm so fucking tired man.
So fucking tired.

Mastin and Vax are dying so, praise be

[Lady Lambdadelta]

HIPLOP, WILL YOU PLEASE NUKE VAXKILLER

[Lady Lambdadelta]

When? Was it ever publically discussed or last 3 straight days?

I mean there's a difference between "lul let me ask it'll never happen"

and asking day in and day out to investigate me since day fucking 1

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I cannot be SK. And I've been asking to be investigated since day 1. How exactly am I scum?

You're not surefire scum.
I'm not voting you, either.
You're a scum candidate, however, because ultimately, asking to be investigated--no matter when--is ultimately little more than bravado. Bravado is something you display alignment regardless. Can you honestly deny that? Can you honestly say that you, as scum, wouldn't make a bold move? Be honest. If you tell the truth about yourself, you know the answer.

The move is more pro-town yes. But it's not a move you wouldn't make as scum. You could rely on exactly what happened, for instance--hope that GiF got killed. For instance, if both the mafia AND the SK hit GiF, it wouldn't matter if Ceph had protected him; the kill would go through and the investigation request would be...nothing but a big gambit that you could kill GiF before he could investigate you.

So that's why you could be scum. You could be scum because that strategy isn't some implausible nigh-impossible stretch of logic. It might not quite be strong enough to qualify for probability. It is, however, just enough where I would definitely recognize it as a strong possibility.

There's no way me, as scum, asks to be investigated Day 1. As much as I am big on bravado, I'll also let you in on a little secret.

I'm a survivalist. I have zero faith in my scum teams and I play to be the anchor that carries them if they fucking fail on me.

PYP Mafia.
Summer Mafia
Machina Mafia

It's the same fucking story. I make it to lylo alone and win because I:

1. Never make nightkills until forced
2. Avoid situations where my alignment can be hard determined based on associations, including enticing a cop to look at me closely.
3. Order my teammates to make sometimes questionable kills that have long term benefits.

This has not been the story of this game for me. Not even close.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mastin, shut the fuck up.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cheetory's enough of a ? in my mind that I think him launching a nuke at GreyICE seems plausible.

What do people think?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vaxkiller you fucking oblivious moron.

Vaxkiller's expiration date is near-identical to mine.
He has a nuke heading his way literally right fucking now.

He also was wagoned by basically all the scum, so.

If you think

Spiffeh and Nukebringer wouldn't turbo bus this assfuck into the ground for cred?

YOU WRONG SON

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vaxkiller you fucking oblivious moron.

I'm sure that's attacking the play and not the player.

Thanks for quoting that out of context, I was talking about you, not at you.

Question: Who is scum outside Mastin's list of six?

Answer: Vaxkiller, you fucking oblivious moron.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GREYICE
IS
SCUM
GREYICE
IS
SCUM
GREYICE
IS
SCUM

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's GreyICE and Vaxkiller.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm this close to saying "fuck you MoI, fuck the SK sub" and telling Cheetory to just nuke GI.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah fuck this.

Cheetory, two options.

1) Walk away from the thread for 24 hours
2) Nuke GreyICE and be a cool guy who doesn't look at explosions.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is factional abilities working like that a thing that used to be prevalent? Cause I've never witnessed it myself.

mastina LLD lookin' at you two on this one.

No it's incredibly rare that a game has a mechanic where the kills are performed as a team and not by an individual. Having it be a factional ability and having that ability be able to be used in addition to any other ability is normal, but it's rare that the entire kill is performed without an action provider.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Question: Who is scum outside Mastin's list of six? Answer: Vaxkiller, you fucking oblivious moron.

Humor me.
Assume the Vaxkiller nuke goes through. Assume Vaxkiller is scum.
You're calling GreyICE scum.

Who do you think, if not Vaxkiller, his scumbuddy would be, then?

If Vax is town and Grey is scum?

Not MoI, not SpyreX.

Maybe Nahdia, but unlikely.

You're dead so not counting you.

UT is a possible outlier.

It's Cephrir or Cheetory, I think.