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TheHoldSteady · Post Post #49 (isolation #0) » Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:30 am

In post 33, usesPython wrote:
In post 32, OutWorldER wrote: VOTE: DragonEater70

24 was really bad and I don't see a town motivation to post it.
DE's normally like that, I don't think 24 is alignment indicative

24 also caught my eye on my initial readthrough (though not to the same intensity as Wartortle is making out). But unless you're bold enough to defend your partner's bad page one post on page two, I'll take this as face value.

So, what else? Wartortle scum for continuing to push this narrative even when there's new evidence to work against it?

VOTE: Wartortle

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #50 (isolation #1) » Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:31 am

@Mod: I am declaring V/LA this weekend

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #51 (isolation #2) » Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:37 am

VOTE: UNVOTE

VOTE: OutWorldER

oops. meant to do this.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #53 (isolation #3) » Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:43 am

In post 52, Wartortle wrote:
In post 49, TheHoldSteady wrote:
In post 33, usesPython wrote:
In post 32, OutWorldER wrote: VOTE: DragonEater70

24 was really bad and I don't see a town motivation to post it.
DE's normally like that, I don't think 24 is alignment indicative
24 also caught my eye on my initial readthrough (though not to the same intensity as Wartortle is making out). But unless you're bold enough to defend your partner's bad page one post on page two, I'll take this as face value.

So, what else? Wartortle scum for continuing to push this narrative even when there's new evidence to work against it?

VOTE: Wartortle
in what universe am i pushing the narrative that DE is scum for 24???

no universe. i made the dumb mistake of confusing you and outworld in my head lmao.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #54 (isolation #4) » Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:49 am

Wartortle are you an alt or do you come from a different site? you come across as much more experienced than your post count would indicate.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #58 (isolation #5) » Fri Oct 27, 2023 4:47 am

In post 55, Wartortle wrote:
In post 54, TheHoldSteady wrote: Wartortle are you an alt or do you come from a different site? you come across as much more experienced than your post count would indicate.
i played a bit on epicmafia and mafia.gg in 2020/2021. i'm p sure i had an account here in 2021 and signed up for a newbie but idk my account name anymore

Interesting

48 made me think you were an alt because it sounded like you had meta on DE.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #70 (isolation #6) » Fri Oct 27, 2023 5:54 am

In post 66, Wartortle wrote:
In post 49, TheHoldSteady wrote: So, what else? Outworlder scum for continuing to push this narrative even when there's new evidence to work against it?
this does not make sense.

in 32 OWER calls dragon scum for self-consciousness

in 33, python says that's normal for town dragon

in 34, OWER can't find town dragon doing something similarly self-conscious

then, THS says that OWER is scum because OWER in 34 would have dropped his bad line of reasoning instead of elaborating and looking at dragon's past game

this is a bad argument.
i do not find python's evidence in 33 convincing enough to make OWER's 34 seem idiotic or scummy, and i do not like how THS tries to frame 33 as completely convincingly refuting OWER's case on dragon.

ehh maybe it is ,,, but i don't even expect a good argument from myself on page 3 anyways. just generating content at this stage. re-reading to double check a meta is a good observation

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #92 (isolation #7) » Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:08 am

In post 82, Wartortle wrote: either wizzler is super new to mafia and genuinely has thought processes like this as town, or wizzy is new but not
super
new to mafia and tries to badly pocket affrayed like this as scum

Wiz is actually pretty good (at least as town). The one game I played with him he correctly nailed a scum that I had incorrectly read as town.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #116 (isolation #8) » Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:14 pm

In post 99, DragonEater70 wrote: Having skimmed your ISO that game, I feel you are a lot slimier here than in that game

It's probably partially confbias, but I think it warrants a vote and we'll see how this develops.

VOTE: Smiley

I haven't found Smiley too difficult to read and I feel like he sorts himself fairly easily if you give his slot time. So far, I think he's been more attentive to details in a way that's more consistent with his town game than his scum game.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #164 (isolation #9) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:45 am

In post 153, BlackStar wrote:
In post 148, DragonEater70 wrote: I'm not sure :/

Smiley and THS I was scumreading at some point as well as OWER, but none of these are as strong right now as they were.

I think I want to see more posts from all three of them honestly.

Why are you scumreading these two?

Pedit: I don't really agree Naerys :/
The posts THS made asking Wartortle if he had previous experience felt kind of pointless to me. One of Watortle’s first posts was him mentioning that he was used to shorter days, so I didn’t get why THS was asking if he’d played before after that. It just seemed like fluff posting to me

The only post he’s made so far where he took a stance on something was when he brought up the perspective that OutworldER was scummy.

Smileydude just gives me a weird vibe so far

I was just waiting in the wings for a scum to hop on my bandwagon fot a dumb af reason and here it is.

Again, I'm VLA until Monday

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #168 (isolation #10) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:09 am

In post 165, OutWorldER wrote: "Hop on the bandwagon"? BlackStar doesn't even have a vote down as of right now (which admittedly bothers me despite him having SR's on two people both of which he could reasonably place a vote down on). Incredibly defensive, my confidence in a THS vote only increases.

I've been accused of being scum in almost every town game I've played on here and my scum games, nobody suspected me. You can't read me brah, but I'm tired of explaining these dumb reasons away. Of course I didn't mean hop on the bandwagon in a literal way. I meant it as a euphemism. What next dumb reasons do you want to bring up?

VOTE: THS

Go ahead, do it. Idc

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #192 (isolation #11) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:51 am

UNVOTE: THS

So far I have little to no confidence in this town

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #252 (isolation #12) » Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:49 am

I started going through the list of ISOs in alphabetical order to see if anything sticks out.

Annie I don't really feel too strongly about either way. Which is...different? When we were town together last time I felt him as town pretty quickly.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #253 (isolation #13) » Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:05 am

I looked again at Annie's town ISO in 2311 and his ISO here and I felt like his ISO in 2311 was layered with moments of town-spewing train of thought that I'm not picking up on here. And also wasn't afraid there to "bash heads" with another player if he thought they were making a play he found subpar. I'm not discounting him as scum here.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #254 (isolation #14) » Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:15 am

I'm not feeling too strongly opiniated on anything thus far. Smiley is probably town, though. Guess its still early and we'll see what develops.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #255 (isolation #15) » Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:15 am

VOTE: Enchant

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #256 (isolation #16) » Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:17 am

In post 156, AnimatedWiz wrote: I’m not opposed to y’all pressuring them to get us more info.

Ya'll? Why don't you pressure me yourself? You definitely seem more hesitant this game to step on any toes.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #260 (isolation #17) » Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:41 am

In post 259, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 255, TheHoldSteady wrote: VOTE: Enchant
That's a weird vote after you make a pretty convincing case on Ani.

I just want to drag this slot out of the burrows a little more.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #261 (isolation #18) » Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:47 am

I feel like Enchant becomes easier to read the more they talk so I'm alright voting them a bit to get them going.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #265 (isolation #19) » Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:57 am

In post 262, AnimatedWiz wrote:
In post 256, TheHoldSteady wrote:
In post 156, AnimatedWiz wrote: I’m not opposed to y’all pressuring them to get us more info.
Ya'll? Why don't you pressure me yourself? You definitely seem more hesitant this game to step on any toes.
In the same paragraph that quote is taken from, I state that I don’t think you’re scummy then—I’m fine with them pressuring you if it helps them figure you out and focus on someone with a better case against them. Why vote someone back to E-2 if I have several other scumreads ahead of them.

Plus, I would say spending like 10 posts in a row debating with DragonEater about how I think him and Wartortle are scummy isn’t being hesitant to step on toes, nor is sharing a theory about Naerys sheeping multiple people.

ahh, i'll look at your debate with dragoneater more closely when i have time. as for the theory about naerys, it seemed like you went out of your way in 248 to soften the impact as soon as someone showed signs of disagreement rather than defending it, which again feels like a subtle attempt to avoid conflict

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #271 (isolation #20) » Sun Oct 29, 2023 10:48 am

In post 259, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 255, TheHoldSteady wrote: VOTE: Enchant
That's a weird vote after you make a pretty convincing case on Ani.

You've gone back and forth through this thread on whether you think I'm town or scum without making as firm a stance as everyone else and honestly, with this post it makes me worried you're still fence-sitting while also nudging me in a dour direction towards voting Wiz.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #275 (isolation #21) » Sun Oct 29, 2023 11:00 am

Black Star is probably town

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #357 (isolation #22) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:52 am

In post 351, usesPython wrote:
In post 336, Wartortle wrote:
In post 309, DragonEater70 wrote: Just for the record, this is the post I typed out earlier (before I fell asleep):

VOTE: Wiz

I just don't see anything towny about him. I'm not saying the slot *screams* "scum", but I feel I could towncase literally everyone in this game except Wiz, Enchant and Hu Tao. And Hu Tao has made 2 posts. And Enchant is Enchant.

i think de is scum trying to push a vulnerable slot for bad reasons
DE's towntell is that as scum he can't case for shit, we were hoping to let him cook for longer

Yeah his exit is going to throw me off here.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #366 (isolation #23) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:14 am

In post 365, Wartortle wrote: i think we should leave wiz alive and drag him to the finish line

Why

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #370 (isolation #24) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:24 am

Yeah I haven't agreed with like, any of Naerys' reads. I reread some posts from you on the first few pages, thought they sounded town. Then I saw that Naerys also had a scum read on you.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #401 (isolation #25) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:23 am

VOTE: TheStatusQuo

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #402 (isolation #26) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:26 am

Enchant says its Smiley, I think it could be Annie, DE thought it was Annie, Black thinks it was DE, I don't think its Wartortle, Status and Annie say its Wartortle, Wartortle says it's not Annie. Who is wrong here and who is leading us off the track?

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #404 (isolation #27) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:27 am

There's too many scumreads out there for the amount of scum there are.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #405 (isolation #28) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:28 am

I can't see myself voting Wartortle today. I don't think coming in from ten minute live mafia and having to adjust to forum but still having know how is that farfetched. Plus, townreading Annie here isn't a good play for him to make if he's scum.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #412 (isolation #29) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:40 am

In post 406, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 405, TheHoldSteady wrote: I can't see myself voting Wartortle today. I don't think coming in from ten minute live mafia and having to adjust to forum but still having know how is that farfetched. Plus, townreading Annie here isn't a good play for him to make if he's scum.
ok but I also just said I thought annie was townie so you seem to be lacking a little internal consistency in your thoughts here.

More suspicion on Annie directly benefits scum Wartortle because Annie is pushing on Wartortle. So, suffice to say I don't think if Wartortle was scum here he'd be reading Annie as town.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #423 (isolation #30) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:20 am

In post 419, OutWorldER wrote:
In post 401, TheHoldSteady wrote: VOTE: TheStatusQuo

In post 402, TheHoldSteady wrote: Enchant says its Smiley, I think it could be Annie, DE thought it was Annie, Black thinks it was DE, I don't think its Wartortle, Status and Annie say its Wartortle, Wartortle says it's not Annie. Who is wrong here and who is leading us off the track?

In post 404, TheHoldSteady wrote: There's too many scumreads out there for the amount of scum there are.
HoldSteady proclaims that someone is leading town astray

That is misrepresentation of what I said. I did not "proclaim someone is leading town astray." I simply hypothesized that either scum is influencing the wagons, or alternatively, someone here is simply town but incorrect.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #424 (isolation #31) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:26 am

In post 422, Black wrote: I agree with OWER that 402 and 404 feel kinda performative in a scummy way

No it wasn't.

[VOTR]Black[/VOTE]

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #425 (isolation #32) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:26 am

VOTE: Black

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #426 (isolation #33) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:31 am

Outworld might be a town fool but I expect you to know better

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #430 (isolation #34) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:36 am

In post 429, Black wrote:
In post 192, TheHoldSteady wrote: UNVOTE: THS

So far I have little to no confidence in this town

In post 402, TheHoldSteady wrote: Enchant says its Smiley, I think it could be Annie, DE thought it was Annie, Black thinks it was DE, I don't think its Wartortle, Status and Annie say its Wartortle, Wartortle says it's not Annie. Who is wrong here and who is leading us off the track?
Like these posts feel weird considering you're impulse voting yourself and others. If you are actually town here then I think you are part of the problem tbh

I'm impulse voting others because I'm confused. There's a bunch of reads out there but I don't know who is right and who is wrong.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #433 (isolation #35) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:49 am

In post 432, Black wrote: Hmmm. A quick skim over Steady's scum game here and I'm not seeing many similarities. I'm not going to rule out the possibility of Steady!scum based on a meta read but his play here seems less involved and thoughtful, like maybe he's more of a tryhard as scum? Would like to read a town game of his next

I probably shouldn't be like this, but I'm pissy about being misread because in 1092 I had generally accurate reads but couldn't get enough grip on the game state because people wouldn't stop calling me scum

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #434 (isolation #36) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:49 am

UNVOTE: Black

I don't know what I'm doing anymore. THS regroup.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #476 (isolation #37) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 4:53 am

VOTE: Roden

I'll case this in more detail when I have more time, but in general there's just quite a few oddities in DEs ISO that are adding up for me. I'd prefer this lim over Wartortle today.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #540 (isolation #38) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:49 am

In post 529, Hu Tao wrote: Steady can you explain why wiz is town

I'm null at best on Wiz, except for the person I think was scum was pushing for his lim.

Speaking of which can we please get a prod on Roden?

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #562 (isolation #39) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 10:28 am

In post 552, OutWorldER wrote: UNVOTE:

Think I trust Black's meta read on THS since I'm usually quite bad at reading impulsive players like that and I'm curious on the Roden slot case.

quote=Naerys post_id=13973015 post_num=551 time=1698954158 user_id=33598]
I dislike the way he says he SR me. My view of him has not really changed. Could be buddy of either Hu Tao or Roden.

You have expressed multiple SR's on various people throughout the pages but your vote hasn't changed since page 3 in 69. What is your read on THS? Why are you still voting him over the other people you've expressed an SR about?
[/quote]

I'm not impulsive player

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #657 (isolation #40) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:57 am

In post 44, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 32, OutWorldER wrote: 24 was really bad and I don't see a town motivation to post it.
Oh, you are new to playing with me aren't you?

The motivation was that I knew that some smartass will come along and say "oh Dragon doesn't have original reads and is just sheeping Wiz", and I wanted to counteract that preemptively.

In post 65, DragonEater70 wrote: Arrrgh fine

VOTE: THS

He's probably town but I'm supposed to be openwolfing so voting for people who are probably town is good for keeping a wolfy image.

In post 76, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 67, Wartortle wrote:
In post 64, DragonEater70 wrote: Tortle, walk me through these votes
i saw 59 and it failed the vibe check so i voted OWER

i then went back to THS' case and realized that it sucked
Yeah I had the same thought process lol.

In post 78, DragonEater70 wrote: Reads or something:

Above null
Wiz
Tortle
DarkStar
Python
NULL LINE - Everyone else
OWER
THS
Below null

I also have a huge desire to pocket Naerys so I'm going to say she's town for now as well.

In post 311, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 271, TheHoldSteady wrote:
In post 259, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 255, TheHoldSteady wrote: VOTE: Enchant
That's a weird vote after you make a pretty convincing case on Ani.
You've gone back and forth through this thread on whether you think I'm town or scum without making as firm a stance as everyone else and honestly, with this post it makes me worried you're still fence-sitting while also nudging me in a dour direction towards voting Wiz.
I disagree, I've been pretty consistently townreading you and only voted you once because you went down to null and I was seeping Tortle. Literally every other time I was townreading you.

I really don't like DE70's progression on my slot. I feel like he was coasting a bit, claiming to townread me but also leaving room to vote me if the suspicion on my slot didn't lift. It feels opportunistic.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #659 (isolation #41) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 4:02 am

In post 259, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 255, TheHoldSteady wrote: VOTE: Enchant
That's a weird vote after you make a pretty convincing case on Ani.

This also feels subtly manipulative? Like he was really trying to push this Wiz lim so hard. I have a feeling either Wiz or DE70/Roden is scum here.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #776 (isolation #42) » Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:58 am

Well, let's see if you all were right or not to completely ignore my feedback

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #868 (isolation #43) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:10 am

Enchant is starting to seem more like his town self to me. Meanwhile, I thought Status's push on Wartortle was the drizzling shits. That's where my vote is going.

VOTE: TheStatusQuo

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #870 (isolation #44) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:18 am

In post 840, Black wrote: So Enchant is the Naerys partner

Enchant feels kinda annoyed and frustrated here compared to how frivolous he was D1. I would probably feel this way too if my kill didn't go through

GGEZ

You say Enchant is the one who feels annoyed and frustrated but Enchant wasn't the one who raged at another player and called them brainless.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #871 (isolation #45) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:19 am

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Status is town and Enchant is scum

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #872 (isolation #46) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:20 am

I looked at the past two pages again and Enchant's jesting is awkward, I mean it usually is but its like its covering up nervousness

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #874 (isolation #47) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:21 am

In post 824, Black wrote:
In post 823, Naerys wrote: VOTE: Black
Positioning? WTF?
You are the one who goaded me into voting, which i unfortunately fell for
I mean you said it was the best course of action so it sounds like you would have voted there anyway? I don't see how that makes me scummy fypov

Are you going to make a case against me or is this all you have?

This feels subtly defensive

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #876 (isolation #48) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:22 am

In post 873, Enchant wrote: We live in society where insults are thrown by town. For mafia it considered bad taste.

I agree

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #878 (isolation #49) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:25 am

Status's day one was really, really bad

but they seem town thus far here

dunno what to make of it

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #882 (isolation #50) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:31 am

In post 880, Black wrote:
In post 868, TheHoldSteady wrote: Enchant is starting to seem more like his town self to me. Meanwhile, I thought Status's push on Wartortle was the drizzling shits. That's where my vote is going.

VOTE: TheStatusQuo

In post 871, TheHoldSteady wrote: Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Status is town and Enchant is scum
I don't really like this progression

Why not?

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #884 (isolation #51) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:33 am

I don't know what you mean by hedginess

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #886 (isolation #52) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:35 am

In post 881, Black wrote:
In post 878, TheHoldSteady wrote: Status's day one was really, really bad

but they seem town thus far here

dunno what to make of it
Why do you think Shea seem town here?

850 demonstrates restraint in a way I'd expect to come from town, not scum. I think it shows a townie mindset to step back from your anger and see someone as town.

873 I agree

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #887 (isolation #53) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:37 am

Enchant seems awkward but I did read 864 as town

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #894 (isolation #54) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:55 am

WorldER, usesPython, SmileyDude1 one is probably scum

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #898 (isolation #55) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:59 am

Quick hammering day one is a play I would never make as scum because it's naturally going to bring negative attention to myself. Same with placing at e-1. So look in the middle of the bandwagon where your scum vote is not as likely to draw attention and you're more likely to find a scum.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #991 (isolation #56) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:28 pm

Black Star is definitely not scum

TheHoldSteady · Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:49 pm

Nareys is probably not scum

TheHoldSteady · Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:52 pm

932 seems like a TMI frustrated scum post

TheHoldSteady · Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:55 pm

In post 32, OutWorldER wrote: VOTE: DragonEater70

24 was really bad and I don't see a town motivation to post it.

Ballsy to make this post so early if Roden and Outworld are the team

TheHoldSteady · Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:56 pm

Where I'm leaning now is probably Roden + Python or Smiley or Black + Python, Smiley, or Outworld? Then I dunno who the third scum would be yet.

TheHoldSteady · Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:57 pm

In post 541, Naerys wrote:
In post 528, Hu Tao wrote: I've learned the less I talk the less i get scumread.
Does it actually work ._.

Nareys has a few posts in their ISO like this one id just be surprised to see a scum male

TheHoldSteady · Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:58 pm

scum make

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:26 am

You're bad at mafia.

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:28 am

You just can't read for shit. "herr you just went through some votes and picked Roden" I was telling you to fucking lim Roden yesterday.

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:29 am

In post 1076, Naerys wrote:
In post 1075, TheHoldSteady wrote: You're bad at mafia.
Quite possible.
Nobody can be right every time.

In your case you're wrong every single time.

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:30 am

You suspected Roden two days in a row? Howdy eowy so inconsistent!!!!111

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:54 am

I apologize Naerys. I had a rough day at work and probably shouldn't be checking this thread right now.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1092 (isolation #68) » Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:23 pm

In post 1030, Naerys wrote:
In post 1029, Black wrote:
In post 1028, Naerys wrote: I am not scum. Feel free to look at my other games to get a feel how town!me looks.
Can you go into this a little? I'm curious to hear what you think the difference is between your town and scum games
The fact i have never rolled as a scum. Ever. So i cant really say how i would look like a scum. As a town i am trying to solve. I am poking to people trying to get some reactions from them. I am trying to think about scum motivations and reasons. I prefer solving so as long as i can avoid rolling as scum, the better.

That's kind of crazy considering your account turns 4 in a few days, not gonna lie.

In post 1031, usesPython wrote:
In post 1023, TheHoldSteady wrote: 932 seems like a TMI frustrated scum post

In post 1025, TheHoldSteady wrote: Where I'm leaning now is probably Roden + Python or Smiley or Black + Python, Smiley, or Outworld? Then I dunno who the third scum would be yet.
It's hard to take these posts seriously when they're put together side by side like this

Elaborate?

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1093 (isolation #69) » Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:24 pm

In post 1033, usesPython wrote: I feel like THS could be scum coasting on wagonomics and extended OMGUS but I don't actually have a compelling case there and it's not that strong of a read

In post 1047, Black wrote: I don't think I want to fade Naerys today. Annie is locktown

Smiley is someone that I townread every time he posts, but his posts are so infrequent that the trust is a little weak

I still think Steady is probably town but I don't have a strong read here either way

Python's posts feel good for the most part but they're closer to null than townread. I feel this way about Shea too

Hu, Enchant, and BlackStar are all in my "meh" category. I can't really figure these slots out

I'm most comfortable with an OWER or Roden fade

I feel the same way about Smiley. I townread him early on but the lack of activity has made me fall back into a null read.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1096 (isolation #70) » Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:31 pm

In post 1039, usesPython wrote:
In post 1025, TheHoldSteady wrote: Where I'm leaning now is probably Roden + Python or Smiley or Black + Python, Smiley, or Outworld? Then I dunno who the third scum would be yet.
Why is Black/Roden SvT?

I actually agree with Black that Roden is scum.

927, 946, and 950 make me fear like she could be scum trying to aggressively pursue a mis lim.

It's theoretically possible that its TvT. But I'm picturing more scenarios in my head where one is scum

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1097 (isolation #71) » Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:32 pm

there's three possibilities with that argument, i'm leaning towards the first one but not discounting one of the other two

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1099 (isolation #72) » Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:33 pm

In post 1090, usesPython wrote: Gonna policy the next person to AtE btw

you can be upset that i'm the third person to get mad about being voted but the fact of the matter is, i think i've been rather consistent and i just don't think nareys reason for voting me holds weight.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1102 (isolation #73) » Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:48 pm

In post 1101, usesPython wrote:
In post 1099, TheHoldSteady wrote:
In post 1090, usesPython wrote: Gonna policy the next person to AtE btw
you can be upset that i'm the third person to get mad about being voted but the fact of the matter is, i think i've been rather consistent and i just don't think nareys reason for voting me holds weight.
Do you think Naerys is town?

i already said there are posts here that would be surprising to come from scum (especially an inexperienced one) so yes

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1103 (isolation #74) » Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:48 pm

(inexperienced by her own admission, i'm not trying to be mean)

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1163 (isolation #75) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:15 am

Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1164 (isolation #76) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:16 am

Sing a new song...I'm still establishing reads on the three people in the center of the bandwagon (and considering the fact that Black was on it too, and doesn't seem like the type of player who would be afraid to lead a bandwagon as scum)...its not as basic thought process as you're making it out to be.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1169 (isolation #77) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:21 am

In post 1166, usesPython wrote:
In post 1163, TheHoldSteady wrote: Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics
We should policy the next person to do VCA

I'm a firm believer in VCA

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1174 (isolation #78) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:25 am

In post 1172, usesPython wrote:
In post 1169, TheHoldSteady wrote:
In post 1166, usesPython wrote:
In post 1163, TheHoldSteady wrote: Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics Wagonomics
We should policy the next person to do VCA
I'm a firm believer in VCA
Don't tempt me

I'll take the sacrifice for my cause.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1175 (isolation #79) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:26 am

In post 1173, AnimatedWiz wrote: Python, I fear y’all are going to have a lot of policy votes if you keep adding more conditions on.

Why do you care?

TheHoldSteady · Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:19 am

VOTE: Black feels manipulative.

TheHoldSteady · Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:20 am

In post 1296, Black wrote: Don't worry Shea, I'm only going to push you if OWER flips red. If you're confident in your TR then you have nothing to worry about

I don't think town says things like this. It's too premeditated

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1359 (isolation #82) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:49 am

In post 1332, usesPython wrote: Kinda have this gut feeling that this is a losing gamestate. All the fights feel TvT and every time we push on the lurkers they give decent responses but there's also 0 town cohesion and half the playerlist is off doing their own thing

So how about everyone gives a lim pool of three and we'll consolidate from there?

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1364 (isolation #83) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:25 am

My three lim candidates are Black, Roden, and Hu Tao. I'd prefer one of the first two, but I can't read someone who is barely posting and I'm willing to compromise on Hu Tao

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1420 (isolation #84) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:54 am

In post 1417, AnimatedWiz wrote: Also, do we all want to like… take a step away? I feel like we might all benefit from just relaxing and not thinking about the game for 24 hours—as much as I’d like for us all to win, I’d rather not win a hollow victory like this.

This game is supposed to be really fun together, but it feels like I’m one of the only people having fun.

Honestly my motivation soiled after my feedback went ignored day one and someone was limmed who I think was very town.

I apologize for the AtE, again. I don't know what else you want me to say about it. It was wrong.

Hu Taos doctor claim is...wtf?

Wagonomics is saying Outworld will flip scum here.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1421 (isolation #85) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:59 am

In post 1379, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1209, OutWorldER wrote:
In post 1200, Black wrote: I actually kinda like that solve from Wartortle
I'm not a fan of a solve that has Hu Tao in it tbh I think my legacy read from D1 there still fits, nothing that Hu Tao has posted since has swayed me otherwise.
I'm weary of people who defend me when I've literally done nothing.

I have a feeling Hu Tao will flip town and Outworld ia trying to make themselves look more townie by staying off the bandwagon. This type of inactive, agendaless slot that Hu Tao is occupying rarely flips scum in my experience.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1422 (isolation #86) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:00 am

The doctor claim is ???????? though

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1423 (isolation #87) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:00 am

Hu Tao please explain your motivation behind that claim

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1426 (isolation #88) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:40 am

Oh if I was her partner I wouldn't make it that apparent to your eyes, believe me. I just want an answer to the motivation behind that claim, and then well, maybe I'll still vote.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1427 (isolation #89) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:40 am

In post 1425, usesPython wrote: THS rn has that slimy "Oh shit my partner did something dumb" playing both sides vibe going on where he "has" to react to the doctor claim but also doesn't really wanna have that be the focus of the thread while trying to pull back to the OWER lim

I'm making the doctor claim the focus of the thread because I'm not resting until Hu Tao answers

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1428 (isolation #90) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:50 am

In post 1426, TheHoldSteady wrote: Oh if I was her partner I wouldn't make it that apparent to your eyes, believe me. I just want an answer to the motivation behind that claim, and then well, maybe I'll still vote.

What I mean by this is I'm better at scum than town and as scum I'd try to be cognisant to not myself away as a partner to the scum on a chopping block. As town idc. I'm not partnered with Hu Tao and the thought never crossed my mind. I just want to explore all angles of this before I fully commit.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1429 (isolation #91) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 6:16 am

I don't want my presence in games to be a toxic experience for people. I'm going to try to do better

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1465 (isolation #92) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:36 am

VOTE: OutworldER

I don't like everything I've seen from Black, but with the Macho watcher claim I feel like we can afford to leave her alone for today. I townread Smiley and Python right now. POE on Wartortle's bandwagon yesterday is telling me that its Outworld

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1467 (isolation #93) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:41 am

I haven't forgotten about the doctor claim, don't worry.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1468 (isolation #94) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:42 am

Why do you want me to suspect Hu Tao so badly?

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1470 (isolation #95) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:45 am

Hu Tao you have 24 hours to explain why you claimed Doctor or else I'm voting you and not switching.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1472 (isolation #96) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:47 am

In post 1471, usesPython wrote:
In post 1468, TheHoldSteady wrote: Why do you want me to suspect Hu Tao so badly?
Don't twist our words, we're calling you out for doing the scum thing you said you wouldn't be doing

That's what you're saying, but what it really feels like is you're indirectly pressuring me to vote Hu Tao.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1488 (isolation #97) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:54 pm

She retracted before the cc

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1540 (isolation #98) » Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:25 am

VOTE: Hu Tao

The defense is too on the nose for me. Sorry.

TheHoldSteady · Post Post #1544 (isolation #99) » Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:33 am

In post 1543, AnimatedWiz wrote:
In post 1540, TheHoldSteady wrote: VOTE: Hu Tao

The defense is too on the nose for me. Sorry.
What do you mean by this? This idiom always confuses me.

It seemed...too convenient. Agreeing with me that Outworld is scum and that's why she wants to vote him and claiming "to get reactions". I just didn't get town vibes from it at all. Like you said, hopefully it's right.

TheHoldSteady · Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:49 am

I don't know. Town fake claimed Doctor in this very same game day one. It's not the gotcha Python and Roden are making it out to be.

TheHoldSteady · Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:58 am

My memory is terrible. I was thinking of Wartortle's claim as cop.

TheHoldSteady · Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:33 am

I think it's time I claim so we can figure out what's going on here.

I'm a Jack of All Trades: one shot vig, one shot tracker, one shot doctor.

Night one I tried to kill TSQ, last night I tried to track OutworldER. Neither night my actions went through.

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 15, 2023 2:17 am

SmileyDude1 is basically clear to me

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 15, 2023 2:27 am

I didn't use my doctor save either night yet two nights in a row the scum were unable to kill anyone.

Jailkeeper is the only claim here that could've realistically resulted in two deathless nights. So I'm going to choose to believe it.

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:42 am

VOTE: UsesPython

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:14 am

Does anyone else think its weird scum would try to target a one-shot bulletproof after their first kill failed? I would've either killed watcher or tried to kill the person I thought was the protective role. Also, I think Python was leading us on yesterday when it came to limming Hu Tao. I think that Python led the scum kill last night but got caught by jailkeeper.

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:23 am

ngl i briefly considered using my doc save on you but my role states i can only use one action and i didn't trust you as much after hu tao flipped town.

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:27 am

question: does bulletproof on this website get notified when they get hit or no?

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:29 am

In post 1715, usesPython wrote:
In post 1711, TheHoldSteady wrote: Also, I think Python was leading us on yesterday when it came to limming Hu Tao.
Hu Tao literally fakeclaimed Doctor after a no kill and then retracted, you even literally hammered them

i just don't think it was that damning. black had a very good argument why the fakeclaim wasn't scum and it basically went ignored. i hammered but only because his defense sounded fake. you were pressuring me to vote even before a defense was made which i find scummy.

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:32 am

Also, why is Black still alive?

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:55 am

In post 1724, usesPython wrote:
In post 1719, TheHoldSteady wrote: you were pressuring me to vote even before a defense was made which i find scummy.
We were scumreading you and did some premature preflip, I don't think we were pressuring you to vote Hu Tao though?

You know I'd gotten very upset at being voted so I don't see how you could think calling me slimy for not voting could not be seen as pressure.

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:00 pm

In post 1802, SmileyDude1 wrote:
In post 1801, SmileyDude1 wrote: -SNIP-
Out of usesPython/Blackstar, I feel like usesPython are more likely to be town here. Looking back at yesterday, I struggle to see scum in usesPython's position electing to commit a BP claim in order to power through a Hu Tao Mislim there (Keep in mind they fullclaimed after Hu Tao retracted the doctor claim. If they were trying to save OWER they could've just pushed Hu Tao's retraction without claiming anything there). I also am skeptical of the idea that a team with scum!Python on it has Python perform the kill given the slot was a major contributor to pushing the mislim through and thus might be more likely to draw the eye of town power roles (would say i'm more confident on this second point then the first one).
-SNIP-
Would like some additional input on this though. You guys seeing what I see here?

Let me ask you this: at the end of gamestate yesterday, would you have considered Python to be a deep scum? Or at the very least, a slot with little suspicion on them? Because that's the best argument, at least thinking more mechanically, that Python would be town; deeper scum generally don't put themselves out there to be found by town PRs. I tracked Outworld specifically because they were closer to being eliminated and thus were more likely to show up on pr reports.

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:12 pm

In post 1803, BlackStar wrote: I'm town and your claim of jailkeeper seems legit. If we can also believe in Black's results from N2, then it seems like the only 2 possible answers for why there was no kill last night are either

a) Python is scum

or

b) The scum team chose not to kill anyone to make us lim whoever got jailed.

It seems unlikely that they would choose to go a second night without getting a kill, so option A has to be the asnwer.

Why am I not a possibility for scum FYPOV?

TheHoldSteady · Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:24 am

In post 1810, SmileyDude1 wrote:
In post 1807, TheHoldSteady wrote:
In post 1802, SmileyDude1 wrote:
In post 1801, SmileyDude1 wrote: -SNIP-
Out of usesPython/Blackstar, I feel like usesPython are more likely to be town here. Looking back at yesterday, I struggle to see scum in usesPython's position electing to commit a BP claim in order to power through a Hu Tao Mislim there (Keep in mind they fullclaimed after Hu Tao retracted the doctor claim. If they were trying to save OWER they could've just pushed Hu Tao's retraction without claiming anything there). I also am skeptical of the idea that a team with scum!Python on it has Python perform the kill given the slot was a major contributor to pushing the mislim through and thus might be more likely to draw the eye of town power roles (would say i'm more confident on this second point then the first one).
-SNIP-
Would like some additional input on this though. You guys seeing what I see here?
Let me ask you this: at the end of gamestate yesterday, would you have considered Python to be a deep scum? Or at the very least, a slot with little suspicion on them? Because that's the best argument, at least thinking more mechanically, that Python would be town; deeper scum generally don't put themselves out there to be found by town PRs. I tracked Outworld specifically because they were closer to being eliminated and thus were more likely to show up on pr reports.
I would say that Python matched that description before the end of yesterday yes. It's weird, because in my view Python was probs one of the less suspected players before the Hu Tao push, though I think the green flip likely would've resulted in the slot being more suspected. If I had to postulate, i'd say they felt like they're somewhere in the middle in regards to suspicion.

Question for you? If we were to assume Scum!Python, who would you say the partners are right now? Depending on the composition of the scum team a hypothetical scum!Python might've been scum's best chance to endgame going into night 2 (or at least be an alternative option in case the "endgamer" of the group falters) and i'm not sure scum risks having them perform the kill in that case when there's reason to believe that power roles could be on them.

Let me just say I don't think Python is partnered with either Outworld or Blackstar. So two others besides them.

TheHoldSteady · Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:50 am

They wouldn't need to bus, honestly. Just keep pushing the mislims and have town keep hopping along. They pushed mislims the past two days, so clearly if they're scum, its working.

TheHoldSteady · Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:32 pm

tbh there's probably a roleblocker so with this mislim we lose our clear

TheHoldSteady · Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:45 pm

In post 1958, Black wrote: If BlackStar flips town I think I'll be somewhat confident in Python/Annie/x

I don't like the way Annie is pushing for a Roden lim despite admitting that there's probably only two explanations for the lack of NK (python!scum or BS!scum)

It feels like he knows BS will flip town and he's trying to not be on the BS wagon with his scumbuddy(s)

I also think if I'm right about scum thinking they could misfade me if they keep me alive, Annie's behavior towards me fits the bill. He's casted doubt on my claim and moved me down a tier today

So yeah, if BS flips town then we can fade a red python, and then fade a red Annie after. If BS flips wolf then Python is locktown obviously and we can figure out what to make of Annie then

I agree

TheHoldSteady · Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:18 pm

In post 1985, SmileyDude1 wrote: Will say that i'm still in the camp of scum!Blackstar here.

For me it comes down to the scenario I think is more likely to have caused the blocked kill. I generally feel skeptical that a scum!Python commits the kill for mafia after drawing a lot of attention to themselves with the Hu Tao push at the end of previous day. Comparatively I feel like Blackstar, was more of an under the radar slot that was generally viewed positively by the player base at the end of day 2, and thus I can more easily see a scum!Blackstar performing the kill due to lower odds of being caught out by PRS. Utmost apologies to you Blackstar if i'm wrong here, but i'm going with my gut.

My main worry that's preventing my immediate vote is chancing the day ending while conversation seems to be going on. Conversation seems to be winding down so I'll probably bring Blackstar to E-1 or hammer after I get off of work tomorrow, unless there are any additional loose ends that need to be tied up before hand.

idk i think we're all putting too much stock in who submitted the kill

its equally likely that scum python submits the kill to protect a partner, either because they were afraid of the heat on their slot after the hu tao push or because there are partners with more valuable powers

do you think python is genuinely playing to town wincon? how do you actually read the hu tao push?

TheHoldSteady · Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:23 pm

I've been null to town on Roden for a while, honestly just not sending too strong of an agenda from them

TheHoldSteady · Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:36 pm

In post 1983, AnimatedWiz wrote:
In post 1976, TheHoldSteady wrote: tbh there's probably a roleblocker so with this mislim we lose our clear
What do you mean?

Smiley is.locktown to me because of making sense of the lack of night kills, but if we mislim a town bodyguard I can't protect him, I'd be the last protective role and id just get blocked again

Not that we should stake everything on that, it is what it is

TheHoldSteady · Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:50 am

I'll do a close reread either tonight or tomorrow night and make a decision

TheHoldSteady · Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:21 am

Enchant can flip king of England and I wouldn't be surprised. He's a complete wildcard for me.

TheHoldSteady · Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:42 am

In post 2009, usesPython wrote: Can the people voting outside the 1f1 stop being useless

How would you say that your reads have differentiated from each other? You all have seemed to be pretty much on the same page.

TheHoldSteady · Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:13 am

VOTE: AnimatedWiz

That vote was God awful. Annie needs to go today

TheHoldSteady · Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:27 am

God, do you really think pairing me with Python makes any fucking sense? I tried steering the lim towards them all damn day. Blackstar was a townread for me.

TheHoldSteady · Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:29 am

I think we just lose. Town has just not done well at all, with three incorrect lims in a row. I'm going to play to win no matter how dire it gets, though.

TheHoldSteady · Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:31 am

In post 2061, SmileyDude1 wrote:
In post 2054, TheHoldSteady wrote: VOTE: AnimatedWiz

That vote was God awful. Annie needs to go today
Over Python, Why?

I've played with town Annie. This isn't his town game. Like, at all. In fact, I think he just voted within hours of day start because he's waiting for his partners to log on and hammered.

TheHoldSteady · Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:36 am

Yep. Game over. Enchant/Annie/??? scum. Terrible performance from town tbh.

TheHoldSteady · Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:41 am

In post 2071, Roden wrote:
In post 2069, TheHoldSteady wrote: Yep. Game over. Enchant/Annie/??? scum. Terrible performance from town tbh.
Where's Python?

I'm not their keeper

TheHoldSteady · Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:44 am

In post 2052, usesPython wrote: Our job here is done

I hope this was a scum claim

TheHoldSteady · Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:47 am

In post 2075, Roden wrote:
In post 2073, TheHoldSteady wrote:
In post 2071, Roden wrote:
In post 2069, TheHoldSteady wrote: Yep. Game over. Enchant/Annie/??? scum. Terrible performance from town tbh.
Where's Python?
I'm not their keeper
Do you not think Python is scum?

I was convinced of it but I'm being paranoid and second guessing it now.

TheHoldSteady · Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:49 am

In post 2079, Roden wrote:
In post 2065, TheHoldSteady wrote: I think we just lose. Town has just not done well at all, with three incorrect lims in a row. I'm going to play to win no matter how dire it gets, though.
Didn't you try to self-lim as a JOAT...?

Did I try to self-lim or did I take an educated risk to make myself look more like a VT knowing I wasn't going to be limmed for voting myself for a little while.

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:01 pm

I can't even begin to wrap my head around that kill.

I used my doc save on you last night.

My PoE is telling me that Enchant and Annie are the other two scum.

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:02 pm

In post 2100, SmileyDude1 wrote: Actually now that I think about it, the WIFOM behind THS's doc shot could be why scum didn't target me.

Yea, the potential of the roleblocker being an X-shot is partly why I waited a night to use my save. But also, partly because I was frustrated about the Blackstar lim.

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:09 pm

In post 2104, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 2102, TheHoldSteady wrote:
In post 2100, SmileyDude1 wrote: Actually now that I think about it, the WIFOM behind THS's doc shot could be why scum didn't target me.
Yea, the potential of the roleblocker being an X-shot is partly why I waited a night to use my save. But also, partly because I was frustrated about the Blackstar lim.
Am I missing something, what role blocker?

My night two track attempt didn't go through and nobody claimed responsibility, so I'm just assuming the presence of a scum roleblocker based off of that

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:13 pm

In post 2103, Enchant wrote:
In post 2101, TheHoldSteady wrote: I used my doc save on you last night.

That's why mafia "killed" someone else.

VOTE: THS

You know we had a lot riding on whether our bodyguard lived and so I don't see why you'd think I'd push to lim a scum partner who hardly anyone suspected until I said something. Plus, if you reread how Python talked to me around the end of day two, I think you'd also find it sounds more like scum pressuring town that SvS (which is one of the main reasons I had started to suspect them).

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:23 pm

In post 1335, AnimatedWiz wrote:
Town
: SmileyDude1, usesPython, TheHoldSteady

Townlean
:
Black
,
BlackStar
, Naerys

Null
: Enchant

Scumlean
:
Thestatusquo
, OutWorldER

Scum
:
Hu Tao
, Roden

these reads aged poorly

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:25 pm

i think annie's reads + the incredibly sketchy switch to limming blackstar at the last second makes him my leading candidate for scum. annie explain your progression on blackstar please?

TheHoldSteady · Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:31 pm

In post 2110, Enchant wrote:
In post 2106, TheHoldSteady wrote:
In post 2103, Enchant wrote:
In post 2101, TheHoldSteady wrote: I used my doc save on you last night.

That's why mafia "killed" someone else.

VOTE: THS
You know we had a lot riding on whether our bodyguard lived and so I don't see why you'd think I'd push to lim a scum partner who hardly anyone suspected until I said something. Plus, if you reread how Python talked to me around the end of day two, I think you'd also find it sounds more like scum pressuring town that SvS (which is one of the main reasons I had started to suspect them).
I don't care.

and I don't think you're town. I think that when you're town despite being a jester you do have some common sense initiative and I'm not seeing here.

TheHoldSteady · Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:21 am

Happy Thanskgiving to all Americans in this game.

TheHoldSteady · Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:21 am

In post 2126, OutWorldER wrote: Oh wait, Smiley asked for it.

I still think that's bad but uh, okay.

maybe you're right

TheHoldSteady · Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:22 am

In post 2127, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 2105, TheHoldSteady wrote:
In post 2104, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 2102, TheHoldSteady wrote:
In post 2100, SmileyDude1 wrote: Actually now that I think about it, the WIFOM behind THS's doc shot could be why scum didn't target me.
Yea, the potential of the roleblocker being an X-shot is partly why I waited a night to use my save. But also, partly because I was frustrated about the Blackstar lim.
Am I missing something, what role blocker?
My night two track attempt didn't go through and nobody claimed responsibility, so I'm just assuming the presence of a scum roleblocker based off of that
This doesn't make sense to me, or at least your thought about it feels somewhat incomplete.

If smiley is indeed town and you are indeed town and scum has a role blocker why would they not just rb you and kill smiley?

that's the mystery and i don't have the answer

TheHoldSteady · Thu Nov 23, 2023 6:53 am

In post 2143, Naerys wrote: Yeah, this Enchant feels town.

i disagree. town enchant is actually pretty sharp and repeatedly voting town isn't it

TheHoldSteady · Thu Nov 23, 2023 6:57 am

In post 2146, Enchant wrote: Don't try to use burden of proficency on me, i am worst player on this site.

you were the only player in that one game who pieced together that FL was scum, you can't fool me by extending your jester routine where it best suits you. if you're town, use your head. if i had my way, python would've gotten limmed day 2 instead of blackstar and town wouldn't have lost two prs. that doesn't benefit me as scum.

TheHoldSteady · Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:47 am

Oh lol you all mislimmed me

This town has played so poorly

TheHoldSteady · Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:48 am

Annie is 1000 percent scum ftr

TheHoldSteady · Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:49 am

The last one is probably Enchant but I wouldn't be surprised out Outworld or Naerys

TheHoldSteady · Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:49 am

Good luck turning this around, you're gonna need it

TheHoldSteady · Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:50 am

In post 2178, OutWorldER wrote:
In post 2174, Naerys wrote: Hmm. If THS flips green then Enchant should go. But idk, this seems to be rather bold move for scum.
Why Enchant? I feel like his logic here is sound regardless of THS's alignment.

It's not

TheHoldSteady · Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:51 am

Because, my interactions with Python made no sense for me to be scum and to ignore that males the logic very much unsound

TheHoldSteady · Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:59 am

In post 2185, Enchant wrote: I don't care about your interactions.

Well if you're town that's why you're on route for losing this game js

TheHoldSteady · Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:01 am

Just look at the town bandwagons, there have been players who have been in there or more town bandwagons and you've ignored them in exchange for a bad mech read, which led to you limming a town.

TheHoldSteady · Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:02 am

In post 2188, Enchant wrote: Also if we lose we lose, still better than complaining that town sucks.

It's not without cause. We're on track for losing. Turn it around or don't.

TheHoldSteady · Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:02 am

Its not personal.

TheHoldSteady · Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:08 am

You play well and win or you don't and lose, right? I don't think town has played well and there has to be a comeback or its over. I'm not trying to be mean, I think you all are more than capable of doing it.

TheHoldSteady · Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:09 am

In post 2192, Enchant wrote: Cause or not, town always sucks. Naturally i rarely see town eliming all scum in a row without fails. If anything, we have two stopped kills somehow.

No, specifically to this game, there have been four town lims now and only one scum lim from a scum who resigned and didn't defend.

TheHoldSteady · Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:21 am

How do you know Black was the target the night I got role blocked? Nobody died that night.