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Nope, it's something done on another site where I play
First poster usually posts
First person on the list must be scum, vote that person
Well I'm first on the list so I changed it around. But by all means vote me, rvs is stupid anywayBeck =/= The band
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subgenius wrote:Beck wrote:
You are better player than this, I'm disappointed in you subs
Have we played together?
This is my 2nd game on site so no but if you have been playing here since 2008, so I'm taking an assumption you are a good playerBeck =/= The band
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I disagree about the statement that town wouldn't joke about that cause they don't want to cast suspicion on themselves.
There is plenty of reasons to make a comment like that as town, if you can't think of any fair enough, but i sure can.Beck =/= The band
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Captain Spoon wrote:Beck wrote:
There is plenty of reasons to make a comment like that as town, if you can't think of any fair enough, but i sure can.
so you had planned to do it?
I was fortunate enough to be the the first poster so I used the thing that we use at the other site.
I typically don't plan out my thoughts before I post but I'm not afraid to speak my mind so if I say something that seems scummy, I'll deal with it.
But that being said, the reactions it generated will prove to be useful.Beck =/= The band
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Expand? Ok the reactions to my comment will be useful as the game progresses. Right now it's still a tad early to get a firm read but I have people I'm watching.
P. Edit @ subs, if that's true than yeah I made a horrible assumption.Beck =/= The band
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Acronach wrote:Captain Spoon wrote:Acronach wrote:you should really have more to say than that. Opinion on beck's pots for example.
still trying to get a read on him. hes a noob, so it mayve been an innocent mistake, although #28 makes me suspect he came here from EM.
@Beck the "other site" you were referring to please?
@confid holding my vote is scummy... why? pretty sure that post was a reaction test, but not 100%. please explain the logic behind voting me.
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YankCane151 wrote:As I said, it was weird and anti-town, and it feels to me he was/is trying to get lynched. I won't vote on that alone, but it's something to watch.
why do you interpret it as an attempt to get lynched and not an attempt at humor
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rblinker123 wrote:UNVOTE: Ivan the Pleasant
I’m not sure about the suspicion on Yank yet. I don’t see much suspicion at the moment on yank, he wasnt the only one to have suspicion on Beck. He had suspicion, his 'at the same time' quote, seemed to me more as a precaution as I to felt it was a bit early to be jumping onto beck as we had to be careful so I didn’t see much wrong about it.
Also Ivan, you said 'we aren't in to your unwarranted attempt to defend someone in rvs' to yank. I think his defence on Beck was valid, as although it was early and in rvs there was some serious votes against Beck so I’m not certain on Yank suspicions.
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I personally don't like anything captain has been saying, he seems to be flailing a little bit.
The fact that it was pretty obvious RVS ended as soon as people reacted to my comment, he later claims it hadn't ended.
I also disagree about your comment about there not being a reason to not vote as town, I also don't like how you bring in these names of other mafia players to add credibility to that statement, because there is no way we can actually ask these people if they agree with that logic.
If you honestly believe that statement, you best find a game where these guys were town and essentially said it, right now I read it as a statement you are throwing out there to seem towny
Captain, your vote on Arco seems to make no sense at the moment but I do want to hear from him, right now i'm looking at this as a possible bussing attempt but we will see how the game progresses.
I also like the point that somebody made (can't remember who) that the jester comment definitely could have come from scum who knew I wasn't scum, and if that is the case that is one of the accidental benefits from making a statement like I did.
final note, Captain, people don't need votes on them to scum slip, there are other ways to get people to scum slip, there are other ways to scum hunt, just cause somebody isn't voting it doesn't mean they are automatically anti-town
you seem to be trying to hard to look like you are town by pointing all these things out that people at town should be doing.
Vote Captain
oh and just a note for the mod
MOD- I personally think all hydras need to out who their heads are, it's bad enough to be playing with ore than one, keeping it a secret just makes it worse
i'm running errands with the kids today, hopefully will be on later
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@ ice in response to your attempt to clarify a point i made about spoon and rvs, spoon's exact words were
[quote=]It's RVS and there is nothing more useless than an unused vote. You don't need a solid scumread yet. In fact, not voting is anti-town.[/quote]
He was talking to acro but he does say it is RVS, which in ny opinion ended right when Ivan said his vote was serious. Once soneone claims their vote is serious, rvs is over.
Re-reading spoon again, I still like him for scum
I don't like people who make lists of who is town/null/scum also, but that was a personal preference
I still don't like Yank for the reason greymarble pointed out but I need to re-read everything that has been posted. It won't be tonight, I'm off to bed.
Greymarble needs to participate more, his only contribution has been 1 post, although it was a pretty dead on balls accurate one, it's not enough to get people to follow him on a yank wagon.Beck =/= The band
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ok I am reading back, and honestly the best lead we have right now is YankCane, I don't like the fact that he got 3 votes and than it stalled, and than 2 different people got 3 votes each on them after that (using my own VC, which could be off). It seems that Yank is the person that should be pressured right now, not Ivan and definitely not Acro.
Unvote, Vote: YankCane
that comment he made about my comment, as described by grey's one and only post is 100% accurate in my opinion. Why would somebody jump right to saying that a person is a jester and not just call them scum like everyone else did. This is a slip in my opinion, he knows I am not scum but I have done something that the rest of town thinks is so scummy, he really didn't know how to respond.
This would go with the statement I said earlier that scum doesn't need votes on them to scumslip, there are plenty of other ways to draw slips out.Beck =/= The band
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Ivan the Pleasant wrote:unvote
vote yank
NOW this vote is serious
yank wrote: It may be the Sam Adams talking, but what Beck said was really weird and anti-town. At the same time, the lynch almost seems too obvious, a jester perhaps?
I've never seen a scummier post on page 1
- you call himreallyweird and anti-town
- you qualify it with an "at the same time", which is scummy in general, especially during rvs
- your "at the same time" makes no sense and sounds nervous as shit
- you are more interested in sounding evenhanded than in generating information.
no way this is coming from town
Do you still feel this way? If so, why are you not voting him?
It seems like once people started voting for him, you tried to distance from him.
Since this you have voted arco(easy target) and subs (makes no sense)
I almost never, ever get a town read on somebody day 1, thinking back to all my games I have ever played, I'm so skeptical of everyone, I can honestly say subs is the worst day 1 lynch when we have so obviously scummy in yank. His reaction to the presssure has been flailing.
Side note, once this game is over I'm suggesting that 1 hydra per game rule be implemented. 1 is bad enough but I think we have 3 this game, crazy insane to follow.Beck =/= The band
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Ivan the Pleasant wrote:
This is where you vote Sleepykrew, and it implies the same thing. Your argument requires achro to be scum therefore you should be voting achro if you actually believe what you're saying. You aren't, therefore you don't.
Let me explain something about mafia, which anyone who has played more than 1 game should already know
If you suspect Player A and Player B to be scum, and Player B is defending Player A by calling him a VI and whatever else, you don't prove your theory by lynching player A, because player A could actually be town. You lynch Player B because he is the one actually defending somebody and you would learn more from his flip than you would from a flip of Player A
but this is all irrelevant, you need to go back to your 2nd serious vote of the game and vote Yank. We can argue over the Sleepy/Arco/subs love triangle day 2Beck =/= The band
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Acronach wrote:...this is fucked up.
gonna take some time to think about what could be going on as far as the sleepy defense thing. i'll post tomorrow. if you want to see what he was directly referring to with the VI thing read this game from d3 on.
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Ivan the Pleasant wrote:This is counter productive. Calling Achro a VI is making him pissed off and preventing rational discussion from taking place. Continue your argument about sleepykrew, but you don't need to insult people. When he's pissed off his play will be altered as evidenced by Captain Picard telling people to fuck off. That causes him to play with two goals in mind. 1) his win condition, and 2) defending his honor or some shit like that. If he has two goals in mind it will be more difficult to determine his alignment.
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Da Koolzzy wrote:
Beck seems to me to be trying to sit back and enjoy the show. He has contributed some though, and his lighthearted tone seems way to risky for a mafia or third party. I think he's probably town that needs to buckle down.
It's more of I am trying to not get confused by all these hydras posting from the hydra account and their real account, and this incredibly stupid love triangle of SK, Acro, and Subs
It was also the weekend and my time online was limited.
I have already said the best bet for town today is a Yank lynch.
Ivan said yank did something completely scummy and yet he isn't voting for him, instead he is voting for subs for the fact that he is voting SK instead of Acro.
this makes absolutely no sense to me.
I stand by my statement that Yank is the one deserving of pressure, and the Acro wagon seems like a counter wagon to distract from Yank.
Yank has done nothing useful
Yank is too concerned with how people think of him
Yank has fos'd 2 people (iirc) that have voted or FOS'd him first
plus his comment about me being a jester, instead of being scum is pretty damning as grey pointed out
I sure wish grey would post more, this pisses me off because his 1 and only post is going unnoticed cause he is not here.Beck =/= The band
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@ sub, I need to throw Ivan in there now also since he kind of joined in the discussion
Right now based on gut reads, I think your posting makes more sense.
Based on experience, I honestly think the odds that one of acro and SK is scum, in all honestly I can't imagine both are but the way they sort of are defending each other makes no sense. SK is defending arco by saying he is a vi, arco is trying to show why SK is calling him a vi.
Arco comes off as the more innocent of the 2 because if somebody was defending a player, and that person was being attacked because of it, I could easily see a naive person defending him back.
Now I'm skeptical by nature, also been screwed over too many times in mafia games. The defense by SK doesn't make sense. I would never defend a person that I thought was a VI, in fact I'd probably try to get the VI lynched (as much as I hate policy lynches, I have sub conciously done this before)
This is why SK is on my list and I'd be fine with his lynch
Ivan, I'm being cautious of, him being a hydra(I think he is anyway) I have a harder time reading cause each head has their own opinion, I don't like him voting you subs because you are making much more sense than SK or Acro is ATM
I'm not ruling anyone out as 100% town right now but subs is clearly not the day 1 lynch.
It's Yank or SK
Yank because Ivan has not really mentioned yank since his earlier fos, and has tried to distance himself from that wagon.
I really hate lining up lynches, I try not to but if yank were to flip scum, Ivan would move to the top of my suspect list
If yank flipped town, well I would really be confused especially about Ivan.Beck =/= The band
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@ acro
Is this a question directed at subs to answer or is it rhetorical?
"not completely useless. if im town and SK is maf, why would he defend me? if SK is town and im maf, why would i defend him? using this logic, it's extremely unlikely that we have opposing alignments. not impossable, but unlikely. "
I have my own opinion on this but not sure if you were looking for a specific response from him. I'll let him respond regardless.Beck =/= The band
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YankCane151 wrote:It may be the Sam Adams talking, but what Beck said was really weird and anti-town. At the same time, the lynch almost seems too obvious, a jester perhaps?
the best way to explain why this comment is so bad is to summarize grey's post
TRANSLATION:
'BECK IS WEIRD AND ANTITOWN BUT I KNOW HE'S NOT SCUM. MUST BE A THIRD PARTY???'
with just 2 votes on him, Yank makes this comment
And to clarify, Yes, I think there is scum on the bandwagon that's forming on me right now. Until I see an actual case against me, I'm just seeing opportunistic scum buddies here.
seems to be a bit flaily to me, 2 votes isn't a wagon at all and to declare that scum is on his 2 person wagon, seems kind of ridiculous IMO.
Yank decides he doesn't like Ivan enough to return the favor and votes him back,
Ice decides to vote Yank, making the tally 3 (greymarble votes on page 2) and right after that vote, yank follows up with
Sigh. Well, not everyone on my bandwagon is opportunistic scum. I at least hoped the townies would be rational, but no one is seeing the writing on the wall. Can we at least get some discussion in so you guys don't go into day 2 still not wanting to lynch IVP or sub?
I read this statement as, Ice is town, also who was the opportustic scum anyway? none of the votes for him were done so in an opportunistic manner and he mentions nobody seeing the writing on the wall, but reading his ISO, he hasn't really explained a good reason to remove the votes from him.
this comment
At this point I'm just a little frazzled emotion-wise that IVP Has managed to create a bandwagon as a scum on me and actually go somewhere with it. I don't even want to be lynched, but if that's what it takes to realize he's opportunistic scum, then we probably don't have much hope as town anyways.
To me really makes me think that Yank is probably newbish when it comes to being mafia OR has never encountered a bus, the first time my mafia partner bussed me, I reacted almost exactly the same way when I was bussed for the first time, because I wasn't expecting it nor had I ever experienced it before. For a bus to work properly, it can't be planned. It has to be an ambush, if Ivan had stayed on yank for the remainder of Day 1, I probably would not have even had to keep my eye on him, but the fact that Ivan hoops off Yank's wagon because the other head finds Arco scummier.
why does the other head find Arco scummier?
Bah. Well, there goes that idea.
unvote vote Acronach
Your posts so far have been devoid of content.
Not putting a vote out is almost always antitown, especially in early D1.
And if you're the type of self-righteous/thickheaded/airheaded prick who refuses to vote without "good evidence" out of some misplaced notion of caution or integrity, you have to make up for the lost content by pressuring people in other ways, such as with questions.
It's really not brain surgery, unless you're scum.
And even then, it's a fairly standard procedure.
Do something.
Ivan later follows up with this clarification
Remember that there are two of us. We have separate suspicions and gut reactions. Currently I am questioning Yank while the other head is questioning Acronach.
but since that clarification, Ivan has not once mentioned Yank and when i questioned Ivan about his earlier suspicons of Yank, he posts something un-related and hasn't posted anything since.
Ivan is definitly on my suspect list, I think the 2 heads talked in their QT and decided this bus has gone on long enough, which is why they switched their vote to Arco. He got voted by Ivan on page 6, for not providing content, when acro had not posted anything since the middle of page 2, Ivan's vote on Acro, just happened to be the 4th vote.
These are rhetorical, but if Ivan wants to answer it, feel free.
Why vote for somebody for their lack of content when they haven't even made a post since the 2nd page and is unaware their wagon has now grown to 3 people. Why do you leave a wagon(yank wagon) where you are making really really good points about based on actual scum hunting, and leave it to be the 4th vote on a wagon that makes no sense? (perfect example of opportunistic scum that yank was trying to point out earlier)
I am fine with an Ivan lynch really I am, but Yank is the most guilty person here, I think Ivan's other head realized this bus attempt was going wrong or he didn't agree with it, so they decided to shift focus to somebody else.
The lynch that will teach us the most in my opinion is Yank, given the fact that as of right now he has the most votes on him, I see no reason why we just don't go through with this lynch.Beck =/= The band
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SleepyKrew wrote:Everyone is treating GreyMarble's post like the word of God.
It looks like a misrep to me.
But I need to look for something. If I don't find it, I'll vote Yank.
It's not just that post though, tbh yank never even addresses it, he stays focuses on Ivan.
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SleepyKrew wrote:You sure he never responded to it? I'll believe you.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Yank
Quite honestly, we'll learn a lot from this flip either way.
Re-reading, he does comment on it being a mis-rep but it's mixed in a and kind if hard to spot it, I did just notice it but he really doesn't get distracted by it and stays on the Ivan trail.Beck =/= The band
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YankCane151 wrote:Again, I don't see what was so explicit about Ivan's case. It wasn't clarified to me until #36, before then it was just IVP And sub being suspicious of me for word choice. I don't even know if Greymarble's is a joke or not, but if not then that's the most incorrect interpretation I've ever seen. But hey, worse comes to worse and IVP, sub and Grey are leading the mislynch bandwagon and they die the following days, whatever it takes to win, I just don't see how they have actual cases past #36(which I defended myself against, but lo and behold, Marble ignored that post completely.)
This is the post where he mentions it.
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SleepyKrew wrote:Captain Spoon wrote:that's the worst backpeddaling I've ever seen
"this lynch isn't going to work. Let's go spoon"
Confirm vote: SK
I was voting you before Yank. I don't want to lynch Yank now. Back to you.
How did you go from "we will learn alot from this flip either way" with a vote on yank
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SleepyKrew wrote:Captain Spoon wrote:that's the worst backpeddaling I've ever seen
"this lynch isn't going to work. Let's go spoon"
Confirm vote: SK
I was voting you before Yank. I don't want to lynch Yank now. Back to you.
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Captain Spoon wrote:Beck wrote: if im town and SK is maf, why would he defend me?
buddying and whit-knighting are great reasons why SK would defend you
we still think Sleepy is scum and we have very strong town reads in ICE, beck and (to a lesser extent) subgenius
more reads later (maybe)
Missed this
1. I was quoting acro, just didn't use the quote tag cause I was on my phone
2. The original question from acro was directed at Subs, why did you answer it
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Captain Spoon wrote:Beck wrote:
1. I was quoting acro, just didn't use the quote tag cause I was on my phone
2. The original question from acro was directed at Subs, why did you answer it
For him?
because that part of the post appealed to me and I felt I could answer it and explain SK's true motives
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But that's why I asked acro if his question was rhetorical and said I was going to wait til subs responded, I had not even posted my opinions yet.
I was going to wait and see what subs had to say, you know, give his own perspective.Beck =/= The band
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Acronach wrote:4 hydras? wtf? lol
would be kinda funny though to see a 7 or 8 person hydra sometime XD
Actually It may only be 3, I thought there was another but can't recall
Ivan
Spoon
Grey
Any others?
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Tommy wrote:Beck wrote:The original question from acro was directed at Subs, why did you answer it For him?
Captain Spoon wrote:because that part of the post appealed to me and I felt I could answer it and explain SK's true motives
Beck wrote:Why would you be trying to explain the motives of another player?
This is a damn good question. Points to Beck. A related question is, what makes you think you know what SleepyKrew's 'true motives' are?
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Captain Spoon wrote:because we think he's scum and scum tend to buddy
we wanted to bring up that possibility. We can't rely on other to bring up what our theories are
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Da Koolzzy wrote:If he's not gonna claim heads, he's not gonna claim heads. Shut up and deal with it, there is no rule that says he has to just because you demand it. If you don't want to play with hidden hydras, find another game.
that isn't what I am waiting for, nice to pay attention.
I have asked him a multiple question relating to the game at hand, 1 is a mandatory and the others I said was optional.
he has made 2 posts since my original question and he hasn't responded, so before you come in here and act like you know what the fuck you are talking about, I suggest you just sit back and continue reading the thread and eventually you will get to the questions I asked.Beck =/= The band
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To help ivan find it easier, here is the first question I asked him - He needs to answer this the best way he can. http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p3163303
here are the others
These are rhetorical, but if Ivan wants to answer it, feel free.
Why vote for somebody for their lack of content when they haven't even made a post since the 2nd page and is unaware their wagon has now grown to 3 people.
Why do you leave a wagon(yank wagon) where you are making really really good points about based on actual scum hunting, and leave it to be the 4th vote on a wagon that makes no sense? (perfect example of opportunistic scum that yank was trying to point out earlier)Beck =/= The band
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Da Koolzzy wrote:If he's not gonna claim heads, he's not gonna claim heads. Shut up and deal with it, there is no rule that says he has to just because you demand it. If you don't want to play with hidden hydras, find another game.
And I have been trying to discuss things with my other head before coming to any strong stance on anything. This has been going very slowly, so I voted CS for his fail. Also, note that that was a list of skimreads and gutreads, and I know better than to vote based on that. I have been rereading and gathering more evidence, since I have more time now than I did early on. Attacks will be coming soon, I guarantee it.
and reading my ISO, I really love how you of all called me out for sitting back watching the show when you have done nothing note worthy all game except replace yourself with a hydra of you and somebody else.Beck =/= The band
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Da Koolzzy wrote:Okay, guys. You NEVER EVER answer questions directed at someone else, or try to explain their reasoning! The questions were directed at them for a reason, and if you give the 'right' answer, scum could just say 'what he said' instead of the flawed response they would have given, outing them as scum. Hence, you NEVER EVER ANSWER QUESTIONS DIRECTED AT SOMEONE ELSE!
VOTE: Captain Spoon
And yeah, this is a hydra, led by The Kool.
btw is this your only reason for voting spoon? Because as much as I hate the fact he has done this, this isn't enough of a reason to lynch somebody as I have seen town players do this before, even I have been guilty of doing this.
I await your catch-up posts and I hope you will see that Yank is most deserving of a lynch for day 1.
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and this ladies and gentelman is where the plot thickens, it's obvious that the Ivan who posted on this page is archaebob, can I get an agreement on that?
if yes, than archaebob/ivan has said if it was up to him, his vote would be on Yank this entire time
Ivan the Pleasant wrote:
I, for one, disagree vehemently with the subgenius vote that was made by the other head. If it were up to me, we would have been on Yank this entire time, which is what I thought we were doing...
if you agreed that Ivan/archae made the above content, than how do you explain this?
archaebob wrote:unvote vote Acronach
Your posts so far have been devoid of content.
Not putting a vote out is almost always antitown, especially in early D1.
And if you're the type of self-righteous/thickheaded/airheaded prick whorefusesto vote without "good evidence" out of some misplaced notion of caution or integrity, you have to make up for the lost content by pressuring people in other ways, such as with questions.
It's really not brain surgery, unless you're scum.
And even then, it's a fairly standard procedure.
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Reading through iso of SK a few things stand out
1. I don't like his first post where he asks for a vc for fear of doing something stupid, not sure why but it rubs me the wrong way
2. Later he says I'm a good lynch(more on this later) adds in Ivan to that list too
3. Declares somebody a VI and defends acro, I don't understand how anyone can defend a person if you don't know their allignment. If Arco is scum and SK is town, SK Has been defending scum. That is why defending people makes no sense. If arco truly is a VI, they typically ruin games so again, why defend him.
4. Pushing on spoon but I really don't see why, I can't find a good case that SK has made
5. He blindly follows my info, without even checking if I was right or not, yet earlier he says I'm a good lynch. Why would he blindly follow me?
General question to be answered by anyone
Why would somebody who is town, blindly follow anyone?
Isn't that sheeping?
Sheeping is a scum tell still right?
I swear to me, Ivan, SK, and Yank look like scum.Beck =/= The band
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I'm not buying it Ivan
The same head that voted for yank earlier this page is the same one who unvoted yank earlier and switched to acro
It's plain as day because of your log on problems.
So you basically just contradicted yourself in a huge way
I also ask that from this point on, each head needs to somehow identify who is posting, use something that doesn't expose who you are, that's fine but your hydra has been the most confusing one.
vote Ivan
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Ivan the Pleasant wrote:Well I don't know what the hell Archaebob is thinking, but if it makes you feel better voting Achro was my idea. I think he was probably under the impression that I would change it shortly afterwards.
Archae voted acro first under his real account
He later logs on as Ivan and reposts the same thing.
Earlier this page
Ivan votes yank, and 10 minutes later arche unvoted saying he wants to talk to his other head
Archebob switched to acro on his own
Archebob later says (under the Ivan account) he never wanted to take his vote off yank
Unless you can somehow convince me that exchange that took place in an 11 minute period earlier this page was both of you (highly unlikely since you share a QT and the posts clearly read as 1 person in the same train of thought
Archaebob hascontradictedlied about his intentions with his votes.
The fact that you whoever you are have now said you have not read the thread doesn't make your spot less scummy.
Archaebob has been caught, and I can't possibly see how either of you can spin it into a pro-town behavior.Beck =/= The band
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Tommy wrote:Beck wrote:@ Tommy, how in the hell is Ivan not on your scum list?
I don't follow your argument. It looks to me as though one of the heads wants to vote for YankCane and the other one wants to vote for subgenius. Obviously the schizophrenia is somewhat impairing Ivan's ability to play, but it doesn't seem that scummy to me. Could you clarify where you think the lie was and lay out the evidence that it was a lie?
The same head made both comments
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archaebob wrote:Not bothering to log in as Ivan for this one.
@ Beck -
There is no contradiction, dog. Pay attention to what I am saying. I said specifically that the Acro vote was designed to pressure him into posting more content.
Your entire point revolves around the fact that I said I wanted to stay on Yank the "whole time" which is not what I actually did. If you have half a brain, you'll see that there are far more plausible explanations for the "contradiction" than that I was lying. Why the fuck would Ilieabout that? Frankly, I forgot I had voted Acro at all, it was a pressure vote to get him to post more content, and it was early in the game. None of that conflicts with the real purpose of my earlier comment on this page, which was to express my disagreement with the subgenius vote, and that Yank has been my top suspect throughout this whole time. You are insisting on taking an absolute interpretation of a comment I made and twisting it into a contradiction, like so many other noobs who play this game.
And this is the last time I'm addressing this issue.
1. Please post from Ivan, mod has already commented on it once
2. You were making very good valid points on yank, to drop that and focus on somebody who isn't posting, is not town motivated.
You(Ivan slot) had a strong read on yank, yank had the desired bad reaction. You were on to something. If you are scum hunting you don't abandon it. Look what happened since you switched
Yank has now gone silent
Yank's wagon has stalled
Nobody else can get a decent wagon going
The decision to switch from yank was a horrible one, and I dont care what you say arche, you lied
You switched the vote off yank and you said if it was up to you, you would have been on yank this whole time.
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