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1) Why would I want to go to a smelly restroom?
2) Is there another reason why I did not use a key to open another door?
3) If you are assuming scum have to go to room 7 for the killing weapon, why not assume scum know which room has the weapons in it already and suspect KMD?
4) The first question is rhetorical.-
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Honestly I just wanted the rope to jump with, lol. The other rooms had nothing in it, smelled awful, or was completely dark. The room I went into was more interesting. Besides, wouldn't I already have an evil bunny mask if I was the wolf? Otherwise you would already know I was a wolf. Maybe I'm a vig and wanted a weapon for my powerrole. If your theory is true about the scum having to find that room then it is possible that I am a vig. Not saying I am and not saying I'm not.-
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Battery about dead (precautionarily shuts down with 6 mins left, at 8 now), just want to post something real quick before I can get it recharged at home. Whomever opened the door(s) leading to the exit room, do not close those doors. If we follow the theory scum would have to do a few steps to do night kills, then that would mean town would have some as well. I suspect it would be finding the exit. If the person who opened the door(s) locks it, and then dies, we may not be able to use their key to open it back up. The first person to open a door sets it so it can only open with that key.-
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dang dang dang!!! ergaa...
I had a pretty long post full of quotes and responses/questions that I was copying/pasting when I switched pages. I forgot to paste this last time and I copied something else and erased it. I will have to do it from memory real quick like.
1) I believe I never claimed to be vig. I said not saying I am, not saying I'm not.
2) Tenchi- If you believe your theory on the scum having to fulfill certain conditions to use their NK, wouldn't it be equally as likely that a town vig would also have the same condition? Also, wouldn't scum want everyone to open all the doors to find the weapon storage? You should be suspicious of anyone who wanted all the doors openned as well.
How is a lucky number more likely than wanting to skip rope?PhilyEc wrote:I've explained why I picked 7, its a lucky number. Battousai's explaination is that he wanted to skip rope...
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Got bored skipping rope, now I'm going to see if I can find any research in the library.-
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Read the rules people. Locked doors have no effects on night actions. You can die in a locked room.
Tenchi- I only mentioned the vig as a plausible explanation to a supposed hidden motive for going into the storage room. As you pointed out, there is a chance that the vig would want to go into that room if you're assumption of conditions are true. Yet you dismiss it. Did you notice all of this is based on assumption? You also think there is a very low possibility of there being a vig in this game, why is that? The only information we have is that there are 12 players. Not anything that would make a vig unlikely.
And to go back to one of my other questions that I accidentally deleted in my post:
Why did you post this question only to vote me after I answered? That implied that you had an acceptable answer in which I could have responded. What could I have said that would make you not want to vote me?Tenchi wrote:Let's create codenames for everyone so that MafiaMann can help us with stuff.
I want mine to be"the guy with glasses"[/b].
Battousai, why did you move to Room number 7? Do you need an Evil Bunny mask to do your stuff?-
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Tenchi wrote:
Good question. But I believe I can use a rhetorical question in my arguments just like you did in one of your posts.Battousai wrote:
Why did you post this question only to vote me after I answered? That implied that you had an acceptable answer in which I could have responded. What could I have said that would make you not want to vote me?Tenchi wrote:Let's create codenames for everyone so that MafiaMann can help us with stuff.
I want mine to be"the guy with glasses"[/b].
Battousai, why did you move to Room number 7? Do you need an Evil Bunny mask to do your stuff?
The truth of the matter is I suspect you already just because you went straight into that room.Vote: Tenchi
You could have voted me in the first post instead of asking a rhetorical question. This implies to me that you were trying to get me to say something in which you could infer that I have a powerrole.-
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And my point is made. You asked me a question, I responded, you voted me. When asked what kind of answer would have led you to not vote me, you reply that your question was rhetorical (and it clearly wasn't). Therefore, you tried to get me to say something, something that may lead you to believe I might be a powerrole or scum, and since you are denying it, it is more likely they former.-
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To all of you who had said I should have directly refuted tenchi's case of only scum would go into that room, I did. I said my reason in my second post after confirm. And in case you didn't believe that, my fifth post says the word Honestly. It just that people don't believe me and by people I mainly mean Tenchi. There are multiple reasons why someone would go into that room and from the information we HAVE, there is only 1.
From what we know, the only reason why anyone would go in there is because.... they wanted to, they had no motive other than just messing around.
Now if you start to speculate....
the reasons could be that scum have to find the storeroom, and go in it to be able to kill. A town vig has to find the storeroom, and go in it to be able to use his/her ability. And the last reason would be the same if you didn't speculate, that town had no reason.
Tenchi FOCUSED on that single reason, while assuming with no basis that scum had to go there to use their NK, without even considering any other reason, which is a scumtrait to focus on the scummiest thing someone does to get them lynched. That is why I brought up the fact he asked me a question, got a reply, and didn't care and voted me. He wanted me to say something that could possibly hint at me being a powerrole. Plus there is the sideeffect of looking like you aren't just pushing the scummiest reason.-
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But by pointing, you also voted. To me at least, pointing something else is not the same as voting.Tenchi wrote:
Nope. You are considering me scummy for pointing out things I notice instead of being silent.Kmd4390 wrote: "I was scummy, but now we are talking" is NOT a defense.
It's too early to really gauge if anyone is tunneling in on me, but more than one person has expressed doubts about me, and that is where that posts comes from. I “technically” didn't pick up anything.Looker wrote:Battousai's Post 232 - Do you feel as if everyone is turning against you ortunnelingin on you? If so, you should express this and assess those whom are both stating suspicions of you and voting you. There could lie the scum. That is, of course, if you, yourself, aren't scum and your fellow partners aren't bussing you.
And you must understand it's hard to believe someone right off the bat, so, usually, I would think it necessary to continually press an issue if you are suspicious of it. But speaking of, when you entered the Storage Room, what was that item that you picked up?
I think he was trying to get information out before voting me. If you read my post:Looker is reminding you all that she wrote:
So you're voting Tenchi because you believe him to have been fishing for your alleged "powerrole"?Battousai wrote:Tenchi wrote:
Good question. But I believe I can use a rhetorical question in my arguments just like you did in one of your posts.Battousai wrote:
Why did you post this question only to vote me after I answered? That implied that you had an acceptable answer in which I could have responded. What could I have said that would make you not want to vote me?Tenchi wrote:Let's create codenames for everyone so that MafiaMann can help us with stuff.
I want mine to be"the guy with glasses"[/b].
Battousai, why did you move to Room number 7? Do you need an Evil Bunny mask to do your stuff?
The truth of the matter is I suspect you already just because you went straight into that room.Vote: Tenchi
You could have voted me in the first post instead of asking a rhetorical question. This implies to me that you were trying to get me to say something in which you could infer that I have a powerrole.Battousai wrote:Tenchi FOCUSED on that single reason, while assuming with no basis that scum had to go there to use their NK, without even considering any other reason, which is a scumtrait to focus on the scummiest thing someone does to get them lynched. That is why I brought up the fact he asked me a question, got a reply, and didn't care and voted me. He wanted me to say something that could possibly hint at me being a powerrole. Plus there is the sideeffect of looking like you aren't just pushing the scummiest reason.
Nothing is a bad move until it causes a loss. Who knows what this can/did lead to.PhilyEc wrote:I'm seeing the move as random more and more now, I think you went in there just being playful ._. Dont do that anyway, if you aren't scum you're taking attention away from more appropriate suspects. You admit it was a bad move right?
Honestly, the first time I read the wiki on it was when I said their could be an unlimited amount of scum due to hyptnosis. And for a reason for you to believe I'm not lieing about the key is that EVERYONE except me has used their key, I believe. That means that unless there is only one scum, the scum have keys as well as the town.mykonian wrote:
battousai probably read it too.Wolf wrote:
Hey, I read the manga, and the only person that didn't have a key was the main character. How this will affect the game though, I don't know. Anyway, I guess I should do something useful now.Battousai wrote: I do not have a key.Wolf opens door number 3.-
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You guys are being too open- I'll tell you if I get a PR? My flavor suggests something will happen when I go to this room... Why would you do that, it's not like you were going to get lynched if you don't claim. And telling us what your flavor hints at is something you keep to yourself until you have to tell us. The scum and the town do not need to know about this at this point.
And to go along with the group, I suggest everyone who has shut a door, open it so we can enter.
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But you didn't...Tenchi wrote:
And the only defense I have here is I should have voted for you at the same post as I have posted those suspicions?Battousai wrote: But by pointing, you also voted. To me at least, pointing something else is not the same as voting.
I'm not deflecting, merely pointing out. If I felt anything wrong with it I would have said something.Tenchi wrote:
I am paranoid as I have said. Especially with the key revelation. I do agree however with the staying together in groups of threes.Battousai wrote:Tenchi- Ztife suggests that everyone should go to the weapons storage... why haven't you expressed suspicion on that and instead focus on the keys?
And yes, please do not deflect my attention on you to Ztlife. At least his entrance/proposal of going into the Storage Room had some form of logic into it (rather than say, a lame excuse like skipping rope).
The only difference between what I did and what everyone who goes into the storage room will be be the reason. What the hell? The action is supposedly scummy, not the reason. You voted me because I went into the room. You said that was what was scummy since you stated you should have voted me in the sentence you asked me why. Therefore you must agree the reason is not scummy but the action. Now everyone is going in there with a reason of ztife said it was a good idea... they aren't suspicious, just the first person who went in there. Flawed logic much? Narrowing in much? Ya, definately keeping my vote on you now.
Maybe that is because I am voting for you at the moment and I was your first suspect. Maybe it would be helpful if we, as town, stopped focusing on the game setup/flavor and whatnot, and focused more on scumhunting.Tenchi wrote:(Selective attention? Maybe. Right now, the Battousai case is the best one I can think of, and makes sense for me.)
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Scum/Roleholder/Vanilla again would say the same thing.Battousai wrote:Let me rephrase it. According to the game, I did not pick up anything, was not given anything, I have not gotten an item. I said technically, because I didn't get anything even though I said I took the rope to jump rope (much like the way you molested super hot chick Codename: ZazieR.
Just because every role would say the same thing, doesn't make it untrue.-
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Battousai moves to room 12
Ok, if we are going to do the 3 per room bit, I suggest we do the following:
Players 1-4 will each pick two players from players 5-12 to go into a room together. Then the odd players from 5-11 will pick one person from players 1-4 to go into a room with a different pair than their own. (For example player1 picks 5,7; 2 picks 6,12; 3 picks 8,9; 4 picks 10,11; player 5 picks 1 to join 6,12; 7 picks 4 to join 8,9; 9 picks 2 to join 10,11; 11 picks 3 to join 5,7; final groups will be 1,6,12; 2,10,11; 3,5,7; 4,8,9 then when someone is lynched, they will drop from their group. This way scum cannot influence the groupings to join with eachother. I don't agree that doing this will help the town see who leaves the room as someone suggested, though.
Bitchibee- Any thoughts up to this point?-
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Thought so. How unbalanced is that? I guess we can try it for the first night, but I am highly doubtful that it will actually work that way.Iecerint wrote:
I think it was based on speculation from Ztife that we might receive notices that a roommate left the room during the night.Battousai wrote:Quick question, why are we grouping together in the first place?
I guess we can go PhilyEc's way for tonight.
ZazieR wrote:The players who are still alive:
1) Kmd4390 - Room 1: Male Restroom
2) mykonian - Room 13: Exit Room
3) BitchibeeWolf- Room 3: Library
4) Ztife
5) Looker - Room 12: Crime Scene Room
6) Iecerint - Room 8: Great Hall
7) MafiaMann - Room 6: Dark Room
8) Kreriov - Room 10: Empty Room
9) Tenchi - Room 9: Bedroom
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Man, how is me just wanting to mess around not an answer??? I'm not going around the question.... that is my answer.
Also, Tenchi said he would should have voted me as soon as I went in... thereby not knowing my intent. So he found the action scummy and not any reason. He changes that up later when someone else wants to go in there with a different intent. He's not being consistant. Also, "intent makes all the difference," doesn't apply. People lie in mafia *shock*. They can just make up an intent and with the suggestion that everyone should go into the storage room, they now have one and they don't have to lie. Yet, Tenchi did not care that everyone is going into the storage room, yet he still is suspicious of me for going in there. I bet if everyone jumped off a bridge, Tenchi would rule them all as accidental, but mine would be suicide .-
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^ That post all seems to me that you think Tenchi is town, yet you vote him for not being on (even though it was around 44hrs since he said he would be back in a couple of days) and talking about what is developing.
FomS: Iecerint
I think you are trying to look protown, while not actually doing anything protown.-
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First off, Looker change your location under your avatar. You are not "Somewhere on a mountian." You are "Somewhere on a mountain."
Secondly, we need to get some more people active. I hate having no reads/posts to go on later on people for D2.
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I call you out for actively lurking and you try to preemptively excuse your later actions with "going to Florida." That is not an excuse for actively lurking. It is just an excuse for lurking. Then you make a stand, but it is based on unknown flavor and game specifics. It is like you are on an invisible fence. You actually take a stance, but if it goes back to you, you have flavor speculation to back you up. Therefore, you are still on the fence.MafiaMann wrote:
I'm sorry. I'm going to Florida, so don't expect it to get better. I still find the guy who tried to dictate where everybody stayed the scummiest. I think that what room you're in has some power over night actions.Ninja man wrote:And to follow up that post
FOS: Mafiamann
IMO, you have been actively lurking. You've been focused on flavor more than anything, and responding in short posts that most don't take a real stance.-
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Tell me what Tenchi has done that is so risky, that scum would not do it.mykonian wrote:Tenchi is a player that tends to play with fire, like he does here. His things he said were scummy, but he took risks, something I consider town.
KMD does exactly the opposite. Tries not to stand out, but still be here. Brings little new, doesnt lead the game, like he likes to. Scummy behaviour for certain.
Phily: you are looking too much at prove, not at motivations. A player that takes risks, and stands out, is per definition more town. Check the meta on this site.-
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I'm not complainingIecerint wrote:I also think it's a little weird that you won't let anyone into the bathroom with you, flavor aside.
Also, is Batt aware that he's locked in the Crime Scene Room with Looker?
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Tell me what Tenchi has done that is so risky, that scum would not do it.-
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mykonian wrote:
Tenchi was, IIRC, the first to come with hard accusations, that were likely wrong. That is a town tell.Battousai wrote:Myko- please answer my request:
Tell me what Tenchi has done that is so risky, that scum would not do it.
But like Iece said, a towntell doesn't make him definite town, just more likely then he would be without it.
I'm getting a bit more uncertain about my KMD vote, although his recent theories don't help, but Phily's buddying gets so obvious...unvote vote Phily
I think you should not tunnel on Tenchi, and not use Tenchi as leverage to defend KMD.SFOS: Mykonian- Are you saying that voting me for going into the storage room is a hard accusation that is likely wrong?
You are saying that as long as you pursue your accusations, it is a towntell, no matter what the accusation was.
Also, this is the second time you've "tried" to help player's game by telling them what they should, and shouldn't do. This is also not your first time you are telling someone they are defending, busing, or buddying someone else, based solely on the fact that both parties attention is on you right now.-
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The only thing I do not grasp is how PhilyEc has been defending KMD. I see his response to the doublevote post is in response to how you overlooked clear scumminess that you found scummy, for gut. I do not think that he wanted you to vote Tenchi, but that gut shouldn't overshadow scumminess.
Now I agree that your doublevote was obviously a way to track your thinking as you reread, but the outcome is what I find suspicious as well. If you would have voted Tenchi, and then revoted KMD for a good reason, then it would have been much different.-
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I was just making stuff up, trying to have fun.Gregory wrote:
why do you want to leave the starting room? Why travel to a suspicious room, while you could stay in a room where nothing happens?Battousai wrote:1) Why would I want to go to a smelly restroom?
Sounds like you are trying to give credit to the KMD meta, while at the same time preparing an exit strategy in case KMD is town. So, do you agree that KMD's meta is to take control when town?Ztife wrote:Myko's double vote post was actually like, all over the place, but I actually do agree with him on KMD's playstyle being a little less dominant than his usual town plays. The whole post was of weak cases and not very strong votes, it warrants little attention on my part.
Not that I'm an expert on KMD's playstyle or anything.
You like to say this phrase a lot... I don't see how drinking a glass of water would make someone calm down.mykonian wrote:All that can make you unvote is a glass of water-
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Looker- Ya, it's starting to smell in here. Open a window or unlock the door or something.
Gregory- I agree, mostly. The KMD initial vote on Myk was/is wrong. Maybe he, knowing his partner made a scumslip and voted for him to get on the town's good side. But Myk's defense towards him is credible. He had no reason to defend himself from that vote and when he did, it was because KMD was dragging it for so long. But, I also find Myk scummy. The double vote, not so much, but his defense towards that action has definitely looked scummy. Trying to get someone to not vote him by telling him that he is misguided or however he stated it, screams of knowing the other player's alignment and trying to appease to a player with that role. Then he tries to unvote PhilyC thinking that they both might be townies just seemed weird. I think it might have been him seeing his mistake in voting PhilyC in the first place, and trying to correct it.
Overall, I would say KMD and Myk have both been scummy, but I don't see enough indication of bussing to call them on it, like you did.-
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Battousai wants to move to room 4
So far the only risk you have stated is that he attacked me with bad reasoning. Also, Tenchi wagon is the second wagon as I was technically the first person to act and he tried to form a wagon on me.mykonian wrote:I think that I explained before that Tenchi took risks. That is townie the way I see the game. But his "aggressive" starting, weak cases, wrong points, etc, also looks scummy: but could one do better? It did start the game, and he had little to work with. It seems like scum had an easy target with the first person that acted. It makes that I have little confidence in that wagon.-
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Deadline be the 20th of July. At deadline, the person with the most votes is lynched and if it is a tie, the person who has been at that number of votes the longest, will be lynched (highlighted in green in the vote counts).
KMD-Battousai wants to move to room 1. Why do you keep your door locked?
Battousai moves to room 10
Battousai moves to room 6
Myk- Why do you refuse to give your suspicions?
My top lynch candidate would be either Tenchi or mykonian, where bitchibee would be my safe lynch (not save Myk ).-
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