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hi guys!
Vote: Knox for Mayor
Vote: Zoneace for lynch
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Unvote, Vote: Jahudo for Mayor
Much as i like you Fonzie, i'd like to see some fresh blood put into the spotlight today.
Unvote, Vote: Xtoxm
bit early for a softclaim, no?
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much love, comrade.Shadow Knight wrote:vote BattleMage for Mayor
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Thats what i said!Gorrad wrote:Vote Battle Mage for Mayor
Vote: Xtoxm for lynch
Softclaiming this early? Really? Plus, Xtoxm is on my standard list of good D1 lynches.
Pah, ok, i'll bite.Unvote, Vote: Battle Mage for Mayor.
Anyone in doubt of my credentials to hold this prestigious post, just think:
Better make me Mayor today than later, when i might be afforded opportunity to cause SERIOUS damage. xD
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ah sorry, i didnt read that. Maybe im not cut out to be Mayor!Juls wrote:mod wrote:Today you must elect a Mayor by majority vote. Do this by posting Vote PLAYER for Mayor. You may unvote this if you wish. The Mayor's vote will be worth two for the rest of the game. Should the Mayor die, they may choose their successor. The day will not end until both a Mayor has been elected and a player has been lynched.
I read the mod's post to mean you would cause "damage" as long as you are in the game. In fact, maybe we should wait a little while before making this decision because it does effect the game for more than just today.Battle Mage wrote:Anyone in doubt of my credentials to hold this prestigious post, just think:
Better make me Mayor today than later, when i might be afforded opportunity to cause SERIOUS damage. xD
Unvote Mayor
actually no, it just means its more important we have someone protown as mayor. So my self-vote stands. And i'm happy to run Xtoxm upto a claim right now.
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This is a respectable stance, but not very realistic. You are unlikely to get that kind of assurity on day 1. Our best bet is to pick someone today, and make sure they are held accountable as much as possible. Odds on, unless we get consequtive scum lynches, the Mayor will probably change on a daily basis. Such is the way with Kingmaker style games.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:unvote, Vote to Lynch: Xtoxm
I do not like that kind of play one bit.
I'm not shifting my mayor vote off myself unless I'm absolutely sure the person I'd be giving it to is Pro-Town.
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Yup. Any veteran will tell you that it's best to punish needless softclaiming like this. Xtoxm is experienced enough to know that his softclaim wouldnt get him to be Mayor, so i'm sure he expects this too.Jahudo wrote:Xtoxm, are you serious in believing that your role makes you a better choice for mayor than another townie?
You want him to claim already? I don't think he should claim, his post looks vague enough as it is that it's not hurting or helping.BM wrote:And i'm happy to run Xtoxm upto a claim right now.
Let's force him into a position early on.
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lol, how does that make you a good mayor? surely that makes you the exact kind of mayor we DONT want i.e. the kind who cannot be held accountable to the town.Xtoxm wrote:I'm unlynchable.
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sounds good. What a team we make!Gorrad wrote:
Agreed!Battle Mage wrote:
lol, how does that make you a good mayor? surely that makes you the exact kind of mayor we DONT want i.e. the kind who cannot be held accountable to the town.Xtoxm wrote:I'm unlynchable.
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I'm all for testing this claim.
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he probably needs to tell us that, from his role pm. The only consequence i can forsee is that we lose our lynch. But, the inconsistency here is glaring. If you were a Lynch-Immune townie, would you claim it immediately? That is, if the only way you could be killed is by NK, would you tell the scum that, at the earliest opportunity?MikeSC6 wrote:... a few posts popped up while typing my last one-
Does this mean that, if we try to lynch Xtoxm it will fail? Or will it fail with consequences? Is it worth trying out?
I dont think so.
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Lol, aww, why does he get the vote?Xtoxm wrote:Vote Gorrad
He just wants to waste todays lynch.
I'm totally more influential in getting you lynched than he is! xD
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I've played loads with him before, but sadly, none recently enough for me to have a decent grasp of his current play. I think he's welcome to use meta to defend himself if he wants to. Then we can assess from there.MikeSC6 wrote:Lynch Unvote: zwet
Vote: Xtoxm
Up to five, if I've counted right (which is by no means a sure thing.) Well within a safe distance from lynch, anyway. It was an odd post, although we don't really know what he meant by that and it could just have been joking around. Has anyone played with Xtoxm before, and would have reason to push him into a claim based on his post in conjuction with that meta? Is that kind of play something anyone's seen before in Xtoxm?
Today is the best time to test this claim, as we will undoubtedly have to at some point.
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You dont have to take my word for it. You could, like, read the first page of any Kingmaker/Consulmaker/Presidentmaker (a personal favourite) game.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:
Well, I've never played a game with this mechanic, so I'll take your word for it. Personally, I prefer to keep my vote on me for as long as possible, since I'd rather like to use it well. Of course, you could all make it easy and vote me for mayor. :pBattle Mage wrote:
This is a respectable stance, but not very realistic. You are unlikely to get that kind of assurity on day 1. Our best bet is to pick someone today, and make sure they are held accountable as much as possible. Odds on, unless we get consequtive scum lynches, the Mayor will probably change on a daily basis. Such is the way with Kingmaker style games.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:unvote, Vote to Lynch: Xtoxm
I do not like that kind of play one bit.
I'm not shifting my mayor vote off myself unless I'm absolutely sure the person I'd be giving it to is Pro-Town.
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What you mean to say is, you want to keep your vote inactive, until you can gain brownie points by making a casting vote. Afraid to commit yourself?
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
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winrate as scum: 78%
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agreed.Gorrad wrote:
DI next.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:
Well, I've never played a game with this mechanic, so I'll take your word for it. Personally, I prefer to keep my vote on me for as long as possible, since I'd rather like to use it well. Of course, you could all make it easy and vote me for mayor. :pBattle Mage wrote:
This is a respectable stance, but not very realistic. You are unlikely to get that kind of assurity on day 1. Our best bet is to pick someone today, and make sure they are held accountable as much as possible. Odds on, unless we get consequtive scum lynches, the Mayor will probably change on a daily basis. Such is the way with Kingmaker style games.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:unvote, Vote to Lynch: Xtoxm
I do not like that kind of play one bit.
I'm not shifting my mayor vote off myself unless I'm absolutely sure the person I'd be giving it to is Pro-Town.
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not to mention theyll be a prime scapegoat if they end up being on a bad lynchwagon.Shadow Knight wrote:Holy sarnath batman.
@Dizzy- you realize that whoever is voted mayor will be the most likely lynch candidate if they start using the power in a way the town as a whole doesn't agree with, right?
It wont end till we get a mayor anyway. Not sure if a short day is in our favour or not at this point. thoughts?Shadow Knight wrote: @Everyone- yeah, we're gonna have to test the unlynchable claim, but lets not end day one so quick, huh?
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can you please link me to a recent game of yours, where you were town please? Preferably one where you were one of the starting players.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:
No. I mean, I want to use my vote wisely. There's a difference.Battle Mage wrote:
You dont have to take my word for it. You could, like, read the first page of any Kingmaker/Consulmaker/Presidentmaker (a personal favourite) game.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:
Well, I've never played a game with this mechanic, so I'll take your word for it. Personally, I prefer to keep my vote on me for as long as possible, since I'd rather like to use it well. Of course, you could all make it easy and vote me for mayor. :pBattle Mage wrote:
This is a respectable stance, but not very realistic. You are unlikely to get that kind of assurity on day 1. Our best bet is to pick someone today, and make sure they are held accountable as much as possible. Odds on, unless we get consequtive scum lynches, the Mayor will probably change on a daily basis. Such is the way with Kingmaker style games.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:unvote, Vote to Lynch: Xtoxm
I do not like that kind of play one bit.
I'm not shifting my mayor vote off myself unless I'm absolutely sure the person I'd be giving it to is Pro-Town.
BM
What you mean to say is, you want to keep your vote inactive, until you can gain brownie points by making a casting vote. Afraid to commit yourself?
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sadly, you wont. Its not completely unheard of for scum to have 1 shot unlynchability. In fact, i've used it as a role in a game i've modded, as it can give the scum a strong edge.Xtoxm wrote:Vote Xtoxm for mayor
When you fail at lynching me i'll be confirmed town, so i'm the best choice.
I'll only be content of your towniness, after 2 successful lynch survivals, at which point i can probably conclude that it isnt mod bastardery. But ofc, you dont have a problem with that, do you?
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Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
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Quoted for Absolute Truth.Jahudo wrote:I don't buy X's claim. I've heard of Unlynchable as both a town and scum role anyway.
WHY??Jahudo wrote: I bet he's actually a UNK SK. This is the perfect fake claim for that.
unvote;
Vote: Xtoxm for Mayor
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Nightkilled - 10
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Lol, i dont mind if they are ongoing, as long as the mod doesnt have a problem. Most find it acceptable, as long as you are dead in that game.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:
No. All my recent games are either ongoing or were marathon games which wouldn't provide useful data due to the nature of the set-ups.Battle Mage wrote:can you please link me to a recent game of yours, where you were town please? Preferably one where you were one of the starting players.
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If not, a sample of older games will have to suffice.
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exactly. He's not town.dingoatemybaby wrote:
Can you explain if and how revealing this now is helpful to the town?Xtoxm wrote:I'm unlynchable.
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Have you got any better ideas? You're the buffoon who put us into this situation. I hope for your sake you aren't town....Xtoxm wrote:
BM is Gorrad's scumbuddy...He wants to No Lynch twice.Battle Mage wrote:
sadly, you wont. Its not completely unheard of for scum to have 1 shot unlynchability. In fact, i've used it as a role in a game i've modded, as it can give the scum a strong edge.Xtoxm wrote:Vote Xtoxm for mayor
When you fail at lynching me i'll be confirmed town, so i'm the best choice.
I'll only be content of your towniness, after 2 successful lynch survivals, at which point i can probably conclude that it isnt mod bastardery. But ofc, you dont have a problem with that, do you?
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ok a link to that will be a start, thanks. There is a reason im asking this-not just sending you on a wild goose chase.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:
I'm not dead in any of them. And as far I can tell, the only game I can find that I actually started, I was a Mafia RB, so... problem. I'll keep looking.Battle Mage wrote:
Lol, i dont mind if they are ongoing, as long as the mod doesnt have a problem. Most find it acceptable, as long as you are dead in that game.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:
No. All my recent games are either ongoing or were marathon games which wouldn't provide useful data due to the nature of the set-ups.Battle Mage wrote:can you please link me to a recent game of yours, where you were town please? Preferably one where you were one of the starting players.
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If not, a sample of older games will have to suffice.
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Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
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No, why did you vote him for Mayor? 0.o'Jahudo wrote:@BM: A feeling I get from my X as SK meta.
@Shadow: I certainly hope there aren't jesters but now that you mention it I bet there is a Vampire in this game. It fits the theme perfectly. I'm not familiar with the strategy so I don't know if they'd make themselves a target for a lynch or NK so early.
Ugh, im such a dumbass. Whats a vampire?
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Nightkilled - 10
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A short day is in the town's favour, if a longer day will produce little further scumhunting (due to the lynch already being decided, and further suspicions being subject to that result) and revealing of protown power roles, as often happens in early games. Its also in the towns favour if the scum havent had time to settle into the game yet. Hopefully they might feel a little lost, although this is more of a long shot.Percy wrote:@Xtomx: I think claiming 'unlynchable' makes you the perfect scum target. If you're pro-town and also the mayor, what makes you think you'll survive tonight?
My vote stays.
And anyways, I agree with the general principal of voting for a player who smells kinda town for mayor, and keeping a very close eye on them for the rest of the game.
I know mayorsoundsawesome ("Shit yeah, I'm the goddamned MAYOR!"), but those 'running' for mayor obviously have a rather high opinion of their scumhunting skills, or are scum. I willUnvote for Mayoruntil a candidate addresses the (actually serious) question: What would make you a good mayor?
@BM: I don't think a short day iseverin the town's favour. What would make you think otherwise?
As far as a campaign goes, i think Shadow Knight summed it up pretty well. I'm probably the most active person here, so i wont lurk or anything, and you'll have plenty of time to judge me. I'm blatantly protown as anyone can see, and i'm pretty experienced. Also, im really easy to read, so putting me in the limelight should reap pretty rapid rewards as far as analysing me goes.
As far as i see it, those who want to be mayor arent necessarily arrogant or scum. They are just being selfish, and finding the simplest route to fulfill their win condition. If we all vote for ourselves, nobody will get anywhere.
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Nightkilled - 10
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you didnt seem to have a problem random voting in either of those games. Is this a change of policy, or do you think random voting is a scumtell for you?DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:
Best I can do with games I've started:Battle Mage wrote: ok a link to that will be a start, thanks. There is a reason im asking this-not just sending you on a wild goose chase.
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Newbie 586 in which Izzy plays the part of Mafia RB
Open 72 in which Izzy plays the part of a Mafia goon.
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voting for mayor is just like voting for scum, except u vote for the most town person. But random voting can help you put some feelers out, and assess who likes who. Mayor voting can be a useful scumhunting tool aswell, you see?DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:It's unfamiliarity with a game mechanic more than anything else. You may have noticed I made a random lynch vote in this game already. With my earliest experience of playing Mafia, I didn't do any random voting until I was confident enough to do it, but that wasn't on this site and I don't believe there are transcripts of those games anywhere.
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Nightkilled - 10
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true, but itll make it harder for us to lynch him tomorrow. Something i think is looking more likely atm.Jahudo wrote:
1. If we want to lynch X today or test the theory that it just won't work (I don't think Unlynchables necessarily have to force a no-lynch if he is telling the truth as town or scum unlynchable), we need to have a mayor. If he doesn't die and is still mayor then he'll be a prime night kill target anyway (I'm guessing there are multiple killing factions because most large games have them).Battle Mage wrote:[No, why did you vote him for Mayor? 0.o'
Ugh, im such a dumbass. Whats a vampire?
lolJahudo wrote: Also I'm probably not the best mayor candidate. I like to think I'm pro-town when I'm town but I've been wrong about who's scum alot of times. In fact, that's my meta as town.
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There may not be anything inherently scummy about the ability, but there is something inherently scummy about the manner in which he claimed it. If he was town, i see no motive for him to claim such a powerful ability in the early stages of the game, because it just makes him a target. On the other hand, if he is scum, there is no downside to him claiming early, because presumably he cannot be NKed, or is less likely to be. And this is all assuming his claim is true. He could just be a generic goon, who wants to avoid being lynched.Percy wrote:We have to have a mayor.
I've been thinking about Xtomx's claim, and I think it's like a miller role, which should be claimed on Day 1. I think lynching himjust to test his truthfulnessis a bad idea. It's great we have this information, and if he looking like a good lynch candidate, then we lynch him; if he's not, we don't. There is nothing inherently scummy about the ability, and sacrificing a lynch shouldn't be an option.
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this is a good point. Although it would be interesting to see if he'd implicate a scumbuddy or not.Jahudo wrote:Actually I think if X is scum and has partners, him being mayor is a bad idea even if he does die since he can select the next mayor.
unvote Xtoxm for Mayorhe seems townish so far
Vote: Battle Mage for Mayor
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Yeh, thats a very good idea actually. Must be some sort of reason for them...Percy wrote:For the record, here are the breakups by gender and by age:
Male players
dingoatemybaby (Male, 38)
MikeSC6 (Male, 19)
Xtoxm (Male, 18)
zwetschenwasser (Male, 1)
Yosarian2 (Male, 28)
Jahudo (Male, 73)
Barrylocke (Male, 19)
Dr Pepper (Male, 17)
Shadow Knight (Male, 29)
Percy (Male, 27)
Firestarter (Male, 32)
Mufasa (Male, 16)
ZONEACE (Male, 21)
Female players
The Fonz (Female, 11)
DizzyIzzyB13 (Female, 17)
Shinnen_no_Me (Female, 19)
knox (Female, 18)
Gorrad (Female, 42)
Juls (Female, 29)
Ztife (Female, 24)
Battle Mage (Female, 19)
Age in ascending order
zwetschenwasser (Male, 1)
The Fonz (Female, 11)
Mufasa (Male, 16)
DizzyIzzyB13 (Female, 17)
Dr Pepper (Male, 17)
Xtoxm (Male, 18)
knox (Female, 18)
Barrylocke (Male, 19)
Battle Mage (Female, 19)
MikeSC6 (Male, 19)
Shinnen_no_Me (Female, 19)
ZONEACE (Male, 21)
Ztife (Female, 24)
Percy (Male, 27)
Yosarian2 (Male, 28)
Shadow Knight (Male, 29)
Juls (Female, 29)
Firestarter (Male, 32)
dingoatemybaby (Male, 38)
Gorrad (Female, 42)
Jahudo (Male, 73)
No idea if this will prove useful, but good for reference later maybe?
Lol, calm down! xDPercy wrote:
...and yet you want to be mayor?Battlemage wrote:As far as i see it, those who want to be mayor arent necessarily arrogant or scum. They are just being selfish, and finding the simplest route to fulfill their win condition. If we all vote for ourselves, nobody will get anywhere.
I think those who want to be mayor should be motivated by alackof selfishness - understanding that they are submitting themselves to greater scrutiny for the benefit of the town. Yeah, your vote counts more, but if you're wrong about a vote, it will be alotharder to talk yourself out of getting lynched in retribution. Anyone who is wanting the power to throw in another vote for selfish reasons is dangerousat best.
When i say people voting themselves for mayor are being selfish, i mean they are looking no further than the tip of their nose for a candidate. It's a logical approach:- I know im town, therefore if i am mayor, at the very least, ill be TRYING to find scum.
My point was, this policy doesnt work for everyone-because if nobody looks to another candidate, scum will inevitably win (because they can trust each other).
I think you'll find i'm quite aware of the fact that the mayor will be under the spotlight, but i think you may be overstating what the role of Mayor actually is. At the moment, the mayor is weak. A double vote with 11 to lynch, is not a major difference maker. It's much later in the game that this becomes a pertinent issue. I've already stated that im well familiar with the Kingmaker game structure.
Why do you think i would be a bad mayor?Percy wrote: I think a lot of people are voting Battlemage simply because he posts a lot, and that's pretty dumb. A large post count is not indicative of anything I've outlined.
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That's a relief, because that military position isnt vacant. xDDr Pepper wrote:Holy 24 hour multi page explosion Batman.
Lynch Vote Xtoxm
Something about Xtoxm's claim feels very troublesome to me. Its like he threw a giant pile of gambit out there and early in day one to boot. Even if we test his claim, it does not prove his alignment. Id would be more than happy calling his bluff.
I do not like the idea of Battlemage for major right now. He is trying to hard for my tastes. Id rather not see him end of as major today.
Im not sure what you mean by trying too hard. I always participate at this frequency in early games, regardless of the prospect of immediately gaining something. If anyone was trying too hard, i'd say it was Percy, in that his aspirations for a mayor seem very vague and woolly to me. More a propaganda exercise than something realistic and practical.
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I concur.Yosarian2 wrote:
(shrug) If there's a good case on someone, if I'm pretty convinced that they're scum, I'd be in favor of lynching them instead; I'm always pragmatic about such things.The Fonz wrote:So let's say we've got a couple of middling wagons, a couple of people making cases... everyone's supposed to drop their cases and just vote Xtoxm?
For the most part, though, I think lynching Xtoxm today has a much better risk/reward payoff then most day 1 lynches do.
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I agree with Fonz here. Whilst it doesnt necessarily mean you arent going to contribute, your cautious attitude definitely stinks of not wanting to be held accountable for your votes, and to remain inconspicuous.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:
No. It means exactly what I said. Judicious use of the vote isn't necessarily a bad thing anyway. There's far less obfuscation involved than jumping from place to place.The Fonz wrote:
Translation: I want to leave as little of a paper trail as possible.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:
No. I mean, I want to use my vote wisely. There's a difference.
Looks like you need to get your eyes tested, then. Conservative play to avoid making mistake s with unfamiliar game mechanics does not equal unwilligness to contribute.The Fonz wrote:
Looks like an excuse to avoid contributing to me.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:It's unfamiliarity with a game mechanic more than anything else. You may have noticed I made a random lynch vote in this game already. With my earliest experience of playing Mafia, I didn't do any random voting until I was confident enough to do it, but that wasn't on this site and I don't believe there are transcripts of those games anywhere.
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Reason he could be lying: He could be scum, who didnt want to be run up...The Fonz wrote:
Always a good thing. But I've no particular reason to believe he's lying; and if he isn't, it's a wasted lynch. Sure, confirming the role is useful; someone's alignment is more so. I'd rather wait and see if he is taken out at night.Yosarian2 wrote:
If he's not unlynchable, then lynching him probably nails us a scum; like I said, his meta makes me worry that there's a chance that he's lying town, but if he's lying about his role I still think we have to assume that would make him more likely scum then town. Lynching a liar is usually a good thing.The Fonz wrote:Does not compute, Yos.
If he's not unlynchable, there's no pressing need to lynch him now.
If he is, it's a complete waste.
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claiming unlynchable is a stupid play for a jester, because it means if they arent lynched Day 1, they are likely to be NKed.
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Mufasa - Do you think early self-voting is a scumtell? or a towntell?Yosarian2 wrote:
Ok, but there's a fair amount of stuff that's happened already in this game, especally xtoxm's claim and the various reactions to it, and I'd be interested to hear what you think about it all, as soon as possible.Mufasa wrote:My vote for myself is because I don't fear a lynch, and for now it is a place holder as I am transiting into the new game and wrapping up the old game.
Also, is there any specific reason you're voting Fonz for mayor?
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why is him revealing himself as potential scum, a bad thing? why are you trying to discourage him?Dr Pepper wrote: @ Mufasa: I suggest you stop voting yourself. It looks pretty suspicious and I consider it being scummy.
Facepalm. Fonz, if you play Major, can i play Minor? lmaoDr Pepper wrote: At this point, I feel comfortable enough toMajor Vote The Fonz. I have a semi meta on him and its good enough to consider him for major day one.
Also, jester/vampire speculation should stop.
Also,Claim: Jester
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I have an irresistable urge to lynch you right now.Percy wrote: This looks like I'm defending Xtomx, which is really not where I want to be. I just think that the claim had to come out, and I'm glad it came out now, and we should be looking at his playstyle rather than policy lynching him based on his claim.
I suggest you start contributing. You'll get my vote in 48 hours if you don't start scumhunting and analysing like a motherfucker.
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roflGorrad wrote:
*Cracks up*Fonz wrote:
*facepalm*Battle Mage wrote:Also,Claim: Jester
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Confirm Vote for Lynch: Xtoxm
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I'm intrigued. what else do you think he could be hiding about his role?Juls wrote:
I think Xtoxm likes to gambit. I have seen him do it as scum and town. I also think he likes to claim early. I have seen him do it as both scum and town. So, do I think he is lying about being unlynchable? No. Do I think he is giving us the whole story? No.The Fonz wrote:Guys. I want everyone to post their current opinion on the following question, be it based on gut, meta, whatever.
Do you feel that Xtoxm is lying to us?
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lmfao. xDdingoatemybaby wrote:How about this. Why don't we all list our top four methods for deciding how to vote for mayor and our top four method for deciding how to vote for a lynch. The top three from each will then go into a round robin style voting contest, where the winner of each round will be determined by a method to be determined through an three day elimination challenge. The winner of the round robin contest will be validated by two thirds of the most experienced players and a simple majority of less experienced players. If validated, people can then use these methods to decide who and how they are going to vote for. I propose we vote on my proposal.
Or, just for kicks, we could justVote for Mayorfor whoever we want to be mayor andVote:for whoever we want to lynch.
This actually brought tears to my eyes. I vote Yes on the first proposal. xD
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The first part of the post sounds like a threat, on the grounds my claim was serious.MikeSC6 wrote:
If Battlemage was lurking and had only made a joke post, I'd agree that it would indicate scum. But we've had plenty of activity in addition to this from Battlemage.@ Battlemage: That jester claim does not look good for you. Especially after multiple people asked for the speculation to stop. Scum often use joking to avoid providing content.
Will catch up properly later.
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Unvote to Lynch
Im really confused. from this page, it looks like Xtoxm's replacement is claiming jester, and Yos just put him at -1. wtf??
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does this make sense in the context of a Jester? Im not sure Xtoxm is that smart to think that this would get him strung up...Xtoxm wrote:My role would be perfect for mayor.
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EBWOP: By 'this page' i meant page 20, which i somehow concluded was the last page...Battle Mage wrote:Unvote to Lynch
Im really confused. from this page, it looks like Xtoxm's replacement is claiming jester, and Yos just put him at -1. wtf??
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if i was Xtoxm-jester, id have claimed that lynching me would fail, and all votes would be reset, or something similar.Xtoxm wrote:
Yes, it will fail. It will be the same as No Lynch.MikeSC6 wrote:... a few posts popped up while typing my last one-
Does this mean that, if we try to lynch Xtoxm it will fail? Or will it fail with consequences? Is it worth trying out?
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hmm, i just dont know if i believe this jester claim. still reading. would Haschel use the name "village idiot"? Yos?Shadow Knight wrote:@BM- why not, he committed every *other* action that would get him lynched...
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since when did the Mafia do our bidding?Shadow Knight wrote:So we're agreed on the necessity for his death. We just need to agree on the method. I don't want to lynch him because I think the scum will kill him for us. I'd rather they NK him than a townie. If that also happens to negate his win condition then, yay, bonus.
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exactly. he just isnt trying hard enough for a novice who just wants to get lynched. If he's a Jester, he's got damn lucky, because he doesnt seem to conciously want to be lynched.zwetschenwasser wrote:You are not Xtoxm. You are a master jester, as seen by your title. Xt is not.
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Lynching a Jester is NOT good for the town. We dont want a Jester to win. He clearly isnt aligned with the town, but if lynching him means the Jester wins, we pretty much suck. Some people dont believe a Jester win counts for anything in the grand scheme of things.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:
You've already started the inevitable discussion and argument that'll happen if we let him go 'till night. Lynching him does not harm us at all. Lynching people against against the interests of the town is good for town. Even if he is a jester, so what? So he gets to win as well as town when we find scum? Is that really such a problem?Shadow Knight wrote:@Gorrad- stop thinking in terms of "we lynch anti-town" and start thinking in terms of "we don't give anti-town roles what they want." Under normal circumstances, the former would be correct, but when you have an anti-town role that wants something *other/more* than survival, you make sure they do not get what they want. If the town has a vig, letting him/her kill millar is an *awesome* way for him to let his presence be known and later confirmed without risking a townie. Under normal circumstances, said vig would have to claim and then we have to leave him/her alive for another night so they can prove themselves. If we let the vig kill millar we have the win-win situation of not giving him a win and getting a vig confirm later. The only negative is if we have a Serial Killer who makes the kill and then claims vig later, in which case, we need to pray we *do* have a vig who will either already be dead (meaning the SK is toast) or can counter claim (meaning the SK is toast). Please note the SK scenario is pure conjecture, but just used to illustrate a benefit of having millar night killed instead of lynched.
I'm not one of those people. Jesters = serious business.
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pah, ill read later.Unvote For Mayor
I dont support Yos as mayor, for reasons already stated by others. Same applies, to a lesser degree, to Fonz.Vote: Shadow Knight for Mayor
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lol. im paranoid, k?Juls wrote:Shadow Knight wrote:I would say give it toJulsYosa,or Fonz.
C'mon buddy, whats with the BM-hate?
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actually, i really dont think it is. xDzwetschenwasser wrote:Perhaps, but it's worth pursuing later.
FoS: Zwet
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That's lovely. I hope you name your first born after me...The Fonz wrote: Tbh, I'd be pretty cool with Juls.
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If ever there was a child born who was made to play Mafia... xDDDThe Fonz wrote:Battle Mage Fonzarelli. Hmmmm.
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Lol, you are openly stating that you intend to attack Yos later, with something that clearly has no value. That is scummy. If you genuinely believed you had something, you'd raise it now, rather than wait for tomorrow. I'm merely nipping it in the bud now.zwetschenwasser wrote:
Your opinion on something doesn't make mine a scumtell.Battle Mage wrote:
actually, i really dont think it is. xDzwetschenwasser wrote:Perhaps, but it's worth pursuing later.
FoS: Zwet
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rofl. Looking at his posts in isolation, i dont like this one much. Ugetme?Mufasa wrote:My vote for myself is because I don't fear a lynch, and for now it is a place holder as I am transiting into the new game and wrapping up the old game.
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actually, it kinda is. Setting off a mine underwater, and collecting the fish that wind up on the land, is still technically fishing.Yosarian2 wrote:
"Tell me your role right now or die" is not "rolefishing", zwet.zwetschenwasser wrote:Yos blatantly rolefished last page, and noone noticed.
I was actually trying to find a reason to NOT lynch Xtoxm/Millar. Millar completly failed to give me one, so I voted him.
The thing is, your rolefishing wasnt scummy, because we already knew pretty much everything about Xtoxm's role that we were going to.
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really? i thought as soon as we had a majority for lynch, that was decided, and then we just had to get a majority for mayor...Yosarian2 wrote:
You realize it dosn't work like that, right? He's not actually "hammered" until we have both a lynch and a mayor; until then the day does not end.zwetschenwasser wrote:It doesn't matter any more. I hammered him.
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you're making this too complicated. Just FoS him and be done with it.Yosarian2 wrote:I'm actually somewhat suspicious of the way Zwet has been acting in the last few pages. He defends Xtoxm hardcore for much of the day, attacks me for asking him to claim...then tries to hammer him not long afterwards? All while trying to set it up so I'll look bad for "rolefishing" if Xtoxm/Millar comes up town? What, exactally, were you trying to accomplish with that series of actions, Zwet?
I still dont support Yos-Mayor.
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