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I read the first few pages of the last game (like maybe 4 pages?), and I can think of atleast one way to catch scum while claiming noises. I'm not going to explain at this time
While asking questions of our dear mod, I found out that cultists are notified if their fetish action fails due to a ward. So, they know who was warded (if they tried to craft fetish on a person). But the target will have heard noise either way and doesn't know if it's because there is a fetish of them, or because they were protected.
I also think it's important to find out who heard noise that wasn't warded, so we know they are people that are either 1)targets of the cult from fetish action or stalk action; or 2)cultists faking some shit. Then it is up to the other investigators to look at these people to decide if they are pro-town and worthy of a ward or a resuscitate action tonight.
My idea is that everybody claims 1)Did you hear noise; and 2)Did you ward? (Note: ward targets should not be revealed until later).
OBV, I am open to other strategies since I am not always the best at this kind of thing. But that's my idea. It's sort of like what the last game did, I think.Talk nerdy to me.
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OH!
Also, I was wondering if there was some way to circle protect each other, and then maybe according to who dies we know where there is a link in the chain?
I haven't thought through that idea completely if it will work or not, but I remember one game I played with all doctors we did that, and it helps narrow things down. Somebody with a more mathematical mind may need ot help me here!Talk nerdy to me.
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Okay so there's no way to circle protect because warding somebody prevents them from warding somebody else.dramonic wrote:Ward
Side Effects: Your target hears Noise. You hear Noise. Your action will fail if someone targets you with Ward, and you will not be notified of the failure. If you choose this action two nights in a row, you gain an Insanity.
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Can you explain your strategy and why we should do it? I think most people are still open to looking at other startegies, so you don't need to assume that we're sheep and don't care what anyone has to say.Adel wrote:fuck it, I'll play it your way, the cult is already down with it so the rest of us sheeple should go along with it.
i heard a noise, and I think it is retarded to be claiming, and people shouldn't be saying if they warded or not, but I didn't ward.
I am especially interested in why you think an investigative approach is better that warding or resuscitate. I think there could be benefit of choosing one over the other because it would eliminate some of the results that are like false positives (an investigator that gets bloody from resuscitate will look like a cultist who participated in the ritual). So there might be some merit to agreeing to choose some actions and not others as a means of making our results more accurate for finding scum. Is this what you were thinking?Talk nerdy to me.
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I think the point is that dram either rolled cult -or- he rolled investigator who will choose to become a murderer. Why are you not thinking about the scenario where dramonic rolled cultist?slysly wrote:I think the dramonic wagon, though understandable, is a bit premature. No one is a murderer yet, but there are scum already. We should be trying to lynch scum, not a later potential 3rd party.
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(viii) Avolition - For three Days, your vote no longer contributes to a lynch. Your vote still shows up in vote counts.animorpherv1 wrote:I heard no noise, did not use ward.
Also, I decided to Launder myself, and I chose Avolition because I essentially, over the period of the game, seem really scummy in every game I play, as well as I always seem to find townies scummy. By day 4, I should have some info to make an informed decision.
You chose to give yourself an insanity?
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I think Ani either stalked last night and is explaining his insanity, or he is a cultist who thought it would be better to claim an insanity now so that when he participates in the ritual later, he has laid the groundwork for his excuse.Talk nerdy to me.
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Quite dumb or anti-town? Are these the only options?Iecerint wrote:I was going to vote EK for challenging Sly on what were quite reasonable reservations with dramwagon, but Ani is sort of crazy. I agree with EK. Either she is quite dumb, or she has an anti-town ulterior motive.Talk nerdy to me.
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I think Drench claimed no noise no ward.
Dram's consipracy theory of cult-ani laundering to look like an investigator seems sort of far-fetched.
I think that if nobody warded VP, that Ani did stalk but he stalked somebody -- not Adel. It would be smart for him to say he stalked the wrong target because then we all watch for Adel to die and Adel doesn't. Somebody else dies but we don't connect it to Ani.
However, I fully expect VP to have been warded because if so, then we have 10 people who heard noises who weren't warded. These people have fetished crafted of them. Meaning we have 5 cultists who crafted 2 fetishes each. The OP said 1/4 scum, which is more like probably 6 cultists in the game. So one cultist was either blocked due to a ward, or they searched for resuscitation kit. That would be my guess.Talk nerdy to me.
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You think it more likely that a cultist sacrificed his night action to launder?
I think it more likely that Ani did stalk Adel, but if he didn't, he stalked somebody else. Claiming a different target seems much more likely since it's a smart thing to do. Meanwhile, a cultist choosing to launder is stupid because it 1)draws unnecessary attention to you, 2)sacrifices other beneficial night actions for you and your team. It seems unlikely that ani would do that even if he is dense because the rest of his team would tell him how stupid it was.Talk nerdy to me.
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I am still a bit torn on the question of lynching Animorpherv. He proved he has an insanity, which means he's probably not cult. I don't buy his whole "I was trying to help the town by turning murderer/vig and stalking Adel." I think he just thought it would be fun to go murderer. I don't trust him in the sense that I think he's not tyring to help the town, and in the sense that he is liable to screw up even if he is trying to help town. For those reasons I don't want him alive.
However, I don't think he's cult. It would be virtually impossible for him to be cult. I think it would have to be the really odd situation dramonic describes where the cult decided it would rather have ani launder himself than craft fetishes (which I really don't think they would choose).
I am tempted to still lynch ani because we know we're getting rid of somebody who is probably trying to screw us and become murder. It's like a sure thing. But he's probably not cult. And it would be better to kill cult, althouth any other lynch probably won't be as sure.
It almost pains me to do this because I don't believe for a minute ANi was trying to help the town.
But
unvote Animorpherv
Because I don't think he's cult. But we are going to have to lynch him in the coming days, I think. I don't want him around to the point he could potentially win as murderer.
@Nicodemus-- what did you think was the point of claiming noises? (Since you didn't seem to understand what exactly makes noise and what does not).Talk nerdy to me.
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You thought there was a big chance thatChaco wrote:
Heh, I was waiting for this question. So, in Stars 1 Dram immediately went for Murderer. It seems Dram-ish. In this game, I thought he would not go down the same path since he utterly failed last time. All murderers did. I expected people to meta Dramonic, and maybe stalk him so I warded him.elvis_knits wrote:Chaco, why did you ward dramonic?
1)People choose to become murderers
2)They meta dram and see that he went murderer and failed last time
3)Assume dram would NOT go murderer this time, and so want to kill him
This is a little...um convoluted.
If people read the other game and noticed dram failed and that all the murderers had a hard time, why would they even try to become murderers?Talk nerdy to me.
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I know you aren't asking me...Iecerint wrote:Ell, would you request a modkill on two (IMO) town-appearing players as a town player for great justice?
I know I would not. However, Sly does not appear to think like other humans
I also want to say that I really dislike Sly's discussion of "vigs" throughout the thread. Nobody should be taking insanities and taking the path of MURDERERS in an effort to "vig" for the town. If you want someone dead that bad, let's lynch them. Because "vigging" is more likely to hit town, and while you're doing it, you're not doing the pro-town investigator actions. And it provides a convenient excuse for murderers.Talk nerdy to me.
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I don't get why you thought he would be a likely target though. For murderers? For cult?Chaco wrote:
I doubt people read it really, so I expected some to target Dram. Simple as that.elvis_knits wrote:If people read the other game and noticed dram failed and that all the murderers had a hard time, why would they even try to become murderers?Talk nerdy to me.
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People trying to be vigs will only screw us for several reasons, which I already said.Chaco wrote:
If anyone commits a murder? How flawed is your logic? I could ONLY kill Dramonic. Have someone use occult books, and stop being impulsive.elvis_knits wrote:Seriously though, if anyone commits a murder, I will lynch you.
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Impulsion will get you no where in this game.
1)More likely to hit town
2)While you're stalking and murdering, you waste 2 nights worth of pro-town actions. You are effectively taking that from the town
3)You make it harder for others to distinguish you from a murderer, increasing the chance that we lynch you
4)Also, you could totally be a murderer faking this "vig" bullshit to explain why you were killing an innocent townie. The excuse is too convenient. And I will not open the door for murderers to use a "vig" excuse.
So, yes, I will totally lynch anyone who commits a murder.Talk nerdy to me.
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WHAT...Chaco wrote:Your assuming, with only meta behind. And Elvis wants to lynchmeisanyonegets murdered. That add up in the slightest? If it does, by all means, please let me know. I wanna be the first.
I would only lynch you if you're responsible for the murder.
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Was this not clear?elvis_knits wrote:Seriously though, if anyone commits a murder, I will lynch you.
Whoever commits a murder gets lynched.
NOT"If any player in the game commits a murder we lynch chaco."Talk nerdy to me.
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...Ellibereth wrote:Ok, fine then I'll set a precedent.
HI EVERYONE, I'M AN IDIOT WHO STALKED N1.
Stalked: Col_Cathart
Insanity: Taboo Launder
I did it while forgetting half the rules. yay me!
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No, really, what were you thinking?Ellibereth wrote:
I blame it onto the lack of a thought process.elvis_knits wrote:
...Ellibereth wrote:Ok, fine then I'll set a precedent.
HI EVERYONE, I'M AN IDIOT WHO STALKED N1.
Stalked: Col_Cathart
Insanity: Taboo Launder
I did it while forgetting half the rules. yay me!
What was your thought process when you chose stalk...?
Even worse my insanity cannot be confirmed like Ani's so I should probably land on the "to be murdered" list of people if we go through with my plan.Talk nerdy to me.
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Wicked -- cultists could craft fetish or search (and perhaps I guess launder?)
Rules wrote:Q: I'm a Cultist. What can I do on Night 0?
A: The first thing you should do is talk to your fellow Cultists in your quicktopic. On the first Night, you should be looking to perform Craft Fetish on multiple targets, as well as choosing Search to get Equipment that will help your side later on (such as a Resuscitation Kit in case you are threatened by Murderers). An important strategy will be faking claims - such as explaining your Insanities, what Night Actions you took and when and how you heard or produced Noise, so discuss this with your Cultist buddies.Talk nerdy to me.
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I still don't really understand the plan... I will go back and try to figure it out but if someone could lay it out in terms that a monkey can understand, I would be grateful.Talk nerdy to me.
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So I don't understand the plan but I am naturally suspicious of any plan formulated by a player who claims they chose stalk last night with no good explanation. And I am naturally suspicious of any plan that turns us all into "vigs" in a game where vigs are really murderers (read THIRD PARTY!).
I know I already asked this before, but I didn't understand phate's answer -- what stops this from becoming a bloodbath? Lots of townVIGs almost always destroys the town.
Granted, I still don't understand the plan...
I'm waiting for somebody to explain in terms a monkey can understand.Talk nerdy to me.
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My problem is how do we know that we are going to hit more than half the cultists? And even if we do, how do we know that a fair amount of the "vigs" won't choose to become murderers?
If we hit half the cult, our ratio of town to scum is still the same, but we've killed half the game and are in the exact same position. So it's functionally useless only now with lower numbers are closer to lylo.
And how do we guard against players becoming murderers? Aren't we just trading less cult for more murderers?Talk nerdy to me.
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The people who I think need to die:
Elli - explanation for why he chose stalk makes no sense to me. Plan is scummy.
Chaco - explanation for warding Dram also makes no sense.
Nico - not understanding the ward action is somewhat suspicious
Iecerint - seems to want to cut of discussion of plans by saying anyone who opposes the plan must be scum
Ani - either scum or dumbtown who is functionally scum
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Wait, VP there is another reason Iecerint is scum.
He wanted to stop discussion of the plan by saying anyone who disagrees or says they don't understand are scum.
Pressures people to agree to plan or take more suspicion onto themselves.Iecerint wrote:The plan is kinda a no-brainer IMO. It is both simple to understand and intuitively simple to implement. The people who either can't understand it or don't think it would work should indicate what is challenging to understand or why it will not work. It looks like people are trying to cast doubt on a clearly-powerful plan because they have no other means of undermining it.Talk nerdy to me.
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Hey, how many peole do you think I can beat on at a time, here? I was getting to you.Chaco wrote:Love how you don't respond afterwards. So are we clear now that Occult Books have a purpose? *thumbs up*
Moving on, I'm gonna reread in a bit.
How is occult books going to help me figure out if you're scum considering I don't have them, and they can only tell me if your insanity is higher than mine?
I do not know what you have going on. You could be a cultist who crafted fetish of dram and then will pass it to him to give him an insanity. You won't get an insanity. You would only get an insanity from performing the ritual. And by the time I f-ing get occult books and check you, you could be like, "oh, I must have been passed a fetish from the cult. I'm still not scum!" Meanwhile I will get an insanity from checking you with the books.
So yeah. I don't like your plan.Talk nerdy to me.
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Iecerint -- I see no reason why town players would blindly accept a plan put forth by a player who admits to stalking last night, a plan which will result in massive death. Players are not allowed to think about this for a while? They are not allowed to be like "that doesn't sound so good to me!" without having all the specific reasons why the plan is bad. You can intuitively know a plan seems off without knowing why. You will notice that I was suspicious from the get-go because stalker-Elli suggested it, and because it involved massive death. I wasn't able to say how that would logistically play out... but it seemed like there was already reason to discuss further and not just accept out of hand.
The way Elli took all agreement to Adel's plan as agreement to his, and the way you tried to immediately assign scumminess to people who didn't immediately accept the plan -- these things made me feel rushed into acceptance.
If Elli is telling the truth about stalking, he wants to win as a murderer.Players who want to win with the town would NOT have chosen stalk last night.They just wouldn't have.
If Elli is lying about stalk, he is cult. I can totally see the motivation for a cult player to "prove" they're not cult by pretending to stalk. Then suggest a plan where they can convince the town to vig themselves.
Either way, Elli is not our friend.
Once more, with feeling:
Players who want to win with the town would NOT have chosen stalk last night. They are either planning to become murderers or they are cultists trying to convince us they aren't cult.Talk nerdy to me.
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AtEIecerint wrote:EK, I'm a bit surprised at you. I can kind of understand VP picking a favorite target and tunneling, even if the timing of his escalation was very suspicious, but your involvement puzzles me. Namely, your explanations of my scuminess are either myopic in ways I do not associate with your play, or hinge on the scuminess of other players.Talk nerdy to me.
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Weren't you saying VP Baltar, and myself are both tunneling on you?Iecerint wrote:EK, I'm a bit surprised at you. I can kind of understand VP picking a favorite target andtunneling, even if the timing of his escalation was very suspicious, but your involvement puzzles me. Namely, your explanations of my scuminess are either myopic in ways I do not associate with your play, or hinge on the scuminess of other players.Talk nerdy to me.
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Can we talk about Ellibereth saying there are 7 cultists?
Ellibereth wrote:25 players, so it's about 18/7 or something like that, right?
25/4=6.25Percy wrote:Cultists, who number approximately one quarter
I had already assumed elsewhere that we have 6. I think Dram did too. Ellibereth varied from an already posted assumption of 6 cultists.
I can't be sure this is a slip, because perhaps Elli rounded up (although, when the number is less than .5, who rounds up?). But I think there is a decent chance here that it's a slip and I want it on the record that this was really weird.Talk nerdy to me.
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I warded DGB because she is my soul sista.
Also I thought she would be a popular target because she is a veteran player, well-known, and dangerous. I could see her being a target of the cult or a stalk... or both. I also hate it when she dies early in games so I wanted to give her a bit more staying-power.Talk nerdy to me.
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I don't think we're doing the "everybody vigs each other" plan anymore. The only plan left is Elli murders CSL tonight.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Thank you! Much appreciated.elvis_knits wrote:I warded DGB because she is my soul sista.
Also I thought she would be a popular target because she is a veteran player, well-known, and dangerous. I could see her being a target of the cult or a stalk... or both. I also hate it when she dies early in games so I wanted to give her a bit more staying-power.
I agree with Ellibereth's plan, whatever it is, if it results in CSL's early demise.
Despite my dislike of investigators turning rogue, I will make an exception for CSL. I have never seen him be anything but a handicap for town.
And iLord is right we can force Elli to take confirmable insanity, which will reassure me he has not turned murderer.
Also, Percy said the NK flavors will reflect whether or not a player died due to murder or ritual, so Elli cannot kill CSL via ritual and pass it off as a murder. If CSL's death flavor is a murder, and Elli takes a confirmable insanity that is not psychopathy, Elli is indeed town.Talk nerdy to me.
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And I think Sarag, dramonic and drench were all in stars alligned 1, which should make them more motivated to play this game, and more helpful with strategy, etc.VP Baltar wrote:Hey, did you know that CSL, Sarag, dramonic, Drench, Hayker, and startransmission are all in this game?
Fun fact of the day.Talk nerdy to me.
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Your question, Iecerint?
You mean the flamer that baited me? Did I unvote you because dgb told me to??
No, I did not unvote you because dgb told me to.
I unvoted you because I think Nico's misunderstanding of the ward power is pretty scummy. Also, Iwas having some doubts that you are scum. However, you have allayed all my fears. Baiting me forunvotingyou is scummy to the max.
1)Your insistence on pushing the scummy plan was bad, but what is worse is how you tried to push people into accepting the plan and accepting it fast. Implying people who don't sign onto the elli plan immediately are either dumb (and shouldn't be listened to) or scum.
2) Your secret scumtell business is scummy. If you can't talk about it, then you can't use it as a reason. A scum can call "secret scumtell" on anyone they want and then say "ongoing game sorry can't explain." You will not get away with that BS with me.Ice wrote:The plan is kinda a no-brainer IMO. It is both simple to understand and intuitively simple to implement. The people who either can't understand it or don't think it would work should indicate what is challenging to understand or why it will not work. It looks like people are trying to cast doubt on a clearly-powerful plan because they have no other means of undermining it.
2a)Then you took back a secret scumtell on seacore because Katy replaced him! Are you buddying Katy or what?
3) Also, you keep character assasinating me. It is very underhanded and scummy. It is a way to neutralize my contributions to this game. I don't apreciate it.
Ice wrote:EK. Either she is quite dumb, or she has an anti-town ulterior motive.Ice wrote:EK, I'm a bit surprised at you. I can kind of understand VP picking a favorite target and tunneling, even if the timing of his escalation was very suspicious, but your involvement puzzles me. Namely, your explanations of my scuminess are either myopic in ways I do not associate with your play, or hinge on the scuminess of other players.Iecerint wrote:
Well, more specifically, your interpretation of my post encouraging people who are confused/"confused"/skeptical/"skeptical" to voice their concerns a bit more explicitly was incredibly myopic, and your lengthy discussion of why Ell is a nasty man was the example that hinged on other players' actions. I thought the events were recent enough that I wouldn't have to cross-supply the posts that explicitly for you.elvis_knits wrote:
AtEIecerint wrote:EK, I'm a bit surprised at you. I can kind of understand VP picking a favorite target and tunneling, even if the timing of his escalation was very suspicious, but your involvement puzzles me. Namely, your explanations of my scuminess are either myopic in ways I do not associate with your play, or hinge on the scuminess of other players.
Youwhinedabout me doing the latter in Nouns mafia not too long ago (we were both town), so it is surprising to see you do as much.
Constant references to me either being dumb or scum, and then your latest reasoning that I am playing so dumb that I cannot be serious, that it is some scum ploy on my part to act deliberately stupid. How is that for WIFOM unsubstantiated reasoning?Elvis wrote:I think EK's reasoning in this game is weaker than in other games I've played with her (including Nouns mafia, where she thought I was scum until midway D2), though, and I think it may be deliberate, so I'm comparatively skeptical about her being town.
I really don't think I have been acting stupid, so stop fucking saying that.Talk nerdy to me.
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You'd be surprised. Some people who are supposed to know me still don't know that I destroy my opposition with flamethrowers and that I put out for bonbons.DrippingGoofball wrote:
That's how I know he's town, if he were scum, he would be sending you flowers and bonbons.elvis_knits wrote:But he's being such a jerk.Talk nerdy to me.
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This is wrong and misleading on a number of levels.Nicodemus wrote:
This is extremely weak. Elvis's reasoning for continuing to push the dramonic wagon is nothing more than "dramonic might have drawn scum"? Sly had already said why he wasn't pursuing the dramonic wagon, but E_K tries to bully him onto it anyway with shoddy reasoning. Seriously, if the only reasoning we need to vote for people is that they "might have drawn scum", well, we might as well just go home now.elvis_knits wrote:
I think the point is that dram either rolled cult -or- he rolled investigator who will choose to become a murderer. Why are you not thinking about the scenario where dramonic rolled cultist?slysly wrote:I think the dramonic wagon, though understandable, is a bit premature. No one is a murderer yet, but there are scum already. We should be trying to lynch scum, not a later potential 3rd party.
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First of all, I wasn't even voting dramonic. So I was hardly pushing the dramonic wagon.
Second of all, I wasn't saying people should vote dramonic because he could have rolled a scum role. Seriously. Look what I wrote. It does not say what you're saying it says.
I was saying:
If he rolled cult, he's scum. If he rolled investigator, he will turn scum. Either way: scum. At the start of the day, I did not mind peole voting on this (as good a reason to start a wagon as any). I think I was even thinking about joining myself. However, it's basically a policy lynch, and I don't feel that policy lynches yield that much info, so I would rather scumhunt, so that I can better judge reactions and such, and have more to go on.elvis wrote:I think the point is that dram either rolled cult-or-he rolled investigator who will choose to become a murderer
Sly's post was mostly about whether he thought dram would turn murderer. Which ignores the other possibility: that dram is cult. I didn't know why sly wasn't thinking of that possibility -- was it because sly already knows who is in the cult (meaning sly is cult)?
I will give a similar example. When I see players looking for a specific type of scum early in a game, they are usually scum themselves. For instance, early in a game, if a player calls another player "the SK" instead of just "scum." This is a signal the accuser is either the SK themselves, or they are mafia looking to lynch the SK. Early in a game, scum are nearly indistinguishable from each other if you're a townie, so getting too specific, or ignoring one type of scum in favor of another is a scumtell.
Now that I have explained why this is a valid scumtell... I feel like I have to also explain that I don't think Sly is scum anymore!
I was picking on something that I thought *might* be a scumtell in the early part of the day, so that I could get more info to better read sly. His answer was something along the lines of "I was not talking about cult because I didn't think anyone else was either... the main argument seemed to be about him going murderer." Which I think is a misunderstanding of the argument, but it's an okay explanation to me. And taken with his other behavior, I don't see him as scum. He seems to be scum hunting and looking out for the town's best interests, and entirely faithful to his world-view, not worried about pissing people off. Scum tend to want to suck up more. So I'm not too worried that Sly is scum.Talk nerdy to me.
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Nico's misunderstanding of the ward action is bad. But I also noticed some things I didn't like in his answers to iLord. Nico is hyper-aware that his actions might be viewed as scummy.
Nico wrote:I guess I did phrase this wrong, but only because I didn't want to be accused of being "too eager" or anything like that.Nico wrote:I knew that making an explanation post could be viewed as scummy, but I thought that if I unvoted with no explanation at all then I would get called out for that. In the end I just decided that more information = good, so I went ahead and put my justification for unvoting.Talk nerdy to me.
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