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I was totally expecting that Come Sail Away link to be the Styx song...which I'm not a huge fan of. Instead it's awesome Donkey Kong music!
I'm starting my semi-flavorless games with Come Sail Away as an homage to Mafia ViPod... where it WAS referring to the Styx song.
Last time the link went to this. ~ViLast edited by Vi on Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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Okay, Ani, so here's the essence what you're getting at:animorpherv1 wrote:Also, Furcolow:
I'm lynching you because I've taken a look in several other games, and you have providedterriblereasoning in every game, and you act even more scummy than I DO.
This is the one policy lynch I support.
1. Furcolow acts scummy as town.
2. Furcolow is in this game and acting scummy.
3. You want to policy lynch him for his behavior, even though he acts this way astown.
4. You want to lynch town.
unvote, vote: animorpherv1
Furcolow has already proven himself to be a VI. Making the distinction between VI-town and VI-scum is hard, although I'm kind of getting town vibes (unfortunately).
Here's where those song quotes come from in the "statuses," by the way - maybe it will help some:
I've Seen Your Face Before My Friend, But I Don't Know if You Know Who I Am:"In The Air Tonight" by Phil Collins
Just Turn Around Now, 'cuz You're Not Welcome Anymore:"I Will Survive" by Gloria Gaynor
All We Are is Dust in the Wind:"Dust in the Wind" by Kansas
You Promised Me Heaven and Put Me Through Hell:"You Give Love a Bad Name" by Bon Jovi
Wastin' Away Again in Margaritaville:"Margaritaville" by Jimmy Buffett
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Vezo, what instances have you seen where a policy lynch worked D1? Links please.
Ani, you obviously don't know how to deal with VI's. Lynching him D1, if you think he's town, is just a complete waste of a lynch and it's a scummy suggestion. Save him for the vig.
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Then we vig him.
Ani, what I don't understand is the meta you use for Furc is Furc'stown meta. You imply that his play there is similar to his play here; transitively, that means you're implying that he's town. Yet, you want to lynch him, and that is scummy to me.
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That's doesn't soundanimorpherv1 wrote:Also, Furcolow:
I'm lynching you because I've taken a look in several other games, and you have providedterriblereasoning in every game, and you act even more scummy than I DO.
This is the one policy lynch I support.anythinglike what you said up here.
@Socrates: Wagon? Sure. Pressure on him will let us know if he's a scum VI or not. Policy lynch, though? Hell no.
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@Socrates: First off, I'm not on the wagon, which you seem to have missed. I don't want him lynched but I'm not fighting actively to diffuse it or anything - it's just an early-day wagon and those are always good. I don't think he has said enough to draw a conclusion, yet, honestly, although I'm leaning towards town. What do you think? Is he town or scum?Socrates wrote:
Oh really? You are riding the policy lynch wagon for reasons of "pressure"? Well, he has gotten his pressure and responded quite clearly. Lets see some conclusions.Friend wrote:@Socrates: Wagon? Sure. Pressure on him will let us know if he's a scum VI or not. Policy lynch, though? Hell no.
Now a question for you: Why do you think Ani is town?
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Townies are more likely to instigate a policy lynch wagon while scumbags are more likely to ride shotgun on them (like you are, not coincidentally). Ani seems to genuinely think that Furc will be a disruption to the town and wants him dead. Regardless of whether his play is optimal or not, his motivations seem genuine to me.
@Furcolow: Who are your top suspects, then, if not SocioPath or vezo? Also, three paragraph policy? Bad idea.-
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Socrates: This post feelsFurcolow wrote:
I actually do not have a main that is better behaved, and I would say that my tone and word choice are not affectations. I had to look up that word. I like it. My play, however, is an affectation. I "play the fool". Good call.Iecerint wrote:@ Furco -- It is my personal interpretation that your unusual style is an affectation, and that you have a main account elsewhere that is better-behaved. Also, even if that's not the case, the flagrancy of those 2 posts after Friend's question look like answer-by-example to me.
I actually have a very good sense of who is scum based on the reactions that I have had so far. Some of the people who are "sitting on the fence" with my play = town. Most of the people who are like the third, fourth, and fifth people to attack me will generally be scum. I use what I've done more than people expect.
I'll give an example: I'll post a list using an RNG. They don't see the reason for me doing things such as trying to lynch using an RNG. They say "using an RNG is scummy, you cannot lynch with an RNG." My reason for doing it isn't under the delusion of actually being able to lynch someone with it, but to gather information based upon how people react to it.justlike VI-town to me. He's posted things similar to this that gave me that impression earlier.
Why is this bad? The wagon isn't going to lead to a lynch on page 5. I'm obviously not trying to distance myself from the wagon, and pressure leads to information which leads to finding scum.Socrates wrote:Thats exactly what I mean by riding shotgun on the wagon. You aren't going to push the wagon, but yay pressure!
This is a complete cop-out. You acted like the wagon had reached the point where we could draw conclusions from his reactions, and then you provide none. I find that scummy.Socrates wrote:As for furc's alignment, I think everything he has done so far he would probably do regardless of alignment. He's frazzled and getting pushed around by the other players. This wagon is dumb, but not the kind of dumb that says anything about his alignment. Unless you are scum, in which case he is town.
This is exactly what I said about ani, and you dismissed it and called ani town. What is the difference between Sebguer and ani?Socrates wrote:
Yes. Mislynching, always a plus.Sebguer wrote:Because lynching either is a plus?
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I am admitting that I'm not trying to distance myself from the wagon. I've said I support the wagon. That's the opposite of distancing.
The only meta ani had of Furc was his TOWN META. That means that he had only seen Furcolow acting scummy AS TOWN.Plum wrote: Ani never said Furcolow acts scummy as Town; he said that he provides poor reasoning and acts scummy across the board. He never said Furcolow acting scummy = Furcolow Town. The implication made, that Ani had reason to believe that Furcolow was, due to his behavior, Town, is completely illegitimate.-
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Okay. I didn't get that impression from your post but that's fine - just a difference of opinion, I suppose.Socrates wrote:I knew you would say this. I am NOT the one that intimated that wagons are productive. In fact, I specifically said that I think such attitudes are bologna, and me demanding content from you is me calling you out on such bullshit.
Be less out-in-the-open. Use less AtE. Not say things like this:Socrates wrote:Could you please attempt to articulate this impression more clearly? An important question to make such an articulation easier: What do you think a scum-VI would do differently?
Not take such huge risks in the early game. Try to appease the town. Wagon aimlessly. Look at drmyshottyizsik's play here for a beautiful example of VIscum. Furc is not playing like that.Furcolow wrote:I'm also not saying "i am not be scum this game", because that is pointless. You all don't know whether or not I am scum. I can try to convince you all through my play, but that has been failing so far.
Would you all rather me 1) stop taking the spotlight as a town, and potentially get mislynched through not defending myself as actively?
2) continue taking the spotlight, and posting like I am?
I didn't say you did, but you sure acted like that quote he said was scummy. Otherwise, what were you trying to point out?Socrates wrote:I never once said that Sebguer was scum.
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@Beefster: That was a fairly useless post. Just read to me like you wanted to look at the players with suspicion on them and throw down FoSes. That's bogus.
Furc has never been scum on MS. Therefore, ani had not seen his scum meta - in fact, he even later asked for it specifically.Plum wrote:When you made that post, the bit you commented on, Ani had mentioned Furc's meta in general. He said "I'm lynching you because I've taken a look in several other games, and you have provided terrible reasoning in every game, and you act even more scummy than I DO." He made no mention of whether Furc had been Town, scum, or a mix in those several games from which the meta had been drawn. He implied no likeliness of Furc to be Town in consideration of his play, only that he consistently provided poor reasoning and acted scummy.
Sigh. I don'tPlum wrote:Saying that you're supporting the wagon while also screaming 'but I'm not actually voting him!' screams distancing from something which you are actually actively pushing.reallysupport the wagon anymore, as I think we've gleaned enough from it. If it turned into a situation where we were ready to lynch Furcolow this early in the game, I would take a definitive stance against it.
@Socrates: I find that notion (of wanting to lynch Furc no matter what his alignment) scummy. I'm not misinterpreting his intentions.-
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Either they're scumbuddies or he's distancing himself from a possible mislynch to gain "town cred" if Beefster indeed is town.Plum wrote:What's the scum motivation for defending Beefster?
You're missing what I said earlier, though. I said if I felt the wagon was going to lead to a lynch, I would try to stop it actively - I know I can't "prove" that necessarily but it's true nonetheless.Socrates wrote: Comparatively, with Friend's play, I am coming from the latter perspective. I believe his earlier play had hints of dissonance with regards to his stances on Ani and Furcolow. His stance (Thinks Ani is scummy, but still supporting the Furc wagon) was a useful one as scum if both Furc and ani happened to be town, because if the wagon goes through (which was semi-likely, as Furc was rapidly digging his own hole at the time and gaining votes), he is well placed to attack the primary cause of the mislynch, thus a scum Friend would want the wagon to continue, but by only supporting the wagon indirectly and staying off of it himself, if the wagon fails to go through, he would be relatively safe from any fallout from that wagon. The dissonance comes in when his stances didn't make much sense from a town perspective, in my opinion. He thinks pressure on Furc was a good thing and wanted the wagon to continue, but was unwilling to participate in the wagon himself, and not only that, but he thought the primary pusher of the wagon was himself scum. His play doesn't make a lot of sense from town, but does make a lot of sense from scum.
Well, for one, if he was town, maybe he would try to formulate arguments and opinions of his own instead of sheeping on the general mindset of the town. You're acting like scum can never say things that show laziness or disinterest in the game, which is what he did, essentially.Socrates wrote:So the simple question is this: What has Beefster done that he would not do if he was town? Even if someone makes the argument that his statements are not a legitimate means of contribution, that is largely irrelevant because Beefster himself MUST think that what he is posting holds weight even IF he is scum or he would not have posted it in the first place.-
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I was going to make an EBWOP to this effect, but I didn't feel like it. Plum asked me for the SCUM MOTIVATION behind defending Beefster. So, I was assuming that Socrates was scum in that response, which I'm not saying is true.AGar wrote:Or... he doesn't think it's a good lynch? Why does every time someone opposes a lynch have to be scum-driven? Should all townies mindlessly bandwagon based off of what one or two people say?
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He's also not just saying "here's scum: x, y, z," with those players happening to be the ones who suspected him. He's using reasons, however poor as they may be (and they are quite poor) to "prove" why players x, y, and z are scum.Friend wrote:Furcolow = VI
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Oh no I went to breakfast! My god I must be scum!
Gears of War Mafia. My brother was in that game.
@Iece: What about said post convinced you of my scumminess?-
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That's just honestly not true.
Events of the day:
1. Wake up
2. Walk dogs
3. Go on MS
4. Post a couple things
5. Go to breakfast
6. Come back and see that you think I'm somehow still on the computer, which is honestly ridiculous.
PS you can PM MeMe about the brother thing. I talked to her when I registered. Deer/Karma is my brother (they're alts ooh).-
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Wait what are you talking about, one minute?
I posted 257 and I left. That's it. I didn't stick around.
WHAT A COINCIDENCE.
Your entire argument is based on me leaving my house at a certain time in REAL LIFE and calling you "not a VI." Then you yell at me and the town to try and get me lynched for completely BULLSHIT reasons.
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Oh I don't think I ever responded to this. That's not why you're scum. You're scum because you came in 8 pages in to the game and your post was "OMG ani policy lynch vote: ani" without anything else behind it. Also for saying AtE is scummy and using it yourself.mothrax wrote:So let me get this straight, I am scum because I called a player out for pushing a policy lynch on D1, which is something that is scummy, and for calling someone out on AtE? Really? Awesome craplogic guys.
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This game is turning out to be way more frustrating than expected.
Socrates, thoughts on mothrax? He's been hypocritical, active-lurky, and a whole lot scummier than I feel I have been.
I understand your point about Fate but he'snotan unfamiliar character as I said earlier. He's getting on my nerves cause he's tunneling and rude and making up stuff about me being/not being online, but I can see how it could come from both Fate-town and Fate-scum.-
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I'm starting to find Wraith pretty scummy at this point actually. He's asked why there's a Friend wagon so many times, it feels like soft distancing from the wagon without putting his whole effort into diffusing it; so when I flip town he can gain "town cred."
Furcolow is really town to me at this point.
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