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Oh cool day 1 start.
So we could totally have this talking about double lynch/powers/etc for a while but it's not going to be useful until later in the day.
Mostly because if I start a duel for a LIMITED TIME ONLY (read:today) it doesn't end the day.
So basically today is going to go either "lynch"->double lynch/single lynch with someone getting a cool dueling power. It could also theoretically be two double lynches or double to single but I would have to die and that would make me sad.
Aaaaaaanyway.
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Personally I don't think all this is actually helpful but maybe some other people can get some reads out of this mess.
1) Should duels be a town consensus or based on an individuals confidence in their reads/need for power?
-It absolutely needs some restraints from other players- if the player doesn't have a chance of getting lynched without the duel mechanic-
another way to put this is the majority of the town thinks they're leaning town or a solid chunk of players has a strong town read on them, then you put your read in check and don't duel them. Or make a case to see if you can convince some naysayers, and if you sway most of them Then duel them. (exception for if you're getting lynched and the other has been agreed to get a power or something)
-If there's 2 or 3 major candidates for the noose and you like noosing #2 better than #1 to the point that you're willing to go down with them, that's fine.
-If almost everyone thinks someone is scum to the point that there isn't going to be another lynch that day, don't fuck it up. (feel free to look up benmage in Faraday's Storm of Swords for an example of this)
-If you make your first post of the day a duel, then I will literally kill you. Wait for other people to show up to make sure there isn't role info around.
2) I don't know the flavor. Just from number of players+duel mechanic I'm expecting either 1 scumteam of 5 or 2 of 3.-
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DeityKabuto wrote:In a duel, are you forced to accept the person who challenges you?
Yes.
@Juls- I'd be pretty okay with that except dueling would have to happen at L-2 instead of L-1, otherwise scum could just self-hammer to avoid giving any info/powers out to town. And if there are two very scummy people or one and an uberlurker we can always just add in a double lynch and go back to giving a power with every lynch.-
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Iec I thought that 4 scum might be balanced TOTAL until Spy said that the duel could be a double lynch instead of just a force-lynch 1 person deal.
There's just waaaaaaay too much potential for snowballing effects with 2 scumteams that big and one or two potentially poor town decisions. If Spy put in that many scum on each team (I COULD see 2 of 3+a SK) then I will send Spy like 20 pictures of my avatar glaring at him post game.
I don't really see how what I did was cautious and am ever so slightly hurt by the implication that I'm not fun but the rest of myko's post is pretty cool.-
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So I'm having a harder time getting into this game than I'm used to but I do have a few reads I can share.
Elvis is I think the best choice for me to duel. The very early game/pregame stuff with her arguing with AGM isn't that scummy, but she's definitely stretching what AGM says to make her argument look better. At the time I could see town doing that if they were really convinced in their argument and wanted to be right no matter what but her post #65 is enormously terrible.
elvis_knits wrote:So far I see:
Scummiest:
Myko for wanting to charge in and duel
AlmasterG for convoluted reasoning why we should not let majority rule
Maxous for promoting the idea that if we "trust" someone we give them free reign to duel
Amrun 59 gives me slight scum twinge by saying he was calling bastard scum as a "joke"
It has been my experience that in games like this where there are strategies that CLEARLY benefit scum, and some people push these strategies, THEY ARE SCUM.
vote myko
Look at the reasons for suspecting Max and Amrun.
She takes a basic summary what they say and adds little finger quotes to it to try and make what they're saying look worse. There's absolutely no other reason to do that and it's not objective or analytical at all.
[quote="Myk]elvis wrote:I STRONGLY disagree with allowing any supposedly obvtown minority to have more control over duels than others. That reads to me like a recipe for disaster. One reason is scum can sometimes fool us, you know. Another reason is that letting everyone participate equally lets you see who is making scummy moves.
This is becoming a standard scumtell for me. Scum's biggest fear is suddenly being opposed by a large block of townies who have found each other. The above is only stating what you shouldn't trust anybody. [/quote]
This is absolutely right- I've seen it quite a bit in chat mafia games when scum don't have anything or don't want to contribute with reads- Instead it's fairly common that they just ask the active players questions about their town reads to try and look active and spread doubt on who's scum.
elvis wrote:
I have no knowledge of the flavor of this game, and I am glazing over about it. Did Magister Ludi make a slip? If yes, I would not be surprised as his play this far seemed scummy already.
And yeah this is terrible.
A few extra reads-
Mykon is pretty clearly town with his 184
Bastard is being useless and needs some actual content
Ludi's initial "people who wonder about 2 scumteams are scum, here's some possible scumteams" is pretty bad but I don't think the rest of his posts are.-
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Vi wrote:
Gammagooey 194... Appraisal of Magister Ludi's scumminess outside realistic parameters. More thorough explanation sought.
Derfherf gut herfderf.
Really though I could see Magister as scum but aside from his flavor thing I don't think his posts have been more likely to come from scum than town. My read on him is basically slightly scummier than null.-
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B4574rD Br05 wrote:Gamma, I dislike your jokey first few posts from pages ago. I see you are being cut slack due to the claim, but at the time, the game moved past the non-serious portion. Why did you not bother to help AGM and elvis_knits with their ideas, or express difference to them?
I'm getting slack from the claim? I thought it was because I was the sexiest person here.
Why did I not contribute to the elvis/AGM yellfest 2011? Mostly because I care very little about how people get lynched. Significantly more important is who is getting lynched. There's also the small thing about elvis responding to an invisible ghost that takes AGM's words and changes them into saying that AGM is king and decider of obvtown, lynches, and all things, but it's mostly the not caring thing.-
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Godamnit Vi come in here and tell her you're doing a robot thing to be funny.
Seriously this is a game about medieval japan, a robot post restriction makes less than no sense.
And it's more that for him to say that it's fake he would have to consider that it's real but seriously it's a fake post restriction.-
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Uh Ray did you miss this from Juls?- http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p3068348
It's not strictly reads but it's pretty close.-
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Oh hey so I'm done driving and I'm rereading this whole game
AND SUDDENLY I'M NOT TERRIBLE AT IT ANYMORE.
Magister Ludi wrote:Each [context-scum team] probably interact favorably with duels somehow
Explain why you think this please.
You guys all get presents in the form of reads once I'm done with the rest of this.-
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Okay fine don't tell me.
READS LIST.
guyz, Town
Rayfrost
AGM
Juls
Myk
Leaning Town
Max
C-Worl
DUM (maybe i'm a sucker for people saying I'm town/agreeing with my reads. But I don't want him dead right now)
inhims (added since recent posts, though I don't agree with Ray-scum)
Is a robot
Vi
Iffy
A bunch of people
Also magister
The hells
Bastard Bros
Not likely scum with elvis but otherwise noose isn't bad
Amrun (also if he's scum Greyice isn't)
Dead today plz
elvis
Other Stuff-
Iec gets a special mention down here because of super-hard tunneling for a pretty mediocre reason - If there ARE two teams I'm willing to bet that he's on the other trying to get down a member of the other team early on.
Bastard I would put as very likely scum if Magi is scum- stalling the wagon on Magi makes perfect sense for newbiescum, and it seems Really weird that he thinks the day is going fast when we're pretty much the slowest mafia site there is.-
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Yeaaaah I'm not dueling anyone yet.
I AM setting a deadline for "today's lynch" though- my duel will happen by saturday night at the latest so we have 2 days to kill it, 1-2 days to go over anything from the flip, then 1-2 days to do the next duel.
If someone gets to L-2 ala Juls' plan they have enormously high chances of being my duel.
Otherwise I'm just gonna choose whichever I think is best out of the wagons. (this is currently elvis.)
tl;dr: If you want someone to die WAGON THEM HARDER (better faster stronger)
Cases are nice too but not required.-
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Max wrote:By the way Gammagooey if you feel using your power today would require a lynch to be rushed through you can always save it for day 2.
Doesn't work that way. It's happening today.
I would actually really REALLY love to see elvis and Magister die at the same time just because I have monstrous doubts that they would both be town but I can only duel one of them and still have the day continue so I have to choose things.-
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ToastyToast wrote:
Thanks Gamma for being so vocal regarding me in this game. You really responded well to my post when I said I was getting frustrated by people who suspected me without saying why. Lets look at what you've said about me!
But seriously you've said it's antitown like 4 times without saying why that particular brand of antitown is more likely to come from scum than town.-
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@Toast-Oh that's not the only thing that I'm voting you for. I can make a big case if you'd like but if I put that much effort into it I'm PROBABLY going to just use it to push your lynch for the next day and a half.
So, your choice.
Hey Vi does knowing that every other person on the Amrun wagon is also on your list as Scum level #etc alter your perception of his lynch at all? Because if I had those reads (and I do have a decent number of those reads) he would look like designated mislynch #1.-
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I'm hereby declaring the previous page (24) "The sexiest thus far in this game" and pointing out that Toasty is at L-4 if I can count correctly.
(I usually can't, so go check yourself to be sure after the next vote)
The main thing that I got personally from Iecrint's posts are that I should go reread the elvis/AGM early thing. And also since Ludi isn't getting dead right now unless someone else comes in with SUPERARGUMENTS he gets to be a pseudo-vote on Toasty. (yes there's other important stuff for later but it's not immediately relevant to the current situation)
The only other big wagon right now is on DUM (everyone else has 3 votes or less after you count all the vote-moves), and the only town read I have on there is Max and he's also okay with a Toasty lynch.
Given all that and respectfully disagreeing with Vi on Toasty, I would like Toasty to claim. Lez do dis.-
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Vi if that's real then I wish you could have waited until after Toasty's fate is decided but as long as it doesn't end the day I can deal with that.
Now for a song while I wait to see what the hell is going on.-
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If Redcoyote was third party like I think then it doesn't change anything, if he was actually scum Toasty is slightly more likely scum for that RedCoyote's vote on him
(it looks exactly how I think a late bus would go down- try to add in a good point or two for credz while getting on the wagon even though getting off the other was kinda iffy given RC's reads), and Toasty's basically claimed VT. Regarding the whole Zheng He flavor thing I think that if it's a fakeclaim it's a SpyreX-given fakeclaim so Toasty choosing it for some reason would be inapplicable and that he might not have wanted to make up an ability and risk getting caught with a counterclaim or poor choice of an active ability name, so I can see him going for a VT claim as scum.
Bam.
Duel: ToastyToast
I did want Deity to answer why Pierce didn't go through and kill Toasty if it was just because another daykill was before it, but we can just use it later today barring shenanigans.-
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The only reason I would not duel you is if he said it was a delayed kill that isn't mentioned in any flavor/to the recipient/etc. Which I don't think would be the case, and also leads to the question of why would he use it on a guy that was probably going to die that day without it.
Toasty I think pretty much everyone has a D.) ability. And I'd bet some pretty decent money that you wouldn't win a duel throughout this game so functionally you're a VT.-
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