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In post 34, glowball wrote:Damn.
Mmkay, I like a Quilford wagon since he's got so much, yet so little to say
VOTE: Quilford
Ahhh, I am torn so much on Quilford when I play him, I can not stand him and his play style 99% of the time legit. But he does this a lot regardless of alignment, maybe slightly more so as town. In saying that I will push him to actually explain his reads as he always skates by doing this.-
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Quick heads up - Going to be about less over the next few days until things get settled. . I start a new college course in the morning. Won't be about tomorrow evening as I am going for a midnight launch of Call of Duty MW3. Going to play things slow with the new course on MS until I can figure out how to balance things out schedule wise when I get my class schedule tomorrow.-
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In post 59, zoraster wrote:It's an attempt at making it easier to read. it alternates blue and purple. Not voting is in dark red
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In post 82, Sotty7 wrote: was pretty bad.
Jason's xvart vote was terrible but his posting after that feels more townish to me, so we'll see where that goes.
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In post 85, Sotty7 wrote:l tell. But you were all over it like it was a massive thing. I don't see it. I think you blew it up.
Jason, I feel you over justified a throw away random vote, just twinged my gut which is why I voted you. I like to figure you out ASAP so I know if we can team up to destroy the world or not.
HAHA OK then. I know you always like to try and figure me out early. I usually put some comment in the random vote as to why, sometimes whitty, sometimes looking deadly serious.
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In post 127, Amrun wrote:
Every single post of Jason's has struck me the wrong way, starting from his painfully awkward over-explained RVS to the fence rending his ass over the Quilford wagon. He states his thoughts on the Quilford wagon and then asks C.E.S. to explain - it read like "o hai i can get on wagon plz?" to me.
Given I stated Quil is more likely to do this as town.. I doubt how asking someone to explain their suspicions on Quil is me looking to try and get on the wagon.
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In post 131, Amrun wrote:In post 129, jasonT1981 wrote:In post 127, Amrun wrote:
Every single post of Jason's has struck me the wrong way, starting from his painfully awkward over-explained RVS to the fence rending his ass over the Quilford wagon. He states his thoughts on the Quilford wagon and then asks C.E.S. to explain - it read like "o hai i can get on wagon plz?" to me.
Given I stated Quil is more likely to do this as town.. I doubt how asking someone to explain their suspicions on Quil is me looking to try and get on the wagon.
Nice try but fail.
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In post 126, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:For the most part, yes. I get more serious as the game progresses.
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In post 160, lewarcher82 wrote:
You unvote me, and tonight I will visit someone who will claim to have a dog (no full claim required, any dog will do)
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In post 164, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Since when? It's a good plan. Pie'd be proud.
Unvote, vote: jason
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I do think like Sotty said, Xvert is reaching. Many people post early reads (gut or otherwise) saying X is town, Y is scum just from the RVS and the fact he seems set on pushing Quil and Sotty on this is strange. I am keeping my vote on for now until he starts making sense and stops tunnelling this issue.-
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In post 260, glowball wrote:
Nothing in there says "vig" it just says he kills or gets killed. Aside from the kill factor nothing is even slightly "vigish". It's weak rolecop at best. I mean it's pretty obv that he's third party especially considering his claim says NOTHING about hamsters and rodents can be pets. WHAT THEN?!?!?!?!
It has a killing element to it, it is similar to a vig.
In post 263, Sotty7 wrote:Oh dear...
Any role that claims to be able to kill another player can be generally referred to as a vig. Yes he hasn't claimed that he is a straight up vig, but to say he is a strange kinda role cop is just all sorts of wrong.
Role cops don't kill people.
Vigs kill people.
Correct, role cops get roles/allignments
In post 264, Untrod Tripod wrote:serial killers and mafia also kill people. but with that claim there's no way he's an SK. .
Why, he could be SK only telling lies to make him look vig like.
In post 268, Kublai Khan wrote:
Lewarcher82: "Gosh, I'm still alive. I don't know what happened, Mafia must have either roleblocked me or maybe glowball was lying about her dog-claim."
too much WIFOM.
what are your reads though?
In post 278, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:I see no reason to assume scum have a roleblocker.
on day 1, how could you?
In post 282, Amrun wrote:In post 281, glowball wrote:You would have to believe part of his claim. I don't believe it at all, it doesn't account for multiple pets or pets other than cats/dogs.
Then that will sort itself out... It's not a claim that makes sense to lynch today. I will oppose it until the eventual end of the day.
Agreed, let night actions resolve etc. Do not like how glowball is pushing this.
In post 283, glowball wrote:
Anti town is ANTI TOWN. I'd rather not run someone else up Day 1 and that person claim something that isn't "a claim that makes sense to lynch today". Lewarcher might be scum, he might be SK what is obv is that he isn't town and that's better than potentially lynching a townie to see what happens.
While I agree, anti-town is anti-town, it makes sesne to eliminate scum and take out their powers first and their numbers first, a SK is only one person. Scum is multiple and can chat at night and gonig for scum first weakens that.. really not liking glowball.
In post 287, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:In post 285, Kublai Khan wrote:I'll unvote and sheep you if you can give me a plausible explanation for why town-lewarcher82 would have said the above now that you know his full claim.
'Cause it's true.
Need a bit more than that.....
In post 290, Quilford wrote:You guys are going to have to endure srs Quilford this game because of xvart. >___>
Let's consult the facts.
1.zoraster posted that alignment was randomised. That means that people with a specific animal as their pet won't all be the same alignment unless random.org determined otherwise, which is highly improbable.
2.lewarcher claimed to be a role who dies when he targets dogs and kills his target when he targets cats. That means lewarcher kills cats regardless of alignment.
Because he is killingregardless of alignment, it only makes sense that he is self-aligned..
No, scum can do this and so can town vig.
In post 291, Amrun wrote:In post 290, Quilford wrote:Because he is killing regardless of alignment, it only makes sense that he is self-aligned.
So vigilante kills usually just don't happen if they target town, huh?
Said it better, than what I meant to say above.
In post 293, Quilford wrote:I'm sorry, you guys seem to be ignoring that he apparently targets pets arbitrarily.
you do have a point, but he does not know (for the most part) what he is targetting.
So far I believe Amrun is coming across town, as isQuil, really not sure what I make of claim, I don't think it is scum,. town and telling truth, or 3rd party. Right now we should let night actions resolve N1 and look for scum not 3rd party until later.
In post 299, Ghostlin wrote:In post 296, Amrun wrote:For the record, I'm not arguing that he is town. I'm arguing that his alignment cannot yet be determined for sure and that he is not the smartest lynch for today.
Why would you leave a third party role like SK alive on Day 1?
Because scum have greater numbers, and can talk. Better to cut one of the heads of first. SK is on his own if he is SK, no one to plan with etc.
In post 301, Amrun wrote:In post 299, Ghostlin wrote:In post 296, Amrun wrote:For the record, I'm not arguing that he is town. I'm arguing that his alignment cannot yet be determined for sure and that he is not the smartest lynch for today.
Why would you leave a third party role like SK alive on Day 1?
You can lynch SK day 1, but if you never lynch scum after that, you still lose. It's much better to lynch SCUM. An SK lynch is a very-little-information flip. Town can harness him to do their bidding under threat of death, as well. If he disobeys, he dies.
For example, tonight, we can tell him who to target.
this, why waste a lynch, when it is very much testable in night.
In post 304, Untrod Tripod wrote:In post 299, Ghostlin wrote:In post 296, Amrun wrote:For the record, I'm not arguing that he is town. I'm arguing thathis alignment cannot yet be determinedfor sure and that he is not the smartest lynch for today.
Why would you leave a third party role like SK alive on Day 1?
your logic:
we cannot prove he's town therefore he MUST be scum
ladies and gentlemen, it's the argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy in the wild! shh! don't disturb it or it will run away and we can't make fun of it.
this....
In post 306, Sotty7 wrote:
This is probably the most compelling case on why we should lynch Lew, his behavior leading up to and after the claim is just terrible. Making excuses to keep him alive "just in case" seem poor when Lew himself isn't willing to actually do anything to help the town.
Yes, this is an intent to hammer.
While it is a good case, I disagree, I don't believe Lew to be scum.
In post 308, Untrod Tripod wrote:ftr I think if lew flips scum, Ghostlin comes out looking worse than Amrun. Amrun's reactions look like misguided town to me.
Ghost is coming out looking worse anyway regardless.
In post 309, Sotty7 wrote:I also hate that the last page or so has been heavy in the set up spec. I feel Lew is totally distracting us all from scum hunting and instead we'll bicker about "optimal strategies".
agreed on this, it has taken away from scum hunting, and scum are no doubt loving it assuming Lew isn't scum.
urgh... fuck.
In post 323, Ghostlin wrote:In post 301, Amrun wrote:You can lynch SK day 1, but if you never lynch scum after that, you still lose. It's much better to lynch SCUM. An SK lynch is a very-little-information flip. Town can harness him to do their bidding under threat of death, as well. If he disobeys, he dies.
For example, tonight, we can tell him who to target.
And you can lynch all the scum players you want, but you don't lynch a hostile third party role, town still loses.
Why are we having this conversation? I'm not even heavily invested in if he's an SK or not, I believe he's scum.
Yes, but lynhing scum first over 3rd party makes sense. As I have stated before.
In post 327, Kublai Khan wrote:
@Cogito Ergo Sum - Why are you so terrible at this game? Why waste a governance on someone who is clearly scum and you would lynch tomorrow anyways?
While it confused me at first, makes sense in a way, lt night actions resolve, find out who he targetted, match up to a dog/cat and look elsewhere. If the person he targets claims dog, and he isn't dead, we know he is lying. I don't believe the govorn still though.
agreed, but the less he knows, the better chance we have of testing it in the night and findign out the truth
In post 336, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:You do realize this entire discussion has been made moot by my governing lew, right?
EXCEPT HE HAD NOT BEEN LYNCHED, AND GOVORN POWERS ONLY COME IN, IN TWILIGHT WHEN THE LYNCH HAS HAPPENED.
In post 351, Llamarble wrote:He could also be town. I just don't really think he's an SK.
yiou are very quiet, like you are hiding away. this also seems very wishy washy stance on the situation.
Any reasons, there is a lot going on, you are gettign very suspicious with your lack of content.
In post 373, xRECKONERx wrote:In post 372, Amrun wrote:Not in this case, nope.
Okay Amrun is town but we should ignore her anyway
agreed on town part. but not the second
In post 375, glowball wrote:WHY ISN'T LEW LYNCHED?!?!?!?!
Come on guys. Just lynch him and be happy!
Glowball coming in, ignoring everything and calling for lynch... yea... scummy
In post 376, Amrun wrote:He's been governed...
no, he wasnt at the required votes (i dont beleive)
In post 380, glowball wrote:Amrun, you seem different...
In post 386, glowball wrote:In post 384, Amrun wrote:In post 380, glowball wrote:Amrun, you seem different...
How so? I didn't let them lynch your arguably worse claim in Modern Family mafia, either. 'Cause it's dumb.
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That's true, but your attitude seems off.
again nothing from glow..
In post 396, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:In post 392, Vi wrote:So CES totally has one post to clarify whether he actually governed lewarcher, since zoraster didn't visibly register anything. I'll pay my end forward.
Apparently, zorzor is a stickler for using the provided syntax.
Governate: lewarcher
again, not required aount of votes.
In post 423, Llamarble wrote:Don't like Quilford "Pretty sure glowball is scum if lewarcher is scum."
Quilford's overall approach feels town though. My vote isn't placed well. FIXFIXFIX
I LOVE CAFFEINE
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I'll hammer him if I can really really convince myself he's scum.
aain, nothing...
OK, the govorn is lies... one main reason, none of the times Lew was at Lynch, it was always -1 or -2.
are you even playing, or trollign?
caught up reads
Town reads
Amrun
Quilford
Tripod
Leaning town
Sotty
Null/Unsure
Vi
Reck
Leaning scum/Scummy/3rd party
Lew
Cogito
Scum
llamarble
Ghostlin
Glowball
with all that said, llamarble is doing nothing, ghost is being very scummy glowball is uber scummy. I could go on either one of these 3, and test Lew claim in night.
vote:Glowball
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In post 428, VP Baltar wrote:Jason - I don't know what your actual position on lewarcher is since you vacillate throughout that post. Is he town or scum?
I don't get why you think Ghostlin is scum either, can I get the sparknotes version of that?
Neither on instinct, I believe him to be 3rd party but not worth the lynch. We can cut a head of scum and weaken them, rather than lynch a role that can end up killing itself in the night.
Ghostlin has just been giving me bad vibes, nothing substancial to go on, but worth looking at down the line. Glowball, and llamarble would be my best two picks for hitting scum.
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Because, he does not know who he is targetting (cat or dog)
We can get him to tell us tomorrow (if alive) who he targetted if a cat did not die. And then match that up to whatever his claimed target says. If person targetted says they are a dog, then boom... we lynch.
Today though, I would rather lynch who I feel is scum. Not 3rd party. Scum get benefit of talking in night, planning etc... cutting scum off first is essential. 3rd party only has themselves to talk and plan with... hence scum is the bigger threat.-
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In post 433, VP Baltar wrote:In post 432, jasonT1981 wrote:We can get him to tell us tomorrow (if alive) who he targetted if a cat did not die. And then match that up to whatever his claimed target says. If person targetted says they are a dog, then boom... we lynch.
he would be dead. this makes no sense.
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there were vote counts and no mention of it from the mod after this...
In post 438, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Of course my govern works outside of twilight. Zorzor's just being a syntax nazi; he'll tell you all about in the next VC.
So I don't believe this.
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Alright, but why have your reads reversed after the night? any reasons you care to give?
In post 451, Llamarble wrote:
Scum:
Jason - II had town on him early but I was totally wrong. 135, 161, the quote striping post is just amazing and the glowball vote is :terrible:
Would Jason make that level of wall as scum / town?
Just to respond to this now as I didnt get to do this before night fall D1.
1) Yes, I would do it regardless of alignment, it is called a catch up post, given I was away due to personal issues for the best part of last week there had been a lot going on.
2) My vote on glowball was terrible? hmmmm I do recall naming Glowball as one of my top scum suspects. How is it then horrible?
I also noticed this, again seemignly protecting Glowball
Yea, I am now quite happy there is a connection between Glowball/Llamarable. I had both as scum yesterday. I still want to take a look at Ghostlin also today.
vote: Llamarable.
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Alright, looking at glowball/Llamarble connection, I begin with Llamarble
In post 204, Llamarble wrote:In post 44, lewarcher82 wrote:In post 35, glowball wrote:Also, this is petsPick!
Tell me about your actual pets, no details of course. Just sharing, I'll go first. I have a puppy she's about 1.5 years and I LOVE HER she is fluffy and adorable!
This is a terrible idea. This equates you claiming a fluffy and adorable puppy. How is it possible that you do not realise this? And besides, this is fishing. Say that someone tells you that his dog is a German Shepherd who can find anything when he follows his nose. You will just assume that this person is likely a cop. Now I am forced to wonder which one is the explanation of your behaviour. (1) Reckless town - who just won the "VI of the game" trophy despite quil's efforts or (2) fishy scum.
If knowing who cats are gives you vigging powers, wouldn't that be grounds for species-claim?
Here defending Glowballs call for claims.
In post 212, Llamarble wrote:In post 115, glowball wrote:In post 43, Amrun wrote:posting to say I exist but not reading this game til tomorrow
It's tomorrow, and you're the only one not voting and neither is "roxi" so I'm assuming the vote belongs to you?
IDK... care to comment on this?
Hahaha truly you are fishy mcfisherwoman.
And 'oh man I'll own the VI label!' can be read as "YES! AN EXCUSE TO BE ANTI-TOWN."
Glowball is town.
defence of Glow again, calling her town.
More defending of Glow
In post 451, Llamarble wrote:
Jason - II had town on him early but I was totally wrong. 135, 161, the quote striping post is just amazing and the glowball vote is :terrible:
now to look at Glowball...Glow has made no mention of Llamarble the entire game, nor made any reference to any Llamarble posting, quotes from Alright, looking at glowball/Llamarble connection, I begin with Llamarble
In post 204, Llamarble wrote:In post 44, lewarcher82 wrote:In post 35, glowball wrote:Also, this is petsPick!
Tell me about your actual pets, no details of course. Just sharing, I'll go first. I have a puppy she's about 1.5 years and I LOVE HER she is fluffy and adorable!
This is a terrible idea. This equates you claiming a fluffy and adorable puppy. How is it possible that you do not realise this? And besides, this is fishing. Say that someone tells you that his dog is a German Shepherd who can find anything when he follows his nose. You will just assume that this person is likely a cop. Now I am forced to wonder which one is the explanation of your behaviour. (1) Reckless town - who just won the "VI of the game" trophy despite quil's efforts or (2) fishy scum.
If knowing who cats are gives you vigging powers, wouldn't that be grounds for species-claim?
Here defending Glowballs call for claims.
In post 212, Llamarble wrote:In post 115, glowball wrote:In post 43, Amrun wrote:posting to say I exist but not reading this game til tomorrow
It's tomorrow, and you're the only one not voting and neither is "roxi" so I'm assuming the vote belongs to you?
IDK... care to comment on this?
Hahaha truly you are fishy mcfisherwoman.
And 'oh man I'll own the VI label!' can be read as "YES! AN EXCUSE TO BE ANTI-TOWN."
Glowball is town.
defence of Glow again, calling her town.
More defending of Glow
In post 451, Llamarble wrote:
Jason - II had town on him early but I was totally wrong. 135, 161, the quote striping post is just amazing and the glowball vote is :terrible:
now to look at Glowball...Glow has made no mention of Llamarble the entire game, nor made any reference to any Llamarble posting...
I 100% believe there to be a connection or even through quotes within quotes....
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In post 481, Llamarble wrote:In post 478, Ghostlin wrote:Vote: Llam
While he's posted more analysis than he did last night, he's not really backed it up, and spent most of Day 1 being The Load.
This is A. Wrong and B. Not really relevant to my alignment.
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In post 485, Llamarble wrote:VP is scum except for the "I have role information suggesting Lew's claim is false" thing.
Then again I guess as scum with a non cat / dog I could say something like that.
VOTE: VP Baltar
can you outline a proper case, please.
In post 484, Llamarble wrote:I may have started late, but I already have the third highest post count in the thread.
2rd highest post count doesn't mean squat when you aint producing any content to back that up.-
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In post 495, glowball wrote:I hate it when I agree with a wagon but the reasoning/people on the wagon are flawed. JasonT is making no sense which is making it hard for me to get behind this wagon.
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In post 502, glowball wrote:In post 500, jasonT1981 wrote:He has been defending Glowball non stop
Glowball has not mentioned or even referenced him.
I had the two of them as scum day 1... I see this as a connection to further my read on them both as scum.
Exactly, JasonT you are looking for reasons to add to both of us being scum. It's confirmation bias.
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In post 506, glowball wrote:
Except you aren't looking anywhere else.. You already think we're both scum so when I write something you are waiting to find ANYTHING scummy about it- obv by the weak "connection" Llam and I have.
Oh really??
In post 468, jasonT1981 wrote:
Yea, I am now quite happy there is a connection between Glowball/Llamarable. I had both as scum yesterday.I still want to take a look at Ghostlin also today.
vote: Llamarable.
Don't agree with Sotty about tripod being a good vote, I have him as town.Cogito is someone also I believe should be looked at today.-
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In post 542, glowball wrote:
Well, I had dinner with my family last night it was pretty awesome. I mean what would you like me to tell you? This question is lame. Be specific, and tbh I am still sorting out my reads but I don't think to highly of you if that is what you are looking for.
In post 544, glowball wrote:So you want... reads? I have none worth sharing at this point. I'll let you know when I do.
Fluff and pointless posting. Avoidign questions and so far into this game still without reads or reasons for them Completly avoided Sottys question and danced around it with non game related stuff then so far into the game nothing worth sharing?
Yea, you're not town.-
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It was VP question, not Sotty. My mistake on that.
In post 548, jasonT1981 wrote:In post 542, glowball wrote:
Well, I had dinner with my family last night it was pretty awesome. I mean what would you like me to tell you? This question is lame. Be specific, and tbh I am still sorting out my reads but I don't think to highly of you if that is what you are looking for.
In post 544, glowball wrote:So you want... reads? I have none worth sharing at this point. I'll let you know when I do.
Fluff and pointless posting. Avoidign questions and so far into this game still without reads or reasons for them Completly avoided Sottys question and danced around it with non game related stuff then so far into the game nothing worth sharing?
Yea, you're not town.-
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God damn it! I had a post made, and my browser crashed losing it. Anyway, short of it.
Going to look more in depth tomorrow and Cog and Ghostlin by ISOing them.
Unsure on the VP thing. D1 he was a non entity to the point I forgot he was in this game and I was focusing elsewhere.
The census taker is slightly different from what I have seen before. In the past, It was used to determine how many scum was on a lynch wagon. I still see Quilford as town. Scum has no reason really to out themselves that much. Unless Quilford is scum, and fucking with us. But I read him as town so I doubt it.
Sotty/VP what game are you talking about, and how relevant is it to this game, meta wise?
Amrun, did the census taker work like this in DDD's game you talk about?
@ Amrun again, how does my push not seem genuine?
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In post 619, xvart wrote:I lost my post but I have to say that there is something fishy going on with Jason, LLamarble, and glowball. Whenever I read their love triangle I feel like at least one person, if not tow, are operating on more information than a town member should have at this point.The whole Jason pushing glowball while voting Llamarble looks to me like he is more convinced that the person he isn't voting is scum which doesn't work with where his vote actually is. Also, spilling over from my suspicions yesterday:
VOTE: Jason
I also think VPB is town.
See, thats the issue.... I can have more than one scum read I can push, but only have one vote.-
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In post 635, Untrod Tripod wrote:can we talk more about DDDP's "not being scummy is scummy" idea? Because it seems like that's mildly important to note.
I do think he has a point in that scum would try and blend in, not try to act scummy, and let a lynch happen on a scummy player. HOWEVER lynches are based on what is scummy, and not what is not scummy. And without anything else on you, the fact he tries to push it, is scummy.-
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In post 655, Amrun wrote:Then shouldn't you be voting Ghostlin?
In post 656, Llamarble wrote:Yeah, probably.
VOTE: Ghostlin
Though I'm not really sure out of VP / Ghostlin / Xvart who's going to flip scum the hardest.
Right now I feel like all of them will.
Don't like this post, not from Amrun, he has every right to call it. but from LLam, doesn't vote.. gets called out and then votes. Seems weak to me-
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In post 688, Sotty7 wrote:In post 430, jasonT1981 wrote:In post 428, VP Baltar wrote:Jason - I don't know what your actual position on lewarcher is since you vacillate throughout that post. Is he town or scum?
I don't get why you think Ghostlin is scum either, can I get the sparknotes version of that?
Neither on instinct, I believe him to be 3rd party but not worth the lynch. We can cut a head of scum and weaken them, rather than lynch a role that can end up killing itself in the night.
Jason, why did you think Lew was 3rd party over mafia?
Also can you elaborate on your Ghostlin read? I'm interested.
Alright, I guess my 3rd party views on Lew where more because of suggestion from others saying we should lynch etc right away 3rd party. It got me thinking he was 3rd party or at least I did believe he was in anti-town role, just not scum. I agree he had things to answer, and can understand the push for his lynch however Ghost pushing lets lynch 3rd party now! was off.
Town should take out scum first and worry about possible 3rd party after. Taking out a possible or suspected 3rd party, who 99% of the time operates on him own should be second to taking out a scum role. Scum get the chance to talk in night (And day in some cases depending on mod) So to take scum out, cut one of their links making sure they can no longer give input to scum planning in their QT is more important to town.
Ghost seemed to want to push ahead and seemed more interested in 3rd party lynches than actually taking out scum.
My course ended today, I would disagree I was lurking, I have not really been around too much on MS lately in all my games, only popping in to check on my current modded game. And make a quick comment here and there if I can. But, now course is over I have no more homework I can fully focus on games again.-
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In post 750, Sotty7 wrote:In post 742, jasonT1981 wrote:Alright, I guess my 3rd party views on Lew where more because of suggestion from others saying we should lynch etc right away 3rd party. It got me thinking he was 3rd party or at least I did believe he was in anti-town role, just not scum.I agree he had things to answer, and can understand the push for his lynch however Ghost pushing lets lynch 3rd party now! was off.
Show your working.
Ghostlin, what's your case on Llama? Bullets points will be fine.
My big catch up D1 post had my points on that. I will isolate the comments tomorrow afternoon if you don't want to go back and look at it. It is quite in the middle of everything.-
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Glowball ISO seems to show her sitting on sidelines, not wanting to give opinions and cheering on a lynch
In post 375, glowball wrote:WHY ISN'T LEW LYNCHED?!?!?!?!
Come on guys. Just lynch him and be happy!
but wait..
In post 544, glowball wrote:So you want... reads? I have none worth sharing at this point. I'll let you know when I do.
no reads eh?
In post 731, glowball wrote: I want Jason lynched.
now we have reads, after pressure... not explaining any of them... and giving a BS reason as to why
In post 755, glowball wrote:Okay I am not very good at explaining how my brain works but I will try my best to at least give you some indication of where I am at.
Scum:
Jason
CES
Xvart
On my radar:
Ghostlin
VP
Llamarble
Vi
Amrun
I am never really good at explaining how I get reads on people, which is probably why I'm so bad at this game but there are my thoughts.
In post 811, glowball wrote:Mmkay reasons why my lynch shouldn't even be considered today:
Scratch that! There's really only one main reason, my lynch won't help you with anything at all. When I flip town you'll have just as little information to go off of as you do now.
It's pretty obvious that Jason should be lynched, since he's scum and it gives us information. Llam COULD be lynched solely based on the information we'd get.
Fails to give reasons why she should not be lynched, appeals to emotion, then again tunnels me
In post 813, glowball wrote:Actually I takke back my previous statement, if we aren't going to lynch scum (Jason) then lynching me is fine.
for someone with no reads, Glowball really is lookign me lyched....oh look below.
In post 855, glowball wrote:Can someone tell me why we aren't lynching Jason?
Glowball has done NO scum hunting, repeated failures to answer questions... refuses to give reads, then shouts Why isn't (X) lynched.
Glowball... reasons for my lynch please, a full, thought out case. Bullet-points would be good. No crying because you are scum... A full case now please!-
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In post 859, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 850, Llamarble wrote:We're not sure the third party is a killing role or not.
But yeah, VP being blocked on a night where there weren't as many kills as expected increases the odds he's scum.
Did Llamarble just claim Serial Killer?
As much as I believe a Llam lynch is good, I don't see how... it is more WIFOM... look only one kill, less than expected... VP was blocked so he must be scum.
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In post 850, Llamarble wrote:We're not sure the third party is a killing role or not.
But yeah, VP being blocked on a night where there weren't as many kills as expected increases the odds he's scum.
Why are we still discussing stuff like this, there is still no evedience there is 3rd party, is there? right now, scum is the focus. All this is distracting from scum hunting with the WIFOM rubbish about less kills, means VP = scum because he was blocked.
For all we know, there is only one killing faction/role. Only way to establish that info is over longer terms. D2, with only one night for evedience is not worth looking at now... IF in future days there are more than one kill, then yes.. this needs looked at. But now, all the speculation is just that.
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In post 866, Ghostlin wrote:In post 865, jasonT1981 wrote:In post 850, Llamarble wrote:We're not sure the third party is a killing role or not.
But yeah, VP being blocked on a night where there weren't as many kills as expected increases the odds he's scum.
Why are we still discussing stuff like this, there is still no evedience there is 3rd party, is there? right now, scum is the focus. All this is distracting from scum hunting with the WIFOM rubbish about less kills, means VP = scum because he was blocked.
For all we know, there is only one killing faction/role. Only way to establish that info is over longer terms. D2, with only one night for evedience is not worth looking at now... IF in future days there are more than one kill, then yes.. this needs looked at. But now, all the speculation is just that.
Right now, I am looking for scum.
..Then you're saying you don't believe the Census Taker's Census?
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OK, yes looking back I am wrong, I forgot Quilford took a census.
Still though, the VP was blocked, there was not as many kills as 'expected' therefor VP is scum... is just pure crazy.
though, LLam, how do you know there were less kills than expected to be? it is complete WIFOM and something I would expect from scum to parade out there.
I believe Glowball is scum for her cheerleading on lynches, and LLam is scum partly due to him trying to add confusion to the town.-
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In post 870, glowball wrote:In post 863, jasonT1981 wrote:Actually right now I am more comfortable with a Glowball lynch than Llam.. at least he is trying to play the game. She is just sitting on sidelines screaming for a lynch of anyone... D1 and D2.
unvote
vote: Glowball
Actually I don't want ANYONE lynched. I want YOU lynched.If that quote of nothingness on this page is a "case"... no I won't be making one of those. If I actually sit down and go through all of your posts to make a case it will be when I have time. No one pressured me for my reads, in fact a wagon hasn't even ever been formed against me.I don't like to share all of my thoughts because frankly I can't always explain them. There's a tone to your posts, there are your actions towards other players and vice versa.It's something that I think takes a lot of time to explain and I prefer to let the chips fall before I go all in.
bold red: in other words, fence sit and wait for a wagon to form, and jump on.
bold blue: Again, just shouting for a lynch without any reasoning to anything. You did the same for Lew on D1.
bold green: then you need to try harder. If you really want me lynched, you sure as hell better do some explaining and if you are not going to do that, then you are not going to get me lynched.-
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ooooh interesting, you could be onto something
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... d_Role_PMs
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You may take a census, thus discovering the number of [Pro-Town] players, [Anti-Town] players, and [Neutral] playersthat are alive at the end of the current night phase. You will receive a Private Message from the moderator containing the number of [Pro-Town], [Anti-Town], and [Neutral] that are alive.
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