Animals Upick [Game Over]

[mastina]

Hi guys let's get rolling at a nice, leisurely pace, and...

...Oh.

[mastina]

Ego.

Ego.

Town.

hello I am going to go take a shower then I will be back

Oh...and obligatory:
VOTE: Birds and the Boys

VOTE: Birds and the Boys

Town.

*in
*witty comment here*
*insert random vote*

Claiming

Mafia Mason

. We will be siding with the town this time around.

Town?

first! VOTE: blatant scum for obvious reasons

Scum.

[mastina]

-Cosmic

Oh hi there. Did I say 'town?'? I meant town.

[mastina]

We have a synonym of VCA, the means to an end, what shall this disgust be? This game is but a baby, and you’re studying a baby’s mile time to improve your dreadful lap speed.

You shall be shamed!

Execution!

Also this slot is probably scum.

[mastina]

Ego.

Name is accurate.

[mastina]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: April Ludgate

You can be town, too!

Let's Massclaim?
-Calvin

I don't want to die N1 tho.

[mastina]

I SAID I AM DRAGON RAWR
~April

Considering that was my second pick:

PRESS

X

[mastina]

Apparently I would like everyone to make a list of their favourite dinosaurs
Top 5 or whatever IDK

Are dragons dinosaurs?
'Cause that'd be my #1.

[mastina]

Alright forget what I said everyone just claim animals since bs and Holden want you to die

I'm a true immortal animal, though for some reason, Krazy decided that instead of that allowing me to be immortal, it'd have a different function altogether.

[mastina]

(jjh is town by the way. Salty, but town.)

[mastina]

@Bingle, we could ask miller claims to post certain letters of the role who can investigate humans. What do you think?

Doesn't it make sense that scum would prob. have a safeclaim pm of a miller according to what is posted in the set up?

Krazy's safeclaims for scum tend to let scum hang out to dry a little bit. They do prevent a D1 massclaim from outing the scumteam, true enough, but beyond that they don't give the scum that level of safety, so. Scum probably don't have that information unless it's an actual part of their real role.

[mastina]

Clover Ebi + votato + HoldenGolden + Creature

Not a bad guess, to be honest.

[mastina]

Guys quick L-1, again!

Sure, why not?
VOTE: votato

[mastina]

Conspire and I are Masons btw
-Calvin

Believable.

[mastina]

VOTE: mastina that lightmode hurts my sensitive eyes

Mate no joke I'd rather Maftigers than Mafblack, Mafblack is the worst skin on site, period, bar none.

[mastina]

light mode is trash

Mafsilver was the original skin, the default skin, and for good reason; it is the best skin.

[mastina]

Claiming flavour might lead to power roles visiting you.

I can't think of any town role likely to be in the game that'd have it be a good idea to visit me.

[mastina]

Oh right, mastina is the scientist from Back to the future

Nah, he prefers DeLorians.

My choice of car would be different. A Pontiac.

[mastina]

Mafblack can be the worst skin on site, but at least it is the safest for my eyes

Mafblack hurts MY eyes. Mafsilver doesn't. MafBlack's too dark.

[mastina]

mafblack is the official skin of this site

So? Doesn't make it any less trash.

If it wasn't the default skin it'd have far, far, far, far less users.

[mastina]

God damn piece of shit either internet or site taking me too damn fucking long to load and attempt to post that I am obviously somewhat V/LA right now due to technical difficulties. (Today, computer, although now slowness is an issue which is either internet or site; last few days, internet.)

I'll read/post when I'm able to.

[mastina]

Gonna be blunt: I am suffering from very very very VERY bad depression right now on the verge of site flaking bad levels of just...negative emotions. Some measures have managed to stave the effects of this a bit, but I need to take one more; one of the things fueling the potential for a siteflake is my desire to read the entirety of this game in spite of having absolutely zero motive to do so and the game getting longer with each and every day making the task more daunting every single time I don't try.

So in order to stay in the game, I have to kill it.

I'm way, way, way too tired to play the game tonight,

but

, tomorrow, I will be reading from this post.
If someone would be so kind as to catch me up on the 1200 posts in the game as you would if I were a replacement, I'll be in better straights tomorrow, so like.
Tomorrow, will be reading from post 1200 onward. Want me to know of something from before then? Then make sure I'm aware of it because I literally can't handle reading them all.

[mastina]

Oh hi Mastina
Yeah I read your blog whenever I'm in game with you
I just reread the game and did a readslist

Ah. Yeah, that would be a rather reliable way of telling what kind of state I am in.

Helpful hint; if I am going days without blogging,

something is seriously wrong

.

You'd be tempted to think, "there's plenty of times where there's multiple days with no blogs and when she returns to blogging she makes little mention of bad things so maybe there aren't many bad things", but it's more of the opposite where the struggle to blog is a sign of just

how constant

this seriously wrong state is.

I haven't been in a good state of mind for, what? A week? Probably at least that long, maybe longer.

I think the main important thing that happened in the game is the votato wagon which I think peaked at 2 different points. Votato claimed something around the first peak that looked a lot like a meme fakeclaim at a glance. But it was serious, and it got expanded on, and I'm pretty sure it's very real and very town

What was the claim?

I would appreciate it if you would make a list of your top 5 favourite dinosaurs because I wasn't joking when I said that I need people to do that for my role

Don't really have a list, but uh. I guess I could do this.
1: My role which was my first pick. (Not a dinosaur but fuckit you need five.)
2: Dragon. (Not a dinosaur but fuckit you need five.)
3: Sea Serpent. (Not a dinosaur but fuckit you need five.)
4: That armored dinosaur with the club tail (not the stegosaurus, who has a spiked tail)
5: Triceratops I guess? (Bit hard between this, stegosaurus, T-rex, and Velociraptor, these are all dinosaurs that are stereotypical and aren't really favorites so much as I know them and associate them with pop-culture e.g. Power Rangers's use of them, and at the moment I have fonder memories of the Triceratops zord than I do the other dinosaur zords. Aside from dragon which I think was featured in a season with dinosaur zords which

obviously

ranks higher. Also, my pick is closely related to a bird dinosaur zord in a sense.)

[mastina]

fine. I'm a town night 1-3 combined janitor-doctor watcher.

uh not exactly sure. From what I gather on the wiki, the janitor would be a scum role. From that plus my role PM I guess my role has something to do with being anti-janitor? I'm not exactly sure how it would work. sorry. i think the watcher ability only activates if im successful, if that helps.

i think being useless is probably correlated with being scum. You all seem to know BS much better than I, and if hes a really good player, then theres probably a method somewhere in the apparent madness. I guess this sort of confusion is why I want to wait before jumping to any conclusions about anyone. ironically, this uncertainty makes me a bit useless, so i guess im confirmed scum.

Yeah I don't see what you do in this claim. I'm pretty sure it's bullshit given my own role, so.
VOTE: Votato

[mastina]

April Ludgate - has janitor ability

If I wasn't voting votato this is where I'd probably vote tho.

[mastina]

Mastina added to scum list.

For what? Not believing a claim that's obviously bullshit?

[mastina]

It's not bullshit. How and why does anyone come up with this as a claim if they didn't get it as their role PM?

Because it's a Krazy game. That's how and why.

Krazy's safeclaims are woefully inadequate for a scumteam and encourage bullshit and this reeks of being precisely that sort of bullshit, the bullshit of someone who doesn't have a real safeclaim so improvised one from scratch.

[mastina]

Krazy's provided fakeclaim? Although why would Krazy give a fakeclaim that's inconsistent with someone else's town role, hm.
-Calvin

Too ridiculous to be a mod-provided fakeclaim. Krazy does give non-safe fakeclaims, but not maliciously

There are mod-provided sample fakeclaims for at least some of the scum but whether they are "safeclaims" is open to debate. I encourage scum to hand-craft their own fakeclaims using the mod-provided fakeclaims as a starting point. The mod-provided fake-claims should prevent the game from being broken by a day-1 massclaim, beyond that I do not make strong promises on the utility of the mod-provided fakeclaims.

^PP gets it, pretty much. This is precisely what I am referring to.

[mastina]

Creature scum
-Calvin

Nope! Creature's town, transparently so.

[mastina]

Rawr?

XD?

[mastina]

But sure, include the MOD CONFIRMABLE player in your lynchpool.

Big oof.
Wish that someone who wasn't obvtown had the conftownable role.
(But also, who're the doubters of the claim? Might contain scum, but I don't know who they are so would need a list of them to confirm.)

[mastina]

why should we put weight in you saying you're mod confirmable without you actually being mod confirmed?

Oh yeah here's one scum on the doubters train.

[mastina]

@Votato - Target Mistanna, I’ll do so as well.

If I die and am janitored then take it as both April and votato being scum btw.

[mastina]

Does your animal make sense for your animal role?

Eh, in some versions it'd make sense but in the most common version people would think I have a different ability tho.

[mastina]

You don't recall Firebringer calling for Mastina's death in Doubles Mafia?

(Still salty about that btw.)

[mastina]

I got the prod
Will try to pick up activity again. It was a good prod

Clearly I should vote you in a way that will result in you being lolhammered for inactivity.
Clearly.










(jjh is town, by the way. Thought everyone should know. )

[mastina]

Wow Krazy mod confirming my claim there cool stuff

Pretty much yeah. Sloppy modding on his part to be honest but hey! Free conftown, I'll take it!

If jjh dies tonight then you can pretty much insta-lynch any protective PR claim because there's zero reason not to protect him.

[mastina]

VOTE: votato
I wanted this yesterday so I am all too happy to do it today.

[mastina]

So I received the most worthless of information last night; I was informed that it was mod-confirmed that the mafia janitor's action was one-shot.
(That's not from my role, someone targeted me to give me that info.)

Also.

VOTE: April.
Anyone who can spot why I'm making this vote gets some free towncred.

[mastina]

April you lied.

Indeed. And the nature of the lie is why I am voting there.

[mastina]

Should I out the person???
~Cosmic

If they are mislynch bait, yes.
If they are widely seen as town, no.

[mastina]

Mafia has ONE fucking shot based on that message, right? 1 janitor shot? Bingle was janitored. If nobody claims to have janitored Bingle, then it is confirmed Votato did so to him.

Quite correct! votato is confirmed, both by his role, all mod info available to us, and your own claim, to have visited Bingle.

What's not confirmed by his role and all mod info is him visiting Calvin. Quite to the contrary, all evidence points against it. To wit:

Calvin and Hobbes was Drowned

Calvin and Hobbes was drowned. This was the only kill flavor displayed for Calvin and Hobbes.

Mod: if multiple killers targeted a player for a nightkill successfully, and all of those kills went through, how would you resolve the kill flavors?

votato's kill flavor was, explicitly, gored:

ABILITY: Factional kill -- Your mafia faction has a kill at night. If you perform this kill, the flavor will be

gored

.

votato's role had one aspect to it--one. He could vig and use the factional nightkill.

If what you claim is true, then this is what would need to have happened:
votato would need to have used his role on Bingle, and the factional nightkill on Calvin and Hobbes, yet have the 'gored' flavor not display.
Why would votato's gored flavor not display?

How about that it's because a different mafiate made the kill? Because,

Blatant Scum was drowned... he was a...

...The 'drowned' flavor makes a repeat the next night.

Which is simpler:
Scum-votato made a factional nightkill on Calvin, which doesn't display, and a non-mafiate killer made a kill on Calvin N1 and a kill on Blatant Scum N2 with the scum's replacement-killer to votato not succeeding (effectively meaning that for

two nights in a row

the mafia nightkill was nonexistent)...a scenario that requires the existence of multiple hypothetical scenarios that require the invention of unknown unproven roles...

...Or that you're just lying about votato having visited both Calvin and Bingle? That the mafia used the same killer N1 and N2, not votato?

[mastina]

I agreed with what Bingle was saying here, and both Bingle and I were saying Mistanna was scum at this time.

Respectfully, Bingle's assessment that I was scum was reliant on my lack of content (which there were real-life circumstances behind, and something I later remedied), and me being suspicious of votato's roleclaim while buying jjh's role as town.

He made that assessment under the erroneous belief that votato was town.

Bingle would not have been suspicious of me with the understanding that votato was scum and you vouching for votato were, by your own admission, fakeclaiming.

Because I was

right

in my suspicions.

He would not be scumreading me with a votato scumflip and in fact would know that from a votato scumflip I'd be cleared as town.

[mastina]

Didn't you have almost the exact same type of role in another game and you were scum?

Did I?

Not saying I haven't, but legit. Honestly. Don't remember it. Granted--I've played over 500 games on mafiascum. So I'm not saying that I definitely 100% haven't had that role as scum, but like. I have absolutely zero memory of having a role like jjh is claiming when I was scum. I mean. If you were to produce the game, then I'd probably go, "oh yeah! That game! I remember it now!", but like. Been wracking my head trying to figure out when I had a role like that and I can't remember any.

So to put it another way: either no, I haven't, or if I have, it's a game that I don't remember right now, and with me not remembering it right now, it might as well not exist because if I don't remember a game, it's irrelevant to my current game as it's something I have no knowledge of due to having forgotten it.

But for the life of me, no, I can't think of any time I've been scum with a role requiring me to have the town make lists. I can't think of any scumgame where I've had a role that'd entail that.

[mastina]

@Mastina

Did you see the Vote count when you voted Votato?

I don't remember for sure, but I don't think so. I checked in, saw he was being voted, and placed my own vote, because no fucking shit I'm going to vote for the slot I've been suspicious of for the whole damn game.

And frankly? I honestly don't care. I'd have had no remorse if I cast the hammer vote, and

certainly

have none for an L-1 vote. We have protectives to protect players that are likely investigatives so the risk of losing info overnight is, comparatively, minimal.

[mastina]

Vote: jjh

Bingle was also wrong when he defended votato and called votato locktown.

Was Bingle scum for holding that opinion?

...No?

...Yes, precisely.

Bingle and jjh are two people in the same state of mind, more or less. They see the world incredibly similarly. Both thought votato was town; both were wrong. It, already proved with Bingle, doesn't make them scum. jjh is still town.

[mastina]

I don't see why scum don't just claim the vig

Also this is the ultimate proof that I am not votato's scumbuddy because you know what my stance on scum roleclaiming is; it's that the truth is the best weapon and that you shouldn't lie. If I were votato's scumbuddy, I'd have had him claim town 1x janitoring vig, because that's his actual role.

[mastina]

Who NKs Blatant Scum

Also not me. If I were scum, then because scumastina would assume protectives would be on PenguinPower, you'd be my nightkill N2. Or even N1. You've become an incredibly popular N1 nightkill, it's just that most protective roles are too stupid to realize that and actually protect you. (A mistake I assure you I would not make. )

[mastina]

I'd rather sheep April at this point

You're sheeping scum.

See how well that works out for you.

[mastina]

I understand you thought you had some kind of angle to push with it, but it literally states in Krazy’s rules that they can change it.

Mod: can a mafia member change their factional kill flavor? For example, votato's kill flavor is listed as 'gored'; could he have chosen to change this kill flavor to something else, e.g. 'drowned'?

[mastina]

I understand you thought you had some kind of angle to push with it, but it literally states in Krazy’s rules that they can change it.

Mod: can a mafia member change their factional kill flavor? For example, votato's kill flavor is listed as 'gored'; could he have chosen to change this kill flavor to something else, e.g. 'drowned'?

[mastina]

viewtopic.php?p=11732544#p11732544
This role compared to what jjh is claiming - it feels weird for you to be calling jjh town for it

And I wasn't scum that game, not really--I was explicitly playing to a third party win condition, and the role was entirely revolving around said third party wincon. Not a lick of scum in that. Purely 3p there. To demonstrate, this is what my role PM was from that game, almost unedited:

masturbating

Your ability is to: You are a chronic masturbater. If you can get the entire town to masturbate, then you win the game. This does not end the game.

Win Conditions
-You win if every living town player masturbates.
-Your drug is stimulant, here you can talk with other Stimulant type drugs.

This was the role as I was playing it; this was the role as I was making use of it. I was playing to the third party wincon.
Now, obviously, yes, strictly speaking, by a technicality, that wasn't the entirety of my role PM, which was this:
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Gin's Joint Pick4U - mastina Role PM
Date: Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:02 am
From: Ginngie
To:

Spoiler: mastina

masturbating

Your ability is to: You are a chronic masturbater. If you can get the entire town to masturbate, then you win the game. This does not end the game.

Win Conditions
-You are aligned with the Wolves, you win when you control 50% of the town and nothing can stop you.
-You win if every living town player masturbates.
-Your drug is stimulant, here you can talk with other Stimulant type drugs.
-You may talk with your partners here: Wolf PT

...But I was, very explicitly, not playing to the werewolf wincon there (and by the way the werewolf faction was more akin to a serial killer--still third party--than to a mafia faction). I was playing to the 3p wincon because it was a role that was self-evidently designed to be played to the third party wincon.

That wasn't a scum role because, 1: the main scum faction that game was the mafia (who ended up having five members by the end of the game), NOT the werewolves,
2: I was aware of this and so too was the mod when designing it,
3: And it was pretty obvious it was designed to be played to the 3p wincon, not the werewolf wincon.

[mastina]

I can still convince myself Mastina is scum here based on circumstantial game stuff, but I still feel like her posting is town.

I mean it's pretty damn obvious I'm not the one calling the shots on the scumteam. votato never fakeclaims if I'm in charge; scum never kill Blatant Scum if I'm in charge. (Heck, even if scum wouldn't kill you with me as scum, there's better options, e.g. a blind farside kill would still be better to make than a Blatant Scum kill.)
And since there aint a scumteam in the world where I wouldn't be in charge, that's the best proof there is that I am.

Also there's one very obvious thing which makes me town which you probably should've figured out by now.

[mastina]

And I wasn't scum that game, not really--I was explicitly playing to a third party win condition, and the role was entirely revolving around said third party wincon. Not a lick of scum in that. Purely 3p there.

That's still not town

You're moving goalposts here.

Your initial point: "You as scum had a role similar to what jjh's role is, therefore you should know that role does not make him town".
I pointed out that the role in question was in fact, third party and heavily designed to be third party.
Third party roles are not scum roles.
Third party roles are, in design, much closer to town roles than they are scum roles.

Now you're trying to say "you as 3p had a role similar to what jjh's role is, therefore you should know that role does not make him town".
But again.
Third party roles are much much much closer in design to town roles than they are to scum.

So, jjh is not scum. He would be either "3p or town", and given the lack of any evidence of a third party, the answer is just 'town'.

[mastina]

Mastina saying she finds jjh town just because his request from the mod was confirmed really shouldn't be the icing on the cake for Mastina to declare a player town.

Except it was exactly that.

It's not like jjh was a total dead null to me and having his role be mod-confirmed magically moved him to locktown.

He was already a locktown read; having his role be mod-confirmed was just the final nail in the coffin to solidify it beyond any shadow of a doubt (when there was already none to be had). Which if you use a different metaphor other than 'final nail in the coffin', yes, would be 'the icing on the cake'. The final topping on top of an already-solid base.

Her vote on April looks to be for saving votato day 1 and allowing the ability to be used.

Oh?

Farside, let me ask you.
Where was I voting D1?

Where was I voting

all

of D1 pretty much?

Was it April as you are saying here, to 'protect' votato?

...No?

...Okay, so I wasn't voting April; who

was

I voting?

...I'll let you get back to me on that.

She also is trying to soft claim a role that I'm about ooooooo90% fake at this point given the following flips this far: crazy/EB bodyguard lovers and C&H human doc

I don't fakeclaim roles and it should be painfully transparent what my role is considering that, yes, I have softed it from the very beginning of D1.

[mastina]

Spoiler: votato interactions D1

first! VOTE: blatant scum for obvious reasons

Scum.

Clover Ebi + votato + HoldenGolden + Creature

Not a bad guess, to be honest.

Guys quick L-1, again!

Sure, why not?
VOTE: votato

fine. I'm a town night 1-3 combined janitor-doctor watcher.

uh not exactly sure. From what I gather on the wiki, the janitor would be a scum role. From that plus my role PM I guess my role has something to do with being anti-janitor? I'm not exactly sure how it would work. sorry. i think the watcher ability only activates if im successful, if that helps.

i think being useless is probably correlated with being scum. You all seem to know BS much better than I, and if hes a really good player, then theres probably a method somewhere in the apparent madness. I guess this sort of confusion is why I want to wait before jumping to any conclusions about anyone. ironically, this uncertainty makes me a bit useless, so i guess im confirmed scum.

Yeah I don't see what you do in this claim. I'm pretty sure it's bullshit given my own role, so.
VOTE: Votato

Mastina added to scum list.

For what? Not believing a claim that's obviously bullshit?

It's not bullshit. How and why does anyone come up with this as a claim if they didn't get it as their role PM?

Because it's a Krazy game. That's how and why.

Krazy's safeclaims are woefully inadequate for a scumteam and encourage bullshit and this reeks of being precisely that sort of bullshit, the bullshit of someone who doesn't have a real safeclaim so improvised one from scratch.

Krazy's provided fakeclaim? Although why would Krazy give a fakeclaim that's inconsistent with someone else's town role, hm.
-Calvin

Too ridiculous to be a mod-provided fakeclaim. Krazy does give non-safe fakeclaims, but not maliciously

There are mod-provided sample fakeclaims for at least some of the scum but whether they are "safeclaims" is open to debate. I encourage scum to hand-craft their own fakeclaims using the mod-provided fakeclaims as a starting point. The mod-provided fake-claims should prevent the game from being broken by a day-1 massclaim, beyond that I do not make strong promises on the utility of the mod-provided fakeclaims.

^PP gets it, pretty much. This is precisely what I am referring to.

why should we put weight in you saying you're mod confirmable without you actually being mod confirmed?

Oh yeah here's one scum on the doubters train.

@Votato - Target Mistanna, I’ll do so as well.

If I die and am janitored then take it as both April and votato being scum btw.

Yup, those sure were trying to save votato! I sure was defending him, trying to avert his lynch! I clearly went out of my way to try and keep him alive.

[mastina]

@Jjh - Votato goes rogue and doesn’t listen to partner Mastina in regards to playstyle or claiming, how would ScumMastina act about that?

Damage control in "okay, votato, so you messed up by doing that, but we can maybe salvage the situation if you do x y z", and trying to coach votato into the optimal spot given his fuckup in ignoring me.

Not bussing the slot outright and writing it off as a loss.

I never write scum slots off as being lost unless they have a guilty result on them...and even then, sometimes not then, if I think the guilty can be outplayed/fought/etc.

In fact jjh actually has a good example of this.
Because the scenario you described?

It actually did happen in a scumgame of mine!
I instructed NicoRobin in what to claim--she did not follow my instructions.

jjh can attest that I did the opposite of bussing her that game.

[mastina]

I’m obnoxious and beautiful, but I’m not scum. And Mastina’s lack of any other reads besides strong town on JJH and Scum pushing me is a scum positioning tool.

I mean I admit other than you I am lacking in the department of scumreads but I am quite content with the number of townreads I have given the number of players in the game.

jjh, Dunnstral, farside, Conspire, and PenguinPower are definitely town, with Clover and Holden as possible town.

Given those townreads on 5(+me)+2/11 players, leaving only three players in the poe pool? Don't really need scumreads, do I? The poe pool is itself scumreads enough.

(I believe the three remaining are {April, Chemist, Bird}, right?)

[mastina]

Temporary V/LA

--I'm getting up relatively early tomorrow, and will be preoccupied most of tomorrow, so can't post tonight and probably not tomorrow. Obviously will post if I can, but if not, see ya Wednesday.

[mastina]

Apologies. Had internet issues until just now, but with it being 3 am, content will have to wait until tomorrow.

[mastina]

VOTE: bird
Also i noted once this game went to night mastina was active posting elsewhere. She has been very lurky this game in comparison.

And if you had read said posting elsewhere, you'd have known why. In short, I was planning to post here, but stuff in real life came up, stuff more important than any game of mafia. The lack of posting wasn't intentional so much as unfortunate incidental.

On that note though; I am fucking pissed because you people fucking lynched the slot I was protecting every single night. No, really; I protected jjh both N1 and N2 and am bloody pissed about that lynch. You lynched the person who was SO town that I was doccing them.

[mastina]

VOTE: bird
Also i noted once this game went to night mastina was active posting elsewhere. She has been very lurky this game in comparison.

And if you had read said posting elsewhere, you'd have known why. In short, I was planning to post here, but stuff in real life came up, stuff more important than any game of mafia. The lack of posting wasn't intentional so much as unfortunate incidental.

On that note though; I am fucking pissed because you people fucking lynched the slot I was protecting every single night. No, really; I protected jjh both N1 and N2 and am bloody pissed about that lynch. You lynched the person who was SO town that I was doccing them.

(At this stage, I don't mind revealing this because we should probably be massclaiming anyway.)

[mastina]

So instead of protecting confirmed town like Dunn or PP you didn't protect those two? Who did you protect night 3?

Dunnstral was not conftown until D3, thus, could not be protected N1 or N2 for being conftown. PenguinPower

was

, as of D2, so sure, would've been a fine N2 protection, but I considered jjh to be a better protection.

On N3 I protected Chemist because I saw his cop claim and wanted to ensure he got another result.

I want Mastina to claim their roles & actions

I'm a phoenix, a Town Doctor. I'm a Mystical Animal. My mech ability is that I will prevent the

first

(specifically the first) killing action on my target; if multiple killing actions are used on my target, they will die.

N1, I targeted jjh, because I had breadcrumbed doing precisely that and because I knew that jjh is an incredibly common N1 mafia nightkill, not to mention, for SOME crazy reason, can attract unwarranted vigs as well. Obviously, if he were killed by both the kill would go through, but if he were killed by only one of the two and not the other, then I'd still save him and since he was a plausible target for either, he was the best protection given that I could tell that this was his towngame.

N2, I targeted jjh, again because I thought he had a significant chance of being killed by the mafia and also a fair chance of being killed by a moronic town vig.

N3, with jjh lynched, I needed a new target. I picked the target I thought was the highest value. PenguinPower had already given the town the most useful aspect of his role, conftowning himself, so I figured that I should protect the player who could investigate during the night to produce another result.

I already know who I'm protecting tonight, but obviously I shouldn't announce this in advance.

[mastina]

Conspire and I are Masons btw
-Calvin

By the way it might be stupid but fun fact; I don't think I've ever used the doc emote without being a protective role of some kind, so yes, its usage here

was

a breadcrumb.

Let's Massclaim?
-Calvin

I don't want to die N1 tho.

Doctors are an obvious nightkill.

Alright forget what I said everyone just claim animals since bs and Holden want you to die

I'm a true immortal animal, though for some reason, Krazy decided that instead of that allowing me to be immortal, it'd have a different function altogether.

Phoenixes are immortal animals who forever go through a cycle of death and rebirth. However, instead of having a role based around myself, my role had a different function, i.e., protecting others.

My choice of car would be different. A Pontiac.

Pontiac

Phoenix

to be more specific--I actually have a toy car of one and it was one of my favorites as a kid.

1: My role which was my first pick. (Not a dinosaur but fuckit you need five.)
(Bit hard between this, stegosaurus, T-rex, and Velociraptor, these are all dinosaurs that are stereotypical and aren't really favorites so much as I know them and associate them with pop-culture e.g. Power Rangers's use of them, and at the moment I have fonder memories of the Triceratops zord than I do the other dinosaur zords. Aside from dragon which I think was featured in a season with dinosaur zords which

obviously

ranks higher. Also, my pick is closely related to a bird dinosaur zord in a sense.)

My first pick was phoenix, and I submitted it as a dinosaur because jjh needed it. And, there's a bird dinosaur zord which is obviously similar to a Phoenix.

fine. I'm a town night 1-3 combined janitor-doctor watcher.

uh not exactly sure. From what I gather on the wiki, the janitor would be a scum role. From that plus my role PM I guess my role has something to do with being anti-janitor? I'm not exactly sure how it would work. sorry. i think the watcher ability only activates if im successful, if that helps.

i think being useless is probably correlated with being scum. You all seem to know BS much better than I, and if hes a really good player, then theres probably a method somewhere in the apparent madness. I guess this sort of confusion is why I want to wait before jumping to any conclusions about anyone. ironically, this uncertainty makes me a bit useless, so i guess im confirmed scum.

Yeah I don't see what you do in this claim. I'm pretty sure it's bullshit given my own role, so.
VOTE: Votato

Votato claimed to be a doctor specific to janitors--given that I myself AM a doctor with no such silly restriction, I immediately called his claim for being what it was; bullshit.

Does your animal make sense for your animal role?

Eh, in some versions it'd make sense but in the most common version people would think I have a different ability tho.

You'd think that a Phoenix would have a bulletproof ability, because of the whole death/rebirth thing they are most known for.
However, in some versions of the phoenix lore, the phoenix can have healing properties. Phoenix tears reviving someone who dies (e.g. Harry Potter), phoenix feathers doing similar, the concept of a

Phoenix

Down, a restorative item that revives allies in JRPGs (e.g. Final Fantasy VII), etc. So I'm assuming that's where Krazy got the idea to make me a doc instead.

(jjh is town, by the way. Thought everyone should know. )

Here I was making it clear that jjh was my planned permanent target.

If jjh dies tonight then you can pretty much insta-lynch any protective PR claim because there's zero reason not to protect him.

And here I outright said, "if jjh dies during the night you can just lynch me because I am that committed to always parking my protection on him".

[mastina]

I can't physically read mastina posts rn and thank god for autkckeect

Dunno why considering I haven't been walling this game at all.

Mastina can be a roleblocker

Anyone who's played with me touting the idea that I'm a roleblocker when I am a doctor is automatically suspect, by the way. You get a pass for it as conftown, but everyone who has played with me knows better than that.

Regardless of my alignment, I am a doctor, not a roleblocker.

Which means the roleblocker is another player.

The roleblocker can't be someone whose actions we know. It can't be Chemist, since his role has been confirmed. It can't be you, not only due to your role being confirmed but also Chemist clearing you as town.
It can't be HoldenGolden, because he's confirmed to have killed Jingle. (You can argue HoldenGolden could be, sayyyy, a scum JOAT with a roleblock action, BUT, the roleblock has appeared on multiple consecutive nights, meaning that even if HoldenGolden is scum and even if HoldenGolden's scum role has a roleblocking action, he cannot be responsible for every roleblock in the game and thus we need to look elsewhere.)
It's unlikely to be Clover, because his strongman is confirmed to have played a part in killing Jingle.
Per April's claim of having seen farside be blocked, farside cannot be the roleblocker herself (unless scum with April).

Which leaves the only possible players to be the roleblocker as {Birds, Miss Lynch, April}.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if April's the roleblocker who knew farside had been roleblocked because April roleblocked her that night.

And I'd happily lynch Birds and April here.
I'd be a bit more hesitant, but would reluctantly lynch Miss Lynch here--the slot is a townread by play, but by mechanics the majority of the game is poe cleared more or less, and Miss Lynch is one of the only players who isn't.

[mastina]

The strong arm thingy is real given only 2 kps claimed on bingle who needed 3 perpeews to kill all the raccoons

This would be why I have the townreads that I do.
Holden's confirmed to be a vig--given scum already had a vig, it's doubtful they had another one.

Clover Ebi's role is confirmed to have functioned the way he claimed; his strongman N1 is confirmed and via April's claim his ninja N3 is confirmed and via everyone his N2 oracle is confirmed. Given scum already had a vig, it's doubtful they would have a strongman on top of that because that'd mean they'd have a guaranteed double-kill N1.

farside, via April, is confirmed to have been roleblocked N2 and because we know scum have a roleblocker and wouldn't roleblock one of their own, she cannot be scum unless specifically with April. (Basically, she's either town or scum with April. April being scum doesn't make her scum, either, it just means she isn't conftown.)

Dunnstral, via Chemist, is conftown via a cop investigation. He cannot be scum unless specifically with Chemist.

I am town as well.

So given four slots who're conftown, plus myself, that leaves a scum pool of {Chemist-who-cannot-be-the-roleblocker, Birds, Miss Lynch, April}.

I've been scumreading April the whole game.
I've thought Birds was scum for some time as well.

Which would leave the third as either Chemist or Miss Lynch.

[mastina]

Who else does everyone else want dead?

April > you > Miss Lynch/Chemist. Miss Lynch due to refusal to claim when I know Krazy's fakeclaims for scum suck and there's known to be an unknown roleblocker floating around. Chemist due to the failed neighborize from Dunnstral. Both good reasons to be poe scum.

[mastina]

What about April's play is scum?

Everything?

What about our play is scum?

I haven't seen the town in your play when I should if you're town.

What about Miss Lynch's play is town?

Conspire's play has had town vibes throughout the whole game. Iso-wise, they'd be the most town player that isn't already conftown.

[mastina]

Votato all flipped town and farside. Do we think he only voted town the entire time he was in the game?

As I said: the ONLY way farside can be scum is IF April is scum with her.

Because, per the known facts;
We know there is an unknown roleblocker, making it a role that is presumably scum.
April claims that farside was blocked N2.
No town player has claimed this block, and per the above, we know there is an unknown roleblocker that is presumably scum.
If the roleblock on farside did indeed come from scum, farside therefore cannot be scum, because scum would not roleblock scum.

Therefore, the only possible world in which farside is scum, is the world in which April is also scum and lied about seeing her be roleblocked.

Do you think April is scum? Your previous post implies otherwise.
Because you shading farside ignoring why she's conftown right now is awfully suspect.

[mastina]

Mastina why should we believe that you are a doctor when we have two bodyguards, a doctor, and a BP?

Because I don't fucking lie about my role regardless of my alignment? (Well, beyond small gambits as town, e.g. neighbor->mason, bp->macho, macho->bp. But those are obvious enough.)

A known, proven fact which has literally 500 games' worth of backing to demonstrate this trend?

Because I've been playing like a doctor the whole damn game?

Because this game has multiple kill methods in the game, per Krazy being theoretically as high as seven deaths in a phase (which we've mathed out to apparently only be 5? Butstill...), and multiple killstoppers given that there's multiple killers isn't uncommon and in fact is standard practice?

Because there's a confirmed scum roleblocker who from a design perspective could help shut down one of the killstoppers and let kills go through?

Because my role can't actually save the bodyguard lovers?

Because my role only stops ONE kill and thus double kills will still kill my target?


...The question isn't why you should believe me; it's why

shouldn't

you believe me, a question that's yet to have an answer.

[mastina]

Mastina why should we believe that you are a doctor when we have two bodyguards, a doctor, and a BP?

Because I don't fucking lie about my role regardless of my alignment? (Well, beyond small gambits as town, e.g. neighbor->mason, bp->macho, macho->bp. But those are obvious enough.)

A known, proven fact which has literally 500 games' worth of backing to demonstrate this trend?

Also, considering Turkey is in the hydra and I believe was the one making that post--this is tantamount to a scumclaim from Birds, because Turkey

knows

I don't fakeclaim as scum.

So:
VOTE: Birds and the Boys.

Pretending you don't know my meta when you do = you're scum.

[mastina]

Amuse on this though. If you, chemist, myself, and Dunnstral are all town and say Miss Lynch is scum, where do you look next? Just April?

Well that's an assumption I wouldn't make to begin with, but humoring you--after April flipped scum with Miss Lynch also as scum and if I were to assume you, Chemist, and Dunn were all town (not an assumption I'd make but in the sake of this hypothetical) and if the game weren't over after the April scumlynch:

The best possibility would be farside since she'd no longer have a mechanical reason to be town and similarly to Miss Lynch her reason for being town would only be from play.

But I feel again the need to emphasize the lack of my belief in that scenario. Yes, hypothetically, if I removed you, Chemist, and Dunn from the lynch pool, and after lynching a scum Miss Lynch and a scum April, farside is where I would look next--

But I'd never remove you and Chemist from the lynch pool, Miss Lynch is not a guaranteed scum lynch, and even if both Miss Lynch and April were to flip scum, the first place I'd look after their scumflips wouldn't be farside; it'd be between you and Chemist, with me going through the claims to figure out which is more likely to be true (Chemist's by a landslide), mechanically theorycrafting, and then crossreferencing interactions and gameplay throughout the game to find which has the more damning interactions. (Which, by the way, I believe between you two, would be you.)

[mastina]

lso, considering Turkey is in the hydra and I believe was the one making that post--this is tantamount to a scumclaim from Birds, because Turkey knows I don't fakeclaim as scum.

How do I know this?

From having played numerous towngames with me and even scumgames where I told the truth about my claim and referenced this trait of mine repeatedly, where it was a talking point.

And anyone who has played with me before can verify it, too.

I don't fucking lie about my role, especially not as scum, because the truth is your best weapon as a scum player and if you have sincerity on your side, people can read that genuineness from you, eliciting townreads from them because they think that if you're genuine you must be town.

So regardless of my alignment--I am definitely a doctor.

There's no doubts to be had on whether I am a doctor or not.
You can question the alignment of me, but then I'd posit: what good does a mafia doctor do in this game? The only town killing action is claimed from HoldenGolden as a ONESHOT vig. So then the question becomes would scum have a doctor to counter a oneshot role? No, of course they wouldn't.

[mastina]

Mastina, other than Chemist who is your scumbuddy?

farside, HoldenGolden, Clover Ebi, and Dunnstral, naturally.

[mastina]

From having played numerous towngames with me and even scumgames where I told the truth about my claim and referenced this trait of mine repeatedly, where it was a talking point.

I think the only game I have played with scum!you was the Skyrim uPick where you claimed to be "VT" and "had no powers" and then you flipped with death janitor powers. So... uh..

I was very careful with my wording that game:

It's kinda a bit demotivating to have no powers in a role madness game

I did have no powers. Powers implies the ability to use your role. I couldn't use any role, and that was the demotivating factor I mentioned. I didn't lie there because I was telling the truth; my only ability that game was death-activated, and as the last groupscum alive, that meant I had no real power at all. I could do nothing that game. The only ability I had was one I couldn't control, couldn't influence, triggered by a situation that would be detrimental to my faction and suicidal as the only groupscum left. So given the lack of ability to trigger that role and given the lack of benefit to triggering that role, I did have no powers and was essentially a VT (well, scum equivalent of one, a goon).

Also, a scum-exclusive role is one where there's the bog-standard "switch to VT" claim aspect to it.
As a strongman, do you think I'll claim "town strongman"? No, I'll claim VT, because I have a scum exclusive role.
As a ninja, do you think I'll claim "town ninja"? No, I'll claim VT, because I have a scum exclusive role.
As a godfather, do you think I'll claim "town godfather"? Well...MAYBE (has happened before), but probably, no, I'll claim VT, because I have a scum exclusive role.
As a janitor--the only "power" I had that game--do you think I'll claim "town janitor"? (Well, not gonna lie, that game I did consider claiming death-activated janitor, my real role, and saying I was a negative utility town role. I ultimately didn't, but I did consider it.) Probably not, I'll claim VT, because I have a scum exclusive role.

There's no lie in claiming VT as a scum exclusive role.

There is a lie in claiming doctor as a scum role that isn't anything other than doctor.

Especially because doctor is an easily-verified claim, easily proven or disproven. Unless you think I'm scum with April, all it'd take is April using one of those alleged tracker/watcher-type powers to confirm or disprove my claim. (Granted, I think April's scum anyway, but this is from the perspective of others trying to sort my alignment.)

If I claimed to have protected someone and there were a tracker/watcher who could disprove my action, I could be caught in a lie--something I avoid at all costs as scum.

I avoid lieing because lies can be caught, lies can be exposed.

Telling the truth is the best way to play scum and I'd argue the ONLY way to play scum. To claim the town equivalent of your role. As a scum roleblocker, claim town roleblocker. As a scum-exclusive role, claim VT. And so on and so forth.

Because the truth cannot be caught in a lie. Saying you took an action you didn't opens the door up to being caught in a lie. Saying you took actions you actually took opens the door up for a town player to conftown you by verifying your actions, by verifying that, yes, you did exactly what you claimed you did.

And every scum game of mine where I've had a power role demonstrates this.

[mastina]

How many scum do we think is in {Farside, Clover, Holden,

April

}?

One.

[mastina]

I just came in here to say mastina is town.
~fire

So the head that has, traditionally, had the HIGHEST READ ACCURACY on me says I am town.

And the hydra is voting me.

That says something.

[mastina]

Also I'm writing a wall for my case against Birds. Gimme like five minutes to finish it.

[mastina]

Also. Let's take a look at Bird's stance on the CONFIRMED SCUM slot, votato:

Votato who is scum

votato, why don't you suggest a new wagon?
-bitmap

(^Coaching)

VOTE: Blatant Scum
new wagon because votato is indecisive and a wuss
-bitmap

(Trying to defuse the wagon on scum)

I think dunnstral vote is the scummiest. He hasn't said anything till that vote on votato.

Well, if votato flips town, guess who gets a visit from TI the next night.
Perhaps I am old-fashioned, but I wouldn't put town on L-1 my very first post as scum.

This sounds like a scum setup where as scum you hard defend a town slot to build credibility.

Indirectly calls votato town.

@votato my hydra maates think ur scum too. Idgi. I am pretty indifferent/null to u.
~fire

But here is scum depending on the head, with their vote off of him.

Votato, why did you never give us that readslist you promised when you were at L-2?
Hydra buddy quote this into our iso, ty

No vote, just distancing which might be coaching.

Votato when it comes to flossing over your posts it’s mostly that you take forever to not really say anything, so I just don’t care very hard.

This.
-bitmap

I think votato is town. Scum wouldn't be this much of a derp to claim that as a fake-claim. There's like no way.
-bitmap

votato town.

What do you make of the content he posted like his reads list?

NAI
-bitmap

In spite of votato's content being nai.

i've repeatedly said i think its a bit early to have solid reads on people. But that said, I don't think the people asking for my reads really care about the reads, and are using them to test me.

What do you mean by this? People testing your reads means they care about your reads, no?

BS: we've been over this previously. the lack of contribution yet wanting to push for claims seems not town-aligned, but other people who know him better seem not to think much of it.

I don't really understand your read on BS. It seems more like a convenience read than a real read.
-turducken

Coaching/distancing.

Votato town
-turducken

chemist has 0 content. you think thats AI?

I think not having content is scummy, so yes. Do you disagree?
-turducken

Coaching/theater.

Votato town
Time to start the PoE pool!
- turducken

@Votato, do you have any strong opinions now?
- turducken

Coaching.

To be honest, I thought that votato was scum when votato refused to claim. However, I could not get over the fact that as scum at L-1, why would votato continue to antagonize the town by refusing to claim? And if scum, why wouldn't votato claim something the town would want to keep around? His play does not conform to my idea of a scum trying to survive. Rather, votato's play looks like a person refusing to conform to this town's expectations.

Moreover, votato on page 27 said that in 20-30 pages votato would have a better idea of reads. Votato mostly provided those reads without prompting. I think that type of approach to the game is more likely to come from town than from scum.
- turducken

Hard-defends votato.

I was being smarmy with the hammer comment. I was pointing out that I was prepared to hammer votato (as evidenced by the unicorn eating gif because votato has a unicorn avatar), but decided against it to see if votato would do anything given a new leash on life.

I think that if I am scum placed at L-1 for multiple days I....
- do not antagonize town by refusing to claim
- do not claim a confusing role

Instead, I would probably claim right away something that would incentivize the town to keep me around. Like Novice Tracker or something to that effect.
- turducken

More hard-defense of votato.

The more I think about votato's role the more confused I get. If he is a Janitor Doctor Watcher... that uh confuses me. If he was just a watcher, he would know who janitored/killed the person. If he was a doctor, that person would never die and the janitor would never go into effect.

votato, can you paraphrase as closely as you can your role?
- turducken

Coaching.

"Ok, so if your target is only targeted by a janitor action (lel) but not killed, your ability would just fail entirely?" yes
"If your target was only targeted by a kill, but not a janitored scum kill, your action would fail entirely?" i dont see why it would have to come from scum if theres a town janitor

ok fair point, but if the target is killed, but not by anything that janitors the body, the action would still fail, that's what you're saying?

More coaching.

Again, Krazy provides fake claims, so it's entirely possible in my mind that votato just claimed the fakeclaim he was given. What do you make of the fact that he clearly didn't understand the role at the time of claiming? I don't think he really 'antagonized town' all that much, he caved pretty quickly after, but maybe I'm biased reading it all in one go instead of being there in real time.

It is possible he did that, but I don't think so at least.
I think votato not understanding the role is a comment on votato as a player, not votato's alignment.

I think votato thought votato understood the role, but upon being asked questions about it obviously did not.
- turducken

More hard-defense of votato.

votato - I was townreading Holden, but I honestly forgot why. I think Holden's refusal to acknowledge that PP was wasted effort because PP could confirm himself as town is potentially scum indicative in that Holden did not want to back down from a bad take
- turducken

Theater.

Well, in that case, you can consider votato hammered. At the time I posted the gif of Voldemort eating the unicorn, I was prepared to hammer votato, but we waited to see if votato would organically engage the game according to what votato promised while getting wagoned. Votato did then follow through with those promises and in general their play does not make much sense coming from scum.
- turducken

While they offered to wagon votato and did so eventually...

JJh, I agree with you that votato is probably not scum. However, a lynch, even on town, is better than a no lynch. Please put him at L-2 so that we at least have a chance of getting a flip today.
- turducken

Sorry buddy

...Was very reluctant (also, could that 'sorry buddy' be in fact, 'sorry my SCUMbuddy'? I think so), and...

VOTE: Dr. Easy Bake

Farside and JJH vote him and we can hammer him
- turducken

...Was fast to hammer DEB instead of votato, happily diverting the D1 wagon away from the scum vig onto town.

This is Bird's iso in regards to votato the FLIPPED SCUM.

And you people are believing Birds when they are claiming parity cop here?

No, Birds is just scum.

[mastina]

In contrast, here's MY interactions with the FLIPPED SCUM votato.

first! VOTE: blatant scum for obvious reasons

Scum.

Clover Ebi + votato + HoldenGolden + Creature

Not a bad guess, to be honest.

Guys quick L-1, again!

Sure, why not?
VOTE: votato

fine. I'm a town night 1-3 combined janitor-doctor watcher.

uh not exactly sure. From what I gather on the wiki, the janitor would be a scum role. From that plus my role PM I guess my role has something to do with being anti-janitor? I'm not exactly sure how it would work. sorry. i think the watcher ability only activates if im successful, if that helps.

i think being useless is probably correlated with being scum. You all seem to know BS much better than I, and if hes a really good player, then theres probably a method somewhere in the apparent madness. I guess this sort of confusion is why I want to wait before jumping to any conclusions about anyone. ironically, this uncertainty makes me a bit useless, so i guess im confirmed scum.

Yeah I don't see what you do in this claim. I'm pretty sure it's bullshit given my own role, so.
VOTE: Votato

Mastina added to scum list.

For what? Not believing a claim that's obviously bullshit?

It's not bullshit. How and why does anyone come up with this as a claim if they didn't get it as their role PM?

Because it's a Krazy game. That's how and why.

Krazy's safeclaims are woefully inadequate for a scumteam and encourage bullshit and this reeks of being precisely that sort of bullshit, the bullshit of someone who doesn't have a real safeclaim so improvised one from scratch.

Krazy's provided fakeclaim? Although why would Krazy give a fakeclaim that's inconsistent with someone else's town role, hm.
-Calvin

Too ridiculous to be a mod-provided fakeclaim. Krazy does give non-safe fakeclaims, but not maliciously

There are mod-provided sample fakeclaims for at least some of the scum but whether they are "safeclaims" is open to debate. I encourage scum to hand-craft their own fakeclaims using the mod-provided fakeclaims as a starting point. The mod-provided fake-claims should prevent the game from being broken by a day-1 massclaim, beyond that I do not make strong promises on the utility of the mod-provided fakeclaims.

^PP gets it, pretty much. This is precisely what I am referring to.

why should we put weight in you saying you're mod confirmable without you actually being mod confirmed?

Oh yeah here's one scum on the doubters train.

@Votato - Target Mistanna, I’ll do so as well.

If I die and am janitored then take it as both April and votato being scum btw.

You're wagoning the person who was the hardest advocate of lynching votato the entire fucking game.

[mastina]

Also as an aside.
This claim from Birds is precisely the sort of thing I'd expect to be coming from scum in a woefully-inadequate-fakeclaim Krazy game, as either their actual shitty 'safe'claim, or their invented replacement thereto.

[mastina]

So either April is an odd night invest even note roleblocker who scum decided to be the deep wolf this entire game.

Btw our actual planned deepwolf was Chemist, since April had a significant chance of being mechanically caught and lynched via mechanics (I explain why both in the mafia PT and in the dead thread), and I was very thoroughly within my scum meta to the point where I knew I would eventually inevitably go down.

When we rolecopped Birds and realized they had checked Chemist/me, that forced a slight adjustment in the plan. (Granted, had farside not busdriven Dunnstral and Birds, our plan would've worked much better since we blocked Birds and had it busdriven to Dunn, and if you read the mafia PT you'll see how we probably win with three scum alive if not for that action, butstill.)

[mastina]

I NEVER make that Bingle kill.

And I NEVER make the Blatant Scum kill.
But with one of us making one, and the other making the other...

[mastina]

Is Mastina really that good at scum?

Eh. In theory. In reality? This is my fifth scumgame in 2020 and the fifth in a row my performance has been lackluster, so...you be the judge.

I will say, behind the scenes in mafia PTs, I am definitely a good scum player. In 3/5 of said lackluster scumgames, I contributed fairly significantly to said scum planning in the scum PT, so in scum strategizing, I am good.

But in dayplay? Well. 5/5 scumgames have sucked ass there, so. You be the judge.

[mastina]

SUPER curious to see the Mafia PT.

It's largely content that displays the clash between April/FL and I.

[mastina]

I can't believe i got RB'ed 2 nights in a row. LOL

Well we didn't know your role yet, had better targets to rolecop, had higher priorities to nightkill, and no better targets to rolecop.

[mastina]

Nah, Mastina and I have a playstyle clash, but I think the combination of it works really well.

Apparently. I was pretty surprised, to be honest; I was expecting it to be far, far more volatile, but it was pretty subdued.

[mastina]

btw congratulations, I've never been so confused as to what is happening on the scum side despite having all the information in front of me before

Playstyle clash.