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VOTE: Infinity

we had a pregame ability to check a person and this person was a red check

hardclaim

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also I have a special proposal as to how we are going to go about tonight's night actions - this game is actually really breakable for town.

-koba

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Ego

Ego

scum opener

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we will be doing dungeon tonight and I will explain why later
-koba

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by we I mean we as a town, not we as in us. we're leveling up tonight because we're obvtown.
-koba

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[hea]Dunns[/heal]
HEAL: Chromium
HURT: srckz

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HEAL: Dunns
HEAL: Chromium
HURT: srckz

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VOTE: OkaPoka

you can't tell me what to do

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HEAL: Anya

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HURT: Emily

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HEAL: Emily

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HURT: Ydrasse
HURT: Isis

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HEAL: cakez
HURT: unwnd

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i already mentioned earlier that this setup was super broken for town and i wasn't kidding - just waiting on infinity to post and I will post what this strategy is, which will make it incredibly easy to box scum in.

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speak of the devil

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so its pretty simple, setup is super broken, we can leash

4

people tonight.

1 person on guillotine, 3 on dungeon.

Scum do not have multitasking - ergo if there's no nightkill there's a high probability that we have 2 scum within the 4.

Scum CAN choose to avoid going on the dungeon trip - however they will be trading.

3 most scummy people should be leashed to it -> the person above that should be guillotine duty.

everyone else levels up, so we can quest later on if needed.

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worst case scenario we enter mylo right away but we get 1 scum guaranteed.

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Not interacting with Koba, they can write about how much I'm scum and it'd still be wrong just like most of their reads in every game.

- unwnd

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=86330

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and also viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86090

my 2 most recent towngames on this site that I had direct influence over

now you can stop discredding my skill and actually play with us

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get yoinked nerd

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Not interacting with Koba, they can write about how much I'm scum and it'd still be wrong just like most of their reads in every game.

- unwnd

Incoming meltdown in 3
a
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Right on time

while normally I would take this as unwnd simply holding a grudge against me, these posts feel like they were premeditated with intent to reduce my credibility rather than just simple annoyance. as if they misjudged the reaction strength that town!them would have had here and overshot it.


its in particular the message that was very immediate right after that strongly pinged me that leads me to this conclusion of a premeditated discred. I do admit I purposefully did out a hurt tag against them as a provocation in order to get an emotional reaction - and this IS it. I'm willing to hear out cakez's side first though before reaching any solid conclusions though, as I have seen scum cakez twice and have better experience with him meta wise.

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Hello Ydra

while normally I would take this as unwnd simply holding a grudge against me

No grudges, merely establishing precedent

in which case your precedence was instantly crushed by my 2 most recent towngames that excludes the one where isis hipfired me in an anti-town way.

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if the party wipe is all within PoE then that is all cool

im actually not sure how this setup is supposed to be played normally tbh lol, i feel like the way im suggesting is like not intended. then again it sound suspiciously like the strategy oka tried to use against me in dark waltz wrt the death pool.

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I don't have anything further to say on the topic, I think you secretly love me or something and I just give you derision in response to your complex feelings

We don't have to be enemies, but you can pretend we are if that makes you happier

i dont feel comfortable in a personal way with that first sentence please never say that towards me again. i'm not getting baited into a 1v1.


what are your first impressions on the slots so far?

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for me personally if i were to go strictly by tone so far, I'd say Isis + srckz would be my gun to head solve right now.

Anya and Emily would be my strongest townreads, otherwise.

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kobas probably town

no im a third party dragon here to steal everyone's gold :3

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i think if you’re town and you get put in the dungeon pool with two other strong scumreads you just don’t go to the dungeon and kill them

we don’t need power roles if we just do that right

nah - no hero shit. this is how we get townies who end up ruining a game because they thought they had a pro scumread on someone and instead they kill 2 townies and then get lined up to die themselves.

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Hello Ydra

while normally I would take this as unwnd simply holding a grudge against me

No grudges, merely establishing precedent

in which case your precedence was instantly crushed by my 2 most recent towngames that excludes the one where isis hipfired me in an anti-town way.

I've never played with "chromium" so what alt or main

its in the sig...

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the issue is if u are wrong it is on your head if you are alive the next day with 3 dead townies and it is mylo so we just lose. don't give scum plausibility to deviate from actions for free and then try to weasel themselves out. just follow plan

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the dumbtell gimmick is cool and all but if you don't out any game related content you're going to be leashed tonight Emily

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Infinity
Dunns
Anya
Ydrasse
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Emily
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Morning Tweet
Isis
srckz

is my current running list i have mentally.


alisae hasn't read anything yet and all e knows is the mech plan i explained to them pregame when I read the setup during confirmation, which they also thought was good and just said e would trust me on mechs lol.

people in the top area, how do you feel about this grouping

people in the bottom area, tell me why I should swap you out from here.

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I wonder if this is the game me and Ydra are the same alignment

But town this time

Much thoughts to be had

Wow this is a scummy post, would scum!unwnd make a scummy post?

i feel this is a joke but i dont get the joke

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the dumbtell gimmick is cool and all but if you don't out any game related content you're going to be leashed tonight Emily

they don’t know kekw

I have it narrowed down to 2 different people it could be, I'm aware.

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I have higher confidence on my tonal read on Anya over Tweet after playing 2 games with Anya, 1 town and 1 scum. in the town game we were able to find each other and ended up winning the game.

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Why is dunn town? How do you read dunn?

I said all my reads are tonal thus far and based off meta - how are you reading them?

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inb4 scum anya rolls this game

i don’t get the difference but Wat Ever

have you played with scum!Anya?

i was under the impression I was playing with her in datisi's most recent normal in her first MS scumgame

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inb4 scum anya rolls this game

i don’t get the difference but Wat Ever

have you played with scum!Anya?

i was under the impression I was playing with her in datisi's most recent normal in her first MS scumgame

no i’ve never played w her

i did read her posts tho bc i thought she was a banned user LMFAO

. no comment bc i did too

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she is from mafia universe, they're all banned users over there

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alisae is gonna hate me cuz i spammed up 6 pages lol

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whats your thought process behind your read on me?

what about my play thus far has screamed that i am town+i am outside my scumrange? @infinity

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scum bail from the group but then you have 2 dead dungeoneerers and 1 alive townie

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scum bail from the group but then you have 2 dead dungeoneerers and 1 alive townie

im sorry i mean 1 alive scum **

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Koba the way I find scum!you is mostly the LAMIST "I'm thinking about something related to the gamestate right now and am waiting for scum to make a move" and there's none of that here. There's a solving purpose behind all your posts so far.

thats literally NAI and the only reason i do it as scum is precisely because i have done it as town... lol

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also the way you read me as scum before was my complacent tone which is making me surprised you came and townread me right away because i know my tone has been not as aggressive as i normally am as town - i do have a reason for this that's like linked to a recent game and actually the reason I'm hydra'ing in this game - but yeah.

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well you have rolled against scum me 4 times, and town me like once or twice, and at least once was you being scum. i dont know why you think that specifically is my scumtell then

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viewtopic.php?p=12317095#p12317095

i had this vague memory about this and yeah - i do this in nearly all my towngames.

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in fact, theres something i wanna see and i will wait and see for it to happen

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well I am still trying to evaluate if your read is coming from a place of TMI or not because I am skeptical atp

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infinity is wily

will u be elaborating?

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well I am still trying to evaluate if your read is coming from a place of TMI or not because I am skeptical atp

last time i caught Infinity was because of TMI on a slot they were trying to pocket - so this is important
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I need to delete infinity before she talks me out of my accurate scumread of her

Why do you scumread her?

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Cause i wnt to

I mean i dont have a strong read on you yet but why would you want to be roleblocked instead of someone outside of you? Either scum doesnt prepare guillotine or they dont go to dungeon and kill people - both options roleblock the scum so from your pov you should want to not be assigned it at all

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Also i dont think ive done anything particularly outside my scumrange except for outting a mech plan that is actually town optimal.

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I think we actually have to do the dungeon N1

If we don't do the dungeon N1 we only have on person with an odd level. That makes us unable to investigate players for whether their level is odd the next night if that player is NKed.

Or at minimum we need two players to prepare the guillotine.

But that removes investigate effects from guillotine preparation.

I think 1 quest 1 guillotine is optimal.
If I do some crazy hard math maybe funky numbers could make just one quest optimal.

stop this - not prepping guillotine is a scumclaim. Its ok on night 1. We will know. There is no way scum can autowin by both failing the quest and the guillotine if they're both assigned to it bc we go down to 6 and then we sleep and all prep guillotine and lim both scum back to back.

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I have an idea for a system to make it democratic who goes-

This lets us have something readable to reference back to when we have flips and also lets us give all of town the most power overall over the poe rather than just the loud people.

heal tags = +1 point for a person
hurt tags = -1 point.

3 people with the lowest score go to dungeon tonight.
the person with the 4th least sharpens guillotine.

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HURT: Infinity
HEAL: Ydrasse

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I have an idea for a system to make it democratic who goes-

This lets us have something readable to reference back to when we have flips and also lets us give all of town the most power overall over the poe rather than just the loud people.

heal tags = +1 point for a person
hurt tags = -1 point.

3 people with the lowest score go to dungeon tonight.
the person with the 4th least sharpens guillotine.

bumping this to this page so it doesnt get lost -koba

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also re: the mushy stuff - i think its all nice and all but im easily pocketed by strong emotional stuff so i'd rather like not dive into it in a game where I'd be susceptible to that

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i'm pretty sure unwnd only invited me to this so he can improve his read accuracy of me <.<

-cake

maybe if I hydra'd with you I wouldn't be throwing the game trying to kill you for no reason >_<

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Not interacting with Koba, they can write about how much I'm scum and it'd still be wrong just like most of their reads in every game.

- unwnd

the beauty of this hydra is koba gets to do koba things and I get to do ali things off of the things koba does and also I can help koba sort through which thoughts I think have value and which ones I think don't have value.

This probably means I'll probably not be posting as much and more behind the scenes than anything.

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I am here to be a hero though!

HERO!

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@dunn i voted infinity on the off chance it created content which I guess it sort of did sort of didnt

in hindsight the night actions in this setup probably have a perfect strategy which is kind of boring

Uhh i would say chromium putting isis/unwind at the bottom of their reads is probably indicative of something like they're reading with their emotions which might be alignment indicative for them couldnt tell you

I want infinity town mayb

ya

I also volunteer to set up guillotine if another person isnt chosen

huh you didn't engage at all with the setup stuff that's weird

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that sounds like something a VOTE: farmer pretending to be a fishing expert would say

lol

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so how many wolves do we think are in this game

i would guess 3 since town get the powers from the adventuring

7x Level 1 Townies
2x Level 1 Mafiosos

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isis up to 12 seems aggressive and I'm not sure what to make of it

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I think Ali is townier than koba fite me about it

What other posts do you think I wrote this day phase

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do u think koba and alisae would go on guillotine duty if we all told them to

don't ask me i'm not the one making that decision i simply don't care enough

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No one is allowed to talk about TM unless they requested to play my game I was the least requested game I cried so much

Only ydrasse may use team mafia meta

My game literally got nuked by a overzealous ABR who was mad he got limmed

He's sniffing his own farts offsite somewhere

I didn't get to play no one wanted me on their team and I got banned so I couldn't play with the team I made :c

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i read up im keeping the lack of opinions i have to myself

SCATTER

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HURT: MT
HURT: Anya
HURT: Isis
HURT: infinity
HEAL: ydrasse
HEAL: dunn
HEAL: Emily
HEAL: srckz

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I ask that people put their full heal/hurt list whenever they add/remove people in order to make it clear who is hurt and who is healed so then I can count them up.

I'll count it up, or someone else can, around 3-6 hours before EoD? (expired on 2021-05-21 21:21:39)

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HURT: Anya
HURT: infinity
HEAL: ydrasse
HEAL: dunn
HEAL: srckz
___________________

HEAL: Isis
HURT: Emily

Isis towntold

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oh i accidentally didnt copy my MT hurt but thats still applicable

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for me personally if i were to go strictly by tone so far, I'd say Isis + srckz would be my gun to head solve right now.

Anya and Emily would be my strongest townreads, otherwise.

kobas probably town

no im a third party dragon here to steal everyone's gold :3

@Ali

Thought you wrote these posts.

those were both me, in fact they're both distinctly my style with the terminology used -koba

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I want to say I characterize town infinity as someone who puts care into their reads, even if they are gut they are still evaluating them and asking questions. The way they are treating me here is what I have seen from their scumgame moreso than their towngame. I'd rather not tip my hand atp so she doesn't just change up her behavior here and rather see what they keep doing without being told what it is I am seeing - but I am at a point of confidence on the read here. Also I was busy last night but Alisae and I did dialogue about the game a little bit and we did settle on a dunn townread and we wanted to put pressure on a specific person to see if they towntell. in fact largely we are vibing with our mutual reads, no real disagreement rn.

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I disagree.

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Like gdi I wrote a poem about my isis read what do you want from me

You did that when you were scum in ss3 tho

O wait

You did that when I was scum in SS3 : upside down smile:

she's trying to spew you as partner

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I'm not sure how to explain what Iean about being a hall monitor being scummy.
I think like, cause it's a way to seem like contributing?
I think there is something bigger about it that I can't articulate.

I'm not 100% what you mean by this but i agree with the vibe of what you are trying to say if you get what i mean.

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I have no idea how I towntold

I don't feel like the answer to that will be very ai but I'm naturally curious
Pedit: post 600 wasn't directed at anyone in particular

rather you "uninformed" told, where you are coming off with your posts as someone who is not informed(mafia).

your paranoia is mainly however what I am townreading in that you have that "town" level of paranoia as opposed to a fake scum one.

I can't really explain it in more detail at this point because I'm no good at explaining this kind of stuff but your recent postings especially just come off as town perspective here, whereas earlier I was reading into your other posts earlier as anti-town, which had defaulted me to PoEing you.

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A small part of that is also how Infinity is treating you - but I have tried to shy away from pre-flip stuff unless it's at least day 2+ where I can actually have reasonable conviction because of flips existing.

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Chromium what are your thoughts on Anya currently?

they seem town but they have not been close to leaving their scumrange, however this morning their postings did make them go up in terms of my read on them here. As of right now srckz/ydrasse/anya/emily are slots I am willing to switch around and the rest are a bit more static in terms of being within the hurt/heal zone.

once i see anya actually push on someone i feel I will be able to discern their alignment better because that is something I can read better into I feel.

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gen 1 is terrible and that's valid

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they seem town but they have not been close to leaving their scumrange, however this morning their postings did make them go up in terms of my read on them here. As of right now srckz/ydrasse/anya/emily are slots I am willing to switch around and the rest are a bit more static in terms of being within the hurt/heal zone.

once i see anya actually push on someone i feel I will be able to discern their alignment better because that is something I can read better into I feel.

What's caused you to abandon the tonal townread you've had of her in the beginning ?

It isn't I specifically abandoned that specific tonal read - it is that I abandoned all my tonal reads in favor of reads on actual post content. My early reads are nearly always bullshitted with like maybe 20% seriousness max unless someone has an egregious tell.

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There's something that i realized that Emily helped me realize while thinking about how to phrase my post in response to their question and I wanna see how Anya continues her play before I out it to see if she actually does it without me pointing out so it's not a tainted read if it happens.

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What do you like about SrCkz and Ydrasse so far?

ydrasse, same kind of read that i have on isis, plus a little gut of meta having played with town and scum her. my most shallow read atp admittedly, but alisae also leans town there iirc from my conversation with em.

as much as i hate to say it, i think unwnd aggression leans town, and also cakez play feels town - i have had this nagging feeling that unwnd is trying to pocket me however and that's why they're in the "could move" zone atp. im not sure what to make of them consistently promoting no conflict - been trying to find a motivation for it.

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There's something that i realized that Emily helped me realize while thinking about how to phrase my post in response to their question and I wanna see how Anya continues her play before I out it to see if she actually does it without me pointing out so it's not a tainted read if it happens.

Koba is this the type of LAMIST stuff you say you do as town? It's much townier than when you do it as scum

this isn't LAMIST, it's acknowledging there's a conclusion I think I've reached but I want to be patient and confirm the pattern is present, and also unnerve the player it is targeting. This is my playstyle. If I do something as scum its precisely because i would do it as town too.

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Aww poor rejected Emily . I think both gents would reject basically anyone, of that helps you heal.

LAMIST means "look at me, I'm so town", it means a post that the poster thought would be townread when the poster posted it and is designed to have that effect. It can benefit and relate to either wincon but there's some basic ways it can relate more to the scum wincon and there are also certain contexts where it can skew even more heavily to a relationship with the scum wincon.

And it's NAI for me because I wanna be townread as either alignment

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HURT: Anya
HEAL: Emily

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@Emily The reason I brought it up is because koba tends to make similar posts as scum but they're much more vague and it's harder to see town motivation behind them. Here it's much more believable. Koba disagrees because they think they can exactly replicate their towngame as scum but they can't imo.

obviously I can't exactly but that's bc I have to shape gamestate away from partners. last time i rolled scum against you, i was townread by you and several people who have played against scum me and town me so I'd say that i actually am good at it. you only caught me once as scum. so your confidence seems a bit unfounded. you know you are being caught here based on TMI and you need to shape the conversation to be that you have "accuracy" on my slot - when the direct last time we played you literally misread me because I self manipulated my meta when you did catch me out because I had a weaker partner who I needed to defend.

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anya is me 6 months ago

were you better or worse then

the answer is yes

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I hate tracker shots and want to do 8 trainings tonight can we please do that.
Tracker shots feel like they always miss

Stop suggesting anti town mechs please

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Its about the pseudo roleblock not the tracker ability

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Infy tweet quest.

Anya guillo
Everyone else grind

If you get the other people on board then I'd be willing to end day

I'd like to hear both of their reads though

a) if you want that, vote for it.
b) we are not ending day early. rushing is not pro-town ever.

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I thought of the send 2 people to dungeon thing before but the other scum could surprise help with the dungeon so I was like oh that doesn't work.
But I guess you would learn that one of the original two people who were assigned dungeon duty are scum so it would be worth it.

2 in dungeon one on guillotine seems optimal to me now.

I think it likely keeps is from getting to cop ever because the most likely outcome is that three townies die night one but I think the large number of incremental advantages would be way better than a single cop shot.

can u please stop wasting discussion time on stuff that is like explicitly a pro scum strategy?

scum arent going to surprise help townies from not dying. this doesn't make sense.

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I have an idea for a system to make it democratic who goes-

This lets us have something readable to reference back to when we have flips and also lets us give all of town the most power overall over the poe rather than just the loud people.

heal tags = +1 point for a person
hurt tags = -1 point.

3 people with the lowest score go to dungeon tonight.
the person with the 4th least sharpens guillotine.

reminder - since people did agree to this

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anyways im going back to my video game, i'd rather people discuss eachothers alignment rather than try to push suboptimal mech play that just helps scum.

only assigning 2 to dungeon to die is strictly worse unless we exactly catch both scum in PoE

if 2 townies die we literally have 0 info vs with the plan that was initially proposed there is a guaaranteed guilty out of that situation of moving straight into mylo

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HURT: Isis

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trying to reduce the PoE number is not good and you should stop.

considering you thought its a good idea to shoot someone without letting them claim in a setup where a wrong shot could have resulted in an instant loss for your alignment i shouldn't be surprised here but mathematically roleblocking 4 people and only going to MYLO via having a caught scum, vs only 3 people and potentially guaranteed mylo, is bad.

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I thought of the send 2 people to dungeon thing before but the other scum could surprise help with the dungeon so I was like oh that doesn't work.
But I guess you would learn that one of the original two people who were assigned dungeon duty are scum so it would be worth it.

2 in dungeon one on guillotine seems optimal to me now.

I think it likely keeps is from getting to cop ever because the most likely outcome is that three townies die night one but I think the large number of incremental advantages would be way better than a single cop shot.

If the two people sent to dungeon are both town we open tomorrow with 3 dead town though.

It's high risk high reward. We could also immediately win the game.

Big picture, we are going to decide as a group to kill X people over the course of the game and in between those the mafia will get to kill Y people. We get more control who the last couple people alive are when X is big and Y is small. If we take turns where we kill 2 people night one when the mafia kills one person night one we improve that ratio a lot more than by letting mafia get the first kill tonight while we get zero.

Taken to the extreme if we were too afraid of killing townies we would all just train and quest every night and never ready the guillotine while the mafia nightkills all the townies of the whole game and wins

no thanks.

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we choose to ROLEBLOCK 4 people - we can gain a mislim here and stay at 9 and then discuss further because obviously scum can no kill WIFOM.

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and then we also have the info of a tracker etc.

we would need more in depth discussion if we do end up having a no kill occur, but basically it works out better this way.

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here are the scenarios for my plan:

catch 0 scum: only 1 death, go to 8 way with a town controlled tracker ability that is within PoE and an elimination available(or scum wifom no kill to go to 9 way)

catch 1 scum: on guillotine->either go to 6 way with 1 scum limmed. on dungeon-> potentially go into 6 way mylo with 1 confscum to lim, or scum wifom a no kill and it goes to 9 way.

catch 2 scum: go into 9 way without a night kill happening with an available elimination, alternatively this could look like catching 1 scum on guillotine if scum on guillotine chooses to shoot instead after being assigned to guillotine THUS WHY THE PERSON AT TOP OF POE GOES HERE RATHER THAN BOTTOM

scenarios with your plan:

0 scum on dungeon: 3 dead townies. go to mylo right away with no info other than flipped townies. <--- most likely outcome
1 scum on dungeon: 2 dead townies. Scum aren't going to go to dungeon, and will carry the kill.
2 scum on dungeon: autowin, but extremely unlikely.

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roleblocking 4 people

Where do you see this? Nobody dies if the dungeon is cleared lol

the scum still have a nightkill.

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like seriously if you think scum are going to willingly join a dungeon instead of just carrying the nightkill and keeping the guillotine sharpener unclear thats crazy

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" on dungeon-> potentially go into 6 way mylo with 1 confscum to lim, or scum wifom a no kill and it goes to 9 way."
This doesn't seem right. If one scum is assigned to dungeon and one is assigned to train, the scum assigned to train performs the kill, and the scum assigned to the dungeon does the quest. This is indistinguishable from one scum assigned to train doing a kill and one scum assigned to train actually training. We would go to 8p and know very little. Is there something I'm missing?

the scum can choose to bail instead and sac themselves to get mylo which is advantageous.

would you as scum not take that opportunity to kill 3 townies in 1 fell sweep?

its objectively a good trade for scum, but still good for town in the sense that it gives us a red flip to work with info wise.

also it keeps the guillotine holder unclear anyway, like i mentioned before.

we can do math later on wrt another dungeon in that case with leveling. i havent thought that far ahead yet.


yes scum can choose to complete the dungeon though - but with retaining an elimination for town and potentially giving us a tracker on a PoE slot.

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i would prefer to just sac and give town low info

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also if im town here im not going to willingly let myself die if i were to be sent to dungeon so also there's that.

there's a higher incentive to disobey for a townie which is reasonable because you will guaranteed die without a scum dying.

if 3 people are sent its a guarantee if all 3 people are town that they will live - and i would personally be ok with dying with the caveat that another player is confirmed scum from it.

its much more enjoyable for the people who are PoEd because it makes it less of a self chosen death sentence at night phase and an opportunity to become a PR, or to confirm a scum with their death.

[Chromium]

I agree with sending tweet for different reasons

I'd rather force scum to guillo than give them a choice between being pissy and doing the guillo

ur still scum but this is an objective truth - refusing to do guillo is just a straight scumclaim and we dont need to worry about that rn because we just sleep and then lim them next day.

[Chromium]

1 scum on dungeon: 2 dead townies. Scum aren't going to go to dungeon, and will carry the kill.

This is 2 dead townies and a cop guilty tho. That's pretty good.

ur intentionally trying to reduce town EV.

[Chromium]

cool - i hardclaim that i will refuse to go to dungeon if isis' plan is adopted and i stand by that.

[Chromium]

also if im town here im not going to willingly let myself die if i were to be sent to dungeon so also there's that.

there's a higher incentive to disobey for a townie which is reasonable because you will guaranteed die without a scum dying.

if 3 people are sent its a guarantee if all 3 people are town that they will live - and i would personally be ok with dying with the caveat that another player is confirmed scum from it.

its much more enjoyable for the people who are PoEd because it makes it less of a self chosen death sentence at night phase and an opportunity to become a PR, or to confirm a scum with their death.

[Chromium]

there is 100% at least 1 scum within this mech conversation between infinity/isis/srckz.

the way emily is approaching it is towny so i am excluding them here.

[Chromium]

I feel like Isis is trying really hard to come up with a plan that opposes koba because she's scum.

805 - I feel like asking us to make a high risk high reward play on day 1 is wrong? For players to want to take a risk, they must feel confident in something. It's really hard to feel confident on D1 when it comes to anything.

The fact that Koba is having kickback at all when it comes to their strat is something I find interesting.

[Chromium]

but im used to having people be stubborn on shitmechs after having played in Betrayal Mafia (lilith's game), where I laid out a perfect mech plan, explained why it is good, and people decided it is better to just do whatever they want and attacked me.

i literally laid out why mine is optimal - explain why the other way is optimal WHILE CONSIDERING THE MOST LIKELY OPTION TO OCCUR.

i dont care that it could be an autowin.

thats a forbidden fruit that doesn't happen here

[Chromium]

well you're in luck because my plan is more fun for the townies who end up getting PoE'd like I explained, while the other way is bad for townies.

[Chromium]

I tend to be a pessimist on read accuracy so I'd be willing to do something with slightly better EV that requires elim decisions to be made in fewer RL days. In practice it's possible for dayplay to achieve so much that a harder EV with better dayplay is better.

you are not confident you could hit 2 scum within 4/9?

[Chromium]

also i know infinity is like obvscum at this point but like in case you aren't convinced by this point, them dropping off a discred post on me at a point where i'm about to go into meltdown mode is also scum indicative, like its just meant to instigate and get me angry

[Chromium]

I've been approaching this more from the viewpoint of finding 4 townies and I'm currently stuck on Chromium - Isis - Dunnstral.

5 townies = we go into 9 way with a lim tomorrow.

[Chromium]

oh you're counting yourself too - subconscious towntell owo

[Chromium]

I feel like 2 scum in 4/9 is really hard.

thats literally how many times town gets to elim in a 9p 2 scum setup typically.

9->7->5->3->2

[Chromium]

Koba could be scum tbh

This is a really convenient stance for you to have.
Ya let's just base the read off of koba when you can just read the easier player to read. Yes I've probably said something similar in student council, but you could catch a scum!Ali. You would know that a scum!Ali would be all up in this game and you would probably see a lot more of it. I'm not actively posting so it's easy to just forget that I don't exist, but that also means its easier to be like "hey guys koba seems like scum. Why? cuz its koba lol."

This reads super dishonest tbh.

[Chromium]

Koba honestly if me arguing mech with you and considering the possibility that you're scum tilts you you probably shouldn't be playing mafia

no i said you are trying to instigate me and put me into meltdown mode further - this post is not helping either.

[Chromium]

Koba not every person who has a different idea of how to play the mech than you is trying to intentionally lower town EV.

Isis contributes to open design.
She should be held to a higher standard.

[Chromium]

Koba not every person who has a different idea of how to play the mech than you is trying to intentionally lower town EV.

Isis contributes to open design.
She should be held to a higher standard.

Basically she knows better

[Chromium]

I should probably start signing my posts here lol
but also im going to finish my KH2 rando and go to bed.

-koba

[Chromium]

I've been approaching this more from the viewpoint of finding 4 townies and I'm currently stuck on Chromium - Isis - Dunnstral.

Me - Dunn - Cakez hydra
is what i have so far

[Chromium]

Koba could be scum tbh

This is a really convenient stance for you to have.
Ya let's just base the read off of koba when you can just read the easier player to read. Yes I've probably said something similar in student council, but you could catch a scum!Ali. You would know that a scum!Ali would be all up in this game and you would probably see a lot more of it. I'm not actively posting so it's easy to just forget that I don't exist, but that also means its easier to be like "hey guys koba seems like scum. Why? cuz its koba lol."

This reads super dishonest tbh.

Ali you ignore that you were my strongest TR in one night stand I'm much much more confident in my ability to read koba

Wow I got you to have me as your strongest TR once after student council wow ig it's just impossible to read me huh

Come on now
I can't be that hard for you to read.
It can't be that hard to spot a villager Ali if you try.
O wait.
You've never had to spot an ali villager
and if you just pretend that I don't exist
ig you never will huh

[Chromium]

I've been approaching this more from the viewpoint of finding 4 townies and I'm currently stuck on Chromium - Isis - Dunnstral.

Me - Dunn - Cakez hydra
is what i have so far

Cakez hydra is one of my stronger SRs at this point

From the glimpses of this game that I've read, I feel like their posting is probably fine and doesn't seem as scum motivated as say, Isis.

[Chromium]

I limmed conftown in an open setup once cause I didn't understand the setup lol

We are all human

But yes I'm the open queue listmod lol

I think scum would try to pick a fight with Koba on mechs. I've did it before as scum and they came up with a decent mech plan that I made sure didn't happen.

[Chromium]

From the glimpses of this game that I've read, I feel like their posting is probably fine and doesn't seem as scum motivated as say, Isis.

Should I write up the full case.

I worry I will be killed and they will run the table after I am gone.

don't ask
just do

[Chromium]

Wow I got you to have me as your strongest TR once after student council wow ig it's just impossible to read me huh

Come on now
I can't be that hard for you to read.
It can't be that hard to spot a villager Ali if you try.
O wait.
You've never had to spot an ali villager
and if you just pretend that I don't exist
ig you never will huh

I'm 1/2 at reading you

I'm 4/6 at reading koba or smth

Idk your play is pretty idiosyncratic and it might be a while before I feel comfortable reading you

But idk why you care about this so much I'm about to die like

which games
-koba

[Chromium]

Wow I got you to have me as your strongest TR once after student council wow ig it's just impossible to read me huh

Come on now
I can't be that hard for you to read.
It can't be that hard to spot a villager Ali if you try.
O wait.
You've never had to spot an ali villager
and if you just pretend that I don't exist
ig you never will huh

I'm 1/2 at reading you

I'm 4/6 at reading koba or smth

Idk your play is pretty idiosyncratic and it might be a while before I feel comfortable reading you

But idk why you care about this so much I'm about to die like

your read comes across as dishonest and I just wanted to call it out.

[Chromium]

Mech discussion is moot since DkKoba is boycotting all plans besides theirs.

So just vote on the four people to clear the dungeon and set guillotine

Sigh this feels like we're letting koba force their agenda

HURT: koba

whats my agenda?

[Chromium]

which games

Bending, student council, black flag, names on the list, two open games that I spectated and forget the names of

Your agenda is a mech plan that seems less optimal to me

you misread me in black lfag

you misread me in bending

names on the list i forgot about - but that one i was not scumreading you and had you townlocked early on.

[Chromium]

after some discussion with alisae -

HEAL: emily
HEAL: isis
HEAL: dunns
HEAL: ydrasse

HURT: anya
HURT: infininity <- most confident on this based on how uncharitable they are being atp to us vs others and how their behavior is pockety towards isis. we're basically convinced its a confscum at this point trying to self sac and push us into the PoE and take us down with them.
HURT: morning tweet
HURT: srckz <- least sure on this one, might turn into a heal at some point. alisae and i are in disgreement about this one, its not an easy read, i think unwnd is playing scummy, but alisae disagrees with the interpretation.

[Chromium]

lmao right as i posted that, alisae posted in our chat basically exactly the PoE i posted, except said srckz is town like i mentioned.

[Chromium]

anya why did you jump onto isis' modified strategy? what did you agree with on it over the 4 person plan?

[Chromium]

All my scumreads except infinity are townreading other slots and putting the people I didn't really townread at the bottom.

That's why.
Like infinity I scumread, tweet I don't townread, you I townread maybe like a tiny bit I need a microscope

Chromium's plan is harsh in requiring me to find a fourth


Ydrasse said she was coming around on me and picked me for dungeon the same post, Ydrasse can you clarify whether that means you haven't come all the way around on me? Going to the dungeon seems good but you know you send your scumreads to the dungeon right

ok this post puts my mind back at ease that this slot is town because the thought process is so complex and pings towny.

[Chromium]

Hi

The reason I wanted to do 2 dungeon to die and 1 guillotine is because I'm pretty sure I've seen the whole game have this consensus

Tweet/Infinity are scum, then maybe like one or two scattershot opinions like..me or anya potentially being scum. Let me just state that I am very cautious to think the solve is justTweet/Infinity. If they were both just playing at such a level where town all magically synchronized on D1 and found each other as town, that I wouldn't even care about PRs. We found the scum and the solve has been put forth. I think what made me want to dismantle the plan (or go against it) is that I'm personally not looking forward to not one but two days of confbias because we don't have an elimination, therefore the dungeon could be like a d1 elimination.

did you like ignore everything i wrote countering that?

[Chromium]

Why would we have 2 days without an elim?
The n1 dungeon in a "send 2" case would be a mislim, not an elimination.

[Chromium]

scum arent gonna go to the dungeon with that plan if theyre scum. Theyre gonna dodge anyways. Only way is if the 2 chosen are exactly the scumteam, and i dont trust us to get that perfect accuracy and would rather account for contingencies and not risk -ev for us.

[Chromium]

Its a mislim because anyone who actually dies is town.

what is wrong with you, do you just see red whenever i post?

[Chromium]

maybe if you actually read my counter arguments i presented youd have seen it.

Anyways, why do you think its more optimal?
whats flawed about the other way?
explain for us.

[Chromium]

Run your thought back

Is Infinity/Tweet just mislims? What's the fucking point then if you think that

what if one of them is town? What we doing then?

[Chromium]

isis why the fuck did you present this stupid plan, now i have to deal with people not reading my logic in good faith

[Chromium]

Hi I don't care about your stupid plan what's your read on Infinity/Tweet specifically

You called it a mislim just now

what if one of them is town? What we doing then?

50/50 trade?[/quote
Fuck off
Not talking to you anymore

I will personally go on the trip if yall try to push the 2 people plan.

[Chromium]

And if yall try to put me in it i wont go

[Chromium]

keep digging that hole infinity.
You are being so uncharitable to my slot it isnt even funny.

unwnd you too - i know you suck ass at reading me as town

Im at work.


isis why did you switch your read on me? This switch as soon as inf/srckz started attacking me is nagl.


as for infinity's fake case on me i am going to demolish it as soon as i get home.

I cant believe that some of you actually have to be town and its highkey embarrassing for whoever it is.

[Chromium]

no one has explained why my plan is worse than the one yall are trying to do now btw - i refuse to suicide on a 2 person mission and if yall send a 2 person mission i will force our slot to go to maintain that even tho its town throwing.

[Chromium]

@unwnd out your read on infinity now.

[Chromium]

That's not how that works koba, I'm the one who asked you to out your read on Infinity/Tweet and instead you come back with performative nonsense lol

Both scum.

[Chromium]

Consensus is super important 50% of ppl's posts should include what they want out of the leashing tonight.

Executioner tweet, chrom infinity Anya quest

Why are you suddenly pushing me as a scumread?

[Chromium]

Consensus is super important 50% of ppl's posts should include what they want out of the leashing tonight.

Executioner tweet, chrom infinity Anya quest

Why are you suddenly pushing me as a scumread?

I'm a sucker for hardslips so I like unwnd's point about the mislim comment

It wasnt a fucking slip literally 1 post later its explained.

[Chromium]

That's not how that works koba, I'm the one who asked you to out your read on Infinity/Tweet and instead you come back with performative nonsense lol

Both scum.

...Why do you disagree with killing them off in the dungeon then

I wanr a 3 person dungeon.
Check my hurt list.

[Chromium]

I have a hard time telling the difference between those sometimes but I think isis is misreading me and koba is trying to get me killed

if i was trying to get town you killed as scum id take isis' option.

[Chromium]

Perhaps think about that one huh.

im trying to prevent town death if it isnt necessary or doesnt confirm a scum. Fucking crazy amirite?

theres so many many many more reasons to tr me and people are just being uncharitable as fuck by making up bs reasons.


If you really think your read on me is wrong infinity dialogue me. Refute the points. You're just throwing yourself at the person who led when theres little time left in the day and its causing chaos. This is what i expect when i have POEd scum into a tight spot.
Idk what isis is doing but if shes town consider again: chess mafia

[Chromium]

Im having trouble seeing these perspectives coming out of this line.

Someone here is scum and ydrasee is spewed town by gamestate

[Chromium]

i’m not sure what i would expect from a scum!unwnd regarding me but i think that it’d be either more pockety or a read that doesn’t like... advance wincon by sorting me more thru what i do if that makes sense

town unwnd is capable of being grossly uncharitably wrong so theyre still in townrange regrettably

[Chromium]

Im confused what are the votes for

[Chromium]

im gonna dive in and reread everyone with a fresh mind and push my daystart biases aside.
Im giving everyone a chance for reeval.

Also if anyone who has doubts in me wants to ask me any questions about any post i made i can likely ellaborate if you quote it and ask

One thing I'll add is that scum me would have made a few complacent plays here. And if i made the plan i did i would put myself into poe with 2 townies, and have my partner bus me.
There is not much reasonable doubt that the

actions

that i have taken thus far are from a town perspective.

Idk but i feel minus being like super aggro which is something ive been intentionally trying to lessen that comes out primarily when i am frustrated with someone.
I want to solve as much as possible with n0 actions. Lets make sure it happens

[Chromium]

I still remain at Emily/You/Isis maybe having one scum but I can't really see the team here. If it's the team then you know, I get what's coming to me. I'm gonna assume you all have my best interest however because I don't see anything that would contradict it. That being said, being scum can get really tiring and it gets harder to remember what your stances are. In fortress, you switched onto me because it benefited the game-state. I feel like you're more a sprinter than a gradual pace type of scum anyways, so you'll have this really big and grand moments people will look back on (hopefully favorably) but then you get exhausted and can't really keep up the impressions. I would be lying if I didn't say that I want to see how far your limits would potentially be in that sense. If there are no limits, I feel you're one of those players who really love town so the only thing that would deflate you is if we're losing or you feel the cause of it.

why are u talking about yourself so much here

[Chromium]

im home now but im going to take a mental break before diving in to the thread.

id really rather not be in PoE because I believe I can be reasonably read here as town by other townies -> if you do townread me, speak up. Don't let scums speak louder.

i feel like finally when i got aggressive against Isis wrt her mech suggestion, I crossed back into my old townplay which is read as "scummy" by people who read playstyle first and intent second.



i dont think im a hard person to read, people just are not comfortable in leaving their comfort zone to do so. like there's several actions i would have taken that would be scum indicative for me - like accepting isis' plan because it does benefit scum more for instance. or try to rush the day end under the guise of "theres nothing to do" rather than make an elaborate system under which people's reads can be better scrutinized(which IDK why people are trying to abandon because it is literally going to just help us down the line when people are flipped)

in my last towngame, i had lost because i didn't double down on a slot that was reading me in an incredibly uncharitable light just because someone was yelling that they were their townread and im not willing to make that mistake here.


i'd like to see more depth from others regarding their reads on others, i feel like there's little solving going on and too much mech focus and its hurting us.

i'd like to know if anyone has experience with scum!isis and if they feel that isis here is still within her scumrange.


i want to know why people are saying Anya is scummy -> I am not outting my own reasons atp, I want to see others' perspective because mine is very clearly different based on meta.


and i guess i wanna vent that the srckz slot has done nothing but dampen my enjoyment of playing here with how they have approached me. like im not sure whether im more disappointed in them as scum or town here because there's aspects of it that are horrible for either. like if you have in the past hardtunneled town me while also being town - it makes 0 sense to do 0 reeval when you are reading the same exact type of actions you scumread before as scummy again.

idk im fucking exhausted from IRL, and I feel so apprehenseive like there's not enough time, and i guess last resort i wanna say just let us resolve ourselves in the longterm, alisae especially will townspew in the longrun. if yall feel like that isnt true by limlo, you can always vote us (and lose) but thats not gonna happen here so i'm confident in saying that.

[Chromium]

there's too many slots approaching us in bad faith to be a pure scum push so its just upsetting when you see the 3rd name start bashing on you with shitty reasoning.

like seriously - just reread our ISO, its one of those reads that should be plainly obvious.


like i mentioned earlier once i rest up and have a mental reset i wanna reviist all slots and reread them

my PoE atp is still the same it was earlier. dunns is still my strongest townread.

[Chromium]

1133's closing sounds like like the people who mislim chromium on a hypothetical eLo are on a different team from Chromium

I swear I'm not confbiased, I liked some of the earlier parts of the post actually and felt disappointed

how

[Chromium]

here's a thought exercise: instead of finding reasons to fit
"chromium is scum"

take posts and then say "what is my conclusion on this post independently of what i think of their alignment" (or string of posts - posts don't need to exist in a vacuum)

you will reach a better more accurate read that way.

[Chromium]

ironically enough the type of language i use is because of alisae, who told me i need to work with town in order to with as town and i've been working on coming off as saying im more of a team player rather than lashing out all the time(yeah i know im bad at it)

the way i word stuff shouldnt matter but rather the content. you're never gonna catch me on weird wording - its NAI.

[Chromium]

im done catching up talking things over with unwnd then will dump thoughts here

-cake

Koba it feels like you've run out of gas, you never run out of gas this early as town

You sound deflated

and where have i done so as scum?

this is a non point.

[Chromium]

and where have i done so as scum?

this is a non point.

You're deflated as scum compared to your town self

Idk how to better describe it I just gut scumread you I'm not 100% confident but that's how I feel

prove it

[Chromium]

(protip i know this is full of shit because i enjoy playing scum much more than town and do not 'deflate' as scum. i get deflated as town because precisely i feel lost in the gamestate or i feel hopeless for the future being setup.)

[Chromium]

I've caught people on wording before but I've also met people I've learned need to be exempted or exempted for certain things because of their natural inclinations too

im autistic. that is all i am going to say about this.

[Chromium]

@infinity which posts are delated to you btw?

i want you to quote the first ones you noticed.


i'm testing you now on your progression.

and no, even if you change your read on me here I'm still questioning you.

[Chromium]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86324&user_select[]=33894 here's an ISO from my most recent scum game <- @infinity come show me exactly where I sound "deflated" and how early it is.


i did replace in on late day 1 i know, but this is actually a really good example because objectively my slot was in a really shit position compared to where I am(well was before the scumreads poured in on my slot).

[Chromium]

infinity frozen

[Chromium]

I scumread user Infinity 324

[Chromium]

That is all

[Chromium]

koba here, I slept for like 15 hours.

hi johnny, nice to have a sanity check on my play thus far, it puts my mind at ease because I've been feeling poorly about my play but when I see someone else pop in and have a really similar mindset it puts it at ease.

[Chromium]

i reread. who is MT's partner is the solution here.


i still think infinity top choice because of their very uncharitable reads on me that rely on being locked into a certain mindset that they are not willing to break out of,i really really really tried to see like a town motivation there, but I gave them the info, and it looks really hard because I know that what infinity is saying is not true.

like i had that "fireball" aggression in team mafia against her and she townread me for it sure - but i was SCUM there - so saying that that is my scum meta is ridiculous from infinity's POV. I was this way in Names on the List too before replacing out, in which i was participating in for the same number of IRL days as this, and they saw me as town.

but also rereading Black Flag - how did YOU feel when people were suspecting you for being less "aggressive" and knowing you were town? - think back to that. I'm in that position right now.

[Chromium]

That last sentence is a "if you're town" type question, if you're scum then you're just gonna keep tunneling me.

[Chromium]

but also

Super if it helps I have a decently strong TR on koba and I have a pretty good history of correctly reading them.

[Chromium]

also reminder we have a geriatric restriction of 10 posts per day - im personally busy tomorrow so I don't mind dumping all mine rn.


i said id use up all my posts in the first 24 hours but it seems datisi tricked me and made it a per IRL day cap rather than a per phase cap

I also already have a tonal scumread on at least 1 person who has posted thus far. I'll keep it to myself for now

wait i remember distinctly infinity said something about this kinda stuff and they were townreading me in this game while i did it -> the more i read through this meta the more i realize how much infinity has bullshitted t heir reads more than my memory remembers .


yeah no.

infinity+MT im locking that in. =

[Chromium]

but as always, im not gonna just be hasty, i'll let you have a response here with an explaination infinity, even give you a chance to reeval.

I'm gonna move onto other slots but infinity slot was the one I needed to most resolve fully and reeval, and the meta dive was what i needed to do to see what should be reasonably expected from a town!infinity mindset, and how town!infinity has read me in the past and for what.

[Chromium]

I want to trust tweet but I'm not all the way there yet - I think she feels earnest in a way that's honest to me.

Does Infinity and SrCkz make sense for a scum team?

It feels like they are both working together to undermine Koba but they don't actually believe Koba is scum.

like i said earlier, unwnd has no good metric by which to read my alignment(protip: read the motivation behind what i'm doing unwnd, not the action itself. thats an easy trap to scumread townies like myself who just have a playstyle), so if anything its NAI that unwnd is treating me this way.

[Chromium]

viewtopic.php?t=85539&f=90&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

viewtopic.php?t=85633&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

@unwnd if u wanna talk about "wrong reads", i got forced into a scumread onto your slot based on bad faith from yours. wasn't my best game due to all the weird town plays that fucked me up, but i noticed my progression regarding "energy" was very very similar there to here, which should be of note, especially since you misread me there.

[Chromium]

Subject: BooneyToonz XV: Dance of the Dark Fairy [Third Moonlight]

ok but point out where u see scum motivation tho.

saying "nothing" came out of it is lazy.

I'm not going to fight you, figure out a different way to "read" me.

i already read u as town

dunno why u think im pushing back bc i scumread u.

being wrong does not mean someone is scum thats literally mafia 101.

ppl got major town infallible syndrome where they think town has to be this perfect being where they cant make any mistakes and the slightest slipup = they're scum.

[Chromium]

reminder, since i flipped green that game ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Chromium]

im skipping ydrasse because ydrasse is someone i just give up on reading until i find something consistent, i usually sort them by endgame though.

[Chromium]

anya's recent push onto MT reminds me of their push on Norwee in Mini 2199 Normal: Baseball in terms of energy.


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86090

that and combined with Johnny's entrance showing that their perspective is similar to mine makes me feel that slot is town here. I was concerned with the slot since we had just finished a scumgame where she just sat back and let people fight, but that's been mostly alleviated here.

[Chromium]

my mind is an enigma

i have more success in reading spf than I do you, and that's saying something.

[Chromium]

true. spf lied.

[Chromium]

ydrasse, isis or MT, who am i meta diving next?

[Chromium]

do u have any games with isis that are recent? i dont feel chess mafia is that reliable and i wanna just see a better game if possible

[Chromium]

i have a hot take

[Chromium]

in this game there's a lot of "questioning" and aloof behavior from Isis, while in chess mafia I see a lot more solid convictions. mind you this is like a REALLY small sample size.

I don't know if im allowing to be confbiased because i also know isis' suggested plan caused the gamestate to both get really fucked and the plan itself is pro-scum.

here's a link to her iso in the game i read:

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=86458&user_select[]=34184

[Chromium]

normie 2200

which account was hers?

[Chromium]

ok that mini normal game is much more similar to this game then, im guessing she was VT in that one, and bc she was a PR in the other one she was playing different, because in chess mafia she was looking to shoot someone.

this makes sense.

[Chromium]

i think i expect scum isis to try and do things more

i would say trying to counter a mech plan and push it is doing ........ more things lol

on reread here, i think that if infinity is town, then isis is scum.

thats my read here.

i dont think they're ever SvS.

if they're TvT im just gonna retire forever

[Chromium]

im gonna use team mafia since i was following along MT's game for the most part so i have a live memory from that game regarding pacing and timing of posts, moving onto that slot.

[Chromium]

mid read conclusion: this is harder to read than ydrasse is, and im expecting MT to be a scumread still, and MT was scum in team mafia.


maybe its because they were pushed to post more in the TM environment and its a bad game lol