Mini Theme 2290: Open ChatGPT - Game Over

[Doctor Drew]

I have so many jokey RVS posts I can make, this is sensory overload.

VOTE: Defective Furtive right? Everyone check out their wiki lol

[Doctor Drew]

Morning Tweet and Titus, the authors of 2/3 of my sig.

Menal, I promise this game I will recruit you.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh God damnit, forgot their were two hydras here.....can someone day vig one of them please?

[Doctor Drew]

Drew - hydra hater: boo!

~Nancy

Nancy, I am obligated to tunnel your other half until further notice.....so be warned.

[Doctor Drew]

An error occurred. If this issue persists please contact us through our help center at help.openai.com.

*smacks Porkens*

Did that help?

[Doctor Drew]

I intend to sheep the pig until further notice.

[Doctor Drew]

@BloodB0t, the way that chess game shows pieces in the wrong places is like some demonic incestuous offspring of chess, checkers and time travel. If the intent is to gain advantage by making everyone else's heads ache then job done!

@Drew not sure I'd go as far as policy limming a hydra, but I do like the idea of putting hydras under pressure early as I always find them hard to read.

VOTE: Defective Agency

Protecting hydras, very suss.

FoS on you

[Doctor Drew]

Real classy guys, starting while I'm sleeping.

I have so many jokey RVS posts I can make, this is sensory overload.

VOTE: Defective Furtive right? Everyone check out their wiki lol

Not this again lol. VOTE: Drew

Hey, I wanted to move away from the wiki thing.....you all brought me back into it.

Now it is a meta joke lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Audibly went "Holy shit"

Just vote me out.

Took me me way too long.

[Doctor Drew]

Strange you don't mention the other quote in my sig.

Hmmmm

[Doctor Drew]

Aww man, thought hectic was in this game for a sec

[Doctor Drew]

Ah damn, just emailed you to discuss strategy as well.

[Doctor Drew]

Janus is suspicious of how chill you are, he says that's a scumtell for you.

- Nyx

I don't see anything to be particularly intense about so far, although I will say that I'm confident in my first scumread (imaginality)

I mean Mr Glance was fairly chill the only game I played with them, as town.

Just keep your gun holstered this time, k?

[Doctor Drew]

I scumread Nyx.
-Morta

I townread her. Now, please accept this OMGUS vote as a token of my heartfelt appreciation.

VOTE: Dei Ex Machina

- Nyx

What in the actual fuck are you guys up to?

~The REAL Drew

Oh now you see the issue with hydras lol.

You are becoming more Drew as we speak.

Getting a few bad vibes from the three headed monster.

[Doctor Drew]

I scumread Nyx.
-Morta

I townread her. Now, please accept this OMGUS vote as a token of my heartfelt appreciation.

VOTE: Dei Ex Machina

- Nyx

What in the actual fuck are you guys up to?

~The REAL Drew

Oh now you see the issue with hydras lol.

You are becoming more Drew as we speak.

Getting a few bad vibes from the three headed monster.

Hydras are fine but I don’t care much for hydra shenanigans. In LOST, Off the Hook kept doing this weird thing where both heads would come into the thread multiple times to say they were being bullied by the other head. Mr. Glance thinks it could just be harmless joking but I’m more suss.

~Ms Drew

I do think they are just having fun, but the tide is turning a bit more serious as we speak.

And them asking for Mr Glance to explain their read on Imaginalty pinged me for some reason.

[Doctor Drew]

Also, Menal if you don't get in here soon I swear you won't be my number one recruit.

[Doctor Drew]

What's the reasoning for that?

- Nyx

Too serious too early on, and copying Porkens' gimmick (as have other users tbf but I townread bianco and BloodBot was fairly readable last game with them)

Mr. Glance

On the flip side here, you already have someone you could call a town read?

[Doctor Drew]

What's the reasoning for that?

- Nyx

Too serious too early on

, and

copying Porkens' gimmick

(as have other users tbf but I townread bianco and BloodBot was fairly readable last game with them)

Mr. Glance

I don't find early-game seriousness or silliness to be AI. It has more to do with playstyle in my experience. I suppose it's fair enough if you do though.
Even then, I don't think you can apply that to imaginality's posting. Their only serious comment so far has been the one about putting hydras under pressure.

You may have a point here.

- Nyx

Me pressuring hydras is a long running joke of mine.

[Doctor Drew]

Is imaginality aware of that joke?

- Nyx

Are they a hydra?

[Doctor Drew]

Never heard of Doctor Drew or the running joke.

So now I wanna hear from Drew why did they need to bring 97 up.

PE: dw. Thou, the post preview is still there for me...

Thought you were talking about me, I always mess with the hydras.

[Doctor Drew]

Nyx, your color scheme posting style is confusing, just throwing that out there.

Would be better if you were explicitly saying who you were talking about.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't find early-game seriousness or silliness to be AI. It has more to do with playstyle in my experience. I suppose it's fair enough if you do though.

Even then, I don't think you can apply that to imaginality's posting.

Their only serious comment so far has been the one about putting hydras under pressure.

You may have a point here.

- Nyx

Me pressuring hydras is a long running joke of mine.

So you saw the part about hydrae, but somehow entirely relinquished to read the sentence immediately before that clearly indicated who was being talked about?

Yes.

I just saw putting hydras under pressure and thought it was about me, and thought they thought I was serious about that.

Any further questions?

[Doctor Drew]

Nyx, your color scheme posting style is confusing, just throwing that out there.

Would be better if you were explicitly saying who you were talking about.

Alright then, but if that's the case don't pretend it's Nyx who wasn't clear, she did explicitly say who she was talking about

What are you doing here?

Their color scheme is confusing and I don't get it, clearly they mentioned Imaginalty and I missed it.

Those are two different issues.

Don't twist what is going on, I saw 'messing with hydras' and and instantly took it as talking about me, the guy who always messes with hydras.

Don't make it like I am trying to discredit Nyx

Pre Edit: No I get it now, just feel the color scheme is off putting, personal opinion. But, hydras are gonna hydra

[Doctor Drew]

Don't make it like I am trying to discredit Nyx

This seems overly sensitive to how people are perceiving Doctor Drew. Like, not focused on the "misrepresenting me is scummy" angle but the "you might make people suspicious of me" angle?

Well that's quite the leap there, isn't it already known that misrepresentation is inherently scummy? I don't even understand your angle here, help me out a bit.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Imaginalty

Here is my face turn where I actually sheep the hydras lol.

[Doctor Drew]

My point is it was a bit of a leap on your part to assume biancospino was trying to make you look like you were trying to 'discredit' Nyx given your back and forth with Nyx was about colour choices rather than anything substantive. And that if you really believed biancospino was trying to do that you would be focused on biancospino's scumminess rather than on how they're making you look. Whereas you just said it but didn't follow up further on it.

As I was typing up my response it popped into my head about them discrediting me, I do kinda realize that it was probably more them poking and prodding since it all came to be from me misreading Nyxs post. I got a bit angry about it initially, but let it go when I thought about it since I didn't think it was coming from a scum mindset.

But, one thing I don't understand is why just as you get heat on yourself you are trying to deflect and just trying to find someone to take the heat off of you.

[Doctor Drew]

I believe Porkens said in the signup thread they would be using ChatGPT, so the fact they are using it is NAI. I will say I find it a bit annoying, but I don't believe I ever played with them so it is not like I can read them one way or another.

I have to look back on the one game I played with Morning, because I do get a smidge of protecting Porkens here though, even though I do agree with what she is saying(ya I know, on the surface seems hypocritical). I guess more of a tone read. Like, she kinda posted more than she needed to just to say 'chatgpt is NAI'

But, I also will give a benefit of the doubt to those in my sig.

I do really like Mr. G for town now.

And Nyx, all is good with the color thing. I was the dumbass who lacked reading comprehension lol, I understand what you were doing now.

[Doctor Drew]

I believe Porkens said in the signup thread they would be using ChatGPT, so the fact they are using it is NAI. I will say I find it a bit annoying, but I don't believe I ever played with them so it is not like I can read them one way or another.

I have to look back on the one game I played with Morning, because I do get a smidge of protecting Porkens here though, even though I do agree with what she is saying(ya I know, on the surface seems hypocritical). I guess more of a tone read. Like, she kinda posted more than she needed to just to say 'chatgpt is NAI'

But, I also will give a benefit of the doubt to those in my sig.

I do really like Mr. G for town now.

And Nyx, all is good with the color thing. I was the dumbass who lacked reading comprehension lol, I understand what you were doing now.

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Oh yes, that game was frustrating lol. Do love being cult though.

[Doctor Drew]

Though skimming that game does make me miss your actual posting style.

[Doctor Drew]

Damn I hate when pigs try to rap.

[Doctor Drew]

It's all good bianco, saying I was angry might even be too strong of a word. More of just an eye roll moment lol.

I also do agree I don't understand Dei being in the scum pool for now, or Porkens for that matter.

[Doctor Drew]

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As an aside, this was a fun setup and would love to play this again (and hectic was in the game, forgot that, is he still active?)

But, Morning seemed a bit more loosey goosey in that game, whereas here she seems more.... careful of her words I guess you would say.

As the pig said in their sheep of me(lulz), lots of fluff with not much substance.

The game was 3 years ago and styles can change, but an interesting compare and contrast, and for me as well if you want.

Pre Edit: I do agree with KT here re: Porkens use of ChatGPT

[Doctor Drew]

And yes Dr Glance, I put my meta out there haha, no wiki involved though.

[Doctor Drew]

Yeah, or make it say an opinion with one prompt and say they used another prompt. Or doctor the output.

Not sure I agree with this though, really seems a bit tinfoily.

[Doctor Drew]

Lmao perfect Drew, I was just going to ask you whether you agreed. But then why did you say you agreed with Kittty's point re: Porkens and ChatGPT?

-Morta

I agree with it being anti town and hard to read, why purposely obfuscate things? I wouldn't agree it is necessarily scummy or Porkens purposely trying to manipulate it though, hence my tinfoil comment.

And now that Porkens has dropped that gimmick leads me to believe it was just that, just for the lulz until it annoyed people and/or affected the actual game.

[Doctor Drew]

Spoiler: 1

@BloodB0t, the way that chess game shows pieces in the wrong places is like some demonic incestuous offspring of chess, checkers and time travel. If the intent is to gain advantage by making everyone else's heads ache then job done!

@

Drew not sure I'd go as far as policy limming a hydra

, but I do like the idea of putting hydras under pressure early as I always find them hard to read.

VOTE: Defective Agency

Positioning himself as reasonable

Spoiler: 2

My vote on the hydra was rvs in that I didn't have any reason to vote them based on play (it was page 1!) but motivated in that I dislike playing with hydras. I just find them hard to read (also because I generally don't know the meta of the players in them) plus some of them post too much.

So I figure seeing how they react to a wagon on them could help with reading them plus given the choice between catching a scum solo player and a scum hydra I'd rather the latter.

Never heard of Doctor Drew or the running joke.

I don't see posting chatGPT answers as copying Porkens' gimmick in this particular game (if Porkens does that in other games then it would be if someone does it there).

I am also staggered Defective Agency thought I was being serious with that chatGPT post or in general (until now).

I have a hard time believing they genuinely believed that. My vote stays.

Incredibly safe position to take as scum with the omgus. We're already opposing him, so he just accepts and cements that.

Spoiler: 3

The subplot where on one side, ChatGPT/Porkens says its suspicious for players to cast doubt on ChatGPT -- and on the other, bloodb0t finds Porkens suspicious for practically assimilatign with the AI, seems notable. I don't like bloodbot's repeated insistence against ChatGPT which feels ultimatley like a distraction to me. Like it mostly goes without saying that ChatGPT isn't exactly sherlock holms yet bloodb0t seems to feel the need to discredit it anyway. Poor learning model

On that front, some musings:

Do you think 96 is a direct neutral chatGPT output or is it
Porkens' own content in chatGPT style (perhaps rephrased by chatGPT), or chatGPT told to argue a specific view?

If it's the latter:

Do you think continuing to mix chatGPT and their own content (if Porkens were to continue to do so) is scummy, towny or NAI?

Bonus thought: compare and contrast playing using chatGPT as support (either for private discussion or for content generation) with playing in a hydra


Not really directed at anyone, just musing.

You could have these thoughts in an MD thread or pre-game. Much easier content to put out than your thoughts on other players.

Spoiler: 4

How many scums are we thinking because if it's 3 I've already found them all
Maybe not but I've got it down to [Dei Ex Machina, imaginality, narrow parking, Menalque, Porkens]

Should be 3 and one 3p, at least per the queue post.
Also, I somewhat disagree with that list. Are Dei there chiefly just because of their KT vote?

PE: god, that rap was awful

This was already clarified earlier in the thread (119). And Defective Agency has been following the thread, so the "how many scums are we thinking" in the post bianco quoted here seems like a deliberate attempt on DA's part to appear uninformed.

This is an attempt to get us for 'fake townslipping' which is a really superficial and reachy thing to push us for. I hadn't checked the setup or seen anywhere that it was 9/3/1.

So yeah, bit of a scumcase for you Dei Ex Machina.

My vote stays

-Mr. Glance

Not in the mood to wagon imaginality day 1 as that leads to people doing stupid shit

How so?

[Doctor Drew]

Some players are accusing me of using ChatGPT to make my posts in the mafia game and saying it's detrimental to the town, but I disagree. I've got my eye on Titus, who has been wagon hopping without any clear reasoning, and my gut feeling is that something isn't right. I don't hate the wagon on bloodb0t, but let's focus on catching the scum. Those still giving me grief about using ChatGPT should focus on their own gameplay.

I don't like this post by Porkens.

1) It's OMGUS
2) He likes the "wagon", which is too short to be a wagon.

3) Anyone familiar with me knows I vote hop until I have a theory.

Porkens sees suspicion on him is throwing things to see what sticks.

wrt Porkens, I was lulzing and I'm not reading much into him doing it or 'reactively' dropping it. Though he does seem light on content. Not sure if this take from KT is AI.

I wasn't saying I agree with his take on MT, I just meant that I didn't know what he meant by "puffed up" and now I do.

On Menalque, I thought asking "Show me where bianco isn't being natural and genuine in 1086" would make more sense. And for some reason specifically asking for 3 posts seemed weird to me. My read on Menalque is mostly based on vibes and that question for me was the tipping point for me to want to articulate it, but I'm not always good at articulating good reasons for my reads even though they can be right while nobody else sees it.

Ok this feels town

Haven't seen much from Titus and it seems kinda weird for her to claim vote-hopper but leave her vote on me after saying I made a townie post.

I don't really remember her being a vote hopper, but it has been awhile since I have played with her. But unless I am misremembering, this posting style does seem familiar to this.

And maybe she has a theory on you Blood?

[Doctor Drew]

Just to say that Titus is sus.

-Mr. G

I promised her many moons ago that I would sheep her and have her back until proven wrong, so gonna need a real solid case on her.

[Doctor Drew]

Spoiler: 1

@BloodB0t, the way that chess game shows pieces in the wrong places is like some demonic incestuous offspring of chess, checkers and time travel. If the intent is to gain advantage by making everyone else's heads ache then job done!

@

Drew not sure I'd go as far as policy limming a hydra

, but I do like the idea of putting hydras under pressure early as I always find them hard to read.

VOTE: Defective Agency

Positioning himself as reasonable

Spoiler: 2

My vote on the hydra was rvs in that I didn't have any reason to vote them based on play (it was page 1!) but motivated in that I dislike playing with hydras. I just find them hard to read (also because I generally don't know the meta of the players in them) plus some of them post too much.

So I figure seeing how they react to a wagon on them could help with reading them plus given the choice between catching a scum solo player and a scum hydra I'd rather the latter.

Never heard of Doctor Drew or the running joke.

I don't see posting chatGPT answers as copying Porkens' gimmick in this particular game (if Porkens does that in other games then it would be if someone does it there).

I am also staggered Defective Agency thought I was being serious with that chatGPT post or in general (until now).

I have a hard time believing they genuinely believed that. My vote stays.

Incredibly safe position to take as scum with the omgus. We're already opposing him, so he just accepts and cements that.

Spoiler: 3

The subplot where on one side, ChatGPT/Porkens says its suspicious for players to cast doubt on ChatGPT -- and on the other, bloodb0t finds Porkens suspicious for practically assimilatign with the AI, seems notable. I don't like bloodbot's repeated insistence against ChatGPT which feels ultimatley like a distraction to me. Like it mostly goes without saying that ChatGPT isn't exactly sherlock holms yet bloodb0t seems to feel the need to discredit it anyway. Poor learning model

On that front, some musings:

Do you think 96 is a direct neutral chatGPT output or is it
Porkens' own content in chatGPT style (perhaps rephrased by chatGPT), or chatGPT told to argue a specific view?

If it's the latter:

Do you think continuing to mix chatGPT and their own content (if Porkens were to continue to do so) is scummy, towny or NAI?

Bonus thought: compare and contrast playing using chatGPT as support (either for private discussion or for content generation) with playing in a hydra


Not really directed at anyone, just musing.

You could have these thoughts in an MD thread or pre-game. Much easier content to put out than your thoughts on other players.

Spoiler: 4

How many scums are we thinking because if it's 3 I've already found them all
Maybe not but I've got it down to [Dei Ex Machina, imaginality, narrow parking, Menalque, Porkens]

Should be 3 and one 3p, at least per the queue post.
Also, I somewhat disagree with that list. Are Dei there chiefly just because of their KT vote?

PE: god, that rap was awful

This was already clarified earlier in the thread (119). And Defective Agency has been following the thread, so the "how many scums are we thinking" in the post bianco quoted here seems like a deliberate attempt on DA's part to appear uninformed.

This is an attempt to get us for 'fake townslipping' which is a really superficial and reachy thing to push us for. I hadn't checked the setup or seen anywhere that it was 9/3/1.

So yeah, bit of a scumcase for you Dei Ex Machina.

My vote stays

-Mr. Glance

Not in the mood to wagon imaginality day 1 as that leads to people doing stupid shit

How so?

See last large theme. Too exhausted to explain.

So you can't be bothered to look up someone's meta that was conveniently linked to, but I have to find meta you allude to on my own?

Might have to put this sheep out to pasture.

[Doctor Drew]

You vaguely say the Imaginalty wagon will lead to people doing stupid shit.

You don't say it because you believe they are town, but also don't offer up even a tiny bit of explanation to hate the wagon besides 'hey go look over there or something'.

And then when I have an an issue with this double standard, you redirect the heat to me?

[Doctor Drew]

You also did a 180 which is frankly odd and telling.

Maybe Drew + Porkens.

*eyeroll emoji*

Who, in their right mind, would believe that someone(me) would blindly follow someone(you) in all seriousness and not a joke. A joke I made in a previous game a few years back as well, about sheeping you(I don't expect you to remember every game we played in, but I thought you would at least understand the joke, or that at the very least I was being a bit cheeky).

And even with that, I said someone better make a damn good case on you, but you went ahead and exposed yourself now, and made the case for yourself.

VOTE: Titus

And who is picking on Imaginalty? And this is coming from someone who gets misread all the time, every game is different, they got unfairly attacked I assume from the large game you mentioned, how does that pertain to this game? You even said it was fact but not meta, so does that mean you slipped and actually know they are town here?

[Doctor Drew]

I mean, I do love the pfp

[Doctor Drew]

Porkens is clear town for me and has been used as the thread's punching bag today far too much for him to be scum.

I get major bad vibes from Titus and see her as an imaginality partner because of the defence that was based on imaginality being limbait generally, and therefore an easy way to avoid talking about imaginality's play this game. Pre-flips yadda yadda but that's what I think.

-Mr. Glance

I am gonna get a bed rep agreeing with hydras so much lol.

I wouldn't say Porkens is clear town, but I don't get all the heat they are getting.

Also, that was a great point about Titus I wasn't thinking. More thought that she is just protecting Imaginalty since she knows they are town and elim bait.

But, wouldn't that be a really ballsy move to so blatantly protect your scum buddy like that?

[Doctor Drew]

Porkens is clear town for me and has been used as the thread's punching bag today far too much for him to be scum.

I get major bad vibes from Titus and see her as an imaginality partner because of the defence that was based on imaginality being limbait generally, and therefore an easy way to avoid talking about imaginality's play this game. Pre-flips yadda yadda but that's what I think.

-Mr. Glance

I am gonna get a bed rep agreeing with hydras so much lol.

I wouldn't say Porkens is clear town, but I don't get all the heat they are getting.

Also, that was a great point about Titus I wasn't thinking. More thought that she is just protecting Imaginalty since she knows they are town and elim bait.

But, wouldn't that be a really ballsy move to so blatantly protect your scum buddy like that?

Ok this has got to be satire at this point

Yes you are playing a bad scum game, I agree.

But you are high, so we will give you a pass for this game lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Also, explain for the class my 180. You are smarter than this.

Shit, explain anything this game.

What you are doing, your reads, how your day was.

[Doctor Drew]

@mod

I switched my vote to Titus

[Doctor Drew]

UNVOTE:

I have been waiting for both of us to be online at the same time.

Just to say hi.

[Doctor Drew]

UNVOTE:

I have been waiting for both of us to be online at the same time.

Just to say hi.

r u a hydra?

nvm ur not. but hello. what do u need? u don't say hi 435 posts in

Well jeez, fuck me for trying to be polite.

Also, I should take you out to pasture with Titus for thinking I am a hydra.

I just haven't interacted with you yet, maybe understand why you and bloodshot having being going back and forth so much. Why you keep going back to Porkens(and as I have said, don't get the heat on Porky).

So again, hi.

Pre Edit: Protection of Imaginalty with the only defense being they are mis-elim bait, and offering no more explanation. But mainly mad that I I didn't want to sheep her anymore?? And used that as a way to make me look bad, even though I have made that joke before in games with her, and even alluded to it when I made said post. And even if she thought it was serious and missed the reference(I get it, has been a bit since we played together), she said she didn't want to be sheeped yet........then claimed I made some 180 spin on my read of her when I stopped sheeping here.

I don't care how high she is, even if a random player you never heard of said they would sheep you.....do you take them seriously? If you do take them seriously wouldn't you pressure them right away for that, since it would be a bit odd? If you get the jokiness of the sheep, why would you call them out as she done when said person then makes a case for them.

Just doesn't make sense how Titus has acted, and personally she knows how I can be and thinks that other people who haven't played with me would jump on me if she just lit the spark a bit.

[Doctor Drew]

Pre Edit: Protection of Imaginalty with the only defense being they are mis-elim bait, and offering no more explanation. But mainly mad that I I didn't want to sheep her anymore?? And used that as a way to make me look bad, even though I have made that joke before in games with her, and even alluded to it when I made said post. And even if she thought it was serious and missed the reference(I get it, has been a bit since we played together), she said she didn't want to be sheeped yet........then claimed I made some 180 spin on my read of her when I stopped sheeping here.

I don't care how high she is, even if a random player you never heard of said they would sheep you.....do you take them seriously? If you do take them seriously wouldn't you pressure them right away for that, since it would be a bit odd? If you get the jokiness of the sheep, why would you call them out as she done when said person then makes a case for them.

Just doesn't make sense how Titus has acted, and personally she knows how I can be and thinks that other people who haven't played with me would jump on me if she just lit the spark a bit.

idk see the point of this ? what narrative r u tryning to push im confused here. give me a tldr.

I have said before I would sheep Titus, I allude to that this game, I then back off that statement for reasons, she says I pulled a 180.

But the main point I was making is that she knows how I play, and she knows I say I would sheep her mainly as a joke, so it doesn't make sense for her to be mad when I stop sheeping her and vote her. And also doesn't make sense if she doesn't remember that, because why take me sheeping you as serious if you don't remember the reference? And why not apply pressure to me when I make to original post about sheeping you?

The tldr of the tldr is, she is being incredibly disingenuous.

[Doctor Drew]

And even the shade she just threw at me.

She just throws it out there in the ether, hoping it will stick and someone will start questioning me.

No explanation of what she is doing, no accountability for her actions when called out, no real content provided, and no real town motivation from her.

Pre Edit: Why does Grandpo seem like the 'I will bully you until you accept my reads' type?

[Doctor Drew]

I don't especially like how GrandpaMo was "at the end of today I'm gonna tell you stuff that town NEED to know" and then more recently "oh it's nothing important not a big deal" but I don't think there's any value in pressing on it now.


Re. my Titus read I feel like she might be soft defending me maybe partly to get me on side and also to set up a "told you so, listen to me instead of going for easy wagons" to have more sway on future days when I flip town if I get limmed.

She feels different this game to the last I was in with her (where she was town) but that could be due to various factors (our roles that game, the fact she was sparring with Mathblade in particular, out of game stuff) so I don't place enough weight on the difference to make a meta case. It just feels less reassuring than it would if she felt the same tonewise.

This comes off a bit fencesitty.

I have a question, and I definitely don't mean it in an insulting way because I get it and have been there, but are you usually elim bait? And what happened in the game that Titus brought up?

Also was she defending you in that game?

[Doctor Drew]

I don't especially like how GrandpaMo was "at the end of today I'm gonna tell you stuff that town NEED to know" and then more recently "oh it's nothing important not a big deal" but I don't think there's any value in pressing on it now.


Re. my Titus read I feel like she might be soft defending me maybe partly to get me on side and also to set up a "told you so, listen to me instead of going for easy wagons" to have more sway on future days when I flip town if I get limmed.

She feels different this game to the last I was in with her (where she was town) but that could be due to various factors (our roles that game, the fact she was sparring with Mathblade in particular, out of game stuff) so I don't place enough weight on the difference to make a meta case. It just feels less reassuring than it would if she felt the same tonewise.

This comes off a bit fencesitty.

I have a question, and I definitely don't mean it in an insulting way because I get it and have been there, but are you usually elim bait? And what happened in the game that Titus brought up?

Also was she defending you in that game?

Oh, no offence taken!

I don't really play much so conditions vary depending on outside factors but overall I definitely would say I play pretty weakly on D1 as either alignment and tend to offer more as the game goes on and there's more to analyse. Also my playstyle is less about being in your face and trying to drive wagons overconfidently so again better suited to making cases and pointing stuff out later on.

I would say my scum game is better than my town game. Better to judge for yourself if you want to rather than take my word for it.

I think others' perception of me also suffers slightly from timezones sometimes, as often no one seems to be around when I'm free so there's less of the back and forth more natural style of posting and more of me posting longer posts less frequently.

Morning Tweet's answered the question about the other game already.

Oh Lovers, definitely....ahem, love that setup.

Oh and i get it about D1, I tend to get better as the game progresses as well. And strangely enhough, everything you just said could apply to me as well haha.

But, what do you actually think about Titus in this game?

[Doctor Drew]

Hey imag!
What are your reads at rn?
~Janus

Town leans:
Doctor Drew, Dei Ex Machina, Bloodb0t
Menalque
Porkens

Neutral/mixed reads:
biancospino, Morning Tweet

Need more info:
GrandpaMo
Everyone really (no one has done anything super obvscum or obvtown yet)

Scum leans:
narrow parking
KittyTacky
Titus
Defective Agency

Is this still accurate? Can you see how your scumread on us looks reactive?

Tbh, unless he is jedi mind tricking me, he seems a bit similar to how I play sometimes as town.

Like when someone puts a case on you for bullshit reasons you tend to OMGUS a bit(not saying your reasons are bullshit per se, but from their perspective).

[Doctor Drew]

This doesn't seem like scum Drew either ngl.

so far...

Looking for something to mis-elim me with are we?

[Doctor Drew]

I mean, Titus.

[Doctor Drew]

I mean, Titus.

...what does this refer to?

You just said you wanted a good counter wagon...

[Doctor Drew]

I am all ears, Mr Oink.
-Morta

God I am working so hard and diligently for you to get this done and life keeps getting in the way.

This almost reads like satire.

[Doctor Drew]

Just to say that Titus is sus.

-Mr. G

I promised her many moons ago that I would sheep her and have her back until proven wrong, so gonna need a real solid case on her.

I'm not ready for sheeps yet. I'll let you know when I am.

Just to be clear, are you saying that here is where you are indicating to Drew that you took them seriously on the sheep thing (and so they should've said they were joking there already)?
To be completely honest, if Drew thought you would get the joke, then your response can be just interpreted as a continuation of it. I'm not gonna practice meta archaeology myself to fact check, so if Drew can exhume the game where they did that promise that would be great

Tbh, I think I said something along those lines in a game a few years back. I can try to find the specific game, and if memory serves me correctly if was basically an rvs comment I made. So in that regards I could understand Titus not getting the reference.

But, I don't understand her not getting the jokey, or at least the wink wink not serious nature of the post. But playing devil's advocate and let's say I was too vague or too nuanced and Titus took it as a 100% serious comment, then why in the holy hell would scumDrew, making that super serious totally not joking around comment, the randomly completey flip flop a few posts later?

That would be idiotic of scumDrew to do that, and I find it very hard to believe that you think I would so blatantly contradict themselves like that.

Not to mention how dumb of a thing to seriously say you would sheep anyone that early in the game.

[Doctor Drew]

'Ok seems like the noise died down, but I am only reading going forward.

Someone be a sport and tell me who I should focus on?

And before you say Titus, gonna lock town her until further notice.

Can't quote from the old game, but this was the reference. Post 530 from To Boon or Not To Boon, link to game thread here:

viewtopic.php?p=11469535#p11469535

And I was a bit more serious about it in that game, I was seeing that she was a really good player and I was a bit lost in that game, hence that comment.

So again, I can understand not getting the reference, but is still very sus for reasons I just mentioned.

It was a joke post, I like to shit post, especially early in a game. It holds no bearing to my reads after that. I will be more upfront about joking around going forward, if like you say you sometimes don't get it.

[Doctor Drew]

So Titus, any clear joke post has to take as truthful?

So like when I say hydras are always sus I can't say they are town later in the game? Everyone has to stick to their rvs vote then, because if you say they are town later you are clearly flip flopping.

This is getting ridiculous that you are still pushing this as me being scum.

[Doctor Drew]

And I pointed out why you were sus, yes it was just after I made the sheep joke, but I can't predict that would start acting scummy that quickly lol.

If I waited until Day 4 would that have been better?

[Doctor Drew]

'Ok seems like the noise died down, but I am only reading going forward.

Someone be a sport and tell me who I should focus on?

And before you say Titus, gonna lock town her until further notice.

Sorry, thought I was more clear but see that my formatting wasn't perfect, this is the quote from the game I linked to, I couldn't quote directly from the old game so had to copy and paste.

And my last post has the game thread.

[Doctor Drew]

Post 540 has the link I mean, links directly to said post.

[Doctor Drew]

Are that at E-1?

I will offer my hammering services.

[Doctor Drew]

I can give you time to write one if that's what you're referring to, how long do you need?

- Nyx

@Titus, it would be nice if you could answer this.
I'll try to give time but I'd like to drop the hammer before I go to bed. I don't want to drag the day out when I've made my decision.

- Nyx

I will be up and around for a bit, I will hammer if you want to wait for Titus, but also want sleepy time.

[Doctor Drew]

*Puts on shiny baggy pants to do the hammer dance*

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Narrow Parking

[Doctor Drew]

Nyx, current read on Titus, seeing that you didn't go for that wagon?

I forgot about Titus in the midst of the whole fake guilty fiasco.
She was null-maybe-scum yesterday, but on a re-read, she'd probably be

this colour

if I did another readslist. I don't find the case on her compelling as most of it is based on preflip associatives and games I didn't play in. I get the scummy vibes, but I feel like there'd also be more opposition to executing her if she were mafia. Not a single person has townread her all game. It's like the thread just decided "Titus sus amogus" and the scum have no reason not to go along with it.

- Nyx

Maybe I am misremembering, I thought I was the only person really wanting to elim Titus. I don't remember a big groundswell of support for it.

[Doctor Drew]

But no way scum unless that was literally just gamethrowing.

Opinions on Titus?

[Doctor Drew]

Also, I am really hoping for that Titus Tunnel

[Doctor Drew]

You might want to keep sitting on that pun lol.

I am coming around a bit on Pork, the vibe from their first does seem like one of those post scum makes when one of their mates are killed.

But Bianco, do you think Morning would actively protect their buddy like that? Especially when there was heat on them?

But, on the flip side, Pork did sheep me on me saying Morning made a big post of no real substance, to me that would be more damming of Pork, like they really thought they need to do a bit of distancing, and ironically did it in a lazy way.

[Doctor Drew]

You might want to keep sitting on that pun lol.

I am coming around a bit on Pork, the vibe from their first does seem like one of those post scum makes when one of their mates are killed.

But Bianco, do you think Morning would actively protect their buddy like that? Especially when there was heat on them?

But, on the flip side, Pork did sheep me on me saying Morning made a big post of no real substance, to me that would be more damming of Pork, like they really thought they need to do a bit of distancing, and ironically did it in a lazy way.

Don't come around on me, that's the wrong play. pull up pull up. crappy reason to come around too.

vote titus

right guys?

Pigs like crap though, right?

And if pull up, I empty the clip. Then cook up some bacon.

[Doctor Drew]

Hilarious! HAHA yes very jocular. now stop this foolishness and pick on someone else. im not scum this game.

Lol, I was just postulating on Bianco's post.

Don't get me wrong, I love me some pork.

[Doctor Drew]

I'm actually kinda torn on titus. would like her to chime in actually

Especially as she seemed so 'fired up' at the end of D1, but as someone already said.....maybe just for show.

[Doctor Drew]

Like I am trying to not be a tunnelly asshole Titus but my patience is running thin

[Doctor Drew]

I'll be here later today

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Titus

No matter what timezone, the day is ending.

Maybe E-1 will get some content.

[Doctor Drew]

At first I was afraid NM would hammer but then I realized I'm an idiot.

I legit want to see a game where the mod is also a player, gotta be a way to make it happen.

I'm really not sure Titus is scum. Just not seeing it.

Pardon me if you have already said why before, but......why?

I have thoughts but need to hear from Titus first

*checks watch*

[Doctor Drew]

Ehh am also kinda sitting on my own case of Titus-hesitation, but seeing her posting would be helpful.

It is a bit worrying to me that the case for her being scum isn't really there. The best I can see is Drew suspects her for missing a joke and furtive quoted two posts which sound TMI ish. This is just... not a lot. One could also quibble e.g. with exactly how TMIish the posts furtive referenced are.

Spoiler: Reference to the reference

I don't especially like how GrandpaMo was "at the end of today I'm gonna tell you stuff that town NEED to know" and then more recently "oh it's nothing important not a big deal" but I don't think there's any value in pressing on it now.


Re. my Titus read I feel like she might be soft defending me maybe partly to get me on side and also to set up a "told you so, listen to me instead of going for easy wagons" to have more sway on future days when I flip town if I get limmed.

She feels different this game to the last I was in with her (where she was town) but that could be due to various factors (our roles that game, the fact she was sparring with Mathblade in particular, out of game stuff) so I don't place enough weight on the difference to make a meta case. It just feels less reassuring than it would if she felt the same tonewise.

Fairish. I am at idgaf. Let's go after scummy people.

narrow parking exists

-Mr. Glance

Convince me he's possible partnered with Drew. I don't see it based on recent posting unless the "not yet" post is a post meant for a PT which is stretch even if they are partners.

VOTE: Narrow Parking

Really, you hammered while I was doing my readwall? Are you trying to get me to tunnel you?

These posts give me TMI vibes

-Morta

Her missing the joke is only a piece of the pie, her reactions after some pressure in regards to posting meta reads and her weird defense of Imaginalty are the main meat and potatoes of it.

She was acting in a way that she thought she could turn the whole 'sheeping her' back on me, and when she couldn't she just went back to being basically silent.

[Doctor Drew]

butt its pretty fucking tight.

I love a tight pork butt.

What are we doing here? Titus isn't posting shit it seems.

Do we hope they are replaced and go from there, lim her slot, or what?

[Doctor Drew]

I do want to wait for Titus ideally, but if she can't devote time to the game then she should be replaced.

I am a bit impatient waiting for her though, says she will be here and post.....then does nothing, and it appears the game has stalled a bit because of that.

But, I guess I should just forget about her for now, I do need to kick the tires on everyone else.

Still at work, will check in a bit later.

[Doctor Drew]

I was going to add that this post caught my attention, too:

Sorry I had personal issues today that led to me not finding enough time to post.

Who do you scumread at the moment? Looking through your iso I didn't see you give any scumreads since Porkens early D1 and me mid D1. Since then it's just been townreads I think?

Menalque and bianco aren't looking good on a quick re-skim. I specifically don't like the GrandpaMo votes. The replace out indicates that it was town and not scum, and thus the votes are likely opportunistic.

I've had a similar thought about the GrandpaMo votes. Think this is a bit town-indicative because it's a sus on unusual slots. What do people think?

-Morta

Flip side of that, could be scumKT trying to get town points in the event of a GMo town flip.

And why is Bianco scummy (besides the GMo thing? This particular question is more directed at KT.

Pre Edit: What a glowing endorsement of this game we are playing lol 'Mysery Soup'

[Doctor Drew]

Nyx and Mortar, potentially dumb question, and this does come from a tinfoily place.

But I thought hydras usually have a notes PT they can use to discuss reads and such instead of in thread? I don't want to start whipping around accusations when speaking on something I am unfamiliar with, but the inter-hydra communication in thread seems oddly forced here.

[Doctor Drew]

*Morta not Mortar lol

[Doctor Drew]

Nyx and Mortar, potentially dumb question, and this does come from a tinfoily place.

But I thought hydras usually have a notes PT they can use to discuss reads and such instead of in thread? I don't want to start whipping around accusations when speaking on something I am unfamiliar with, but the inter-hydra communication in thread seems oddly forced here.

We have a notes PT, but we don't discuss absolutely everything in there before posting to the main thread. That post by Morta was not something she ran by us. I try to minimize the amount of responding to my hydra partners in here, but in that case, it just made more sense to.

- Nyx

Fair enough, like I said I had my tinfoil hat on there a bit lol. But that explanation makes sense.

[Doctor Drew]

Ok Titus should be prodded by now.

When I wake up tomorrow and she hasn't posted or been replaced.

The hammer is coming.

[Doctor Drew]

I disagree with a kittytacky elimination.

Well then who?

[Doctor Drew]

Yes this is a mechanical claim

Sorry, what does that mean?

That I’m a PR and it’s pretty much set that kitty is scum unless there’s a v good alternative explanation for us missing a kill last night

I can full claim if needed but don’t necessarily see the need to unless people doubt my claim

What do you mean 'us missing a kill'?

[Doctor Drew]

Just seemed weird that Menal was talking about 'us missing a kill', then they brought up maybe a SK.

Something doesn't make sense, or at least j am very confused.

[Doctor Drew]

Mel meant "us" as in "the game." He's assuming maf kill + SK every night. Since there was only one kill last night, "we" are missing a kill.

Ahhhhh, I am a dummy.

But, why think SK over a Vig?

[Doctor Drew]

Wait, I need to hear from Kitty.

And more of an explanation from Menal.

[Doctor Drew]

@Drew, probably because a third party is confirmed to be in this game and SK is one of the most common third parties.

- Nyx

Oh, didn't even know that about the 3p lol, continue to be a dummy.

Shit, Menal is gonna assume I am CL then

[Doctor Drew]

@Drew, probably because a third party is confirmed to be in this game and SK is one of the most common third parties.

- Nyx

Oh, didn't even know that about the 3p lol, continue to be a dummy.

Shit, Menal is gonna assume I am CL then

Oh wait, I do remember reading the setup, just checked it again.....just glossed over the fact there is 3p.

[Doctor Drew]

@Drew, probably because a third party is confirmed to be in this game and SK is one of the most common third parties.

- Nyx

Oh, didn't even know that about the 3p lol, continue to be a dummy.

Shit, Menal is gonna assume I am CL then

Oh wait, I do remember reading the setup, just checked it again.....just glossed over the fact there is 3p.

Laying it on kinda thick, aren't you?

What exactly are you implying here Porky?

[Doctor Drew]

Titus was the delayed RB, not MT.

[Doctor Drew]

dr drew pretending he didn't know there is a 3p

Red pretending he didn't catch up on the game.

You clearly read the setup, so why play dumb about catching up on the game that you subbed into?

[Doctor Drew]

I am mechanically certain that KT is town. It's an inconvenient truth.

I will play along, I just need to hear from KT, and Menal needs to explain more.

[Doctor Drew]

dr drew pretending he didn't know there is a 3p

Red pretending he didn't catch up on the game.

You clearly read the setup, so why play dumb about catching up on the game that you subbed into?

I can maybe see red!mafia, still haven't done my re-read, but the logic here isn't very strong. Catching up on the game requires reading the 27 pages before they got here, while reading the setup literally means looking at the four points at the bottom of post 1.

P-edit: Porkens, you need to explain.

- Nyx

I rarely read the the specific setup(meaning, it is 9:3:1 as it is here, stuff like that), I read the theme and any special mechanics of the game before I join in, I generally like crazier closed setups with borderline bastard elements, and a setup chosen by chatGPT seemed to fit that.

Yes I then went back and looked at the post you mentioned and saw the set up here after you mentioned it.

Red when asked if that caught up with the game responded with 'uhhh', if you bothered to start with page one and saw the setup, why would you just stop there?

[Doctor Drew]

I am mechanically certain that KT is town. It's an inconvenient truth.

I will play along, I just need to hear from KT, and Menal needs to explain more.

It would be really clutch if playing along included not needing to have menal explain more.

I don't want Menal to explain more about there role, just explain the SK thing, if talking about it outs their role.....they they should shut the fuck up.

But I do really need to hear from kitty.

Pre Edit: Hmm ok(I swear to Christ if there is a Cult situation that I am not involved in, I will be very upset)

VOTE: Red

[Doctor Drew]

I picked up on the SK talk, which had me confused.

I didn't realize it was an open setup and that 3p was in play, like I said glossed over it.

[Doctor Drew]

My vote's not moving then.
@everyone else, do you still trust what seems, at this point, to be nothing more than a dressed-up gutread?

- Nyx

I do kinda trust Pork, I don't think scum would hammer their buddy when they are about to be replaced. Could be a 3p gambit, but that is a very risky play, so I lean that they are town and have at least some extra knowledge about KT.

Menal I think is jumping to conclusions too quickly. Not that I think Menal is doing something anti town per se, I just trust Pork's 'claim' more as fact, if that makes sense.

[Doctor Drew]

Is it possible that a jester would be in the game?

[Doctor Drew]

Curious what made you ask that question though.

- Nyx

Just some paranoia about Pork. The way he hammered Titus, and his claim today coupled with his last couple weird posts.

[Doctor Drew]

Anyway, I don't trust Porkens about Kitty, but there is more than one evil in this game and I really don't mind this wagon.

VOTE: redFF

E-1.

- Nyx

So it's not buried.

[Doctor Drew]

So if I am reading Pork's role correctly, that basically clears KT?

Are we at mass claim time?

[Doctor Drew]

Porkens is clear town for me and has been used as the thread's punching bag today far too much for him to be scum.

I get major bad vibes from Titus and see her as an imaginality partner because of the defence that was based on imaginality being limbait generally, and therefore an easy way to avoid talking about imaginality's play this game. Pre-flips yadda yadda but that's what I think.

-Mr. Glance

I think you might have been right, furtive.

Praise Furtive up in heaven.

I do know who I want to vote, am curious to hear their claim.

[Doctor Drew]

oh it says in the OP

Like I said they read the setup, so felt like they were lying about not at least somewhat catching up to the game thread.

Their comment about me not knowing about 3p pinged me because it kinda seemed like a slip that they did catch up more than they said they did.

[Doctor Drew]

This is a post.

- Nyx

And this is post 1000 and it's mine!

- Nyx

Dayvig DEM

[Doctor Drew]

I went into the night feeling like there was a decent chance Menalque was scum. Even with Porkens' shenanigans D3.

With Menalque flipping town I think Dei Ex Machina looks more likely as a scumbuddy for Titus than anyone else remaining, primarily because I doubt the final scum would be on the Titus wagon D2 after Morning Tweet got killed N1. It just seems very high risk to bus Titus and be left as the sole scum that early when there's an SK around. Especially with Titus having a very useful power.

Whereas Dei townread Titus and was off the Titus wagon.

So I lean to Dei Ex Machina as the last mafia. And biancospino or Drew for SK.

I definitely don't hate the DEM read you have.

[Doctor Drew]

I went into the night feeling like there was a decent chance Menalque was scum. Even with Porkens' shenanigans D3.

With Menalque flipping town I think Dei Ex Machina looks more likely as a scumbuddy for Titus than anyone else remaining, primarily because I doubt the final scum would be on the Titus wagon D2 after Morning Tweet got killed N1. It just seems very high risk to bus Titus and be left as the sole scum that early when there's an SK around. Especially with Titus having a very useful power.

Whereas Dei townread Titus and was off the Titus wagon.

So I lean to Dei Ex Machina as the last mafia. And biancospino or Drew for SK.

It's not high risk to bus your buddy when they're widely scumread (or at least not townread) and unlikely to endgame. I'd argue it's riskier not to jump on the wagon at some point during the day, just because it ties us to her and puts us in this exact situation.
It's also not like we were hard-TRing her and fighting to keep her alive. We just thought the case on her was kind of weak, which it was, and preferred to vote someone we actually thought was scummy. At least until I had the existential crisis that was 848; after that, I didn't really know what I wanted.

- Nyx

Explain the weak Titus case please.

[Doctor Drew]

Here's the thing, titus focused on it being about her 'missing the joke'. But is was really about her reactions after the fact.

I am not gonna make a case on her again lol, but just go back DEM, read her posts, now try to defend her.

I will patiently just hang out here.

[Doctor Drew]

I was talking with Nyx.
And she thinks that Drew is assigning busywork.
I feel like this is what scum is trying to do.
VOTE: Drew
~Janus

That is quite the progression from saying you 'can't see myself voting for Drew' to now.

Also, you are saying I hard bussed my scum buddy on D2, when the previous Night we lost our other scum buddy, ya sure....makes sense lol.

[Doctor Drew]

What are you talking about? You brought up that it was a weak case, you can't say a case that led to scum being elim'ed is weak without an explanation.

[Doctor Drew]

I wish Kitty would show up so we can really get this Day going.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew... if you don't hate the vote on us and think we're scum, who is SK?
-Morta

Again with the SK talk, where was the Night 2 kill then?

And the reasoning may have been weak in your eyes, but not in mine. I knew there was something there and I wasn't gonna stop pushing the issue. And you really are trying hard to say you weren't defending Titus, everyone was starting to see how she was scummy, yet you kept balking at voting her. Maybe explicitly you weren't defending her, but you certainly weren't excited to vote her.

Morta(Aisa), kinda like how you were the only one to defend me in AbLoaf when it was clear I was a goner(for everyone else here, we were both scum).

At least now you have some assistance in your hydra to be a bit more subtle about it here.

[Doctor Drew]

Vig

[Doctor Drew]

Again I say, why are you assuming SK?

I killed Morning Tweet, I tried vigging Kitty(but maybe was blocked by Titus?), and last night I tried vigging Bianco.

Pre Edit: I know there is a role that if an action happens on them it gets redirected onto someone else, but I don't know the name lol

[Doctor Drew]

Again I say, why are you assuming SK?

I killed Morning Tweet, I tried vigging Kitty(but maybe was blocked by Titus?), and last night I tried vigging Bianco.

Pre Edit: I know there is a role that if an action happens on them it gets redirected onto someone else, but I don't know the name lol

I assumed SK because of the extra kills and the fact that 3p is guaranteed. I guess I could be wrong though.
I think that'd be called Reflexive Redirector. Are you informed of such a role or are you just assuming it?

- Nyx

Assuming it because I tried to vig bianco, but they didn't end up dead.

[Doctor Drew]

Again I say, why are you assuming SK?

I killed Morning Tweet, I tried vigging Kitty(but maybe was blocked by Titus?), and last night I tried vigging Bianco.

Pre Edit: I know there is a role that if an action happens on them it gets redirected onto someone else, but I don't know the name lol

I assumed SK because of the extra kills and the fact that 3p is guaranteed. I guess I could be wrong though.
I think that'd be called Reflexive Redirector. Are you informed of such a role or are you just assuming it?

- Nyx

Assuming it because I tried to vig bianco, but they didn't end up dead.

And they claimed VT. Theoretically, that should mean one of you is lying then?

- Nyx

I am not even prepared to say Bianco is lying, but all I know is I tried vigging them.

Also this is why I have been so doubtful of the SK.

[Doctor Drew]

Doesn't imply "if not red then not bianco". But most importantly I'm neither BP nor a reflexive Redirector, so.

So let's chat, assuming we are both telling the truth.

How when I try to vig you.....Menal and Pork end up dying?

This a question to everyone.

[Doctor Drew]

Mech reasons encouraged as well

[Doctor Drew]

Well, it's now pretty much confirmed to be one of you.
I'm going to chat with my hydra buddies about which one before I draw any conclusions.

- Nyx

Nah, fuck off with this.

You keep running away from the fact that it could be you

Still haven't responded to my post Aisa.

Bianco, I tried vigging you.....full stop.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew... if you don't hate the vote on us and think we're scum, who is SK?
-Morta

Again with the SK talk, where was the Night 2 kill then?

And the reasoning may have been weak in your eyes, but not in mine. I knew there was something there and I wasn't gonna stop pushing the issue. And you really are trying hard to say you weren't defending Titus, everyone was starting to see how she was scummy, yet you kept balking at voting her. Maybe explicitly you weren't defending her, but you certainly weren't excited to vote her.

Morta(Aisa), kinda like how you were the only one to defend me in AbLoaf when it was clear I was a goner(for everyone else here, we were both scum).

At least now you have some assistance in your hydra to be a bit more subtle about it here.

Except you literally didn't respond to this.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't understand your 'save the best for last post' I never really thought you were scum until today and a now pushing you. And I brought up Abloaf because it was a pretty similar thing you pulled as scum there(really not wanting to vote me) as here(really not wanting to vote Titus).

And I pushed Titus pretty damn hard, so I don't get what you mean I only pushed you. You aren't making sense.

So I shot one scum, was a big factor in eliminating another scum, and I feel strongly I am pushing the last scum.

There is only so much scum I can push here lol.

Oh, and I am making a bit of an educated guess in regards to why N2 my shit didn't go through, Titus was a delayed roleblocker and I definitely feel she would have used it on me. And I easily could see Bianco as like bulletproof 3p with a reflexive ability (not sure if it is exactly what it is called, but a shot targeting them gets redirected to someone else).

[Doctor Drew]

Spoiler:

Drew... if you don't hate the vote on us and think we're scum, who is SK?
-Morta

Again with the SK talk, where was the Night 2 kill then?

And the reasoning may have been weak in your eyes, but not in mine. I knew there was something there and I wasn't gonna stop pushing the issue. And you really are trying hard to say you weren't defending Titus, everyone was starting to see how she was scummy, yet you kept balking at voting her. Maybe explicitly you weren't defending her, but you certainly weren't excited to vote her.

Morta(Aisa), kinda like how you were the only one to defend me in AbLoaf when it was clear I was a goner(for everyone else here, we were both scum).

At least now you have some assistance in your hydra to be a bit more subtle about it here.

Well, it's now pretty much confirmed to be one of you.
I'm going to chat with my hydra buddies about which one before I draw any conclusions.

- Nyx

Nah, fuck off with this.

You keep running away from the fact that it could be you

Still haven't responded to my post Aisa.

Bianco, I tried vigging you.....full stop.

It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a man, having waited 2 hours and 48 minutes for a response without having received any, gains the right to accuse his opponent of being the scummiest scum of them all

xoxo

-Morta

Yet you posted 11 times between those two posts of mine, yet still didn't respond to the direct question to you Aisa.

[Doctor Drew]

All of them are signed Nyx or Janus. I don’t expect you to believe that we are signing in good faith if that’s the route you want to go down, but that doesn’t seem to be your argument.
-Morta

Ok fair enough, I just went through and counted the hydras posts. But it still took for me to quite my post directed at you for you to respond, but that's not my point.

The context of said post(you in Abloaf vs you here) was my point.

Also, please respond to my previous post where I have no idea what you are trying to say.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't understand your 'save the best for last post' I never really thought you were scum until today and a now pushing you. And I brought up Abloaf because it was a pretty similar thing you pulled as scum there(really not wanting to vote me) as here(really not wanting to vote Titus).

And I pushed Titus pretty damn hard, so I don't get what you mean I only pushed you. You aren't making sense.

So I shot one scum, was a big factor in eliminating another scum, and I feel strongly I am pushing the last scum.

There is only so much scum I can push here lol.

Oh, and I am making a bit of an educated guess in regards to why N2 my shit didn't go through, Titus was a delayed roleblocker and I definitely feel she would have used it on me. And I easily could see Bianco as like bulletproof 3p with a reflexive ability (not sure if it is exactly what it is called, but a shot targeting them gets redirected to someone else).

For reference, so you don't 'miss' a post

[Doctor Drew]

Yes, that is what I was talking about. Thank you from saving me from having to quote that whole post lol.

But, I shouldn't heavily push who I feel is scum here? Plus I already talked about how I feel Bianco could be 3p because of how the Night went down in regards to my shot not working.

And given the lack of kills at Night(in addition to my vigs and the presumed scum night kills), I am not worried about a potential SK.

So yes, I am trying to find scum and eliminate them, and I highly believe you DEM to be the last scum.

The we can worry about the 3p.

[Doctor Drew]

Who do you think Mena roleblocked?
-Morta

There definitely is a possibility he JK me, would explain my kill not going through.

But outside of that, no idea.

[Doctor Drew]

There’s still quite a lot to cover and I don’t think I can cover it all in this spurt of posting today.

Some highlights;
- I spent some time earlier trying to check Drew’s claim and bianco’s claim. As far as I can tell, there is no super overt contradiction. To Drew’s credit, he softs vig quite far back. This is something that’s worth keeping in mind. ISO him and CTRL+F “vig” and you’ll see.
- However, there are several things about his reaction and the way he’s talking to us that really make me want to override the fact his basic claim makes sense. More tomorrow.
- Survivor redirector? Seems like a strange role. Scum redirector seems more plausible, I don’t completely understand this
- @Imaginality, from my perspective your view of the world is definitely wrong, yes. And that’s what worries me, partly that it’s wrong and partly that the method you used is limited.

-Morta

Tell me you told Titus to use her role on me without telling me you told Titus to use her role on me.

[Doctor Drew]

Again I say, why are you assuming SK?

I killed Morning Tweet, I tried vigging Kitty(but maybe was blocked by Titus?), and last night I tried vigging Bianco.

Pre Edit: I know there is a role that if an action happens on them it gets redirected onto someone else, but I don't know the name lol

I am indeed VT so this is also questionful.

What is questionable?

[Doctor Drew]

It could be that the third party is gated, maybe only has one shot or something. That would make it a bit more credible for Drew to be a vig. But 4 full killing roles does feel like much too much.

-Morta

Which is why I keep saying I don't believe a SK is in this game.

[Doctor Drew]

It could be that the third party is gated, maybe only has one shot or something. That would make it a bit more credible for Drew to be a vig. But 4 full killing roles does feel like much too much.

-Morta

Which is why I keep saying I don't believe a SK is in this game.

Then, what do you think 3p is?
A Survivor?
~Janus

Bulletproof as well, would be my guess....and has that reflexive ability as I mentioned.

[Doctor Drew]

You really love directing the narrative to fit your point don't you Aisa?

[Doctor Drew]

I am reminded of this quote...

(I think this is what the youth call a "flail")

I have clearance from my hydra partners.
VOTE: Doctor Drew

I don't really see a scenario in which Drew is town. I think biancospino is more likely to be the other non-town than Imaginality, though it depends on what Drew flips. biancospino has a lot of e.g. survivor equity but feels almost too chill to be a mafia?

-Morta

So you don't believe the most obvious, that I am actually Vig. Ok, let's play devils advocate here.

Do you think I am 3p? I guess the most obvious explanation is I am actually SK, makes sense to explain the extra NK's. But as Imaginalty mentioned, I was last to claim and easily could have just claimed VT, why would I want to out that I have NK's and fake claim Vig if I was SK? I definitely would have played that way more coy.

Or maybe I am survivor? Previous paragraph applies here as well, why make myself vulnerable when I could coast by.....and btw, there wasn't any heat on me all game, outside of Titus pushing me, and speaking of.....

Or I am scum? And again I will say it, why would I possibly hard push my scum buddy(Titus) when we just lost our other scum buddy(Morning)? And even if I want for that gambit, again.....why put myself in harms way with a fake Vig claim when there has been lots of speculation of a SK.

None of the arguments make sense, logically and objectively.

You pick out parts of my posts to paint me in a bad light, and make me look like the asshole when I point out your scumminess.

And on top of all this, you are projecting your flailing

So if you want to do this, lets do it.

VOTE: DEM

[Doctor Drew]

And in more direct response to your 1095, I will say it again, I sent in my night action to vig Bianco, full stop.

And yet two other people ended up dying. One would assumed be the mafia NK, but given my action how does the other happen?

And this is why I encouraged mech talk, because I wanted a reason on what happened.

Shit, I even messaged the mod to make sure they got my night action.

[Doctor Drew]

And your 'grab bag of accusations'

You brought up that I couldn't wait long for a response and called you out too early.

Yes I got defensive because I knew the hydra posted, but in my haste didn't notice it was you.

But as I said, that wasn't the point. I wanted a response to both of what you quoted.

Not this little dog and pony show you keep displaying.

[Doctor Drew]

And your 'grab bag of accusations'

You brought up that I couldn't wait long for a response and called you out too early.

Yes I got defensive because I knew the hydra posted, but in my haste didn't notice it was you.

But as I said, that wasn't the point. I wanted a response to both of what you quoted.

Not this little dog and pony show you keep displaying.

*didn't notice it wasn't you

[Doctor Drew]

Here's a question, let's see if you will answer it.

When did you, Aisa(or any head of the hydra), look up me softing vig?

[Doctor Drew]

Here's a question, let's see if you will answer it.

When did you, Aisa(or any head of the hydra), look up me softing vig?

This, I can answer, but I'll need some clarification. Do you mean "where in the gamethread do we think you softed vigi?" or "when did we ISO you and find what we believed was a vigi soft?"

- Nyx

Aisa mentioned that I softed vig pretty early on.

So ya, when did you ISO me?

[Doctor Drew]

There’s still quite a lot to cover and I don’t think I can cover it all in this spurt of posting today.

Some highlights;
- I spent some time earlier trying to check Drew’s claim and bianco’s claim. As far as I can tell, there is no super overt contradiction. To Drew’s credit,

he softs vig quite far back

Morta ISOed you yesterday, citing 892, 902, and 906.

- Nyx

That doesn't seem 'quite far back', as you described.

And for the record, I did actually soft vig.....quite far back.

[Doctor Drew]

Might have to put this sheep out to pasture.

This was he way back post that I am sure Aisa was referencing.

[Doctor Drew]

Might have to put this sheep out to pasture.

This was he way back post that I am sure Aisa was referencing.

And oh look, it was D1.

When Aisa could have mentioned to Titus to use her delayed roleblock on me because she was afraid I would shoot Titus.

[Doctor Drew]

Again I say, why are you assuming SK?

I killed Morning Tweet, I tried vigging Kitty(but maybe was blocked by Titus?), and last night I tried vigging Bianco.

Pre Edit: I know there is a role that if an action happens on them it gets redirected onto someone else, but I don't know the name lol

I am indeed VT so this is also questionful.

What is questionable?

I survived your "shot" so your claim is pretty questionable.

I have been running with the assumption(as I just mentioned in my previous post) that Titus used her ability on me.

[Doctor Drew]

Again I say, why are you assuming SK?

I killed Morning Tweet, I tried vigging Kitty(but maybe was blocked by Titus?), and last night I tried vigging Bianco.

Pre Edit: I know there is a role that if an action happens on them it gets redirected onto someone else, but I don't know the name lol

I am indeed VT so this is also questionful.

What is questionable?

I survived your "shot" so your claim is pretty questionable.

I have been running with the assumption(as I just mentioned in my previous post) that Titus used her ability on me.

Possible I was JK by Menal.

[Doctor Drew]

Might have to put this sheep out to pasture.

This was he way back post that I am sure Aisa was referencing.

And oh look, it was D1.

When Aisa could have mentioned to Titus to use her delayed roleblock on me because she was afraid I would shoot Titus.

Nice slip, that point only applies if you're lying.
You claimed to shoot Kitty, who was quite obviously jailed N2. My theory here (which is really a lot more than a theory at this point) is that you are serial killer, tried to kill someone else, and so you know that Kitty being jailed isn't the reason your kill went missing. So you're trying to find some other cause that is plausible in your world.

- Nyx

I hope you did some stretches before that bit of mental gymnastics.

I tried vigging Kitty, they didn't die, Titus was elim'ed, they were a delayed roleblocker, Aisa said she saw I softed vig 'way back', my soft was potentially a threat to Titus, Aisa mentioned that to Titus.

I am trying to find out why my vig of Kitty didn't go through, yes. And my theory holds water, especially when your own hydra mate contradicted you in the game thread lol.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Hoping Kitty's gut is right.
The point about Drew forgetting Menalque jailkept Kitty gives me hope.

Honestly was tunneled so much on Titus being the delayed rb, I went back and iso'ed menal......didn't put two and two together.

[Doctor Drew]

Lol, that's an elim I see.

So we aren't using logic I guess, makes no sense me claiming Vig when no one claimed any sort of investigative role or tracking role or such. I could have coasted as a SK, or scum for that matter. DEM's arguments have so many holes in them and resorted to basically petty insults when called out on them.

And again, what benefit would I have to push my scum buddy when our other scum buddy was killed the night before?

I guess this is the thanks I get for vigging scum and hard pushing an elim on scum.

Clearly that is scum behavior *giant eye roll*

[Doctor Drew]

Lol, that's an elim I see.

So we aren't using logic I guess, makes no sense me claiming Vig when no one claimed any sort of investigative role or tracking role or such. I could have coasted as a SK, or scum for that matter. DEM's arguments have so many holes in them and

resorted to basically petty insults when called out on them.

And again, what benefit would I have to push my scum buddy when our other scum buddy was killed the night before?

I guess this is the thanks I get for vigging scum and hard pushing an elim on scum.

Clearly that is scum behavior *giant eye roll*

I am sorry if I said anything that you felt was insulting. That was not my intention.

I'm not sure if this was directed at me or my hydra partners, I admittedly don't read everything they post. I didn't accuse you of being mafia at any point though. You're right that you wouldn't have hardbussed Titus like that.

- Nyx

Lol, so now when I am dead you admit to a hard buss being illogical?

I don't take any of it personal, so no need to apologize, all in the name of the game.

But in the same vein, get the fuck out of here with this fake sympathy.

You got what you wanted.

[Doctor Drew]

Lol, that's an elim I see.

So we aren't using logic I guess, makes no sense me claiming Vig when no one claimed any sort of investigative role or tracking role or such. I could have coasted as a SK, or scum for that matter. DEM's arguments have so many holes in them and

resorted to basically petty insults when called out on them.

And again, what benefit would I have to push my scum buddy when our other scum buddy was killed the night before?

I guess this is the thanks I get for vigging scum and hard pushing an elim on scum.

Clearly that is scum behavior *giant eye roll*

I am sorry if I said anything that you felt was insulting. That was not my intention.

I'm not sure if this was directed at me or my hydra partners, I admittedly don't read everything they post. I didn't accuse you of being mafia at any point though. You're right that you wouldn't have hardbussed Titus like that.

- Nyx

Lol, so now when I am dead you admit to a hard buss being illogical?

I don't take any of it personal, so no need to apologize, all in the name of the game.

But in the same vein, get the fuck out of here with this fake sympathy.

You got what you wanted.

I never said a hardbus wasn't illogical. I'm assuming that perhaps Morta did, but I'm not her. I accused you specifically of being third party for the exact reason that I had ruled out a hardbus on Titus.
I don't know what fake sympathy you're talking about. When I hear my name and "insults" in the same sentence, I jump to "did I cross the line?" I don't think that's unreasonable.

- Nyx

You didn't cross any lines.