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[Roden]

Why do they call it oven when you of in the cold food of out hot eat the food

VOTE: Alisae

[Roden]

I'll tell you tonight if my Loyal Neighborizer shot goes through

[Roden]

Is this the fastest scum slip in the history of mafia

[Roden]

Damn, you're right, it was just a wording issue

I'm all out of leads

[Roden]

Spoiler: Alisae right now

[Roden]

It will be okay, you got my back, right Roden? <3

Sure thing

VOTE: Nurse

[Roden]

JasonWazza voting me only reinforces that they are town, in my mind.

VOTE: Mikhail

[Roden]

JasonWazza voting me only reinforces that they are town, in my mind.

VOTE: Mikhail

When one's every action intends to provoke a reaction, but one is unwilling to convey an agenda, it will of course be difficult to sleuth sincerity from them. I would encourage you to remain headstrong with this vote, as I will not be reevaluating my decision today under any circumstances.

Roden:

Mafia.

Sounds like an excuse to not have to scum hunt today

[Roden]

I too wish to find town

Maybe we have more in common than I thought

[Roden]

I too wish to find town

Maybe we have more in common than I thought

As of now, who do you trust most?

Alisae, since we currently have an alliance, and her ex Leaf, because I tend to believe Miller claims

[Roden]

Can you reword that

[Roden]

Roden how do you feel about our fellow mason buddy Takutai

I'm waiting for them to town tell

[Roden]

Can you reword that

Your response was somewhat expected, therefore it is scummy.

Walk me through this thought process

[Roden]

Can you reword that

Your response was somewhat expected, therefore it is scummy.

Walk me through this thought process

To this point, it is the first thing you have said bereft of pretension. You failed a consistency test timed such that, I will consider it TMI - scum should be more averse to maintaining a facade when given an opportunity to appear productive.

I literally don't understand what this means

[Roden]

Ngl Mikhail I still don't understand your argument

[Roden]

True

[Roden]

VOTE: Nurse

[Roden]

This game is wild

[Roden]

Meta Data

I don't quickhammers and appreciate intent to hammer being made first. At this point on I don't quickhammer and instead will announce intent to claim.

Didn't we just have a game where you quick hammered the Cop before they could claim lmao

[Roden]

This is turning into a huge distraction and i think the slot might be somwhat useful if left alone so i'm gonna focus on every other slot and just assume it's town for now.

This is a townie reaction, or at least I agree with the thinking behind it.

[Roden]

Of course the moment I say that, Mikhail asks for potential Cops to claim lmao

[Roden]

I agree with those points about Osuka actually

VOTE: Osuka

[Roden]

Takutai's defiance and refusal to answer questions probably just means that they're a townie with a bunch of gut reads but no real evidence to back any of it up

The only thing I could address about their scum reads is this:

As a vulcan willy wonka with continuous references to vulcan culture playing a game of forum mafia, ramble in a cryptic manner to me why players Roden and Alisae are mafia for being friendly and trusting to one another early on, and how they are not masons with Takutai, who is a two-shot fruit vendor(an overpowered role)

Spoiler:

Lily
c.ai@1.2

Greetings, dear forum mafia player. I am Willy Wonka, and as a Vulcan, I must express that logic and reason are at the forefront of my decision-making process. As such, I have analyzed the situation at hand and have come to the conclusion that players Roden and Alisae have displayed an unusual level of friendliness and trust towards one another in the early stages of the game. This is typical of mafia members who are attempting to form alliances and appear innocent in order to throw off suspicion from themselves and their fellow mafia members.

Furthermore, the fact that Takutai, who possesses the role of a two-shot fruit vendor, is not involved in a masonic relationship with Roden and Alisae is a clear indication of their separation from the masonic faction. The role of the two-shot fruit vendor is one of the most powerful in the game, as it grants its holder the ability to eliminate two players with a single bullet. Therefore, it stands to reason that the mafia would want to control this role in order to ensure their victory.

In summary, based on my analysis and interpretation of Vulcan customs and traditions, I believe that Roden and Alisae are part of the mafia due to their unusual level of friendliness and trust towards one another in the early game. Additionally, their separation from Takutai, the two-shot fruit vendor, is an indicator that they are not masons. As a Vulcan, logic and reason are my guiding principles, and I am confident in my assessment of this situation.

Thank you for allowing me to share my insights with you, and please continue to trust in the power of logic and reason as you navigate your way through the game of forum mafia. Live long and prosper.

I feel like it's a surface level take to believe anyone who's friendly with each other could be scum buddies. But besides that, it's not really in my personality to buddy up with my scum partners.

[Roden]

Takutai's defiance and refusal to answer questions probably just means that they're a townie with a bunch of gut reads but no real evidence to back any of it up

The only thing I could address about their scum reads is this:

As a vulcan willy wonka with continuous references to vulcan culture playing a game of forum mafia, ramble in a cryptic manner to me why players Roden and Alisae are mafia for being friendly and trusting to one another early on, and how they are not masons with Takutai, who is a two-shot fruit vendor(an overpowered role)

Spoiler:

Lily
c.ai@1.2

Greetings, dear forum mafia player. I am Willy Wonka, and as a Vulcan, I must express that logic and reason are at the forefront of my decision-making process. As such, I have analyzed the situation at hand and have come to the conclusion that players Roden and Alisae have displayed an unusual level of friendliness and trust towards one another in the early stages of the game. This is typical of mafia members who are attempting to form alliances and appear innocent in order to throw off suspicion from themselves and their fellow mafia members.

Furthermore, the fact that Takutai, who possesses the role of a two-shot fruit vendor, is not involved in a masonic relationship with Roden and Alisae is a clear indication of their separation from the masonic faction. The role of the two-shot fruit vendor is one of the most powerful in the game, as it grants its holder the ability to eliminate two players with a single bullet. Therefore, it stands to reason that the mafia would want to control this role in order to ensure their victory.

In summary, based on my analysis and interpretation of Vulcan customs and traditions, I believe that Roden and Alisae are part of the mafia due to their unusual level of friendliness and trust towards one another in the early game. Additionally, their separation from Takutai, the two-shot fruit vendor, is an indicator that they are not masons. As a Vulcan, logic and reason are my guiding principles, and I am confident in my assessment of this situation.

Thank you for allowing me to share my insights with you, and please continue to trust in the power of logic and reason as you navigate your way through the game of forum mafia. Live long and prosper.

I feel like it's a surface level take to believe anyone who's friendly with each other could be scum buddies. But besides that, it's not really in my personality to buddy up with my scum partners.

do u think they're mafia?

Nah, I think they're town. Their reads just don't have substance.

[Roden]

Takutai's defiance and refusal to answer questions probably just means that they're a townie with a bunch of gut reads but no real evidence to back any of it up

The only thing I could address about their scum reads is this:

As a vulcan willy wonka with continuous references to vulcan culture playing a game of forum mafia, ramble in a cryptic manner to me why players Roden and Alisae are mafia for being friendly and trusting to one another early on, and how they are not masons with Takutai, who is a two-shot fruit vendor(an overpowered role)

Spoiler:

Lily
c.ai@1.2

Greetings, dear forum mafia player. I am Willy Wonka, and as a Vulcan, I must express that logic and reason are at the forefront of my decision-making process. As such, I have analyzed the situation at hand and have come to the conclusion that players Roden and Alisae have displayed an unusual level of friendliness and trust towards one another in the early stages of the game. This is typical of mafia members who are attempting to form alliances and appear innocent in order to throw off suspicion from themselves and their fellow mafia members.

Furthermore, the fact that Takutai, who possesses the role of a two-shot fruit vendor, is not involved in a masonic relationship with Roden and Alisae is a clear indication of their separation from the masonic faction. The role of the two-shot fruit vendor is one of the most powerful in the game, as it grants its holder the ability to eliminate two players with a single bullet. Therefore, it stands to reason that the mafia would want to control this role in order to ensure their victory.

In summary, based on my analysis and interpretation of Vulcan customs and traditions, I believe that Roden and Alisae are part of the mafia due to their unusual level of friendliness and trust towards one another in the early game. Additionally, their separation from Takutai, the two-shot fruit vendor, is an indicator that they are not masons. As a Vulcan, logic and reason are my guiding principles, and I am confident in my assessment of this situation.

Thank you for allowing me to share my insights with you, and please continue to trust in the power of logic and reason as you navigate your way through the game of forum mafia. Live long and prosper.

I feel like it's a surface level take to believe anyone who's friendly with each other could be scum buddies. But besides that, it's not really in my personality to buddy up with my scum partners.

do u think they're mafia?

Nah, I think they're town. Their reads just don't have substance.

who is mafia

Osuka feels like frozen scum to me. Like he doesn't know what perspective he should have on the game and is trying to get by through focusing on Mikhail. But he's also overselling his emotional reactions to everything, like every post could just be summed up as monkaS emotes.

[Roden]

I agree with those points about Osuka actually

VOTE: Osuka

fucking rich coming from your slot. i've written more words in the past 10 minutes than you have the entire game

try again

Yeah but 90% of your posts are the equivalent of a Fine Bros React video with a pog face thumbnail

[Roden]

@Roden - we’ve played together like once before, yes?

Did I misfade you that game, or were you scum?

I was town but yeah we misread each other that game. I'm trying to approach you differently this time around.

[Roden]

Makes you seem a bit tense tbh.

Would you perhaps even say...

SEEMS A BIT DEFENSIVE

[Roden]

Either way you're wasting your vote as scum or town. So enjoy your lurk.

You know it's really funny to me, no matter what you say to me right now it goes right back against you.
You are essentially arguing against yourself and your own actions.

No I'm saying your vote is shit.

Do you actually mean that it's a shit vote, or is the push shit

[Roden]

Makes you seem a bit tense tbh.

Would you perhaps even say...

SEEMS A BIT DEFENSIVE

No i was thinking more that they seemed stressed and i also felt like they were gearing up for a 1v1 which seemed pretty unnatural so i wanted to see which way things were going by egging it on a bit.
I think scum!Alisae tends to be pretty aggressive so if they had behaved like that i might have legit scumread her hard.

Right now i’m leaning town tho maybe.

*Shrug*

With that in mind I can see your progression there, so that makes sense. I feel fine with setting both of you aside as town.

[Roden]

miki's towns are calling each other town, yaaay~

alisae n sakura hana kinda look like mafia partners in some worlds too yin thinks? probably past history but interactions feel just a lil off

we wanna be buds flavor leaf!

random nurse looks town too at this point? umm, is this game just really easy or something? weird, i have autowin

This game is only easy if scum are passive and don't know how to break into town cores

This player list seems pretty strong though, so even if scum are passive I think it's pretty likely that a couple of them are blending in well

Though even if that's true and I've been duped bamboozled and smeckledorfed, it's better to deal with that Day 2 and beyond after flipping my main scum read and gaining information Day 1

[Roden]

VOTE: firebringer

yin thinks the hardest decisions come first! sorry, you're fun but i don't wanna get attached

Is it bad to say that i don’t dislike that vote?

Fire seems exceptionally useless in this game.

Kinda mind melding here since I just finished skimming through Fire's ISO. He was hyper posting a couple days ago and then had almost nothing to say yesterday, and so far absolutely nothing today (going by my timezone). Useless maybe isn't the word I'd use but I feel like he quickly lost steam/interest in this game.

[Roden]

Though even if that's true and I've been duped bamboozled and smeckledorfed
Not only that, you might even get fortnite danced on or put on someones "best of" compilations on youtube.

Oh come on that was not inside of the quote MS.

Lmaooooo

[Roden]

Though even if that's true and I've been duped bamboozled and smeckledorfed
Not only that, you might even get fortnite danced on or put on someones "best of" compilations on youtube.

Oh come on that was not inside of the quote MS.

Lmaooooo

Oh I see, something in the quote coding got fucked up

[Roden]

Is it possible that something going horribly wrong? I mean D1 is kinda hard and I don't mind being wrong on D1 but here is how I see things.


Random Nurse - I think Nurse looks like they're trying to hunt and I think they are interested in finding mafia and being right.
NorwegianboyEE - Town already gone over this.
Sakura Hana - Most likely just town
JasonWazza - Definitely comes across as just doing their own thing and trying to find mafia and just be right. Follow the vote with this one.
MikhailTal - They don't come across as mafia.
Dunnstral - I honestly think Dunn telling me that he doesn't know is who mafia is probably +town points for him?

Flavor Leaf - FL could be playing a more tame game as mafia but I really don't get that impression from them, I think their d1 has been fine so far.

Hu Tao - They feel townie when it comes to what it is they're doing in the game.
Roden - they feel townie when it comes to just what they're doing throughout the game?

Firebringer - Nothing immediately comes to mind when it comes to Fire but like they feel townie its so weird bro.

Takutai - I need to actually look at this slot through a looking glass but if I saw my vote as agreeing to decide 1 person to dayvig, they're not a terrible vote. If they flipped town I think that would be decently helpful. Like bro they're so fucking weird.

osuka - So like people townread this slot and like i don't get it and I really don't think they're more townie than any of the above players?

I kinda mirror majority of these sentiments.
When i was online last night i had a weird feeling that everytime i have a scumread it vaporizes from the person posting, or ppl are just towny enough in their posting and i wanted to make a more analitic style read to find scum, but i kept drawing a blank everytime.
So eventually i went like "screw this if my analytic side isnt helping ill go with my gut".

I've been feeling similarly, I think this game is just full of strong social players. I'm used to it usually being a handful of people, but not almost everyone.

What's your gut saying right now?

[Roden]

What's your gut saying right now?

That Takutai is mafia. Their posting has been giving me weird vibes all game and idk how else to explain it.

Could you point a couple of them out?

I feel neutral on Takutai, idk if the vibes you and the others are feeling are because of individual posts or if it's something I just identify as his playstyle/personality

[Roden]

@Roben: I tried... i dont know how else to explain it other than "read their ISO", sorry.

I think effective use of the vote is uncommon and most players don't rly know how to effectively use their vote.

This is why i was asking people to help me wagon.

I understand tbh.

My experience with Taku is limited, but I know they're odd early on and then laser in later. I've been waiting for the latter but figured I'd have to give it a few more days.

I guess to help narrow the vibes down, do you think Taku giving odd vibes is intentiona on their part? Unintentional?

[Roden]

I guess to help narrow the vibes down, do you think Taku giving odd vibes is intentiona on their part? Unintentional?

if im getting scum gut feelings im gonna assume intentional.

That would make me think they're trying to fake their town meta then.

I'll take a deeper look at their ISO after work.

[Roden]

Anyone around who wants to talk meta?

I'm kind of here.

[Roden]

You're literally at E-1 what are you talking about

[Roden]

Is Takutai always like this?

No but I think I know what they're doing

[Roden]

Either way you're wasting your vote as scum or town. So enjoy your lurk.

You know it's really funny to me, no matter what you say to me right now it goes right back against you.
You are essentially arguing against yourself and your own actions.

No I'm saying your vote is shit.

Do you actually mean that it's a shit vote, or is the push shit

Look at this filler from scum. A pointless thing to ask for someone who doesn't care. Okay Roden you're not voting me but why should I trust you here?

I call a scum in Alisae and Roden and look at all of the people who want to kill little old me for me it isntead of, you know, hunting scum

I asked this because there's a sizable difference between a shit push and a shit vote. Bad pushes are scummy, while bad votes tend to come from uninformed town.

[Roden]

I know I kinda act like this when I get pressured for bad reasons as town and think no one's listening to me. So idk. We have time and I think it's worth giving Taku some space to decompress. If a few days go by and it's just more of this then fine, send them packing.

[Roden]

Either way you're wasting your vote as scum or town. So enjoy your lurk.

You know it's really funny to me, no matter what you say to me right now it goes right back against you.
You are essentially arguing against yourself and your own actions.

No I'm saying your vote is shit.

Do you actually mean that it's a shit vote, or is the push shit

Look at this filler from scum. A pointless thing to ask for someone who doesn't care. Okay Roden you're not voting me but why should I trust you here?

I call a scum in Alisae and Roden and look at all of the people who want to kill little old me for me it isntead of, you know, hunting scum

I asked this because there's a sizable difference between a shit push and a shit vote. Bad pushes are scummy, while bad votes tend to come from uninformed town.

What is the difference?

Agenda vs skill issue

[Roden]

Either way you're wasting your vote as scum or town. So enjoy your lurk.

You know it's really funny to me, no matter what you say to me right now it goes right back against you.
You are essentially arguing against yourself and your own actions.

No I'm saying your vote is shit.

Do you actually mean that it's a shit vote, or is the push shit

Look at this filler from scum. A pointless thing to ask for someone who doesn't care. Okay Roden you're not voting me but why should I trust you here?

I call a scum in Alisae and Roden and look at all of the people who want to kill little old me for me it isntead of, you know, hunting scum

I asked this because there's a sizable difference between a shit push and a shit vote. Bad pushes are scummy, while bad votes tend to come from uninformed town.

What is the difference?

Agenda vs skill issue

How do you go about telling the difference before the end of the game? When does it have an agenda, and how do you even know it's a bad vote without knowing alignments?

I don't. I wanted to know what Taku thought. I have my own thoughts when it comes to Norwe's vote, I just kinda think it's fine and expected.

But in scenarios where I need to determine the difference between bad vote vs bad push? It always depends on context and my gut read on how the person is approaching the situation.

As an aside, I thought about it a little more and technically bad pushes with an agenda behind it can also come from town, but that usually comes from a place of ego.

[Roden]

Can you clarify what you meant in 563 now Takutai?

No you're scummy and I chose to ignore you once already.

I'm doing some herb I'll deconstruct the fire, tal, alisae, jason and other posible votes soon. I did expect this after all, this is a clutter game and in clutter games some town have the tendency to become lazy, desperate, confused or all of them at once.

Luckily the Osuka wagon is still like 95% a town one so plus mine we already have a lot analyze.

I missed this post somehow and only noticed it because Alisae quoted it.

I agree that the Osuka wagon was townie but I also think it's weird that his wagon melted and Taku's got piled on instead.

Votecount 1.6

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer

votes

MikhailTal (1):

osuka

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Dunnstral(1):

Firebringer

osuka (4):

Roden, Random Nurse, Sakura Hana, Alisae

Takutai (1):

NorwegianboyEE

Random Nurse (1):

MikhailTal

Firebringer (2):

JasonWazza, Hu Tao

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Takutai

Day One ends in (expired on 2023-07-28 05:00:00)

Votecount 1.7

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer

votes

Takutai (6)

E-1

:

NorwegianboyEE, Saukura Hana, JasonWazza, Firebringer, Alisae, MikhailTal

osuka (2):

Roden, Random Nurse

MikhailTal (1):

osuka

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Firebringer (1):

Hu Tao

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Takutai

Day One ends in (expired on 2023-07-28 05:00:00)

Thing is, I feel like Taku's wagon is really pure too? The only one I'm meh on is Fire and

maybe

Jason, and I heavily doubt that both are scum. I think scum are just staying off of the wagons.

Kinda hate that the Osuka wagon evaporated but no one seems interested there atp.

[Roden]

VOTE: Hu Tao

I wanna do this.

[Roden]

osuka's wagon didn't rly evaporate.
me jason nurse sakura were like lets vote this guy
eventually those people decided that they didn't want osuka so they eventually swapped onto takutai

Norwee was already voting Takutai
The only unique voters are Mikhail and Fire.
the least townie person on the Takutai wagon is probably Fire.
Fire voted Takutai because Sakura asked him to.

In my head it felt like there was notable pressure against Osuka for around a day, then a really loud resistance to the Osuka wagon came up and killed the momentum there. Like people got cold feet around the same time people were looking back at Taku's posts and feeling the ick.

[Roden]

Oh and mandatory:

nurse you need to keep this bit going and just like, don't even acknowledge that you're getting voted on

Why? Worried they will self-incriminate under pressure? happier with my vote now.

Ok so like. I get that it's weird but what is the issue here? Scum have day talk, so if it's supposed to be scum/scum advice then it didn't have to be said here.

[Roden]

Ok so like. I get that it's weird but what is the issue here? Scum have day talk, so if it's supposed to be scum/scum advice then it didn't have to be said here.

It's the underlying impresion that there's 0 town motive and a lot of scum motive from preventing me from sorting Nurse.

Of course the easy answer is "scum slip", but i dont know if Mikhail is noob enough to do that.

That would be a wild scum slip lol

But I guess yeah I can see the scum motive there, but it also doesn't seem like actual advice to Nurse. In that same post, Mikhail calls Nurse scum among...other, ramblings. Like claiming that I'm a N3 Vig.

I'd only be wary if we had evidence there were Traitors. Otherwise I think it's simpler to say Mikhail was just being quirky.

[Roden]

anyone besides me find this game extremely boring
lets get a wagon going on me so i can care about this game more.

It is pro town to vote this slot and I will town lock anyone who does

VOTE: Fire

[Roden]

Damn, I can't vote a town lock

UNVOTE:

[Roden]

Osuka's recent posts felt townier so idk if I do want to go back there anymore

Hu Tao repeatedly threatening to vote me for the past 72 hours and then not actually voting me is undechipherable

Dunn questioning me on semantics with no follow up or any reasoning given for it feels like that was just busy work and like he didn't care

[Roden]

There's a bunch of threats to scum read/vote me/Alisae/Sakura/Hu Tao/Dunn but everyone just seems more comfortable going after distractions

[Roden]

VOTE: Dunn

[Roden]

Scum could just be frozen

Possibly hoping we get bored and move back to voting a flailing townie that everyone can gasp at while clutching their pearls

[Roden]

Scum!Dunn tends to be low activity compared to town!Dunn, in my experience

If his buddies are waiting for him to come back to defend himself then the lack of activity makes sense

[Roden]

Alisae please vote Dunn

I'll fake a green check on you tomorrow in return if you'd like

[Roden]

VOTE: Dunn

UNVOTE:

I've been hoodwinked

[Roden]

Do you town read Dunn

[Roden]

Dunn has even less posts than the mod

Like what has he done that would earn a town read over a null read at best

[Roden]

I think I would like a much more proactive dunn and a dunn that posted more and gave time to the thread but when I asked him who was mafia and he said he didn't know who it was, that seemed like an honest reply.

What makes it seem honest to you?

[Roden]

Oh no Jason, my tr, is going to come after me
Sp00ky

Who do you think is scum?

idunno and if i did know i wouldn't say anything

Maybe a better question is "who do you scum read?"

[Roden]

Wait have I been using the wrong pronouns

[Roden]

I don't care about pronouns you may refer to me as whatever as long as I know its me

I'm just using the pronoun i remember you having before they switched the system.

Alright, just wanted to make sure since I thought I missed it earlier

Pretty sure Alisae knows that those questions always refer to eir scumreads.

Which is why im perplexed right now

But yeah, I kinda figured this. Alisae's been obfuscating their perspective and I wanted to know if they still would even with a direct question without loop holes.

[Roden]

That's waaaay too many people not voting

[Roden]

Alisae's been obfuscating their perspective

Yeah kinda weird... considering how much they've been sorting... supposedly.
P-Edit: Oh nice a VC that i can read (is there some mafsilver discrimination on this site or something)

I think they are still sorting, you can see it in their ISO. But they're also burying it with shenanigans.

[Roden]

Please chill

[Roden]

Scum!Dunn tends to be low activity compared to town!Dunn, in my experience

If his buddies are waiting for him to come back to defend himself then the lack of activity makes sense

Nah this isn't true. A lot of people say this but it has just never been true. If I'm low activity it means I'm just not very interested in the game on a personal level.

Also the game is moving at a mile a minute from my point of view so I don't know what you mean by lack of activity. If you do think I am low activity as scum can you link to a game where this is the case or something.

Gonna just post games we were both in.

Town games with moderate-to-high activity:

SCP Upick: viewtopic.php?sid=&f=54&t=87700&user_select%5B%5D=27717

GnG Upick: viewtopic.php?sid=&f=54&t=89068&user_select%5B%5D=27717

Lost: viewtopic.php?sid=&f=56&t=89664&user_select%5B%5D=27717

Scum game with low activity:

Control: viewtopic.php?sid=&f=56&t=88500&user_select%5B%5D=27717

[Roden]

Y'all we gotta start voting scum reads eventually

[Roden]

Also please fucking stop soft claiming VT just because you're not having fun atm

[Roden]

Also please fucking stop soft claiming VT just because you're not having fun atm

who is this for??????

Not you

[Roden]

Jason’s a little outta pocket here ngl.

Seems a little forced, but really might not be. I’m not seeing scum reasoning from his post.

At the end of the day, I’m not getting much scum reads right now, so I’m wrong somewhere.

What about this seems forced exactly?

I'm annoyed at how this game is not moving anywhere, and that is irrelevant to my alignment.

Town and Scum me would be annoyed at this for different but similar reasons.

Town!Jason hates this because it's impossible to progress reads and actually make headway.

Scum!Jason hates this because it's boring as fuck, and doesn't make for an enjoyable game.

I haven't liked a single push Jason has done this game.

And that makes me scum?

This game frankly just feels annoying to play because no one is DOING anything, i try to get shit done to work on what I'm feeling, and then people decide to actively do less, and this is fucking frustrating.

None of my pushes have been a set in stone you are scum, it's been mostly trying to get actual reactions out, because frankly my reads feel shit, and the Town Block we have feels even worse.

But hey if I'm scum for trying to do shit, go for it get me out.

What do you classify this as

[Roden]

Jason’s a little outta pocket here ngl.

Seems a little forced, but really might not be. I’m not seeing scum reasoning from his post.

At the end of the day, I’m not getting much scum reads right now, so I’m wrong somewhere.

What about this seems forced exactly?

I'm annoyed at how this game is not moving anywhere, and that is irrelevant to my alignment.

Town and Scum me would be annoyed at this for different but similar reasons.

Town!Jason hates this because it's impossible to progress reads and actually make headway.

Scum!Jason hates this because it's boring as fuck, and doesn't make for an enjoyable game.

I haven't liked a single push Jason has done this game.

And that makes me scum?

This game frankly just feels annoying to play because no one is DOING anything, i try to get shit done to work on what I'm feeling, and then people decide to actively do less, and this is fucking frustrating.

None of my pushes have been a set in stone you are scum, it's been mostly trying to get actual reactions out, because frankly my reads feel shit, and the Town Block we have feels even worse.

But hey if I'm scum for trying to do shit, go for it get me out.

What do you classify this as

[Roden]

I'm gonna be honest and say, I don't know what your really wanting me to respond to there Roden.

VOTE: Jason

[Roden]

Votecount 1.13

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13

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7

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votes

Firebringer (3):

Hu Tao, sheepsaysmeep, JasonWazza

Random Nurse (2):

Flavor Leaf, osuka

Alisae (2):

Sakura Hana, NorwegianboyEE

NorwegianboyEE (1):

Alisae

osuka (1):

Takutai

JasonWazza (1):

Roden

Dunnstral (1):

Firebringer

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Random Nurse

notes

• The combined mod ISO is here.

Day One ends in (expired on 2023-07-28 05:14:00)

I keep killing wagons every time I join them

Kinda annoying

UNVOTE:

[Roden]

cannot joke as a wolf

I feel like Norwe has been having fun this game

[Roden]

Roden what do you think of Norwee

Tonally they seem town to me and they haven't done anything I particularly disagree with. Or at least nothing I can remember off the top of my head. And I find a lot of his posts relateable.

If I'm misreading his tone then I legit need a frame by frame replay here

[Roden]

Gonna open up his ISO for a refresher

[Roden]

flavor leaf having fun in this same game that Im reading is so weird that it might be mafia

You are the town priest at the pinnacle of my pyramid summon me if anyone pushes you.

Sheep got spewed town from the previous player in that slot + Miller claim is 99% guaranteed to be real

Pushing them is a scum claim at this point lol

[Roden]

I keep killing wagons every time I join them

Kinda annoying

UNVOTE:

Pretty please vote osuka with me

A few days ago I would have, but their posting improved

[Roden]

Leaf + Alisae scum team is kinda silly

[Roden]

I still think Dunn is scum and the proper vote today but I'm getting stone walled

[Roden]

I could vote Fire and hope they're just Vengeful

[Roden]

I think Alisae seems too confident and their PoE too narrow to be real. It basically just screams "trying to control the narrative" by doing these surface level townie things that in reality are very poorly thought out.
I think if they genuinely scumread me they would focus more on why i'm scum instead of trying to hunt for "partners" in the most surface level manner possible. Doesn't help that Sakura here just seems like town to me. I could see a world where i'm town accidentally protecting scum while pushing a town!Alisae. But right now i'm close to 100% convinced that is not the case.

I keep seeing people say that Alisae is trying to control the narrative, but what narrative are they actually forcing through here?

Like, yes on a superficial level it looks like they're doing that, but, 1) their attempts to control the narrative are so transparent that it becomes blatant, and 2) they're not doing a very good job of it. It really just comes down to them stone walling the active posters when any of us try to push a scum read they disagree with. Which has been like, all of them.

The worst that has happened is that Alisae is preventing wagons from building up by using their influence to kill momentum, but I feel like the easy workaround here is to just ignore then and communicate with each other.

Tell me your scum reads. Let's find some common ground.

[Roden]

Ok, wasnt really planning to tryhard this game, just wanted a nice relaxing game to come back and get back into the swing of things, but with how things are going this game, it seems i'm going to have to do something about it as it feels like there's a chance scum are controlling the game right now.

On the subject of Random Nurse

You probably saw me mention it a few times already, but RN left us a really nice self-meta on their first post:

Meta Data

Just a heads-up: I typically struggle on Day 1 due to not having anything tangible to work with.

I work as a strictly nocturnal night nurse, so am asleep during the day. I also work 60-72 hours each week

As Town I am free to be aggressive because I legitimately don't know who is what, and I don't care about self-preservation.

As Scum I struggle to emulate the above play and frequently try to force myself to forget my role.

As Town I work best by consistent extreme engagement to generate content: it's extremely easy to do as Town and a chore for me to do as Scum because I already have insider knowledge and I'm a terrible liar. As Town it's extremely easy for me to make free-flowing-thought posts on a dime.

I don't quickhammers and appreciate intent to hammer being made first. At this point on I don't quickhammer and instead will announce intent to claim.

I prefer NOT to play using readslists due to my severe time constraints. It's easier for me to tell you how I feel about a player, and as Town if you ask me I should be able to tell you fairly soon how I honestly feel about them. If it takes awhile then I'm possibly Scum.

On Day 1 expect me to be playing based solely on gut reads and gut vibes: I have no tangible evidence to work with.

I'm making it a habit to post this post first at the start of each game, and then start reading.

My main issue with random nurse is that they dont feel aggresive as they mention, while they mention that as scum they struggle to emulate it. I've been giving them a lot of room considering we're reaching the end of deadline, just in case they are legit busy. After their first string of posts then they go into do almost nothing mode as i mentioned before:

VOTE: Random Nurse

Yeah, forgot about them, and then dont like ISO either, and remember them pinging me with the town read on Sakura and Alisae, yet 'FL is a mystery'

seems like a positioning tactic

I support this vote but not for these reasons, but they seemed to be active at first until they got stonewalled by Takutai and then they dissapeared off the thread in terms of sorting.

Spoiler: quotes

Am I crazy or does anyone else here notice that Takutai outright ignores my question?

miki's towns are calling each other town, yaaay~

alisae n sakura hana kinda look like mafia partners in some worlds too yin thinks? probably past history but interactions feel just a lil off

we wanna be buds flavor leaf!

random nurse looks town too at this point? umm, is this game just really easy or something? weird, i have autowin

Is this the same Mikhail?

Is this the same Mikhail?

They are a plural system. I believe Yin is posting right now

Like a Hydra?

I thought those weren't allowed in Normal games?

Votecount 1.7

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Takutai (6)

E-1

:

NorwegianboyEE, Saukura Hana, JasonWazza, Firebringer, Alisae, MikhailTal

osuka (2):

Roden, Random Nurse

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Takutai

MikhailTal (1):

osuka

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Firebringer (1):

Hu Tao

Day One ends in (expired on 2023-07-28 05:00:00)

Is it possible you could keep those who are not voting separate and at the bottom, please?

Also, despite Takutai being unwilling to explain himself when I asked him a simple question on why he found those two other players Scummy, I don't really see any reason why he's already at L-1. It seems way too easy to me.

UNVOTE: osuka

Rereading Takutai's ISO.

Is everything RN's done in the last 2 IRL days.
VOTE: Real Nurse

After which, they went V/LA and i went "Okay, maybe they are legit busy, i'll see what happens when they come back", so i kept waiting for their V/LA to end, which was supposed to be Sunday morning, on when the posted this:

I'll be poking my head in tonight.

This happened at sunday morning in my timezone so i was under the assumption this was them ending their V/LA and saying they'd post during the night. After which i waited for a post during the night, and... nothing since then.

Could potentially give them more time, but the clock is ticking, and i'm not sure if they stalling until night 1 at this point or just legit busy.

On the subject of Alisae

I keep flip flopping here a lot, but what set me off mostly was when I was trying to reaction test RN, at... sunday night where i assumed is when they would be reading/catching up, and this happens:

Well since FL didnt reply i'll just do it then. Sorry it took a bit.

Dayvig: Random Nurse

when you're so desperate you're faking dayvigs

Like why, why interrupt me from trying to get anything?, They seem to townread Nurse, but despite me commenting on my read being partly based on their first post's self-meta at least moer than once, doesnt seem to be engaging me on it either, feels like they are trying to bury it out or something.

Mostly going by these weird connection i'm seeing between Alisae and RN, but i do admit, i'm not that sure on Alisae being scum, their pivot onto Norwee that came out of the blue and flipped their read is nothing short of suspicious and i dunno if it's something Alisae would do as scum.

On the subject on Flavor Leaf.

Being honest here, literally the only reason i have for this is how he suddenly agrees with Alisae on Norwee, maybe this is some Level 100 play i'm not seeing coz i'm a noob at this game, but it gives me weird feelings about it all the same.

End words

I'm not expecting people to follow my intuition or logic here, since i'm bad at explaining things anyway and i'm not into faking confidence to get my scumreads pushed, but i figured it's better if i let my thoughts out than keep them to myself.

VOTE: Random Nurse

Btw I acknowledge this and am currently waiting for Nurse to play like they promised they would.

[Roden]

Alisae being blatant isn’t a towntell though, normally i’d agree with you. But i’m pretty sure Alisae openly admits they openwolf as scum in previous games.
They are selling an narrative here, and that narrative is that i’m scum for vague "trust me bro" reasons that i’m too clueless or something. And of course the ever-victorious Norwee/Osuka/Sakura scum team. They are trying to give reasonings behind why it makes sense but it comes across as very shouty and dominant, which as i said earlier. I feel is an way to make up for their shortcomings.

It's not

just

being blatant though. Like you're even saying here that it isn't a good case. I agree with you, it isn't a good case and I think most people feel the same since no one's following her lead. I think that's the point.

Alisae doesn't really need to open wolf right now since so many people aren't doing that much. Scum would most easily blend in today with either a strong social game or by laying low with the other low activity slots. So what I think is actually happening here is that she's trying bait people into voting either you or herself. Like I think if she actually scum read you or was scum herself then she'd do more than scream how scummy you are at a bunch of people who are active and clearly don't buy it. And don't forget this from earlier:

Makes you seem a bit tense tbh.

Would you perhaps even say...

SEEMS A BIT DEFENSIVE

No i was thinking more that they seemed stressed and i also felt like they were gearing up for a 1v1 which seemed pretty unnatural so i wanted to see which way things were going by egging it on a bit.
I think scum!Alisae tends to be pretty aggressive so if they had behaved like that i might have legit scumread her hard.

Lmfao it’s funny because I thought something similar which is why I voted you. Wanted to see if you would vote back or just how you would respond to that in general.

It was like
> post to Norwee
> fl responded
> I got triggered and explained myself
> Norwee called me tense
> I got triggered
> I decided to vote him w/ rly flimsy & weird reasoning I didn’t really believe much in
> he didn’t immediately jump back at me or use this as justification to fos me even if he was prepared for it
> I unvoted

If anything the vote to my unvote was just me being like “hey i can probably use my current sequence of posts to my advantage to maybe get something out of it” and now my Norwee tr is stronger which is fine.

I'm pretty sure Alisae was just looking to catch scum who made opportunistic votes on clearly bad wagons. But no one's really falling for it, which makes me think that either the scum team is too good to fall for that or they simply aren't here/paying attention.

[Roden]

Tell me your scum reads. Let's find some common ground.

I think i’ve delved a lot into my thoughts here. Rather than explaning myself more to you i would like to see you take more of an initiative and show where you are going today and why.

I wanna kill somewhere in Dunn/Jason/Hu Tao. Fire/Nurse are my compromise votes.

[Roden]

Tell me your scum reads. Let's find some common ground.

I think i’ve delved a lot into my thoughts here. Rather than explaning myself more to you i would like to see you take more of an initiative and show where you are going today and why.

I wanna kill somewhere in Dunn/Jason/Hu Tao. Fire/Nurse are my compromise votes.

Also, an Alisae flip would be extremely informative IMO but that might be a better flip Day 2.

[Roden]

Roden you're claiming that Alisae aren't pushing me for real and only doing it for reactions like before? I disagree, i think it is very clearly a real push from them right now.
If it's not working then she's just doing it badly as scum imo. Not everything needs to be galaxy brain.

In fact i thought the first "reaction test" might have been an pocketing attempt on me, that's why i said just after their reaction test that i still didn't townread Alisae. And i meant it.

I don't understand the point of the push if she's scum. I don't think you're ever getting voted out today and she has to be self aware enough to know that the way she's playing is making her look bad. Like this doesn't have to be galaxy brain strats but I want to believe that there's at least a little nuance to her play here.

[Roden]

Roden, my strategy is to make Norwee look like a donkey, and if he actually gets anywhere with it to punish

Like I don’t even need to say “look at how scummy these Norwee posts are” when he can just post and make himself look worse.
I don’t rly have to do anything here until I feel threatened to counter

[Roden]

Like, yes on a superficial level it looks like they're doing that, but, 1) their attempts to control the narrative are so transparent that it becomes blatant, and 2) they're not doing a very good job of it. It really just comes down to them stone walling the active posters when any of us try to push a scum read they disagree with. Which has been like, all of them.

The issue is that it's literally all of them, and that their scum reads are basically changing to cause the most apathy possible in the game it feels like (I haven't done my re-read yet, but that feels like what they have been doing to me at least, and at least without a full re-read in context)

I dunno it could be an issue of me not liking Alisae as a player, that's why I need to do a re-read, but outside of the lolrandom posting, I don't actually think I dislike Alisae as a player, it's just that the lolrandom is way too much of their posting, and the rest doesn't seem right.

I'm just the type of person that gets better reads by engagement.
And it's hard to when ppl refuse to engage with me.

Same, that's why i'm struggling because of all the stone walls.

Oof this might actually be town

[Roden]

Btw if anyone had any doubts about Nurse's alignment 1878 should tell you everything you need to know.

VOTE: Nurse

[Roden]

Roden, man, Norwee is pushing me the way he is because he is trying to sell this idea that I am a wolf as opposed to him actually wanting to be right

Like you might think he's approaching me in good faith and he's a villager with a genuine read with me but like
he's not
he's really really not

Why can't he just be OMGUS-ing town?

[Roden]

Oh... but random isnt gonna flip town

I don't think so either, and that's the best case scenario.

In that case, i dont think you should be the one investigated. Should be Roden probably.

I'm good with this actually.

[Roden]

Like regardless of the Nurse flip I think I'm just a better investigation check than Sakura

[Roden]

Like regardless of the Nurse flip I think I'm just a better investigation check than Sakura

Why? I think i'm a better investigation check since literally half the lobby thinks im scum.

Because you're bleeding townieness all over this game, and I want Hu Tao to do literally anything else besides popping in every 35.9 hours just to say they might vote me

[Roden]

Like regardless of the Nurse flip I think I'm just a better investigation check than Sakura

Why? I think i'm a better investigation check since literally half the lobby thinks im scum.

Because you're bleeding townieness all over this game, and I want Hu Tao to do literally anything else besides popping in every 35.9 hours just to say they might vote me

Well half the lobby seems to disagree with you on me "bleeding towniness all over this game".
But i appreciate it.

This lobby is too scared to vote anyone loud, it's all just talk. Leaf is probably the only one willing to effort case you and I don't think it's a priority atm + you'll come off as a lot townier if Nurse does flip red.

[Roden]

The wackiest Normal set up I've played in was a Pooky game with nearly unintelligble roles, three Millers doesn't feel all that wacky in comparison

[Roden]

The wackiest Normal set up I've played in was a Pooky game with nearly unintelligble roles, three Millers doesn't feel all that wacky in comparison

Assuming 3 millers is all we have.

I honestly don't think it is, because i have been getting PR vibes outside of Sheep/Alisae/FL

I have assumptions about the set up but nothing I want to share yet.

Also the Pooky game I was talking about:

[Roden]

Roden,

what exactly

is your reason for voting me?

Lol

I'll let you guess why I would vote one of my scum reads

[Roden]

You're leaving skid marks in the ground by veering like that, Nurse

[Roden]

osuka if ur a miller why the fuck would u respond to me saying i would cop u with the fact thats the only way to tell ur alignment.

that makes no fucking sense if ur town

Can you quote where he did this?

btw if i was a cop i think i would check osuka tonight

thats the only way you can figure out my alignment pre-flip, so props to you for realizing it

I'm tempted to slam a hammer vote down tbh.

o wait takutai unvoted right

VOTE: Osuka

[Roden]

ok so wolves aren't PR hunting
VOTE: Norwee

When I saw this kill the first thing that I thought is 'wolves are pr hunting.'

I don't see sakura being gone serving any other plan than pr hunting.

Sakura basically claimed VT, this kill couldn't be PR hunting

[Roden]

This game is either

Flavour scum in millers + Every other miller is town= All other scum outside miller claims.

All miller claims are town = All scum are outside of the miller claims.

I think these are the only two possible worlds we have.

I do think Leaf's play doesn't make sense as scum, but...I also agree some stuff doesn't add up if he's town. I have a theory that's been rolling around in my head but I don't have anything to go by other than a gut feeling telling me something is off.

Either way I don't really want to vote there today.

[Roden]

ok so wolves aren't PR hunting
VOTE: Norwee

When I saw this kill the first thing that I thought is 'wolves are pr hunting.'

I don't see sakura being gone serving any other plan than pr hunting.

Sakura basically claimed VT, this kill couldn't be PR hunting

I don't really care either way.

In light of the osuka hammer what is your current take on NorwegianBoyEE and Alisae?

I still think they're both town and I'm not as interested in flipping Alisae today for the info as I was yesterday.

What does your solve look like now with these flips?

[Roden]

Also I don't want to theorize too much about the kill, but considering how much life she was injecting into the game all of Day 1 I have a feeling the main point of her death was to help induce apathy.

[Roden]

Ok took a bit of a break.
Roden while i read your ISO. Who are your main suspects today?

Nurse, Dunn, Hu Tao. Not really a team solve but I feel like it's guaranteed that scum are here. If scum are in my town reads then my blind spots would be Norwe and Flavor.

ok so wolves aren't PR hunting
VOTE: Norwee

When I saw this kill the first thing that I thought is 'wolves are pr hunting.'

I don't see sakura being gone serving any other plan than pr hunting.

Sakura basically claimed VT, this kill couldn't be PR hunting

Where? Also if that is the case scum must have knowledge that makes them not worried about investigating pr

She tried to make a deal with Alisae that involved her volunteering to self-elim. That's not a thing town PRs typically do, since, you know, they don't want to die over a failed gambit and waste a town PR.

What makes you think scum are informed about investigative roles? And why did you soft claim here that you aren't an investigative role?

Also my hypo claim:

HYPO CLAIM WITH SOME FLAVOR

STARTING DAY 2

Everybody fill out the following per day phase:

I am a Cop. Norwe is Town.

I am a Role Cop. Leaf is a Miller.

[Roden]

FL Answer my question

Roden’s got a bad spot on Osuka, and can see them piling, but I’ve liked them, nonetheless, I see it.

For the record, I voted him thinking he'd flip town. I hadn't scum read him at that point anymore, but he poisoned his place in the game state by reacting so badly to his wagon and flubbing his Miller claim. That and nearly all of my town reads were on the wagon (Taku got off and lost their spot but I still count them), so I figured either I would be wrong about Osuka or this would make a bunch of my town reads have to start reassessing.

[Roden]

VOTE: Nurse

I think this is the best place to go in my scum reads right now without breaking anyone's hypo-claim illusions.

[Roden]

How about we let others give their opinions on it then?

Me and sheep are against

You and Alisae are for. If majority want to do it I'll play along

You are town don't let these hyperposters draw you out, scum just want confusion for mis-elims here because they can't win any other way.

Your top scum read flipped town. It's time to reassess.

[Roden]

How about we let others give their opinions on it then?

Me and sheep are against

You and Alisae are for. If majority want to do it I'll play along

You are town don't let these hyperposters draw you out, scum just want confusion for mis-elims here because they can't win any other way.

Your top scum read flipped town. It's time to reassess.

Two of them did actually.

[Roden]

Hu Tao, Random, or Norwegian fade today.

these are all kinda bad imo

Yeah Roden Fire and Leaf have poes so basic not sure theyre even readin some slots. Feeps like 'who can we kill' and not 'who's scum'

My dude, you tried shooting for the stars and hit town. Sometimes scum just don't do shit and actually do sit in an easy PoE. I'm not even saying my PoE is the entire scum team but a place to start.

Hu Tao isn't doing shit and has a PoE of exactly one person (me) and waited ten days to actually vote me after testing the waters. Nurse is doing even less but also tried shifting suspicion to me at the last minute with the slimiest pivot possible. Dunn is a non-entity in this game and spent a hefty amount of time just reacting to my scum read on him.

It's wild to me to see that scum killed one of the few players that was preventing apathy from sitting in, and then think "hmmmm the dead weight slots who keep trying to kill town WIM must all be town, and the slots trying to keep the game alive must all be scum"

[Roden]

Cop NIght 1 - Roden Town
Role Cop - Sheep - Miller

Sigh fine, since everyone is doing it then why not.

Cop: Alisae town

Rolecop: Sheep miller

Wait Alisae is miller. LOL i’m an idiot.

Lmaoooo

[Roden]

Hu Tao, Random, or Norwegian fade today.

these are all kinda bad imo

Yeah Roden Fire and Leaf have poes so basic not sure theyre even readin some slots. Feeps like 'who can we kill' and not 'who's scum'

My dude, you tried shooting for the stars and hit town. Sometimes scum just don't do shit and actually do sit in an easy PoE. I'm not even saying my PoE is the entire scum team but a place to start.

Hu Tao isn't doing shit and has a PoE of exactly one person (me) and waited ten days to actually vote me after testing the waters. Nurse is doing even less but also tried shifting suspicion to me at the last minute with the slimiest pivot possible. Dunn is a non-entity in this game and spent a hefty amount of time just reacting to my scum read on him.

It's wild to me to see that scum killed one of the few players that was preventing apathy from sitting in, and then think "hmmmm the dead weight slots who keep trying to kill town WIM must all be town, and the slots trying to keep the game alive must all be scum"

Hu Tao is town and that entire push with flavor and fire doesnt sit right with me.

Trying the same pathetic ad hominem tricks as flavor leaf is going to get you nowhere.

Why is Hu Tao town. Saying they're town without explanation doesn't mean anything.

Also miss me with that "ad hominem" shit, I shut down your wagon, gave you space to solve, and gave you the flip you wanted. I'm telling you to reassess now because your line of reasoning for your scum reads are wrong and scum are letting you steam roll with bad reads while laying low. You aren't paying attention to your position in this game state.

[Roden]

Has scum ever used "fuck you guys, I'm gonna go be an artist instead" as AtE before

[Roden]

Has scum ever used "fuck you guys, I'm gonna go be an artist instead" as AtE before

Idk, seems like something I’d say as scum, but i can’t for sure say I’ve said it.

I really don't think Taku is scum here. They're being ridiculous but I just think it's just them not being aware of their position. Though I do think they are intentionally trying to antagonize you so ignoring them is probably for the best.

Also I'd rather hit scum than bad town today, because if we keep hitting bad town I don't see how we'll have enough good will from the rest of the town to force out scum in the late game. Like they're clearly just letting Taku run wild and there are very specific people who benefit from that, the same way there were specific people who benefitted from Mikhail causing chaos earlier on.

[Roden]

How about we let others give their opinions on it then?

Me and sheep are against

You and Alisae are for. If majority want to do it I'll play along

You are town don't let these hyperposters draw you out, scum just want confusion for mis-elims here because they can't win any other way.

Your top scum read flipped town. It's time to reassess.

I townread yesterday's Elim, why not reassess me then since you want him to reassess based on yesterday's elim

Because he hard scum read two flipped townies yet is still confident his scum pool is 100% accurate.

Why the hell would I reassess you for spewing that a town slot would flip town?

[Roden]

Taku doesn't really read like Enchant to me, but if they are Enchant then I might be wrong about my town read there. Scum!Enchant has a history of scum reading me as scum and almost never commits to read on me as town.

[Roden]

Taku doesn't really read like Enchant to me, but if they are Enchant then I might be wrong about my town read there. Scum!Enchant has a history of scum reading me as scum and almost never commits to read on me as town.

To me it feels as if you're informed and I don't see the solving and uncertainty I associate with town.

Takutai, how do you feel about Norwegian right now?

Better than day one because he's nice to me and because, instinctual animal that I am, I liked him going against you, but as I've mentioned this morning already well not sure at all yet, can write pages but for now this is the one read I want to stay dark on.

I'm tired wow so bye.

Informed about what?

[Roden]

Taku doesn't really read like Enchant to me, but if they are Enchant then I might be wrong about my town read there. Scum!Enchant has a history of scum reading me as scum and almost never commits to read on me as town.

To me it feels as if you're informed and I don't see the solving and uncertainty I associate with town.

Takutai, how do you feel about Norwegian right now?

Better than day one because he's nice to me and because, instinctual animal that I am, I liked him going against you, but as I've mentioned this morning already well not sure at all yet, can write pages but for now this is the one read I want to stay dark on.

I'm tired wow so bye.

Informed about what?

Me being town for one. You're reading me like that the whole game and my feeling is you're scum knowing it instead of town discovering it. I have to re-read MikhailTal.

I never town read you at any point during Day 1. I openly said I was waiting for you to town tell and had you at null.

[Roden]

Pretty sure I said you could've been faking your town meta too. All I did was give you space to breathe because your wagon gave me the ick.

[Roden]

>Sees value in Sakura as ally
>Strongman kills her

[Roden]

There is something very uncanny about my scum reads starting to town read me and my town reads starting to scum read me

This game feels so fucking bizarre

[Roden]

UNVOTE:

I need to reset, none of this is adding up

[Roden]

Hu Tao if I was being mean, people would be telling me that I'm out of line and that I would need to take a break from the thread.
You're fine. I think you don't rly know whats going on, I think you're not really going to get me to execution range, and I think the things you are saying are "fake" and are "forced" aren't alignment indicative.

If norwee is scum it has to be with Roden.
If anyone is town and they feel lost look at Roden lying and dipping, I'm chill this game but it's pretty funny how this game is progressing.

Right now I feel you can be genuine pushing norwee here but overall keep having the niggling feeling that I'm not once turning my back on you, flavor or roden.

I'm not ready to bet the game on norwee town by the way but I'm still not going to vote him today.

???

I haven't lied or dipped. Talking to you is pointless, you don't want to listen to anything I've said and you keep warping my posts to give them meaning I never intended them to have. I'm focusing my energy on rereading the game.

[Roden]

VOTE: Taku

Pretty sure this flips town but not voting here is anti-survival at this point.

[Roden]

What the fuck is a rolenlocker

[Roden]

Was that a pun on my name??

[Roden]

Takutai

, at the moment, I don't get any Scumvibes from currently. He is abrasive and reactionary, but Scum that does not make. He wasn't on the osuka lim, so at a glance I'm keen to give him a pass for now. He's got some fight in him. I like that. One thing I do take slight issue with is that he refuses to vote Norwee today; Norwee I don't Townread as strongly as the others. I'd like to better understand his position on Norwee for now.

Taku hard pushed the Osuka wagon then jumped off at the last second.

[Roden]

What the fuck is a rolenlocker

It's me not plugging my keyboard in on mornings or slamming my fat fingers against a tablet screen idek. Tablet that post yeah.
Roden I doubt I can push flavor leaf or alisae through here today(read: I don't have the time or energy right now) and people are voting me as a vanilla so the one recourse I have is saying 'Hey everyone listen to Takutai he was right on osuka let' kill another miller.'

That's kinda lazy from me, unless all three millers are fakeclaiming I'm not doing that yet.

But I have you though, and I've adressed why my vote is where it's at to an extent.

If I see people at least not talking about your slot I'll discuss why your comments regarding osuka and my wagon were so interesting and how we can partner hunt from that on your red flip.

I'm not saying I want you out yet but I've raised the base of a case so people can approach me on that if they want to approach me on you. You know, the opposite of flavor leeaf, who says every post you make is townie and you accept that, voting me becuase you're aying in fact no you never lied about your read on me.

The Sakura kill was a mistake, or at least the way scum decided to talk about it.

Ok so what did you mean to type?

Also wtf are you talking about, you weren't right about Osuka. He flipped town. You were wrong about Sakura too.

[Roden]

Taku you're literally in another universe right now. I literally tried to stop you Sakura and Norwe from suspecting each other. And I flat out said I think scum have a Strongman so idk how the fuck you're interpreting that as me saying that they don't.

[Roden]

Taku you're literally in another universe right now. I literally tried to stop you Sakura and Norwe from suspecting each other. And I flat out said I think scum have a Strongman so idk how the fuck you're interpreting that as me saying that they don't.

Roden you can address the specific posts I've made, you can bounce my own words back to me, but for now all I have to say is people can go back to the posts I've already made.

Sakura and Norwee were voting me when you started making overtures to them, and once I moved against both you adjusted and started playing the sides againsst each other, not actively but just in a 'yes I see what you're seeing kind of way.' The Sakura/Norwee/Takutai conflict you judged as pro scum, and furthermore in the PT you misjudged just how townread Sakura actually was.

If norwee is town you already spewed him, from my viewpoint you've already spewed Random Nurse town by sheeping them on osuka. Perhpaps even Alisae and that would be really funny.

Literally what the fuck are you talking about

Nothing you said here has actually ever happened

[Roden]

Ok I actually don't care anymore, I auto launch people who try gas light me. Fuck off with that shit.

[Roden]

No. It's your fucking claim. I'm not arguing your case.

[Roden]

Ctrl + F "Norwe" in my ISO and it's almost exclusively me town reading and defending him.

Fucking bonkers to try to say I've done anything but that.

[Roden]

Yeah ok I'm just site dipping if this is just gonna be yet another game where the village idiot with an ego death tunnels me and the player list is too ambivalent to care

I'm so over this happening every fucking game

[Roden]

Ughhhhh I regret posting that

I just don't know what I'm doing wrong

I've been told I sound fake/forced/robotic as town but it's like, I'm not consciously doing that and I don't know why I come off that way or what it is that I'm specifically doing that comes off that way

I'm trying to play and I'm trying to be sincere and it's frustrating that I apparently just can't

[Roden]

Should I know who Taku is

I'm gonna lose my mind if this is Koba but I don't think the account theme fits

[Roden]

The game is raising my blood pressure

[Roden]

I only dropped my vote from Hu Tao because I thought Sheep was claiming a green check there

[Roden]

VOTE: Nurse

I think this is the best place to go in my scum reads right now without breaking anyone's hypo-claim illusions.

[Roden]

If you have informed, it makes sense to want to bus it with what's going on in the game.
Hu Tao is obviously mafia and they want Roden.
Nurse ALSO said if they were kingmaker, they would kill Roden.

Takutai is very confident in Roden being mafia.

If Roden is informed, I think Hu Tao and Nurse would definitely be open to bussing it, and Roden I think would be onboard and playing how they're supposed to be playing. I still think Roden can be town though so I think getting Nurse + Takutai is just better?

I would definitely be playing it this way and would be open to getting bussed. But uh not for that kind of scum team. If Taku seriously is Koba then they would also know this due to the SCP game a couple years back.

Btw if they are Koba then it's literally in their meta to antagonize me as scum. Like maybe that sounds weird but the two (possibly three if I'm right about an alt) times they rolled scum against me they either hard scum read me and/or went out of their way to upset me so I'd play emotionally. Otherwise, as town and out-of-game, they brag that I'm an easy read.

[Roden]

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Roden]

Bruh I'm not responding to you anymore, let alone to a post full of things you made up

[Roden]

Wait, no, Taku can't be Koba. Koba was a reviewer for a previous game that Taku joined.

[Roden]

I really hope we're not gonna just sit on our hands and discuss the chances of a fake claim here for the next five days.

[Roden]

when FL dies we know he had a guilty on Hu Tao so we can kill Hu Tao after he flips.
I don't mind at all going Nurse > Hu Tao today.
We can always get Hu Tao tomorrow pretty safely as well. Any Vigs that are restraining themselves can also shoot Hu Tao tonight if they exist.

I really don't see why we have to kill Hu Tao today

This potentially becomes disastrous if Nurse flips town and scum don't kill Leaf.

[Roden]

This game opens up completely after Takutai flip.

FLIP TAKUTAI FOR AN EASY FLOW OF A GAME

Why we would not flip Hu Tao?

[Roden]

*Why would we not

PE: I mean, I guess. That makes sense and I know I should just trust you here.

[Roden]

Actually yeah, that's the best option here.

VOTE: Taku

[Roden]

for night wifom:
if flips scum
i will guard FL
if flips town
i will guard roden

And with that i go sleep

Why guard me on a town flip?

[Roden]

That adds up with Jason suddenly town reading Norwe Day 2 after scum reading him Day 1

Idk why you checked Hu Tao instead of me/Dunn/Leaf though

[Roden]

4x Miller
1x Bodyguard
1x Cop

This doesn't feel right

[Roden]

So we kill Flavour and have Fire bodyguard Bob tonight yeah?

Assuming the Strongman was 1-shot then yeah

[Roden]

That adds up with Jason suddenly town reading Norwe Day 2 after scum reading him Day 1

Idk why you checked Hu Tao instead of me/Dunn/Leaf though

Says the person who was scumreading me all game

I mean, I'd Cop you. Idk why Bob would though when a lot of people look worse than you after yesterday.

[Roden]

Also I had a change of heart when sleeping. I think flavor is just scum who is informed if norwee is informed.

I forgot we have an Informed player, who's now conftown

Uhhhh yeah 7 town PRs doesn't sound right

[Roden]

That adds up with Jason suddenly town reading Norwe Day 2 after scum reading him Day 1

Idk why you checked Hu Tao instead of me/Dunn/Leaf though

With this gamestate an inno is more powerful then if i got guilty on you.

If flav is scum it stops his gambit by having Hu confirmed and if he is town then it stops a town fail.

That's fair. We have three conftowns going forward, with either a a fourth conftown or a guilty showing up tomorrow.

It's kinda anticlimactic after how chaotic this game was but I think this is just mech solved now?

[Roden]

This feels weird

[Roden]

Sheep claimed Cop and green checked Hu Tao

[Roden]

Only one Miller got NK'd, the other dead one got voted out

That was hypo claim though. Most of us did that. Sheep claimed miller when they replaced in, right?

Sheep insisted that they were a Cop multiple times and tried to shut down Hu Tao's wagon

[Roden]

This game is wild if Leaf and Alisae are both scum

I don't want to rush the elim so I'm gonna wait until more people show up before I vote

[Roden]

Fire with what you know now out of (below) who do you think are the 3 scum

Flavor Leaf, Dunnstral, Roden, Alisae, Random Nurse

Norw clears me and I clear hu and norw and if you were town you would know that you were town

same question to roden

I don't know, I can't think of a team that makes sense. Leaf does have a point about Bob, I think he would've forced the NK there. And voting off Taku yesterday was kinda necessary since they were too chaotic and trying to force bad reads and elims through. I have a hard time understanding what he intended to gain as scum.

Nurse seems to have been a bit of a consistent town read for everyone, I'm not seeing it but I'll trust that for now.

Dunn feels townier today than he did the past couple day phases.

I've been defending Alisae but it kinda seems like it has to be her by default? But even then I don't know who she could be partnered with since Alisae/Leaf makes no sense and I don't think both Dunn and Nurse are both scum anymore.

I do find it kinda weird that I suggested that this game was mech solved and then Alisae and Leaf also came to those conclusions.

[Roden]

Wait was that hammer?

[Roden]

His play yesterday was pretty bad and I don't think he does that bad as town.

VOTE: flavor

VOTE: Flavor leaf

VOTE: flavor

UNVOTE:

We can wait

I do not trust FL one bit right now.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf [/B]

UNVOTE:
want to think a bit.

I am having a hard time seeing Alisae/FL aligned right now.

VOTE: Alisae

VOTE: Flavor

surface ass players

i'm town.

[Roden]

I think it's currently E-2

[Roden]

No you're right, E-1

[Roden]

Fire with what you know now out of (below) who do you think are the 3 scum

Flavor Leaf, Dunnstral, Roden, Alisae, Random Nurse

Norw clears me and I clear hu and norw and if you were town you would know that you were town

same question to roden

I don't know, I can't think of a team that makes sense. Leaf does have a point about Bob, I think he would've forced the NK there. And voting off Taku yesterday was kinda necessary since they were too chaotic and trying to force bad reads and elims through. I have a hard time understanding what he intended to gain as scum.

Nurse seems to have been a bit of a consistent town read for everyone, I'm not seeing it but I'll trust that for now.

Dunn feels townier today than he did the past couple day phases.

I've been defending Alisae but it kinda seems like it has to be her by default? But even then I don't know who she could be partnered with since Alisae/Leaf makes no sense and I don't think both Dunn and Nurse are both scum anymore.

I do find it kinda weird that I suggested that this game was mech solved and then Alisae and Leaf also came to those conclusions.

In that scenario where Dunn/Nurse have 1 scum, and you are town, it has to be Firebringer based on POE.

I don't think Fire can be scum here.

Also I forgot that Alisae's Miller claim looked really good...wtf

[Roden]

Jason was right, the only way this set up makes sense is if scum were informed and the set up isn't what we think it is

[Roden]

If we rule Fire out and Leaf flips town then I don't think it matters what happens next? Bob can Cop me tonight, get a green check, and the other remaining three are confirmed as the scum team.

[Roden]

Game balance feels fucked if the Strongman has two shots

[Roden]

The one time I played a Large Normal, the scum team's Strongman was only 1-shot AND town had a Strongman Finder. Making it stronger in a 13p with tons of town negative-utility doesn't sound right.

[Roden]

Like that sounds like an easy way to make the Bodyguard claim look like a scum claim and basically just even more negative utility since we'll be discouraged from trying to solve the slot

[Roden]

Y'all if you think I'm scum then vote me out today, I don't want to fight in a potential ELO. I am historically terrible in ELO as town.

[Roden]

VOTE: Alisae

[Roden]

viewtopic.php?t=88015

This was the last 4-scum 13p Mini Normal I saw, the queue informed everyone ahead of time about the number of scum and still gave town much more power than what we're seeing here.

[Roden]

Yeah that game was kind of a mess, for multiple reasons.