Open 879: Fire and More Fire [game over]

[sheepsaysmeep]

fire I already iso'd yesterday trying to do homework thing, im just going to guess he's town ;lsakjdf and oh well

[camelCasedSnivy]

hmmm

I like rat's case on pooky enough to think that pooky's self might be a bluff

[sheepsaysmeep]

umlaut iso is.. ridiculously meh

like I like it more than I did before. but I struggle maybe to bring myself to

townread

it.

for example throughout the game I disliked his push on me because I thought it was too weak but now I sort of see a bunch of little moments building up to it

-probably not w/w with drew for joining the drew wagon d1

one thing I think is wolfy is that at the start of the game he says "I basically never reach really confident wolfreads anymore" but the way he pushes me seems like he's possibly over confident like keep saying "can we do sheep sheep is still scum"

-he also joins merlyn wagon which maybe isnt w/w with merlyn???? I want to reread both the drew and merlyn flash wagons sometime
yeah this isnt w/w with merlyn I think

pooky iso I wont reread. I think my first instinct was generally that the pop in and tunnel like that is wolfy. but I think pooky seems enough like a player to do it as town + the context he provided where he's scuccessfully does it in past datisi games turns me into thinking it's town indicative ?????


I guess overall I ever slightly lean town on this slot is my gut instinct

[sheepsaysmeep]

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this is a game where merlyn was mafia

I think in that game merlyn proved herself beyond capable of the things that I liked in this game, like her readlist, so im probably fine just killing her here

I also skimmed a bunch of umlaut games, I think this looks slightly more like his towngame but it would be kinda hard to explain this isnt a very intricate take

[sheepsaysmeep]

like I guess umlaut scum is good at making towny posts in

response

to stuff which seems nice and detailed

but umlaut town has more visible natural progressions and thought processes across time

which I see in this game

meh idk

[sheepsaysmeep]

I do not think umlaut is paired with ausuka either

[sheepsaysmeep]

pooky/invis is actually what looks most like a team in terms of interactions but I townread both slots independently

and it's like, they were in ooookkkkkk positions to where pooky maybe doesnt need to do that gambity entrance

idk

maybe it's justified because people didnt like umlaut

[Invisibility]

I struggle more to find non w/w connections in this iso than I did in other ones. however he doesnt really feel w/w with merlyn?? he suddenly flips into scumreading merlyn d2 at the same time that merlyn became a popular wagon option

fair point

[sheepsaysmeep]

Snivy/Merlyn extremely possible depending how impactful 1453 was

[sheepsaysmeep]

vote count 1.17

with 15 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-06-28 17:00:00).

yeet

Bingle [4]:

Firebringer, The Bulge, osuka, Meuh

sheepsaysmeep [2]:

Radical Rat, Umlaut

Firebringer [2]:

Donempire, Black

Skygazer [2]:

Ausuka, sheepsaysmeep

Merlyn [1]:

Invisibility

Meuh [1]:

Bingle

Ausuka [1]:

Doctor Drew

Donempire [1]:

Merlyn

not voting [1]:

Skygazer

mod notes

this is a mod note.

flavour

Tbh after reading drew's iso again i could maybe compromise there

He has towny vibes but his actual reads kind of suck and feel pretty stagnant. I guess I'm biased on me but his osuka read is also bad and static

pedit: I always copy people's homework

even tho drew had no votes yet, I think this rly close to the end of d1 is not w/w between ausuka and drew

VOTE: drew I would do this lol

VOTE: drew

I STAND WITH SHEEP

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOO VOTE: Drew this is the wagon that'll work trust trust

Alright, I'll call the bluff.

VOTE: Drew

Sure, as long as we actually do it. I overall like this wagon better anyway.

VOTE: Drew

Drew, if you flip green I'll owe you a glass of Lagavulin.

sheep: town
ausuka: not w/w with drew
RR: flipped town
Meuh: flipped not drew's partner
Umlaut: NOT w/w with drew

then, fire comes in, saves drew and flips it onto black. I think if drew has a partner, it has to be invis or fire. but fire seems really unlikely based on how he has been pushing drew last couple days? maybe something to re-look at

[sheepsaysmeep]

im actually feeling more strongly about
VOTE: Meryln than ausuka but i think they are the team now.

My heart is in this now

it seems like the premise of firebringer's merlyn vote is 90% that she seems teamed with ausuka

naah she is scum regardless
go through her iso its empty contributions and not scum hunting
and she looks like defending/calling ausuka town in unnatural way that is either trying to push her into town group for partner or white knighting i guess. I lean more in the former than latter

im actually feeling more strongly about
VOTE: Meryln than ausuka but i think they are the team now.

My heart is in this now

George.....fucking......Bailey

VOTE: Merlyn

Looking through merlyn's iso again there is sort of a lack of organic reads progression which I associate with scum

Idk how to feel about umlauts recent posting because on a gut level it did feel kinda towny but I'm not sure how difficult it is for mafia to actually fake.

VOTE: Merlyn

I guess I will join this sorry frog friend

vote count 2.05

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-07-08 15:30:00).

yeet

Merlyn [3]:

Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Ausuka

Umlaut [2]:

Invisibility, sheepsaysmeep

Firebringer [2]:

Donempire

, Umlaut

osuka [1]:

Bingle

Bingle [1]:

osuka

Doctor Drew [1]:

Radical Rat

not voting [1]:

Merlyn

Oh derp, yeah why would scum!Firebringer IC hunt and then shoot anyone but Don last night. I guess FB pretty much clear then.

VOTE: Merlyn

I could do this, I've been sort of gambler's-fallacying myself here since Merlyn was scum in our last/first game together but that's not actually a good reason not to vote her. Looking back at her d1 I am seeing a really likable and reasonable tone combined with not much actual contribution or hard reads. Not as convinced as FB but it's a good wagon.

Umlaut is not w/w with merlyn.

ausuka continues to post after merlyn rose to 4 votes.... I think if she was with merlyn she would realize she needs to force a way to get off this wagon

Good god someone unvote merlyn please.

UNVOTE:

then, I make my point about how Merlyn's self-defense seems not like a wolf, and everything disbands.

vote count 2.07

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-07-08 15:30:00).

yeet

Merlyn [3]:

Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Invisibility

Doctor Drew [3]:

Radical Rat, Bingle, sheepsaysmeep

Ausuka [2]:

Donempire

, osuka

Firebringer [1]:

Merlyn

not voting [2]:

Ausuka, Umlaut

And i don't really think drew is scum tbh. I mean I probably would have taken drew over black at the time so it doesn't matter that much for this specifically.

I think osuka and invisibility are good eliminations for today - I don't really want drew and I'm cooling on merlyn.

if ausuka/merlyn I dont think ausuka defends drew right after the above votecount...

VOTE: osuka

You are back in the Whiskey Pocket.

Let's get it!

VOTE: Osuka

(Also, I definitely indulged a bit too much Osuka.....I feel you brother lol)

this is drew's first post after the vote on merlyn

ok and by now the merlyn wagon is fully gone.

who is Merlyn's partner??? maybe it is drew and he just placed a risky vote on merlyn after firebringer voted her? maybe invis?? I no longer think ausuka-snivy slot is paired with her

[sheepsaysmeep]

Invisibility/umlaut - 141 can be a team, i think scum are likely to do early kind-of-distancing stuff. Could the stuff about invis asking bella why she suspects invis and umlaut be a scumteam? Eh maybe, i just had a game where scum literally claimed their partner on page 1 so. 1293 is arguably not a scumteam but if i'm an invisibility/umlaut scumteam in this situation i think 'fuck it we bus' is a pretty reasonable approach to take and hope people realise umlaut has no partners? Overall, it is possible this scumteam exists but there's not that much compelling evidence for it

...

drew/merlyn - "Merlyn, I hope you are here.....you voted me but really haven't mentioned me as of late." this can be a scumteam line. The merlyn push on drew also seems pretty scum-team-able since the drew pushing didn't really happen in the business end of d1. Seems pretty dubious of merlyn d1 but doesn't vote her during the whole WAGON MERLYN moment. Dctively goes out of his way to push her d2 and merlyn is also like "Drew is sooooo sus guys" but meh again if you're drew and merlyn I can kind of see that approach as a sort of hail mary. This is another 'can be the team' moment

ausuka finds possible two teams I find most possible rn

[sheepsaysmeep]

invis/pooky

drew/merlyn

merlyn/invis seems fine and drew/invis seems fine

???????? do I kill invis???

if we have two lims left to hit one mafia, invis + one of drew or merlyn wins the game?

[sheepsaysmeep]

either that or I need to reevaluate fuckin firebringer but yeah thats post is the summary of all this

let me double check everything I said. why isnt ausuka in any teams

[sheepsaysmeep]

It makes sense for you not to remember but Meuh coming in with "yeah what" implies she doesn't remember either and I'm not sure why she would expect to remember something like that? It just reads as defensive

I was also in that game, and luckily enough I was ISOing Ausuka there when making the cyclical post to make sure I hadn't imagined Ausuka's 1v1 tendency and Ausuka's spiciest early 1v1 in that game was with... Skygazer, which doesn't really click with the idea of Skygazer WKing her

How did you know what game Skygazer was referring to?

Inference

Meuh, why would you infer that Sky is referring to the game you three were in together if she wasn't white knighting her in that game?

Because
1. I had already brought up this game multiple times so referencing it would make more sense than referring to another game
2. Scum Skygazer/town Ausuka is a specific enough scenario that it narrows down the possibility of it being a different game a lot
3. Skygazer was responding to me, so it'd make sense for him to refer to that game and to explicitly state if he wasn't
4. Pretty sure Skygazer only recently returned to the site and as such wouldn't have an extensive pool of recent games to have WKed Ausuka in
5. 507 very heavily implies that there isn't another game that I'm not aware of

I can't decide if this feels like too much explaining or not

I don't like Merlyn testing the waters here

Looking at the lead wagons, I'd rather lim Bingle than sheep. I guess. A Sheep lim would give so little info. But I hate lims that the best reason is 'we'll get a lot of info when you die!'

also don't like Merlyn seemingly setting herself up to vote

I also agree with 832 and 860
VOTE: Merlyn
Merlyn flashwagon can we do it?

Just saying what I thought. The explanation makes sense, but it also seems a bit of an overexplanation. Here's a question for you, why would I need to 'test the waters' instead of just...asking others what they thought?

if you just went and asked you'd be expressing interest. The point can be used as ammo or just dropped depending on how stuff regarding Meuh goes. Your post struck me as overcautious

Eh? The deadline is looming

what pinged me mostly was that it felt all wishy washy but I guess I am being a hypocrite here so whatever

I guess invis is not w/w with merlyn

he also just seems kinda towny again...

this is silly

VOTE: Drew

vote count 3.06

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2023-07-18 14:00:00).

yeet

Doctor Drew [3]:

Firebringer, Merlyn, Invisibility

Bingle [3]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, sheepsaysmeep, Ausuka

PookyTheMagicalBear [2]:

Bingle, Doctor Drew

sheepsaysmeep [1]:

Radical Rat

not voting [0]:

I am not really feeling the drew team

vote count 2.03

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-07-08 15:30:00).

yeet

Umlaut [3]:

Invisibility, sheepsaysmeep, Ausuka

Bingle [2]:

osuka, Umlaut

osuka [2]:

Bingle, Doctor Drew

Firebringer [1]:

Donempire

sheepsaysmeep [1]:

Radical Rat

not voting [2]:

Merlyn, Firebringer

I dont love the umlaut team... 5 minutes ago I thought invis is too possible-partners with everyone but now I think he's too unpartnered with everyone, he's pushed the whole poe

[sheepsaysmeep]

I guess I just end up with fuckin drew/merlyn which I was already guessing at start of day lol. thats messed up

maaaaaaaaaaybe ausuka/umlaut-pooky ehhhh but I feel like umlaut pushed ausuka kinda hard d1

he went "look through ausuka iso. there's nothing towny there. Vote: Ausuka" and then genuinely tried to convince people

[sheepsaysmeep]

final answer Merlyn-drew, slightly more comfortable limming merlyn today out of the 2 but I really dont think it matters much

[sheepsaysmeep]

if putting in high effort still does not win me a nightkill then there is no hope for me

[Firebringer]

don't have a lot of time these days
two things want to point out

Pooky is silly
and I still think drew is probably right elimination due to the fact him and meryln quickly hopped at same time to push bingle over the edge yesterday which i think indicates they are the time. And radical rat who would have voted drew is dead. Last part might work against me as could be clear framing but i believe drew would do it.

[Doctor Drew]

I applaud the effort sheep, if I were scum then I promise I would NK you lol.

I definitely am ok with Merlyn votes, I was like 'oh so Bingle is town as well, great' after her vote.

I do think Pooky could pull this gambit as scum, and I still didn't like Umlaut, so I still don't mind that vote.

Fuck it vote me as well maybe, I don't see how scum can navigate this game and actually win anyways, so eliminate the Drew problem now I guess lol.

Pre Edit: Fire, Rat was suspicious of Sheep as well, and I think someone pointed out, suspicious of Umlaut/Pooky as well. I feel it is a frame job.

[Invisibility]

I feel it is a frame job.

yeah it's very possible lol
I do think you and Merlyn's slots are prolly the least townie anyways
VOTE: Merlyn

[camelCasedSnivy]

both pooky and drew pulled the sacrifice myself card so I think it could be one of them? conveniently mafia are lovers so we could just aim elsewhere with the one miscondemn

[Invisibility]

both pooky and drew pulled the sacrifice myself card so I think it could be one of them? conveniently mafia are lovers so we could just aim elsewhere with the one miscondemn

why would that necessarily make it one of them?

[camelCasedSnivy]

both pooky and drew pulled the sacrifice myself card so I think it could be one of them? conveniently mafia are lovers so we could just aim elsewhere with the one miscondemn

why would that necessarily make it one of them?

both of them appear to be doing it for towncred so I think it

should

be at least one of the two

[Invisibility]

uyeah I guess though Pooky's has more actualness to it