In post 10, Hu Tao wrote:Hi.
Where's your vote?In post 15, Hu Tao wrote: Zoobooks are so cute
In post 10, Hu Tao wrote:Hi.
Where's your vote?In post 15, Hu Tao wrote: Zoobooks are so cute
I did not notice.In post 23, Thomith wrote:Why did you ask Hu Tao where their vote was but not gob, who also didn't vote?In post 18, Dunnstral wrote:In post 10, Hu Tao wrote:Hi.Where's your vote?In post 15, Hu Tao wrote: Zoobooks are so cute
I wouldn't say I'm "so focused" on you.In post 30, Hu Tao wrote:Why so focused on me then? Something in particular that I did?In post 26, Dunnstral wrote:I did not notice.In post 23, Thomith wrote:Why did you ask Hu Tao where their vote was but not gob, who also didn't vote?In post 18, Dunnstral wrote:In post 10, Hu Tao wrote:Hi.Where's your vote?In post 15, Hu Tao wrote: Zoobooks are so cute
This is dubious given many people who have posted have simply placed an rvs voteIn post 34, gob wrote: I can just tell by the vibe that MAX one mafia has posted. some of the non-posters so far are mafia for usre.
I occasionally do it. Just last game we were in together when beeboy replaced out I went and looked up their meta for that. Perhaps you don't see that the same way but I did look at their completed games, alignment in those games, and their behaviors; I'd call that meta research.In post 84, Bingle wrote:Serious question, Dunn. How often do you actually do meta research?In post 20, Dunnstral wrote: My meta research on Hu Tao indicates they usually (always?) open with a greeting and no rvs vote, across both alignments
In post 109, Flavor Leaf wrote: I won a scum game with Gob recently.
This is similar.
They’re purposeful as scum, yet fluffy and seemingly doing nothing.
They’re doing a very similar thing here.
Does this read work when we're only on the first few pages of the game?In post 110, Flavor Leaf wrote: So basically, I’m countering your meta read with my meta read.
Your read is valid, but for now, I’m happy pushing Gob.
I am noting your meta defense, though. I could be wrong.
Sheeping Ssbm_KyoukoIn post 265, Thomith wrote:I'm just asking the reason for a naked vote.
This is scummy imoIn post 331, Bingle wrote:I don’t think this is a post scum roden makes about town gob. It could 100% be a post scum roden makes about scum gob, though, and actually looks worse association wise than anything gob may have been trying to do.In post 327, Roden wrote: My problem at this point is that if you're scum, this looks like you're trying to fake distance yourself from me. Your scum reads reek of "rule of 3" and your callousness towards me feels out of place yet intentional.
Potentially towny postIn post 355, Hu Tao wrote: Ummmm. I'm not sure what to think here
It was pointed out that they may have been giving reads too easily. I decided I do not townread them and would be fine voting there.In post 413, SirCakez wrote: Can Kyouko and Dunn explain the AnimatedWiz votes bc I am possibly amenable to that wagon too but I need to here why u guys went there
Fl does the same thing every game where they push someone and then once it gains traction turns around and calls that person town. That's why I had zero desire to push Gob knowing that when FL got off the wagon would inevitably collapse.In post 624, Thomith wrote:What do you think of the gob wagon?In post 576, Dunnstral wrote:It was pointed out that they may have been giving reads too easily. I decided I do not townread them and would be fine voting there.In post 413, SirCakez wrote: Can Kyouko and Dunn explain the AnimatedWiz votes bc I am possibly amenable to that wagon too but I need to here why u guys went there
I hammered because given what Roden pointed out about Gob's play, I did not believe the claim. I did not want people to unvote, revealing themselves as not a doctor to the mafia; or have to try to push it through because their own role conflicted with what Gob claimed.In post 835, Flavor Leaf wrote: Dunnstral hammering the way they did looks like scum locking in the hammer before people would get PR scared.
For Flavor Leaf I don't like the way they pushed yesterday and now today. For AnimatedWiz I get the sense that they are playing back and trying to blend in while asking others their thoughts while occasionally trying to steer things towards an elimination on people pushing them.In post 853, Hu Tao wrote: How come?
Well, no, that's your angle.In post 878, AnimatedWiz wrote: Dunn isn’t very convincing to me because the reasons he gives are very surface-level, and I do think he’s trying to get rid of me because I’m scumreading him.
Why?In post 922, Celebloki wrote: I can kinda see scum!Dunn wanting to NK Kyouko.
There is no reason for me to kill kyouko just because their read on another player switched.In post 933, Thomith wrote:Why not?In post 928, Dunnstral wrote: I do not think that is good logic.
Sure, but anybody would have wanted to kill her then.In post 949, Flavor Leaf wrote: Not like she wasn’t obv town though right
If anybody is trying to frame here, Celebloki is the one who brought up the kill and pointed at people, not I.In post 951, AnimatedWiz wrote: Wait, I think I understand what you’re saying—that the play benefits me so much that you think I wouldn’t actually do it, and that someone (Dunn) is probably framing me?
Or am I holding the idiot ball again? :oops:
Celeboki.In post 965, Flavor Leaf wrote: @Dunnstral - say you somehow found out that Wiz and I were both conf town, who's scum for you?
I didn't include Naerys in my list because when reading her iso I found her to be more aggressive which did not fit with what I was saying. She has a low post count but it is not a large gap from her day 1 play and the posts she does have don't feel like trying to do nothing.In post 1059, Celebloki wrote: You're making a lot of sense. I can be behind moving off you onto RC or Cakez. I'm still inclined on giving Hu a pass for today because she plays like this as town anyway.
I'm actually more interested in flip flopping on Naerys. I've also been giving her a pass because I felt like she normally also plays in the background like this, but her last post pinged me. She's responding to my hyperbolic
Spoiler:
My criticism in the above was mostly aimed at posts like she makes:
In post 937, Naerys wrote: How about slowing down a bit? E-2 when we have like 8 days left?
Comes in and criticizes wagons without adding anything, says to slow down, then disappears again. I've been in too many games recently where the town lukewarmly plods along saying things like this, then we get to deadline and everyone's panicking pushing claims before settling on a mislim.
In post 1036, Naerys wrote: We have over 6 days left and Cele whimpers something about panic wagoning. Kindly stop trying to make ppl panic, when there is plenty of time left and we have solid targets of suspiction. It feels kinda scummy
Funnily enough she comes into to say the thing I'm criticizing her about. I wasn't panic wagoning in my post, I was saying people like her need to get more active and not lead us into a panic wagon at deadline. Why does everyone seem to want to coast through the Day phase saying to slow down, but then never actually come in and advance anything.
VOTE: Naerys
You mostly respond to suspicion on yourself or pop in to say you're "still fine" with your vote:In post 1064, Hu Tao wrote:How am I in the background?In post 1056, Dunnstral wrote: People playing in the background this day phase: AnimatedWiz, Hu Tao, RCEnigma, SirCakez, Thomith
Most of your posts today have been asking other players questions without it being clear what you are getting from it, and lazily continuing your push on me.In post 1111, Thomith wrote:I dont feel like I'm playing in the background. Ik less active today for sure, but that's because I've been busy. I feel like when I have been contributing I have been putting myself out there, rather than only chiming in to defend myself or the like.In post 1056, Dunnstral wrote: People playing in the background this day phase: AnimatedWiz, Hu Tao, RCEnigma, SirCakez, Thomith
Is there anything specific you think I'm doing to "fade into the background" that I can respond to/understand why you think that?
I voted cele because of the random fluff posting midway through the day that pinged me, and haven't seen a reason to unvote since.In post 1058, Dunnstral wrote: You are going off the assumption that mafia are scrambling to try to save me and piling onto you. I'm not mafia so likely mafia are instead sitting back doing nothing, if you are town. I find Thomith's current position suspect, they apparently want to vote me out but are voting for you instead. AnimatedWiz's iso is 85% about me and 10% defending themself. I mean look at this:Spoiler:
Hu Tao pops in every so often to say we should eliminate someone but gives no reasoning and then makes a filler post and leaves, and then 24 hours later comes back in and says we should eliminate the same person again with no new reasoning. SirCakez seems to be busy but is angling for you in their latest post - it's a bit of a mystery what they think about me. RCEnigma's last post is saying we need votes for pressure and they're the only player not voting. They have offered some talk of the wagon but not much else, including not giving a clear stance - they just call it 'interesting'.
I am also aware that I may be tunelled on you, so am exploring other ideas.
What is wrong with the claim of no result? Is that not when you get when you are blocked?In post 1158, Roden wrote:This is a Simple set up, so only Roleblocker and Jailkeeper could have messed with his action. The results he claimed don't match up with the wiki though because he should've been blatantly told that his action failed.In post 1151, Thomith wrote:I'm not too sure it makes sense to flip you just because of setup spec of Mafia potentially hand a role blocker that saw your soft, because I dont actually think it was that obvious personally. It's a potential, but there are other things that could explain it instead.In post 1145, Celebloki wrote: Why would I say I got a No Result on kyouko if I was lying about my claim though. I could just as easily say I got VT on her. I honestly didn't feel like my crumb was very well hidden and I regretted crumbing it. My best guess is scum have a roleblocker and saw my crumb and used it on me. Might as well flip me, they'll just keep role blocking me so I get no information.
I'd rather keep celeb around for now I think, to see what happens in future nights?
OK you are right this doesn't line up with the wiki.In post 1170, Roden wrote:Neap specifically does not get a No Result PM, they get told that their action failed. I don't think this is a mod error either, considering both Gamma and DE have been keeping an active eye on the game.In post 1165, Thomith wrote:Isn't a No Result him being told his action failed though?In post 1158, Roden wrote:This is a Simple set up, so only Roleblocker and Jailkeeper could have messed with his action. The results he claimed don't match up with the wiki though because he should've been blatantly told that his action failed.In post 1151, Thomith wrote:I'm not too sure it makes sense to flip you just because of setup spec of Mafia potentially hand a role blocker that saw your soft, because I dont actually think it was that obvious personally. It's a potential, but there are other things that could explain it instead.In post 1145, Celebloki wrote: Why would I say I got a No Result on kyouko if I was lying about my claim though. I could just as easily say I got VT on her. I honestly didn't feel like my crumb was very well hidden and I regretted crumbing it. My best guess is scum have a roleblocker and saw my crumb and used it on me. Might as well flip me, they'll just keep role blocking me so I get no information.
I'd rather keep celeb around for now I think, to see what happens in future nights?
It says how it behaves in normal versions on the Neapolitan page.In post 1190, Thomith wrote:Where does it say that Simple Games have to clarify that an action failed?In post 1187, Flavor Leaf wrote:Yeah, this might actually be a technical scum slip by Celebloki too.In post 1183, Roden wrote:In post 1181, Dunnstral wrote:What is wrong with the claim of no result? Is that not when you get when you are blocked?In post 1158, Roden wrote:This is a Simple set up, so only Roleblocker and Jailkeeper could have messed with his action. The results he claimed don't match up with the wiki though because he should've been blatantly told that his action failed.In post 1151, Thomith wrote:I'm not too sure it makes sense to flip you just because of setup spec of Mafia potentially hand a role blocker that saw your soft, because I dont actually think it was that obvious personally. It's a potential, but there are other things that could explain it instead.In post 1145, Celebloki wrote: Why would I say I got a No Result on kyouko if I was lying about my claim though. I could just as easily say I got VT on her. I honestly didn't feel like my crumb was very well hidden and I regretted crumbing it. My best guess is scum have a roleblocker and saw my crumb and used it on me. Might as well flip me, they'll just keep role blocking me so I get no information.
I'd rather keep celeb around for now I think, to see what happens in future nights?In post 1128, Roden wrote:In post 1117, Celebloki wrote: I always tell myself when I roll PRs, I'm gonna refuse to claim them but I never do. I'm just gonna full claim it and my target.
I'm a Town Neapolitan. My N1 was a waste because I targeted Kyouko. Interestingly I got a 'No Result' response. I assume because she died.A Vanilla Townie will return a result of "target is a Vanilla Townie"; other players will give a result of "target is not a Vanilla Townie". If the action fails (e.g. due to a roleblocker), the result will be "Your action failed, and you did not receive a result".
So I should know this, but it’s still new with these tags, Simple labeled games DO NOT give No Result to a roleblocked.
This is specifically different in Simple games is what’s being said?
Every other queue it would have been ‘No Result’
No, in any normal queue it should be "Your action failed, and you did not receive a result"... is what the Neapolitan and Roleblocker pages say under "Normal version". Confusion stems from it also saying the role is allowed in simple normal games, but the rules are meant to be for all normal games where they are allowed.In post 1187, Flavor Leaf wrote: This is specifically different in Simple games is what’s being said?
Every other queue it would have been ‘No Result’
I think that Bingle is saying that if you are a town rolecop, this kind of setup "gotcha" is unlikely to be used in a simple game. Specifically Celebloki being a mafia-aligned Neapolitan when there are simpler roles, such as Vanilla Cop, that mafia could have.In post 1347, AnimatedWiz wrote: Notably, there is technically a possibility of a Scum Neapolitan—I don’t think it’s likely, but it does kind of confirm someone as a town PR if they don’t receive a Vanilla Townie result on someone. Bit wonky, though.
In which case role copping them would be a great use of your role.In post 1352, AnimatedWiz wrote: And again, there’s the possibility that Celebloki is just lying about his role.