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[Enchant]

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Not Voting (10):

Upwards, Hu Tao, Naerys, Claptastik, lucca261, Laplacian, Prince of Paterson, Gypyx,

MargotRosa

, DeltaWave, Enchant

Sus

[Enchant]

My opinion is pretty clear.

VOTE: Laplacian

[Enchant]

My opinion is pretty clear.

VOTE: Laplacian

Great first impression, especially when you replaced into a slot that HuDuzn had suspicions of. (127, 142)

I shall accept your compliments, now selfvote.

[Enchant]

As with my might power, i bless Hu Tao with conftown status.

HEAL: Hu Tao

[Enchant]

Don't question my votes, and won't i question yours.

May we speak in agreement in future.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Enchant

Gods smite you, mortal.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Enchant

Gods smite you, mortal.

Hey enchant my buddy my friend my big pal what's your opinion of Upward / Clap ?

May Clap pass in obscurity.

Remembered by no one, but crows.

[Enchant]

Silence.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Mucho Man

I smell cowardice behind boast.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Mucho Man

I smell cowardice behind boast.

Do you really think today is the day we do such a wagon?

I shall no pay attention. Tides will change, as time goes down. Maybe until dusk.

VOTE: Mucho Man

I smell cowardice behind boast.

The MUCHO MAN does not COWER. The MUCHO MAN emanates PASSION and GREATNESS, and STOPS the tiny mafia in their tracks

If not boast, you shall vote me back. Not retreating humbly in no-vote.

Unvoting is bad expression of opinions. And weak.

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VOTE: Mucho Man

I smell cowardice behind boast.

Do you really think today is the day we do such a wagon?

I shall no pay attention. Tides will change, as time goes down. Maybe until dusk.

VOTE: Mucho Man

I smell cowardice behind boast.

The MUCHO MAN does not COWER. The MUCHO MAN emanates PASSION and GREATNESS, and STOPS the tiny mafia in their tracks

If not boast, you shall vote me back. Not retreating humbly in no-vote.

Unvoting is bad expression of opinions. And weak.

Tying yourself to a vote without thinking about it is a CHAIN that will SHACKLE your mind and prevent you from seeing the ring clearly

It was never about clear mind, it's about clear heart and bravery.

Mafia can have clear mind, never heart. Never brave.

[Enchant]

My will and way to goal are unchanged.

[Enchant]

Pointing deadly weapon at someone.

Hoping no one will trigger it.

What a laughable way to fail.

[Enchant]

Still foolish.

As people say, don't point gun at someone, who you don't want to die.

This rule written with bloody inks.

[Enchant]

You only lose when you give up.

[Enchant]

Enchant seems like they are goofing around or something/not playing to their wincon.

How Daring you.

Accuse me of that. I am saving my mind. If i vote evildoer, my mission is complete. You should do so too.

[Enchant]

You only lose when you give up.

Common misconception, you also lose when you lose

There's letters in these words.

[Enchant]

Finally, worthy opponent.

[Enchant]

I am side of good.

I just don't care to lick your shoes, as i am nor your servant. You also shouldn't lick my shoes, but i won't stop you.

[Enchant]

I want to give him a chance to stop acting and start playing

Asking space, and space delivered: Even if i stop, it won't change future.

My wisdom is shared, you know my suspects. You just know you don't want me to be here, and there's nothing helping that. Otherwise, someone would try to ask for explanations of suspicions.

Truthfully, your cope is that by blaming my way of game, you feel less guilty for mistakes. Which is not case. You still make yourself more likely to lose.

Maybe problem in you?


If you need example, as i declared Hu Tao conftown, vegehead asked meaning of that, then declared as someone else answered first, it makes me villain.

That's nonsense and i refuse to approach those who judge me unfairly, without justice and then claim it's my guilt.


So be it.

Try to defeat me, mortals.

[Enchant]

And now you argue because of him you won’t answer my question?

What is your question?

[Enchant]

And now you argue because of him you won’t answer my question?

What is your question?

What do you make of 1031?

Meta is unreliable. But yes, these my previous games.

[Enchant]

For people that mad about quickhammers, you are surely start making... Interesting arguments.

[Enchant]

No creature is one-dimensional.

No one will act same twice.

[Enchant]

^Dispose of this next^


I know you won't, but i will value effort.

[Enchant]

No creature is one-dimensional.

No one will act same twice.

Ugh, I started liking your posting the last couple posts, then you drop this platitude. Heraclitus beat you too it by a good 2000 years.

Got anything relevant? Explanation for either vote? Why you think I'm so sus? A claim? Cute animated gif?

I am not interested in entertaining you, as you just mock me and assume me as evil.

Even if you are not evildoer, it's waste of time, as you proven to be stubborn.

[Enchant]

No creature is one-dimensional.

No one will act same twice.

Ugh, I started liking your posting the last couple posts, then you drop this platitude. Heraclitus beat you too it by a good 2000 years.

Got anything relevant? Explanation for either vote? Why you think I'm so sus? A claim? Cute animated gif?

I am not interested in entertaining you, as you just mock me and assume me as evil.

Even if you are not evildoer, it's waste of time, as you proven to be stubborn.

I've just softened on Deltawave over the last several pages. You haven't given me, or anyone else, anything to try to change opinions. Even if you think I'm impossibly stubborn, there's 8 other people for you to try to convince and you just yeet straight over the opening I tried to give you.

I have no reason to appeal, considering first thing you do with person who try to approach and talk with me is frame them as my teammate.

These people are plainly scared to do anything instead of being sheeps. Or they don't care. Blatantly, evildoers also realise this and just agree to police me, blending with crowd.
I save my time, only player i really care to influence are Naerys and Hu Tao.


You are bad shepherd, and i never follow you.

[Enchant]

Enchant is Alianna

I am Enchant.

Enchant is Enchant.


Nothing else exist.

[Enchant]

I thought Hu Tao´s entry was towny but as the game progressed, i dont like her dynamics with Gamma at all.
Also dont like Gamma´s reasoning for switching vote on Claptastik. Overall i get a feeling like Gamma is trying to position herself as town, and is worried that she doesnt look towny enough.
I think Gamma+Hu Tao are buddies.
VOTE: Gamma

This was a scummy momentum shifting vote right after Upwards went to Gamma.

I save your time, Naerys claimed vigilante shot on mafia.

[Enchant]

imma claim rn for some WIFOM.

I am a PR.

I am dissapointed in you.

[Enchant]

And now you argue because of him you won’t answer my question?

What is your question?

What do you make of 1031?

Meta is unreliable. But yes, these my previous games.

Now that’s a start at least. But in what way unreliable? Do you acknowledge a difference between your Town and Scum gameplay in there and argue that it can’t be used for reference in future games, or is your argument that there’s no meaningful difference to begin with?

There's Town games which can be compared with Mafia ones. Ultimately, only thing are changed is my starting knowledge.

If i knew about difference, i will eliminate it or defy it.

[Enchant]

at least Naerys is outed.

Not happy with it as well.

[Enchant]

at least Naerys is outed.

Not happy with it as well.

then look past the surface

because they're able to make it through as a conf town to the next day because of their claim

Not were in danger at first place.


Silence is Gold. Don't forget it.

[Enchant]

at least Naerys is outed.

Not happy with it as well.

then look past the surface

because they're able to make it through as a conf town to the next day because of their claim

Not were in danger at first place.


Silence is Gold. Don't forget it.

yeah, fool's gold.

Who are fool, who are sage, will be sorted with graves.

[Enchant]

How petty.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Laplacian

[Enchant]

And now you argue because of him you won’t answer my question?

What is your question?

What do you make of 1031?

Meta is unreliable. But yes, these my previous games.

Now that’s a start at least. But in what way unreliable? Do you acknowledge a difference between your Town and Scum gameplay in there and argue that it can’t be used for reference in future games, or is your argument that there’s no meaningful difference to begin with?

There's Town games which can be compared with Mafia ones. Ultimately, only thing are changed is my starting knowledge.

If i knew about difference, i will eliminate it or defy it.

So the latter, yes?

There's no denial that i may act differently. But if i noticed it, i would imitate it.

I don't know the answers.

[Enchant]

Let both live

[Enchant]

My opinion unchanged. Let both live.

[Enchant]

Town:
Naerys - Conftown
Enchant - Enchant

One evildoer:
Comical - Doc Claim
Laplacian - Doc Claim

One Evildoer:
Upwards
Hu Tao
lucca261
Prince of Paterson
Gypyx
DeltaWave



Comical is correct that two Doctors are impossible.
But leaving both alive keeps Naerys alive. Also mafia can't attack other Doctor without being outed. So they shred POE for us or give us information.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Delta

[Enchant]

VOTE: Enchant

Will be accused tomorrow anyway, can as well get benefit from it.

[Enchant]

I am mafia, i give up.

[Enchant]

pedit : well, then we'll vote for you tommrow but not today UwU

haha stupid town hahahahaha

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[Enchant]

He's scum. He acts like this as scum.

Yes gg

[Enchant]

Hammer and my teammate in this 1vs1 will concede totally

[Enchant]

hahahaha no one will believe you hu tao hahahaha

[Enchant]

Enchant's theatrics aside, we have two players with competing counterclaims and per Simple Normal rules, both can't be right. That means there is definitely scum in that pair and we have to resolve this before proceeding forward.

You are wrong.

[Enchant]

Enchant's theatrics aside, we have two players with competing counterclaims and per Simple Normal rules, both can't be right. That means there is definitely scum in that pair and we have to resolve this before proceeding forward.

You are wrong.

"No duplicate roles are allowed."

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ple_Normal

I know that, you are wrong that we must resolve it today.

[Enchant]

I am not game throwing, i in fact play for my wincon more than everyone else combined.

[Enchant]

It's not me to blame that you are unreasonable.

[Enchant]

No you are game throwing

[Enchant]

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

How does validation come in to this? Enchant claimed Scum on page 60; they're either scum or gamethrowing. And I'd like to know which as soon as possible so we can either a) win by resolving the 1v1 or b) can stop caring.

they're gamethrowing either way

True, so why not just end it?

Please don't bus me too hard they may suspect you

[Enchant]

I am not trolling, i didn't even post NM avatar this game once.

[Enchant]

There's only one variant where my actions harm my faction and this variant likelyhood are almost zero.


So i am perfectly content.

[Enchant]

You caught us.........................................................................................

Our plan to sacrifice more powerful player to let me, Enchant, be deep wolf.


It was perfect plan WHICH IS RUINED.

[Enchant]

Aren't we instawin by finding mafia outside?

... You know that mafia member you need to hunt after 1vs1 anyway?

[Enchant]

actually, i guess there's benefits to leaving the 1v1 to tommorow?

like, scum will basically have a choice between killing the real doc (aka solving the 1v1 for us) or leaving them alive and shooting a VT, which means that in the case that we correctly resolve the 1v1 tommorow we get one more day with naerys

am i making sense here

Thanks for restating what i basically told long ago.

[Enchant]

actually, i guess there's benefits to leaving the 1v1 to tommorow?

like, scum will basically have a choice between killing the real doc (aka solving the 1v1 for us) or leaving them alive and shooting a VT, which means that in the case that we correctly resolve the 1v1 tommorow we get one more day with naerys

am i making sense here

Thanks for restating what i basically told long ago.

Yeah idk man either i didn't read it or i just don't care

Vote Delta.

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I can guarantee if I get voted today and you all see the big green 3x doc on my role card, Comical going to swoop in with 200 posts about how this was his galaxybrained fake claim and how it was super good for town and he's totally towny

and you don't trust that we'll kill him for that?

^ doesn't even read posts

[Enchant]

I never trust town to do something right.

[Enchant]

I can guarantee if I get voted today and you all see the big green 3x doc on my role card, Comical going to swoop in with 200 posts about how this was his galaxybrained fake claim and how it was super good for town and he's totally towny

and you don't trust that we'll kill him for that?

^ doesn't even read posts

^ openly claims scum

^ shtu pu

[Enchant]

I will support any wagon outside of doctors. Short on time.

[Enchant]

Lost all authority to order massclaims really.

[Enchant]

Lost all authority to order massclaims really.

Don't worry, simple by living you are useful.

[Enchant]

I don't either.

I am VT.

[Enchant]

Anyone would guess me as vanilla here.

[Enchant]

Naerys - 1 shot Vig
Hu Tao - Investigative
Comical - Doctor
Lap - 3 - shot doc
Upwards - Vanilla
Enchant - Vanilla
Gypyx
DeltaWave
Lucca
PoP

You can bravely strike Hu Tao as invest, she fakeclaims all time.

[Enchant]

Okay well flavor just confirmed he was fake claiming on lap.

How

I'm not an investigation role

https://media1.tenor.com/m/9ccMeasDWicA ... amalan.gif

[Enchant]

I don't like this.

[Enchant]

I am going Zzz.


Also i love chaos.

[Enchant]

VT

i cast magically fix this mess of a gamestate we have

Dispell

[Enchant]

Then we learn about roleblocker. Which is also useful.

[Enchant]

Insomnia my beloved.

[Enchant]

If i knew it was fake, i would just insist on stopping it.

There's no benefit to let you both 1vs1 pointlessly, even if we killed somebody outside mafia just kills one of you, and other goes "fuck me" immediately.


I did suspect something because 1vs1 were out of place, but i thought it's just mafia skill issue part.

[Enchant]

Idk sounds kinda stupid, i mean if i flip, then comical forced in tough spot.


I Probably would be bussed, while you will be steamrolled by 9000 posts.

[Enchant]

Fairly give me atleast one person you can't pair me in mafia team with.

I literally love everyone.

[Enchant]

Oh well, if only player supporting me is mafia, then i wonder what exactly went wrong with this world, but Comical has no reason to save me, really.

[Enchant]

Basically yes, i am not in position to be picky with alies.

[Enchant]

Thats fine, just vote comical after you see my flip

deja vu

[Enchant]

Hu Tao acted more informed with townreading both for that matter.

[Enchant]

1 day, 15 hours, you better decide finally.

[Enchant]

I didn't figure it was stunt, and i wanted you gone before reveal.

[Enchant]

Remind me why i stopped hating Laplacian?

[Enchant]

VOTE: Delta

[Enchant]

Well we kinda can flashwagon instead

[Enchant]

Even if he thinks you're town, creating a counterwagon eliminates the "Delta was the only option, so I had to vote her, sorry" argument

Hammer.

[Enchant]

How silly you must be to selfvote?

Pfft.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Gypix

[Enchant]

Nothing personal, i just don't like you.

[Enchant]

I am always seriasousls

[Enchant]

UNVOTE:

I obviously want hammer.

[Enchant]

Jokes aside, I dont see how we lose this with an 8v1.

Easily.

[Enchant]

Selfvoting only popular because i invented it this game.

[Enchant]

Nobody died during the night!

Awww yisss

Lap this looks so fake

Less fake than your doc claim

Just to clarify.

You healed Naerys OR Comical?

[Enchant]

But you only repeat after i did it.

[Enchant]

Nobody died during the night!

Awww yisss

Lap this looks so fake

Less fake than your doc claim

Just to clarify.

You healed Naerys OR Comical?

Naerys, said a page ago

What judgement you used in targeting Naerys instead of BG.

[Enchant]

Nobody died during the night!

Awww yisss

Lap this looks so fake

Less fake than your doc claim

Just to clarify.

You healed Naerys OR Comical?

Naerys, said a page ago

What judgement you used in targeting Naerys instead of BG.

BG said to and I was hoping naerys lied about being a 1-shot and would blast someone

So you don't understand why healing BG was mostly superior decision?

[Enchant]

Mmmm nah

Oh well.

I won't bother you anymore.
Today, that's it.

[Enchant]

Naerys is conf town and I was hoping they bluffed about the 1x vig shot. And if I doc you, I'm relying on you to guard the right target instead of me choosing the right target, and while I' 99% sure you're town, I'm 100% sure I am. Unless we had agreed to mutually target each other, that just seems like an extra, messy step

I will be honest, i just find that strange, that mafia went with killing Naerys (0% chance of success) instead of, uh, you, which would result in either you dying, or Comical dying on your place.


There's no motivation for mafia to do it.

[Enchant]

So yeah. Heal Comical, Comical defend Naerys.

Simlle.

[Enchant]

HOW KNOCKING ON PROTECTION PREVENTS THAT?

[Enchant]

So yeah. Heal Comical, Comical defend Naerys.

Simlle.

I will hammer when you confirm this plan^

[Enchant]

... Honestly makes sense more than chain of protectives being countered by 1Shot Jugger.

[Enchant]

So yeah. Heal Comical, Comical defend Naerys.

Simlle.

I will hammer when you confirm this plan^

Sure, I'll heal comical

Heal Naerys.

[Enchant]

Okay. Now i know these knocks on protection (or nokills or whatever i don't care) are on purpose.

There's really short list of those willing to do it, really.

[Enchant]

I in fact agree.

Comical looks incredibly horrible.
If anything, Comical enrofced massclaim promising PR protection (While 1vs1ing doctor to boot). It's so brazen, we forgot about this fact mostly.
Then suddenly he changes in 1SBP. His promises make even less sense now.
Comical is also person who totally no-kills twice, just for sake of it.


In Comical defence, 1SBP is very fitting narrotive of 3SDoctor with 1SJugger and probably Comical just lets me die, instead of white knighting me so hard i guess, and mostly he easily pushed Delta instead of anyone else. I am not that good influence to be left alive in hopes to pocket, so yeah.


Comical is still not player i would go against.
Yet.

[Enchant]

I do not do anything ‘just for the sake of it’

You ceirtanly do so confuse town, even (espicially) it's not something expected from you.

That's what i call "just for the sake of it"

[Enchant]

I think it’s just Lucca.

Upwards just feels like noob town

Then what about unvoting if you think so.

[Enchant]

E-1 and etc.

[Enchant]

Who the hell is Echant?

[Enchant]

Hammer everyone.

Spread our murderous faith.

I was asleep when Upwards was at E-1, then just didn't care because we were mostly winning anyway.

< Bad excuses for not hammering move along.

[Enchant]

Solution simple, don't roll mafia.

[Enchant]

I hated setup.

It's not your fault but i felt like town on this site considered helpless if shitload of town PRs needed against ONE SHOT JUGGERNOUT.


And i mostly ignore flavor unless it's theme game. Thanks for modding though.

[Enchant]

And this PR should be neighborizer.

[Enchant]

Also it's countered with question "WHAT IF MAFIA MISS WITH JUGGERNOUT".

[Enchant]

Tell me which theme game you would like to play and I'll make an effort to mod one.

It should be 8 team multiball and balanced.