Mini Normal 2327: Bird Species (Game Over)

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VOTE: Snow

Let's melt this noob

(Welcome to the site! )

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VOTE: black

Lets get rid of Black. Unironically. She is a good scum player and too hard to catch.

[Black]

VOTE: Snow

Let's melt this noob

(Welcome to the site! )

Thank you Black. I take from your welcoming message that this is a very friendly and enjoyable place!

For the most part yes but be careful about some of these people

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10/3 is the standard I think

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I didn't ignore your vote, I gave you a halo emoji. If you want actual thoughts then I think you're gonna have a hard time policy limming me

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Is she also a good town player?

I'm decent once I get cooking. It usually takes some time

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I didn't ignore your vote, I gave you a halo emoji. If you want actual thoughts then I think you're gonna have a hard time policy limming me

Not really a policy lim

That's exactly what it is. You want to fade me because I'm good at scum and I fooled you in previous games as opposed to wanting to fade me for things I've done in this game

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That's exactly what it is. You want to fade me because I'm good at scum and I fooled you in previous games as opposed to wanting to fade me for things I've done in this game

how do you know this?

Because he said it?

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VOTE: black

Lets get rid of Black. Unironically. She is a good scum player and too hard to catch.

Not going to grudge vote

Not a grudge vote its a fear vote

VOTE: black

Lets get rid of Black. Unironically. She is a good scum player and too hard to catch.

Is she also a good town player? If no, your point makes sense. If yes, we can give her a chance and execute only if there are no other options.

Seriously. She has been good and friendly to me so far and I don't want to eliminate her without reason.

Shes better as a scum player than town but shes good as town too.

I understand you dont want to eliminate her, but i do. And i know her better than you

Ari did you just overlook these or what

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ok but just because he said it, why do you assume it's true?

Because I think gob would be telling the truth about this. I recently won two games against him as scum

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I don't think he's necessarily town. But I do believe that's what he wants his push to seem based off of

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I didn't see the "n" and thought you were Mafia Goo

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I think I lean town on gob because it would make sense for him to be paranoid about me. He could be scum that is using that as a way to push me but I find this less likely

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was going to make something up for Mafia Goo but it's apparently already thought of

viewtopic.php?p=11237450#p11237450

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I didn't ignore your vote, I gave you a halo emoji. If you want actual thoughts then I think you're gonna have a hard time policy limming me

Not really a policy lim

That's exactly what it is. You want to fade me because I'm good at scum and I fooled you in previous games as opposed to wanting to fade me for things I've done in this game

Yea but youve been scummy so far too.

Your vote in 18 wasn't based on me being scummy. It was a policy vote

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ok but just because he said it, why do you assume it's true?

Because I think gob would be telling the truth about this. I recently won two games against him as scum

more like 1 win and 1 throw from my teammates

A win is a win. You thought I was town in that game so you can't blame it all on your teammates

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I suppose gob could be scum

He started Open 897 in a similiar way, pushing me and then working backwards to justify the vote. I think there's a possibility that gob likes to push me when he's scum because he views me as a threat. The only problem is I think he would view me as a threat if he were town too so it's really not definitive evidence

The policy lim stuff is scummy but it's hard to read gob with that because I think he does scummy stuff a lot when he's town

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That's not OMGUS. That's me trying to figure you out

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That's not OMGUS. That's me trying to figure you out

I dont think its possible to figure gob out entirely

True

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Naerys what about gob specifically do you find sus? Is it just the policy lim stuff

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Common Wood Pigeon - Columba palumbus

This bird species is also known as simply the 'wood pigeon'. This bird can be spotted using the white lines on its wings. Its primary habitat is Europe, although it also lives in parts of Asia and North Africa. Their skin colour is gentle shades of grey and brown for the most part, but its bill is orange-red and its breast is almost lilac in colour. They build simple nests that may appear flimsy, but are actually stable and can often be used for years. This species is a large beneficiary of human civilisation, and will often live in parks, gardens, and other urban green spaces, while also appearing elsewhere in urban areas frequently. They also live in woodlands, especially on the edges of it. This bird is mostly a herbivore, with a varied diet of all plant pars - berries, leaves, seeds, buds and flowers. They also feed on common agricultural crops, like wheat, barley and corn - in large flocks, they can be quite the pest for farmers! Because they benefit from their interactions with humans, they are classified as 'Least Concern' by the IUCN, and their population is increasing. It's estimated there are around 50-75 million mature common wood pigeons alive right now.

VOTECOUNT 1.1

Black (3)

- gob, SirCakez, T3

gob (2)

- Save the Dragons, Naerys

Hu Tao (1)

- Random Nurse

Naerys (1)

- shaddowez

SmileyDude1 (1)

- Aristeia

Snow2697 (1)

- Black

Not Voting (4)

- Hu Tao, NotAScum, SmileyDude1, Snow2697

Man I have to do quick math? 7 to fade someone?

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I'm asking you why you're assuming he's town who wants to kill you for being good at mafia rather than mafia trying to push you for an excuse

good point, Aristeia feels towny thanks to this post

agree

I guess I'm reading this differently than you two, but Black never even alludes to gob being town. 36 reads to me more like she's accusing gob of being spiteful and pushing for a lim rather than actually pegging her as scum this game.

assuming spite is someone's motive also assumes they're town imo

but explain why it doesn't

I never assumed he was town, but there may have been an undertone of thinking he could be. My initial reaction to gob's entrance was that it would make sense from town!him

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Feeling proud rn

Spoiler: Jobs not finished

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D1 threadplays are worthless.

VOTE: Black

Is this the only thought you have so far

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I didn't ignore your vote, I gave you a halo emoji. If you want actual thoughts then I think you're gonna have a hard time policy limming me

Not really a policy lim

That's exactly what it is. You want to fade me because I'm good at scum and I fooled you in previous games as opposed to wanting to fade me for things I've done in this game

First time?

Definitely not

But apparently gob doesn't know what a policy lim is

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Snow feels townie

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VOTE: [/no elimination]

Why do you think this is the best option?

No info on night moves. Don't know people. Town won't lose if no one is eliminated at night 1. Seems like best option for me under circumstances.

There's a time and a place for no eliminations and D1 isn't it. You don't have to vote right away but eventually you should vote for who you think is most likely to be scum

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My take on this. Don't know players here. See 4 votes vs Black and 2 votes vs Got. Don't think that previous games or bad feelings are valid elimination reasons. Even if one lost a game before, let's respect scum game. Look, we all will be scums at some point.
So, not ready to vote vs Black due to this. But I accept that sometimes players vote or take other steps at game start based on previous games. May be I am guilty for this too!
See a couple of other conflicts, but cannot take side in those. Tend to vote for "no elimination".

Look i hate to break the news to you Snow but… Black was probably pre-pocketing you. She was nice so you dont lim her in these exact scenarios.

Can I be nice to new folks without you accusing me of having some agenda

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Black might be scum for what she posted on earlier pages

Feels like she's trying to give the impression of a nuanced thought process

Which posts

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VOTE: NotAScum

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Anyways, back to Mafia:

I think I lean town on gob because it would make sense for him to be paranoid about me. He could be scum that is using that as a way to push me but I find this less likely

I suppose gob could be scum

He started Open 897 in a similiar way, pushing me and then working backwards to justify the vote. I think there's a possibility that gob likes to push me when he's scum because he views me as a threat. The only problem is I think he would view me as a threat if he were town too so it's really not definitive evidence

The policy lim stuff is scummy but it's hard to read gob with that because I think he does scummy stuff a lot when he's town

It's a lot of words with no real or clear conclusion, it feels like posting for the sake of posting

I'm showing my thought process. That's not scummy

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It is hedgy. I haven't reached a conclusion yet. I think gob could go either way

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My issue with gob is I can see this type of push coming from either alignment. If he's town then he's worried I'll beat him again and also I think there's a possibility he just exaggerates his confidence in this read out of spite just to get me faded. If he's scum then the "fear vote" is an easy reason to hide behind while he just endlessly pushes me and works backwards to justify it. If he's scum then I think one of NotAScum/T3 is also scum helping with the push

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VOTE: T3

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Seems like this gamestate favors scum

One wagon in four days and a lot of people are just lurking doing nothing and no one really seems to care

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y aren’t we going black tho

Because your case is dog shit

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Seems like this gamestate favors scum

One wagon in four days and a lot of people are just lurking doing nothing and no one really seems to care

So do you think more scum are lurkers?

Probably. I don't really have good reads because no one is doing anything

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y aren’t we going black tho

Because your case is dog shit

its not really a case its just a simple equation.

You are too dangerous to be kept alive since if youre acum, youll most likely beat us.

I'm a little sus of gob saying this. He's been pretty adamant about discrediting me and my scum wins lately. I'm not sure town!him would sit here and openly compliment my scum game like this. Feels more like there could be an agenda here, like he has to keep repeating this to convince people to vote for me or something

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Actually yeah I don't think gob says this if he's town. No shot

Both scum wins I got against gob recently he claimed his teammates threw the game. He didn't give me or the other scum any credit at all. And now suddenly he's trying to act like he thinks I'm some scary scum player that needs to go immediately

VOTE: gob

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black does feel off

but gob's cases have been such garbage that it's hard for me to justify going there

I'm on baby. Hop on board

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I think it's a complete waste of time

You're part of the reason why we've only had 1 wagon in 4 days

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Help me fade gob

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How do I feel off to you StD

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i dunno its more the wording you chose in your gob suspicion

Actually yeah I don't think gob says this if he's town. No shot

kinda reads as "im scum but i have to force another wagon, how do i make it look like i'm convincing myself gob is scum" rather than "i've convinced myself gob is scum"

I understand this. You may not believe me but I made that comment after I went to double-check the comments gob made about me in those two games. That pretty much convinced me that someone either kidnapped gob and is playing Mafia on his account or he's scum pushing an agenda

I don't think town!gob would openly praise my scum game after putting in work to diminish it over the last month or so. It seems more likely that he's scum smirking behind this facade because he's close to getting me faded

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y aren’t we going black tho

if she's town it'd be bad to speedyeet her and not give her time to do her things

if she's mafia it'd be bad to not make her team try to save her or bus her

Which do you think I am? You've been very non-committal regarding my slot

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you have a wrong view of me and how i view you

I'm willing to consider this may be true

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Gob what do your reads look like rn

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but i kinda forgot what i wanted to write

Why did you unvote gob?

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Gob what do your reads look like rn

i like smile snow ari.

Any scumreads besides me and StD?

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Gob what do your reads look like rn

i like smile snow ari.

Any scumreads besides me and StD?

no

What happened to thinking Naerys was scum with me?

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I don't think gob's reads are real

I also think Naerys could be a gob partner if he flips scum. The way she unvoted with no explanation right after his wagon got to 3 votes seems really strange. And it seems like gob's thought about a me/Naerys team was fake and I think there's a chance he threw his scumbuddy in that solve and then forgot he was even scumreading her

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Gob what do your reads look like rn

i like smile snow ari.

Any scumreads besides me and StD?

i know this wasn't asked to me but I'd think if you're mafia your scumteam would be like one of t3/notascum[leaning towards NAS] and maybe hu tao?

Why didn't you help me push either of them when I voted for them

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Why didn't you help me push either of them when I voted for them

why would I help you if I think you're mafia?

I'm confused by this question

If you think they could be my scumbuddies then pushing them with me a) let's you glean my reaction to their wagons and b) has a decent chance of flipping scum if the wagons actually go through. You're not doing anything with your vote actually and that kinda concerns me considering you seem to have all these scumreads

Your read on me seems lazy

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I guess gob could be annoying scum who decided to death-tunnel a random townie right off the bat with an excuse but I dunno how likely that is, I have limited experience with gob the last time I remember playing vs scum!gob he felt more like trying to be nice nice?

It's not random. gob chose me because I beat him as scum right before this game started. He thinks this whole "Black is a threat" push will be believable and it's giving him an excuse not to do anything else this game. I literally did this exact move as scum

on gob

in said game. I just pushed him for reasons that felt believable and coasted on that D1

Your meta with gob is old. He can be an abrasive troll as scum. See his most recent scum game

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What worries me about Ari is she seems to be running alongside my wagon instead of jumping on. She's supporting it but it feels like she doesn't want to get her hands dirty

That combined with her sideline approach this game just feels bad. It doesn't feel like she has any real interest in sorting me. Her scumread feels convenient

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(5) my read on you is pretty lazy I'll agree on that. is there something you're doing that you think I should be townreading you for?

I don't think I've done anything for you to scumread me enough to build teams based on my flip. And yeah I mean I feel like I'm being transparent with my thoughts and trying to solve what little of the game there is to solve. So I guess I should ask why do you think I'm scum?

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He thinks this whole "Black is a threat" push will be believable

I don't know anyone who actually believes in this other than gob?

I think you're suspicious because of the way you reacted to him and the way you are interacting in the thread.

I don't really believe in yeeting people for their scum rep.

StD and Naerys were both in that game

I still don't understand how my reaction to him was scummy but whatever, you don't seem to want to budge there or even discuss it furthher. How are my interactions with the thread scummy?

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StD and Naerys were both in that game

ok and neither of them seem interested in fearyeeting you?

My original point was he could make that push because he knew it would be believable and an easy coast D1. For some reason you're turning it into a different argument trying to say no one believes him. Why are you doing that?

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Interacting with you is very difficult. You just seem like you always have to be right or something

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This game is frustrating me

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I guess I should have chilled in the shadows and not tried to figure out gob's motives for pushing me. Would that have been better for you Ari? Would that have been more townie of me? Now this god awful gob push is being twisted into a legitimate wagon and it makes me want to rip my hair out

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I thought your reaction to gob initially was to talk to him as if he's town treating you unfairly 36 - the sense I got reading the post was that you felt it was unfair he was treating you the way he was because you beat him previously and not because of what you've done in the game so far. The reason I felt it was a scummy reaction is because you're assuming that he wants to yeet you because of your brilliant scumplay in a previous game and not because he's mafia who's trying to push a mislim, the way you talk to him in that post feels like scum frustration to me.

I already told you I wasn't assuming he was town. I guess you're just not going to budge here for whatever reason. If you're town this is an extremely weak reason to want to fade someone. If you're scum then you're holding onto this because you don't have anything else and you can taste my mislim

As for how your interactions with the thread - it feels overall like you're not sure what to do and you're just pulling catchphrases out of your go to list of things to say. I'm not sure you believe anything you've posted in terms of alignment/solving. I liked what STD said about you not believing in your gob scumread, it felt like you were trying to get somewhere rather getting there organically.

This is something that gets said about me a lot when I'm town. That my thoughts don't feel genuine or it doesn't feel like I believe what I'm posting. Yet for some reason no matter how many times I flip town people keep saying this about me. If you are actually town here then can you just go look at some of my other town games and see if you get that same feeling? I don't know what else to say here. You're just flat out wrong about this

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This game is frustrating me

im chillin

Yeah I'm sure you're loving this

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Cool

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So StD and Ari are positioning to hop on my wagon. Do we have one more to seal the deal?

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If you think I'm scum then you shouldn't feel bad. You should be viewing this as as ploy to get people off of me

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Why?

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I was asking why you felt bad but yeah, you kinda answered that in your next post

I still don't think it makes sense for you to feel bad if you think I'm scum. You should feel very good actually

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How confident are you that I'm scum?

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Hmmmm

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I'm gonna take a step back and readjust. Hopefully some of these non-factors will start participating

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y aren’t we going black tho

Because your case is dog shit

its not really a case its just a simple equation.

You are too dangerous to be kept alive since if youre acum, youll most likely beat us.

ok gob this is stretching it lmao, I just vigged scum Black a game ago she's not some nightmare scum mastermind

Cool it bro, I was 3rd party and playing like a townie because I needed to kill scum to win

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I don't know how to show that my progression on gob is real so I can't really argue with the Cakez vote even though it feels pretty lame

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y aren’t we going black tho

Because your case is dog shit

its not really a case its just a simple equation.

You are too dangerous to be kept alive since if youre acum, youll most likely beat us.

ok gob this is stretching it lmao, I just vigged scum Black a game ago she's not some nightmare scum mastermind

shes literally never lost as scum

I'm 8-1 now. I lost a game a few weeks ago

I don't really count the SK game as a scum game though technically it is

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Sorry for not posting the past few days. Will take some time to read the last few pages.

How is the reading coming along

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You guys just randomly voting to see their reactions? It really seems like it.

We're voting you because you're probably lurky scum

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Anyways, back to Mafia:

I think I lean town on gob because it would make sense for him to be paranoid about me. He could be scum that is using that as a way to push me but I find this less likely

I suppose gob could be scum

He started Open 897 in a similiar way, pushing me and then working backwards to justify the vote. I think there's a possibility that gob likes to push me when he's scum because he views me as a threat. The only problem is I think he would view me as a threat if he were town too so it's really not definitive evidence

The policy lim stuff is scummy but it's hard to read gob with that because I think he does scummy stuff a lot when he's town

It's a lot of words with no real or clear conclusion, it feels like posting for the sake of posting

I'm showing my thought process. That's not scummy

I’m not totally sure about that. I feel like you’d have simply come to a more concrete conclusion and stayed there but Im not sure.

I think it's wrong of you to feel this way. Concrete conclusions are for people that are confident in their read. It's not scummy to lack conviction

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Snow I see your questions for me. I'll respond to them when I get out of bed

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- I don't understand why Black did not criticize Cakez in 1.

I felt like the way Cakez declared that he was openly sheeping gob seemed unpartnered. I considered maybe Cakez being scum doing it for that exact reason but it seemed like a less likely approach than the way T3 and NAS joined my wagon

I didn't quite like her vote vs T3 in 3. She called T3 a possible scum assuming Gob is scum. But she goes after T3, not Gob. I read it as an attempt to build a train vs T3. By then Gob had only 1 vote (Naerys) and SmileyDude1 with Naerys already criticized T3. Would be reasonable to assume that a train vs Gob would not succeed and T3 is a more promising target.

At the time I was also considering the possibility of gob being town. In this world I felt like T3 could be scum trying to help gob fade me. T3's vote felt forced, like he was trying to justify joining the wagon with bad reasons (163, 189) and I thought pressuring there would be useful. My vote isn't typically static, especially on D1

Not sure I understand her switch to Gob in 5. No further votes vs T3, thus let's return to Gob?

I already touched on this in 257. To understand this read you kinda have to understand the dynamic between gob and I and how I think he views me. I could be wrong but I don't think gob likes me very much and he has criticized two of my recent scum wins in a way that felt like he was trying to keep my ego in check. After re-reading those comments I felt like there was no way town!gob would openly praise my scum game like he has done this game. It was a gut feeling but it was fairly strong, so I went back to gob

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This post by Snow is incredibly townie and shows that he's thinking about the game on a deep level. Especially all the partnered stuff

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This post by Snow is incredibly townie and shows that he's thinking about the game on a deep level. Especially all the partnered stuff

really?

Do you disagree? He's townie af

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I'm just being transparent with my reads. I can stop talking if you want me to

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I'm just being transparent with my reads. I can stop talking if you want me to

what's your read on Hu Tao?

Lean town but Hu is hard for me to read so I'm not confident there. Generally when she calls me town like this so early it comes from town!her but there's a chance she knows that and is mimicking that behavior

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NotAScum feels like a weak sauce wagon rn

What do your reads look like

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VOTE: NotAScum

This feels weird. Why would you not vote for me here

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My issue with gob is I can see this type of push coming from either alignment. If he's town then he's worried I'll beat him again and also I think there's a possibility he just exaggerates his confidence in this read out of spite just to get me faded. If he's scum then the "fear vote" is an easy reason to hide behind while he just endlessly pushes me and works backwards to justify it. If he's scum then I think one of NotAScum/T3 is also scum helping with the push

I don’t think Black believes the last 2 points at all. Since when would gob do a ‘fear vote?’ I think Black just wants a reason to hedge on gob

Are you even reading the game? gob said himself that it was a fear vote in 22

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T3 what are your thoughts on players not named Black

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Also thought i've been holding onto. I feel like the best argument for NotScum being town right now is that it feels like we've passed the point where the scum team would've/should've jumped in to help coach him through this. Think i'm still alright launching this though for reasons similar to Ari's 436 (+ they could also just not be listening to their team).

Perhaps, but in a world where the scum team is like NAS/T3/Naerys or something then I don't think either of his buddies are going to tell him he needs to post or do more. Half the lobby is just sitting around doing nothing so in this gamestate NAS can almost get away with it. I think my wagon gaining so much traction early combined with inactive townies made scum feel like they didn't really have to do much today

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My issue with gob is I can see this type of push coming from either alignment. If he's town then he's worried I'll beat him again and also I think there's a possibility he just exaggerates his confidence in this read out of spite just to get me faded. If he's scum then the "fear vote" is an easy reason to hide behind while he just endlessly pushes me and works backwards to justify it. If he's scum then I think one of NotAScum/T3 is also scum helping with the push

I don’t think Black believes the last 2 points at all. Since when would gob do a ‘fear vote?’ I think Black just wants a reason to hedge on gob

Are you even reading the game? gob said himself that it was a fear vote in 22

Nvm I misunderstood what fear vote actually meant

You’re probably town

???

Your whole ISO is pushing me and shading me and suddenly I'm probably town? How did you reach that conclusion? And what are your thoughts on other players?

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VOTE: NotAScum

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How do u want to get info if u dont lim? Besides scum would likely just shoot snow which would give us 0 info
The best info we get from wagons and limming

Wait for town info roles to provide info on D2? Conclusions from D1 train alone isn't reliable, they've to be combined with other info.

We don't want town info roles to out themselves D2. And we want to lim D1 so we can get info out of it

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I'm getting some newtown vibes from NAS suddenly

VOTE: T3

This ISO is awful. More votes here please

[Black]

NotAScum feels like a weak sauce wagon rn

What do your reads look like

I low-key am still working on most of them, I'll try to generate a readslist soon

Can you give like a rough summary? They don't have to be fully baked reads

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T3 you need to post some reads. All you do is pop in and talk about me for a little bit and then leave

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i dunno its more the wording you chose in your gob suspicion

Actually yeah I don't think gob says this if he's town. No shot

kinda reads as "im scum but i have to force another wagon, how do i make it look like i'm convincing myself gob is scum" rather than "i've convinced myself gob is scum"

I understand this. You may not believe me but I made that comment after I went to double-check the comments gob made about me in those two games. That pretty much convinced me that someone either kidnapped gob and is playing Mafia on his account or he's scum pushing an agenda

I don't think town!gob would openly praise my scum game after putting in work to diminish it over the last month or so. It seems more likely that he's scum smirking behind this facade because he's close to getting me faded

I don’t think town!gob was ever entirely honest

I think this point is towny for you tho

Answer 450

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i hate repeating stuff people already said

That's the biggest problem I have with the wagon. Nobody's said anything but "His ISO is really bad", and people are just repeating that and voting him.

I think the wagon served a purpose of making T3 do stuff. I don't think the stuff he is doing is all that compelling

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i hate repeating stuff people already said

What do you not like about his ISO?

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Don't think T3 is that scummy

I think T3s ate reaction is pretty reasonable

I'm not really inclined to believe T3's AtE. He just faked it as scum in shadd's game

Who do you think is scummy?

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I'm not really inclined to believe T3's AtE. He just faked it as scum in shadd's game

I just remembered he used AtE in exactly the same way, saying he always gets run up as town. He was lurky scum in that game that didn't give many reads and wasn't trying to solve. Seems familiar

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I won't be around much this weekend but I'll try to keep up

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As T3 and SirCakez voted each other, I'm guessing one of them is scum.

Why can't they both be town?

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I'm assuming cakes was the vigilante shot. Which is fair

Why are you assuming this

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I mean we just finished a game where scum killed one of the top D1 suspects so I'm not sure why you're making this assumption

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I mean look at how yesterday went. It's pretty obvious. The fact you even said it like that is sus.

This feels awkwardly defensive

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VOTECOUNT 1.10

T3 (7)

- Black, SirCakez, Random Nurse, SmileyDude1, Naerys, Aristeia, shaddowez

SirCakez (4)

- Save the Dragons, T3, Hu Tao, gob

No Elimination (1)

- Snow2697

Not Voting (1)

- NotAScum

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2024-02-26 01:12:53).

I'm dead. This means none of us were on scum LMFAO

Yeah that seems about right considering scum were allowed to sit around and do nothing D1

[Black]

I mean we just finished a game where scum killed one of the top D1 suspects so I'm not sure why you're making this assumption

Look how many suspected cakes. Why would scum kill them. You're better than this so that's why I'm saying this.

I literally just mentioned a game we were both in where scum killed Delta N1 because they thought she was a PR

Cut the cheap shots, it's a bad look for you

[Black]

I mean look at how yesterday went. It's pretty obvious. The fact you even said it like that is sus.

This feels awkwardly defensive

Maybe I should have listened to gob day 1, cause what do you mean?

You calling me sus for asking why you're making that assumption seems overly defensive

[Black]

VOTECOUNT 1.10

T3 (7)

- Black, SirCakez, Random Nurse, SmileyDude1, Naerys, Aristeia, shaddowez

SirCakez (4)

- Save the Dragons, T3, Hu Tao, gob

No Elimination (1)

- Snow2697

Not Voting (1)

- NotAScum

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2024-02-26 01:12:53).

I'm dead. This means none of us were on scum LMFAO

Yeah that seems about right considering scum were allowed to sit around and do nothing D1

Do you think scum is lurkers?

The whole game is essentially lurkers. Some just post a little more than others

[Black]

Black and HT, would you two explain what were you doing last night?

?

[Black]

I mean we just finished a game where scum killed one of the top D1 suspects so I'm not sure why you're making this assumption

Look how many suspected cakes. Why would scum kill them. You're better than this so that's why I'm saying this.

I literally just mentioned a game we were both in where scum killed Delta N1 because they thought she was a PR

Cut the cheap shots, it's a bad look for you

What are you gonna do about it? Vote me?

You're a goober

[Black]

I mean we just finished a game where scum killed one of the top D1 suspects so I'm not sure why you're making this assumption

Look how many suspected cakes. Why would scum kill them. You're better than this so that's why I'm saying this.

I literally just mentioned a game we were both in where scum killed Delta N1 because they thought she was a PR

Cut the cheap shots, it's a bad look for you

What are you gonna do about it? Vote me?

You're a goober

Better watch your mouth thats my friend you’re talking to

Hey she's my friend too, we just had a girl's night!

[Black]

So gob is conftown. Thank you for not shooting me gob

[Black]

Kinda relieved that I don't have to sort gob anymore because that was a headache

[Black]

I wanna say at least one scum was on both wagons

[Black]

I can definitely see scum in the hybrid lurker types like Smiley/shaddow/Naerys/Nurse

[Black]

I wanna say at least one scum was on both wagons

You are so obviously scum tgis game and im gonna pin you

You are absolutely awful at reading me

[Black]

VOTE: Black

Why?

[Black]

D1 threadplays are pretty much worthless. I'm more interested in what you guys did last night.

Why are you role fishing

[Black]

VOTE: Naerys

[Black]

And of course today's threadplay is going to be interesting. Get your stories consistent.

Do you have a guilty check on Hu?

[Black]

VOTE: Black

Why?

just trying it on and seeing how it feels

I'm town

[Black]

What did you do last night?

slept well

Do you have a guilty check on Hu?

Why are you role fishing

Asking people what they did overnight is an easy way to get all of our power roles killed

You're clearing softing something here but if you want to withhold the info then that's fine

[Black]

You're saying that you think he has a guilty on me. But he named you too. Which would imply you think he has a guilty on you?

I don't necessarily think he has a guilty on you. I asked that to gauge his reaction

[Black]

It could be that 2 scums were in Cakez wagon (to distance themselves from a mislim) and thus they did not kill Cakez (to play against him) and killed a townie on the T3 train (to compromise other members of the T3 train). I am more inclined to look closer at Cakez wagon for scum search.

SirCakez (4) - Save the Dragons, T3, Hu Tao, gob

Unless you don't believe gob's claim, you're saying that both StD and Hu are scum, there's no "searching".

I don't rule out that Gob is scum.
Note that he does not suspect voters for Cakez.
BTW same with Black - her suspects are all from T3 wagon.

Gob can't be scum here

[Black]

Gob can't be scum here

Why?

There is an unaccounted Vig kill. If gob is lying about being the Vig then the real Vig would counterclaim

[Black]

There is an unaccounted Vig kill. If gob is lying about being the Vig then the real Vig would counterclaim

Do you read his 748 as claim to be Vig? I have thought from D1 that this is just his eccentric "Gob's" play.

He has to be a Vig. If he's scum that killed Cakez then the real Vig would have killed Ari and they would come forward and reveal that gob is scum

[Black]

I don't think Mafia can have an extra killing role and I don't think there are SK's in this setup. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong

[Black]

Whoa

[Black]

Ok so one of gob/Snow is confscum

[Black]

Snow why did you shoot Cakez

[Black]

Why would gob out himself as scum here by claiming to kill someone he didn't? Doesn't really make sense to me

[Black]

Maybe gob is scum that just wanted to get the Vig to claim so they could shoot them N2

[Black]

VOTE: gob

[Black]

Awfully quick of Black to vote gob without giving the guy a chance to explain. Also I doubt a real vig would outright claim vig when they can just kill the imposter during night

I think gob is more likely to be scum than Snow

And I think counterclaiming in order to fade scum is probably the right move

[Black]

Awfully quick of Black to vote gob without giving the guy a chance to explain. Also I doubt a real vig would outright claim vig when they can just kill the imposter during night

I cannot kill at N2. Had I remained silent and been killed at N2, Gob's claim would have been unchallenged.

I think Snow is telling the truth here

[Black]

NAS might be a gob partner

[Black]

Okay i think the team is snow and black + someone else.

Anyway there is no reason to lim Snow here today. Lets get Black.

This is a fake thought. From your pov you should consider Snow confscum. It doesn't make sense to fade me today. You just want to get rid of me because Snow is a one-shot

[Black]

Gob is obvscum here trying to run me up to a claim

[Black]

Yeah uh huh. Even if Snow were scum, keeping him around doesn't guarantee he spews anything

Gob you are full of shit

[Black]

Gob is scum that knew he could get the Vig to counterclaim by taking credit for the kill. Now that gob knows Snow is a one-shot Vig he's trying to fade me instead

Let's send this fool off a cliff

[Black]

Yeah uh huh. Even if Snow were scum, keeping him around doesn't guarantee he spews anything

Gob you are full of shit

its the best play objectively pretty clearly

Yeah, if you're scum trying to get another townie to claim

[Black]

There is no snese in limming a conf-scum.

what? you can't be serious

i am serious. Ill lim Snow over most others thiuhh, today.

This does not come from a townie that knows Snow is scum

[Black]

Gob what are your reads

[Black]

Gob what are your reads

You Snow, i think NAS js townie. Smiley, Narrys. Like them

Why do you like Naerys

[Black]

There is no snese in limming a conf-scum.

what? you can't be serious

i am serious. Ill lim Snow over most others thiuhh, today.

This does not come from a townie that knows Snow is scum

You’ve said a lot of stuff like this today. Wrings like a fake lazy attack to me

I think you're obvscum

[Black]

I think it's pretty obvious that Snow is telling the truth and that gob is trying to fade someone not named Snow because a one-shot Vig isn't that big of a threat to him

[Black]

I cannot kill at N2. Had I remained silent and been killed at N2, Gob's claim would have been unchallenged.

Ah. Honestly, i am inclined to trust you over gob. The problem with gob is, that he is often rather unreadable. I went from SRing him yesterday for weird push on Black to TRing him, bcz i have never seen bold scum gob like that, from my pov gob usually likes to manipulate from the shadows, perhaps someone who played more with him could correct me on this.

What games are you basing this read on scum!gob off of

[Black]

Gob is obvscum here trying to run me up to a claim

Hey, knowing your history, it could be just some heavy distancing between you 2

Sure, it could be. Help me flip gob?

[Black]

Gob was scum in Open 891 and he wasn't in the shadows at all that game. I think your meta read isn't very useful here

Don't think about it too hard. Let's fade scum

[Black]

Gob was scum in Open 891 and he wasn't in the shadows at all that game. I think your meta read isn't very useful here

Don't think about it too hard. Let's fade scum

Can we please lim Black everyone?

Not in your wildest dreams

[Black]

Gob what are your reads

You Snow, i think NAS js townie. Smiley, Narrys. Like them

Why do you like Naerys

Seems good to me

Why though. You should elaborate on all your thoughts. Otherwise this just looks like anti-spew

[Black]

Gob's motive is crystal clear here

[Black]

Gob what are your reads

You Snow, i think NAS js townie. Smiley, Narrys. Like them

Why do you like Naerys

Seems good to me

Why though. You should elaborate on all your thoughts. Otherwise this just looks like anti-spew

I am not going to put in a bunch of work for yoh to hand wave it away.

Dont ask me anymore questions. Ill do my work at my own pace

I'm asking you to explain your read. If that's "a bunch of work" then idk what to tell you lol

[Black]

Gob's motive is crystal clear here

Why would I out there as mafia? All it does it put a targwt on my back unnecessarily.

What is bugging me
though is why Snow outted. It only makes sense if he is scuk with you. Because otherwise he wouldn’t cc me given his widely townread psotion.

You fake claimed because you saw that there's a Vig in the game and you wanted to NK them

[Black]

Its not a bunch of work but the fact its coming from you makes me not wanna do it. Im not in the business of giving scum what they want

Aka "I don't want to spew anyone's alignment so I'm gonna shut up now"

[Black]

Don't think about it too hard. Let's fade scum

yeah no town need to think hard before limming. you act somewhat scummy here ngl, we ought to examine snows claim a bit more thoroughly. also can someone cast some light on black, i think her rushing gob lim has some ulterior motive. help us understand her with some meta

We don't have to rush it but we are absolutely fading gob today

[Black]

Honestly I don't really care if you think I'm scummy. We have guaranteed scum within gob/snow and I'm excited about that prospect

[Black]

Honestly I don't really care if you think I'm scummy. We have guaranteed scum within gob/snow and I'm excited about that prospect

or could it be that they're both town? Notice gob hasn't actually claimed he's vig, it's implied. But he could've another town power role and just doesn't want to give it away. This'd also explain why he doesn't want to lim Snow. And this'd also explain why you'd be so excited to kill either of them

Why would town!gob lie about killing Cakez?

[Black]

Also why are you assuming that gob is lying and not Snow???

[Black]

gob makes a lot of tongue in cheek posts. I didn't even take his cakez claim seriously at first

Gob claimed Vig by saying he killed Cakez. There's no other town role that could make that kill

If he lied as town then he caused the real Vig to claim for no reason and completely threw the game and should be faded for such a bogus anti-town move anyway

[Black]

gob and I both being scum would be wild but I understand why some people are considering it

[Black]

NAS your logic doesn't make sense. Gob said he thinks Snow is scum. He said he would fade Snow over most players. Why would he continuously lie if he was town here?

[Black]

Like explain to me why you think a townPR!gob lies about killing Cakez, and then lies about thinking Snow is scum?

[Black]

We're killing gob today. We don't have to rush, we can wait until the deadline if we want, but that's the fade

[Black]

I believe his claim and I think he's been way more townie than you

[Black]

Indeed

[Black]

Interesting.

That's it?

[Black]

What if there are two vigs who both shot cakez

Had a similar thought earlier today.

It's not impossible for that to have occurred (AFAIK duplicate roles in regular normal games are fine), though I do find it highly unlikely. I feel like double vig in a mini is somewhat rare, and I think in the cases where that does occur it's usually like one odd one even where they can't both shoot within the same night. Then add the odds both shoot into the same person and it very much goes into "have to see it to believe it" category for me

UNVOTE:
Interesting. IMO Cakez was an obvious vig target, so a double vig shot would be very possible. Cakez looked scummy, was target of the 2nd D1 train and would be a D2 candidate anyway.
What troubles me is why would a scum claim a vig role to provoke a CC. Or this can be scum Gob's play? I also did not quite like Black from the D2 exchange.
Will need to think it over. What do others think?

A double vig shot is possible but highly unlikely. It is extremely likely that one of you is lying

[Black]

I seriously doubt there's two vigs in a game of 13. Not saying it's impossible, but the chance is astronomically small. I'm more inclined to believe snow here, mafia are more likely to fake claim first than to counter claim to the real role. But one thing in that case is, other than by guessing, how did gob figure out the vig killed cakez?

If gob is scum then he knows the scum team killed Ari

[Black]

SmileyDude1, what do you think of Black? Do you think she's honest in her assessments or have some ulterior motive like I suspect?

Do you think I'm scum with gob?

[Black]

I seriously doubt there's two vigs in a game of 13. Not saying it's impossible, but the chance is astronomically small. I'm more inclined to believe snow here, mafia are more likely to fake claim first than to counter claim to the real role. But one thing in that case is, other than by guessing, how did gob figure out the vig killed cakez?

If gob is scum then he knows the scum team killed Ari

I do not understand why a vig would kill Ari.

I seriously doubt there's two vigs in a game of 13. Not saying it's impossible, but the chance is astronomically small. I'm more inclined to believe snow here, mafia are more likely to fake claim first than to counter claim to the real role. But one thing in that case is, other than by guessing, how did gob figure out the vig killed cakez?

If gob is scum then he knows the scum team killed Ari

I do not understand why a vig would kill Ari.

And equally why scums would kill town T3 who already got trained on D1.

The Vig didn't kill Ari. Scum did. Also scum didn't kill T3 because he was already dead. 'm not sure what you're trying to say here?

[Black]

Do you think I'm scum with gob?

it's not out of the question. Voting gob doesn't exclude such possibility

I'm not saying it should, I just wanted to hear your thoughts. You seem to think both gob and I are scum but it doesn't feel like you think we're partnered

[Black]

Gob is probably a goon. It's not hard to guess cakez got killed by vig and gob is used to lure vig. Black is his scummate and now is just distancing

What do you not understand about scum!gob knowing the Vig killed Cakez?

[Black]

He doesn't have to guess in this scenario. He knows his team killed Ari

[Black]

I have a feeling that one of these people trying to pair me with gob is actually a gob partner posturing to push me once he flips scum

[Black]

NotAScum asked a question: "How did gob figure out the vig killed cakez".
You answered this question: "If gob is scum then he knows the scum team killed Ari".
So, your answer assumes that Gob is scum, since otherwise he could not have known who was N1 vig victim.
I disagree with you. There is no reason IMO why scums would kill T3 and why a vig would kill Ari. Therefore an no-vig town Gob could have figured out who killed whom.

If gob is town then he would have had to guess, but I don't think he's town

[Black]

Gob spent day 1 hard pushing Black and then somehow vigs Cakez? I dont see much logic there

this is a pretty disingenuous view lf my day 1 play

No it's not. 90% of your content D1 was pushing me

[Black]

Because some townrole could've 1-2 shot modifier. What is also suspicious is rather than voting snow, gob is voting black. Feels like distancing. Why would a real vig won't vote a fake vig? There's something else going on here

You don't seem to be considering the possibility that scum!gob wants to push town!me because Snow is a gated Vig that can't shoot tonight. He's not as big of a threat. The scum team still needs to figure out who the other town PRs are so it makes perfect sense for scum!gob to try and push me up to a claim here

[Black]

Regardless, if you were actually a Vig here you would have shot me. 1000% no question. You spewed all that crap about me being too good as scum and being afraid of me and saying I absolutely have to die because I'm a threat. There is no world where town!you shoots Cakez over me

Gob is scum here guys. His actions don't match his words or thoughts at all. That's because they're fake thoughts

[Black]

Because some townrole could've 1-2 shot modifier. What is also suspicious is rather than voting snow, gob is voting black. Feels like distancing. Why would a real vig won't vote a fake vig? There's something else going on here

You don't seem to be considering the possibility that scum!gob wants to push town!me because Snow is a gated Vig that can't shoot tonight. He's not as big of a threat. The scum team still needs to figure out who the other town PRs are so it makes perfect sense for scum!gob to try and push me up to a claim here

??? im not pushing you to claim here lol. Im trying to lim you

What do you think getting me to E-1 would do? It would force me to claim. Trying to fade me and trying to make me claim is one in the same

[Black]

Regardless, if you were actually a Vig here you would have shot me. 1000% no question. You spewed all that crap about me being too good as scum and being afraid of me and saying I absolutely have to die because I'm a threat. There is no world where town!you shoots Cakez over me

Gob is scum here guys. His actions don't match his words or thoughts at all. That's because they're fake thoughts

I agree with you that you were on D1 train too, so it would make sense for vig!gob to kill you.
Why do you not consider that he is covering a real vig?

It's possible, I just don't think it's likely

[Black]

Because some townrole could've 1-2 shot modifier. What is also suspicious is rather than voting snow, gob is voting black. Feels like distancing. Why would a real vig won't vote a fake vig? There's something else going on here

You don't seem to be considering the possibility that scum!gob wants to push town!me because Snow is a gated Vig that can't shoot tonight. He's not as big of a threat. The scum team still needs to figure out who the other town PRs are so it makes perfect sense for scum!gob to try and push me up to a claim here

??? im not pushing you to claim here lol. Im trying to lim you

What do you think getting me to E-1 would do? It would force me to claim. Trying to fade me and trying to make me claim is one in the same

At what point on D1 were you at E-1 stage? I think at most you've got 4 votes (Gob, Cakez, T3, NAS).

I'm referring to now. D2. If gob is scum then he's trying to push me to a claim

[Black]

Only mafia can be too sure about alignments and definitely doesn't need to solve the game. What is interesting that gob and black are supremely confident about the alignments of each other and want to lynch the other rather than solving the game. While the rest of us still are trying to work out the real/fake vig. With that said, gob is a surer deal but his flip would implicate black

VOTE: gob

We won't use the "L" word here

[Black]

Gut pinging on Gob and Black.

VOTE: Black

Why would you vote for me over gob though? Are you a gob partner?

[Black]

Gob/Random Nurse/x

[Black]

I mean yeah it doesn't feel very logical to want to fade me instead of the guy you think is fake claiming Vig

[Black]

You and gob must be discussing the plan in the scum PT. That explains why gob is not posting here

[Black]

Regardless, if you were actually a Vig here you would have shot me. 1000% no question. You spewed all that crap about me being too good as scum and being afraid of me and saying I absolutely have to die because I'm a threat. There is no world where town!you shoots Cakez over me

Gob is scum here guys. His actions don't match his words or thoughts at all. That's because they're fake thoughts

okay first off, who i push openly and who i actuakly sr are different. You should know that.

You don’t know how i play, simply

Are you trying to say you were lying about SRing me?

[Black]

Only mafia can be too sure about alignments and definitely doesn't need to solve the game. What is interesting that gob and black are supremely confident about the alignments of each other and want to lynch the other rather than solving the game. While the rest of us still are trying to work out the real/fake vig. With that said, gob is a surer deal but his flip would implicate black

VOTE: gob

Dont take what Black says about me as fact. She is spewing stuff that isnt true cause she’s wolf most likely.

I think this interaction probably spews NAS as town if gob flips scum

[Black]

I mean yeah it doesn't feel very logical to want to fade me instead of the guy you think is fake claiming Vig

…


Did I say that?

I said my gut pinged on both Gob and you. That’s it.

Over-extend much?

Why do you scumread gob?

[Black]

Regardless, if you were actually a Vig here you would have shot me. 1000% no question. You spewed all that crap about me being too good as scum and being afraid of me and saying I absolutely have to die because I'm a threat. There is no world where town!you shoots Cakez over me

Gob is scum here guys. His actions don't match his words or thoughts at all. That's because they're fake thoughts

okay first off, who i push openly and who i actuakly sr are different. You should know that.

You don’t know how i play, simply

Are you trying to say you were lying about SRing me?

I wanted to lim you out of fear. As time went on i started to SR you. Now i fully SR you.

So you were afraid of me and you started to scumread me but you didn't shoot me? I'm not buying it

[Black]

So you don't think there are two vigs which implies you think one of gob/Snow is lying, yet you vote for me? Explain the thought process there

[Black]

Regardless, if you were actually a Vig here you would have shot me. 1000% no question. You spewed all that crap about me being too good as scum and being afraid of me and saying I absolutely have to die because I'm a threat. There is no world where town!you shoots Cakez over me

Gob is scum here guys. His actions don't match his words or thoughts at all. That's because they're fake thoughts

okay first off, who i push openly and who i actuakly sr are different. You should know that.

You don’t know how i play, simply

Are you trying to say you were lying about SRing me?

I wanted to lim you out of fear. As time went on i started to SR you. Now i fully SR you.

So you were afraid of me and you started to scumread me but you didn't shoot me? I'm not buying it

Way different between limming someone and shooting someone.

???

If you're afraid of me and think I'm scum why would you not shoot me

[Black]

Gob is open wolfing at this point

[Black]

Random Nurse ISO is pretty scummy tbh

[Black]

RN is quieter than usual. He is more active in other games. This isn't a good look.

Also HT is trying to stay completely under the radar. I think the third scum is between these two

What other games of RN's have you read?

[Black]

So you don't think there are two vigs which implies you think one of gob/Snow is lying, yet you vote for me? Explain the thought process there

The way you made some of those posts triggered my gut, and I didn't like that.

I'm going to bed now, but I can and will bring this up later once I have time.

This is such a weak reasoning. You can't even explain your thought process

RN is most likely scum if gob flips scum

[Black]

I guess RN could be scum even if gob flips town but it just feels like he has some agenda here that involves building my wagon up over gob's

[Black]

Mmhmm. I'm calling bullshit

[Black]

You already tried to fade me and it didn't work. The next logical step is to shoot me