Open 135 - Polygamist Mafia, Incomplete/Mod Error before 775

[Tenchi]

/confirm

ORGY

I just wanted to say the word here.

[Tenchi]

Simul-posting has been known to the state of California to cause infertility and baldness, which would spell trouble for this town.

Moral of the story: don't live in California.

I just moved there last month.

[Tenchi]

*here

[Tenchi]

Agreeing with 46.

Vote: Tenchi

L-4

As expected. :\

[Tenchi]

Not really. Any reason for the unvote? He wasn't in any immediate danger.

I fail to see any benefit that a random wagon gives us in this game, simply because we'll have no way of knowing if Polygamists are fakeclaiming lovers,

Isn't this an open setup? Polygamists can ONLY claim lovers right?

... or if we have legitimate lover claims.

Most of us have legitimate lover claims. And it can be cross confirmed. The thing is, the polygamists will surely find some pairing for the four of them to claim, but we all know those four like doing it together behind our backs...

[Tenchi]

I'm bored.

Vote: Pie

[Tenchi]

[Tenchi]

OK. I'm confused. Why am I getting your vote again?

[Tenchi]

Nevermind.

[Tenchi]

Prod: Ortolan

[Tenchi]

To see his response. His last response to the Wall-e vote was quite interesting.

I won't respond the same to your vote.

I reacted that way to Wall-E because we had played before, and he totally kicked my ass, and played on my noobiness. Also, I am familiar with his tinge of craziness, yet I am not sure whether its a tell of anything since I only played against him (with him being scum). So I'm taking everything from him this time with a grain of salt (meaning no extreme/rash reactions and super stupid noobiness from me, because it kinda cost us the game befroe).

I respect Wall-E's interpretation of my actions (eventhough I think it is wrong).

I voted Pie to elicit reactions ("I'm bored") and I do believe it worked.

[Tenchi]

LYNCH COUNT HAS BEEN REACHED! NOT VOTING HAS BEEN LYN-...oh, wait. Never mind. Jumped the gun on that one.

bahahahaha.

Tenchi, what reactions were you trying to elicit?

Dunno. Like this discussion perhaps? We gotta start somewhere.

[Tenchi]

ATTENTION TOWN: I have a problem with what's happening.

I don't know if it's just me or this game is moving too slow/cautious, especially discussion wise. The biggest power of town lies in catching scum in their foursome association, and we can't do it with this kind of activity.

What happened to the excitement last during the confirmation stage. I feel like almost everyone went into hiding!

Vote: Zwet

[Tenchi]

I'm all for claiming.

NO CLAIMING PLEASE K THX!

I don't mind Wall-E. I have mine on you too.

Zwet, I'm not OMGUSsing you.

[Tenchi]

I want to hear more from Sekinj. He just 'noted' Pie's nervousness which was commented on by several other players, then he disappeared.

Unvote: Vote: Zwet

(Seraphim is strict with this thing. :\)

[Tenchi]

Ace, I think its just because I'm not used to UNVOTING, before changing my vote or something.

[Tenchi]

Archon (so far) has also acted similarly like sekinj.

Active pre-game and conservative on his comments and posts right now.

[Tenchi]

I want to hear more from Sekinj. He just 'noted' Pie's nervousness which was commented on by several other players, then he disappeared.

Unvote: Vote: Zwet

(Seraphim is strict with this thing. :\)

Um... hello! Look! Does the first part of this post, calling Sek and Pie suspicious, agree with his vote on me?

Hmm... slight misrep here. I was actually calling out sekinj here. I am neutral with the issue on Pie, especially his 'nervousness' and taking early-game bandwagons seriously reminded me on how I played my first game here.

And for one last time, I am not OMGUSing you.

Also, YOU are the one who's jumpy, considering you were one of the first people who called out Pie for being jumpy.

[Tenchi]

How does calling someone out on jumpiness make me jumpy?

I'm calling you jumpy not because you called somebody on jumpiness.

I'm calling you jumpy because of how you have behaved the past two pages.

Also, saying that you're not OMGUSing me doesn't change the fact that you are, especially if you don't say why.

I'm voting for you to see what YOUR reactions were.

[Tenchi]

Lol. My reaction was calling you out on OMGUS because of your reaction to my earlier reaction hunting.

I have no problem with you reaction hunting. Stop misrepresenting me. That's three times in one page.

[Tenchi]

YOU SAYING THAT I"M MISREPPING YOU DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE!!

Let others be the judge.

[Tenchi]

For what it's worth, I agree that Tenchi wasn't calling Pie suspicious, but I do think his vote against Zwet seemed fairly OMGUS. Voting for someone without stating your reasons is generally unhelpful.

Generally.

I had to do it though, to get reactions, there was no other moves being done in the game.

[Tenchi]

You know the irony here is? I used the same (or a similar) technique that you were trying to use on me. I didn't mind you fishing for reactions by voting for me.

I place my vote on you and you immediately call me out for OMGUS.

(Kinda unrelated) question: Do you think Wall-E's, Archon's or Ace's reasons for voting for you are sound?

[Tenchi]

What did you learn from my reaction?

You shouldn't be asking me this. We have been discussing your behavior for the past two pages or so.

[Tenchi]

Actually, we've been discussing YOUR behavior for the past two pages or so.

We will get nowhere with this. I'll let the others take it from here.

I'd rather you answer my question in 128.

[Tenchi]

Nothing substantial that I would say "OMG SCUM WHOREZ!". Most of the discussion here right now is based on me giving him his third vote.

Post 114 onwards explains what I think on what has happened.

[Tenchi]

EBWOP: Most of the discussion here right now is based

on me giving him his third vote and how he reacted to/interpreting it.

[Tenchi]

Stop pandering and answer 128.

[Tenchi]

If you're town you are totally ruining this game for your partner and six other people.

Just answer the question.

[Tenchi]

Archon, your last five points have been totally empty:

1. Self-meta or some empty comment on sekinj, which doesn't really justify you being actively lurking on this thread.

2. More fluff

3. An unvote, which relieves pressure from zwet.

4. Fluff for Jazz

5. And more excuse to lurk.

Just wow.

[Tenchi]

You are accusing me of activley lurking?

I've been busy. Apparently I must tell you my schedule from Friday night.

Friday;
Play practice from 6-9 PM
Sleep till 10:00 AM next morning
Saturday;
Wake up, 10:00
Go to dentist, 11:00
go to Play practice, 1:00
Come home and prep/serve dinner to friends, 5:00
Have a sleepover. Rest of night
Sunday;
Wake up, 10:00
Go to other freind's house, 1:00
Attend another play. 5:45

Is this enough to tell you I'm not lurking?

FOS techni

for lies.

I'M BUSY, TECHNI. Apparently you can't understand that.

I "accused" you of actively lurking on

Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:39 am, PST

. Whatever side of the planet you are on, you should have posted that on Sunday or Monday.

This makes me wonder why you use your Friday activities to defend your Saturday/Sunday actions.

Also, instead of typing out your schedule, you could have used that time to read the game, which isn't that long actually.

[Tenchi]

I'm bored.

Vote: Pie

Does this have serious intent behind it?

The intentions behind this has been discussed/requested on page 6.

I respect Wall-E's interpretation of my actions (eventhough I think it is wrong).

What does "respect" mean? If you think he's a good player that's all well and good but do you think his vote on you is

reasonable

or

scum-motivated

?

I think he's a good player and I thought his vote on me was reasonable.

ATTENTION TOWN: I have a problem with what's happening.

I don't know if it's just me or this game is moving too slow/cautious, especially discussion wise. The biggest power of town lies in catching scum in their foursome association, and we can't do it with this kind of activity.

What happened to the excitement last during the confirmation stage. I feel like almost everyone went into hiding!

Vote: Zwet

Stop voting without any justification, please, it's not making you look more town. I also view calls for more activity as a slight scumtell (easy way for scum to feign "helping" the town).

I have addressed the concerns on the vote on page 6. My call for activity is some wakeup call on what this game has degenerated to, and I believe that the only way we can make the most out of the mid/late-game claims is if we all be active.

Even if we claim later, but then we don't even have a clue on what the other players opinions on each other, then we have not much to go on.

[Tenchi]

I have addressed the concerns on the vote on page 6. My call for activity is some wakeup call on what this game has degenerated to, and I believe that the only way we can make the most out of the mid/late-game claims is if we all be active.

Even if we claim later, but then we don't even have a clue on what the other players opinions on each other, then we have not much to go on.

This is also to emphasize that, compared to regular games, that activity is much more critical to this game since we are basing our lynches (generally) on associations.

[Tenchi]

EBWOP:

You are accusing me of activley lurking?

I've been busy. Apparently I must tell you my schedule from Friday night.

Friday;
Play practice from 6-9 PM
Sleep till 10:00 AM next morning
Saturday;
Wake up, 10:00
Go to dentist, 11:00
go to Play practice, 1:00
Come home and prep/serve dinner to friends, 5:00
Have a sleepover. Rest of night
Sunday;
Wake up, 10:00
Go to other freind's house, 1:00
Attend another play. 5:45

Is this enough to tell you I'm not lurking?

FOS techni

for lies.

I'M BUSY, TECHNI. Apparently you can't understand that.

I "accused" you of actively lurking on

Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:39 am, PST

. Whatever side of the planet you are on, you should have posted that on Sunday or Monday.

This makes me wonder why you use your Friday activities to defend your Saturday/Sunday actions.

Also, instead of typing out your schedule, you could have used that time to read the game, which isn't that long actually.

[Tenchi]

HAEL NAU!

No to what?

[Tenchi]

Tenchi OMGUSed and parrotted me, while sekinj posts incredibly scummy ideas.

What scummy idea? Sekinj was asking for a replacement for himself.

[Tenchi]

Wall-E, with that you are also saying that Archon is innocent. (I think they could not be possibly be scum together.) Are you aware of that?

[Tenchi]

Check their exchange in page 7. Actually, Zwet called him out on AtE, which I actually agree on. Zwet also strongly agreed with my post against Archon.

[Tenchi]

While it is an AtE, such things can be null-tells, and it's a very believable post regardless of the departure point.

*sigh*

I don't know what to say since you used to prosecute me because for it (Appeal to Emotion) in our previous game.

[Tenchi]

.

I was scum.[/quote]

and Ace:

That's why I said, "I don't know what to say". Do you think AtE is a valid tell Ace?

[Tenchi]

I forgot to follow up

Wall-E: Do you think Zwet and Archon CANNOT be buddies from their exchange in page 7?

[Tenchi]

Unvote: Vote Tenchi

Wall-E reasons please.

[Tenchi]

You hurt me.

vote techni

What kind of reasoning is this? Also, I edited the post you quoted on 170.

[Tenchi]

It wasn't nice tenchi.

I don't know what "wasn't nice" in my former posts. Please explain.

Wall-e is obvious town. He's going completely nuts with blatant disregard for his partner or anyone else. Scum DEFINITELY can't afford to do this.

Unvote

Details and names please.

Blatant disregard of whom? Who's the partner? What is the thing that scum cannot afford to do?

[Tenchi]

Also, were you being sarcastic? Because, you tell us Wall-E is town, yet you unvote ME despite Wall-E voting for me.

I'm just a bit confused here.

[Tenchi]

Archon: What do you think of the dynamics between:

1. Me and Zwet
2. Wall-E and Zwet

[Tenchi]

Also, instead of typing out your schedule, you could have used that time to read the game, which isn't that long actually.

this wasn't to nice. And it felt as a personal attack to me. Just as the post of zwet (wich I thought was yours)

I'm sorry if you were offended but I meant that in the most professional way as possible.

[Tenchi]

*you and Archon and Wall-E

I still think Archon is actively lurking though. Notice that instead of commenting on other players, he is commenting on his activity.

Archon: Answering my questions on 214 may change my mind.

[Tenchi]

Current feelings:
Wall-e: I need a scumgame from him, but on this moment, his free playstyle suggests town.
Tenchi: Scum. Reacts the way I would expect on votes, brings more and more pressure on zwet.
Zwet: at least has sometimes a sentence that makes sense, I don't think we will get a lot from him though. Maybe it would even be better if he just lurked. Same effect, less noise.
Archon: not too experienced scum. Is a bit shaky, and defends aggressively sometimes.

Some questions on this:

1. Do you think I should lay off Zwet?
2. Do you think Zwet's town/scum/neutral? I noticed you didn't give a note on him and even encouraged lurking.
3. Can you elaborate how I "reacted the way you would expect on votes"? Can you site an example?
4. What do you mean that Archon is "shaky"?
5. Why do you think Wall-E's town despite you saying "The way people hop onto Zwet is doubtful. Some have valid reasons, some (Wall-e!!!) even get on it with a weakened unsure statement... "

[Tenchi]

Yep, a whole bunch of people are trolling for information.

Tell you what. Everyone post a link to one game in which you were scum.

http://sharkey.gamespite.net/forum/inde ... pic=2546.0

Honestly, nobody has ever been able to get an accurate meta-read off me. But there you go.

Question for Wall-E

You can check my Wiki page for some meta but I think I have played quite differently in each.

Which is the same reason why I won't even bother taking the same approach in figuring this out.

[Tenchi]

EBWOP: Ignore the question for Wall-E part.

[Tenchi]

*you and Archon and Wall-E

I still think Archon is actively lurking though. Notice that instead of commenting on other players, he is commenting on his activity.

Archon: Answering my questions on 214 may change my mind.

Bargaining with your vote?

It was more like trying to calm down.

Regardless, the answer my request/questions could lead us to more information.

[Tenchi]

I was a little surprised to see you claim archon. You've only got 3 votes behind your name, scared allready?

when most of us agread to NOT-claim, you felt the urge to do it, even in a not so dangerous situation.

please explain

I wanted everyone to know, and yes, I'm scared. I've been pared with a damned troll, for christ's sake. And, he dosen't seem to be helping by getting his name clear.

If you're town, you should use that additional "knowledge" that Zwet is innocent to help us solve this puzzle, instead of outright claiming.

Mod: Prod: Ortolan, MikeK

[Tenchi]

Archon PBPA:

4: Fluff on flavor; votes Zwet for some joke on Pie
5: Says he hasn't played with Zwet. And more fluff on puppies
6: Agrees to claiming.
7: Did this already:

1. Self-meta or some empty comment on sekinj, which doesn't really justify you being actively lurking on this thread.

2. More fluff

3. An unvote, which relieves pressure from zwet.

4. Fluff for Jazz

5. And more excuse to lurk.

8: Gives his schedule to defend himself on the Active Lurker accusation.

9: Reacts to AtE accusation of Zwet. No explanation.

10: Explains 9.

11: Votes for me because "I hurt him". No elaboration given

12: Tells us to wait and not to vote for Zwet.

13: Tells Ace that he's an idiot for not understanding that I'm accusing Archon of Lurking

14: Calls me and Zwet an idiot. Calls Wall-E as somebody who wants to be in the game, and that I'm in the way.

15: Ignores GregoryN saying "I didn;t even know you were in this game...". Calls me an idiot again.

16: Typo fix.

17: Fluff on Looker

18: Softclaims Lovers with "a gay troll"

19: Justifies his hostility by saying: "Did you not notice that he (Tenchi) attacked me for lurking at 12 in the morning, on a Sunday night?"

20: Admits he's scared, paired with zwet.

21: Three dots

22: Calls zwet an idiot

23: Calls himself erratic as part of his meta. Explains his Zwet vote. Notes that there could not be bussing and distancing is not viable tactics for scum at this point.

24: Fluff.

================================

Note these things:

1. He agreed for the mass-claim. Did not even explain why.

2. Fluffing constantly. Gives him the activity he needs to avoid being prodded and suspected of being absent-minded from the game.

3. OMGUSing me.

4. WIFOM on scum tactics: See post 23. I do believe bussing/distancing is a viable tactic in a game of association. The trick here for town is pushing bounderies to see where true alliances lie.

5. Lack of scum-hunting/voicing his suspicions. See PBPA above. Aside from calling several people idiots, and his OMGUS on me, who are his suspects?

6. Lack of association with Zwet to validate claim. I feel that as his lover, seeing Zwet under heavy suspicion, that he should have (subtly) saved him, instead of outright claiming.

7:

See Page 7.

Also an elaboration on the point above: Archon shouldn't have been shocked/confused/calling him an idiot on Zwet since they can talk about it via PM. I SMELL DISTANCING.

GUYS VOTE ARCHON

VOTE: Archon

I smell other people as the polygamists. And it's not Wall-E, Ace and Mikek.

[Tenchi]

@Tenchi: Why didn't you ask the mod to prod PieIsPopcorn? What do you think about your earlier claim Archon + zwet cannot be buddies together, now?

1. On Pie: I forgot. It was midnight here and I haven't slept for a while. :\

2. On Archon/Zwet Claim: See my previous post. I think distancing is a very viable tactic, and that's how I see Page 7 upon rereading it.

[Tenchi]

BTW: For reference. This post (and the discussion onwards) changed my stance on distancing/bussing:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 33#1614633

[Tenchi]

why do you not think Wall-e, mikek and I aren't polygamists

I'm rethinking that actually but they are at the bottom of my list. Wall-E for his activity. MikeK for his latest post.

[Tenchi]

You know what, I'm not going to rule out anybody entirely. I have to do more reviews.

I still stand by my Archon case above.

[Tenchi]

Which parts do you disagree with Wall-E? Elaborate.

What gives you a pro-town Archon read? Elaborate.

(Note guys I will piss off two other people we don't know if Archon is scum)

[Tenchi]

Before I say anything else, I want all people to respond to my proposal.

Also, NO CLAIMING until everyone responds.

[Tenchi]

Wall-e, does Tenchi know that he is slightly known for pushing weak cases?

Who told you that?

As I said before, my meta knowledge of Tenchi is that he's more hesitant as town to push a case. I'm waiting to see how he reacts to my previous post.

This is a lie. Despite me being completely wrong, inthe game I played with Wall-E I STRONGLY pushed for cases. One on D1 and a few on D2. Please stop judging me based on meta. Focus on this game.

[Tenchi]

Wall-E, can you "defend" Archon based on THIS game? Do you think my accusations of him are valid? Especially my points on him constantly fluffing and not scum hunting and OMGUSing?

Also, please address 292.

(I will address Archon when everybody has reacted on the case I presented.)

[Tenchi]

maybe he is allways playing like that, town or scum.

Tenchi: are you sure archon is scum?
Why do you want to lynch him allready?

1. Not 100%. I can never be. But I am pretty certain. Of course, I need the help of six other players to review my case before a lynch actually passes. If six people are strongly hesitant on my case, a lynch would never pass and of course I would rethink my case. For now, I think he is still scum, despite his attempts to attack me with a misguided PBPA (will elaborate on this later) and his explanations hasn't been adequate (or you could judge his explanations yourself).

2. I felt a sense of urgency because this game has almost stood to a standstill, and I again felt that something has to be done. WE HAVE TO FISH FOR ASSOCIATIONS AND SEE WHO IS WILLING TO DEFEND WHOM. If we all keep silent, we will have nothing to go on in case we are wrong.

Mod: Prod Jazzmyn

[Tenchi]

Bolding my replies too.

GUYS VOTE ARCHON

I don't think rushing to lynch is pro-town. We have only been playing a week, and have two weeks until deadline.

Tenchi: Then don't rush. But I definitely want to rush my case getting addressed by everyone here. We can't take more than week a discussing this. Unless we find some good tangent.

(Note guys I will piss off two other people we don't know if Archon is scum)

Are you telling us to be suspicious of people defending Archon/zwet being their scum partners? Well, maybe, but this is confirmation bias somewhat, isn't it? Also slightly OMGUS-y as you just got voted by such a person.

Tenchi: That's half of the story. However, I will 100% back off if five-six people are not willing to do it. There is only four scum. So far the defense of Archon is strongly based on meta, so I will continue pushing it.

Before I say anything else, I want all people to respond to my proposal.

Which proposal?

Tenchi: The Archon vote.

[Tenchi]

and BTW, now we still have no answer from Archon/zwet about the case on them. Wall-e, if you are not scum, you should really do something about your timing...

and I hoped you wouldn't do too crazy things...

Archon has addressed the case on him already.

And Zwet called it a "big misrep" on 299.

I don't know what Wall-E is up to. :\

[Tenchi]

Replies in Bold

s

Archon: What do you think of the dynamics between:

1. Me and Zwet
2. Wall-E and Zwet

The context of me asking this question is when Zwet was in the middle of the argument on Zwet, and that I feel there was little discussion.

*you and Archon and Wall-E

I still think Archon is actively lurking though. Notice that instead of commenting on other players, he is commenting on his activity.

Archon: Answering my questions on 214 may change my mind.

Bargaining with your vote?

Agreed this is odd and may be a possible cue to scumbuddy. Wall-E gains a townpoint for the observation.

Did you note my response to Wall-E on this? http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 87#1620187

.

I was waiting to see if I could quote my PM, but Ser did not aswer, and instead told me to just reveal who my lover is.

I'll give you a hint. I'm in love with a gay troll, who likes to post random things such as "WAKACHAKAI! ALOHA MUUMUU" and "COMMUNIST REVOLUTION! DUCK AND COVER!!!"

Oh, and my lovely gay troll, I don't give a shit weather or not you like it that I released the info that you are my partner.

This is anti-town. Ironically though, it strongly decreases for me the likelihood that they are scum. It's hard to see either of these players being coordinated enough to pull a gambit like this off as scum, especially including the implied resentment between them.

What is the gambit here? Take note that the polygamists should be able to talk outside this thread to coordinate.

ATTN all, I am a secret role that is not listed in the opening post. My true role name is Hitler Motivator. One of you is (unbeknownst to you) Adolf Hitler, chosen randomly by the mod, and every night I must choose one of you to see if you are hitler or not. I am not interested in your petty squabbles, since I am in fact a time traveller from the distant future. If you are hitler I immediately turn you into a suicide cult recruiter, satisfy my win condition, and win the game.

I agree with Wall-E- this may simply be zwet trying to deliberately act like his usual eccentric self, in order to give the impression of not being scum.

Or you are using that to deliberately ignore his actions since you are the third polygamist. Regardless, eccentricity is NOT a town-tell. It's null to say the least.

Some questions on this:

1. Do you think I should lay off Zwet?
2. Do you think Zwet's town/scum/neutral? I noticed you didn't give a note on him and even encouraged lurking.
3. Can you elaborate how I "reacted the way you would expect on votes"? Can you site an example?
4. What do you mean that Archon is "shaky"?
5. Why do you think Wall-E's town despite you saying "The way people hop onto Zwet is doubtful. Some have valid reasons, some (Wall-e!!!) even get on it with a weakened unsure statement... "

Again I hate Tenchi asking for other people's attitudes towards him and zwet. It is still viable he's lovers with zwet (and therefore Archon also) and is particularly concerned about whether or not he appears to be linked to his scumbuddy.

If you think Archon is scum then why not vote for him? I asked the first question because Mykonian said that I am pressuring Zwet, and thinks I am scum for it. You took my post out of context.

@ortolan: Why were you so defensive of zwet in your big post?

I get town reads from him individually. I see a viable scumpairing including him in it though (see above).

Elaborate on your town reads. Do not use meta

I voted for zwet because everyone else was random voting people too. I wanted to separate myself from zwet for some reason. He's a troll, of course, and I didn't... I don;t know. I just voted for him because I wanted to. Not quite sure actually...

I would like to take this opportunity to point out that there can be no busing, and that separating ones-self from another would not be a good tactic for mafia in this setup.

Um yes but it also makes no sense as town- if you are town then you

know

one hundred percent that zwet is town. Why would you have distanced?

284-285 substantially decreases likelihood of Tenchi-zwet-Archon polygamist group. Unfortunately this doesn't help Tenchi, because one of the main points against this was the townie bias I have towards zwet-Archon, all things considered- I still don't think they'd be able to pull off that fakeclaim that Archon made.

What fakeclaim? Why do you have a Townie bias on Archon-Zwet? Again, kindly explain, without using meta, how Zwet/Archon is town.

Archon is town:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

Modkilled in this game for claiming that the mod gave him permission to quote a PM the mod accidentally sent him describing the scum setup.

...

This agrees with my perceptions of Archon. Wall-E gets townpoints.

You agree to defending Archon based on a previous game? What do you think of his behaviour on THIS game? Stop defending him based on meta.

1. Not 100%. I can never be. But I am pretty certain. Of course, I need the help of six other players to review my case before a lynch actually passes. If six people are strongly hesitant on my case, a lynch would never pass and of course I would rethink my case. For now, I think he is still scum, despite his attempts to attack me with a misguided PBPA (will elaborate on this later) and his explanations hasn't been adequate (or you could judge his explanations yourself).

"If I push scummy cases it's ok because they'll never get through because townies will stop me!"

No. It means:

1. I value your opinion.
2. I am not 100% sure. That is why I am being objective here. If you can prove that Archon is town, by not referencing his meta, then good.

Wall-E needs to explain the rationale/reasoning behind his scum-claim though. Archon is town.

And you need to explain why Archon is town.

[Tenchi]

Ortolan: You have also effectively ignored my case against Archon. What points are valid, what are not?

[Tenchi]

I will be replying to Archon now. I will remove the quote tag.

How else was I suposed to save myself!? You wanted an answer, I gave you one.

You were to address the issues on Zwet, but instead you ignored them.

I didn't need to explain anything because I had nothing to explain

You acted surprised with Zwet's accusation. The more pressing issue here is that you could have discussed this via PM/QT if you are confused with what Zwet was doing.

Your reasonings. You stated on the post quoted inside this one that "I could have used the time posting to help the game" whilst you were the one who attacked me in teh first place for lurking in the middle of the night. also, that schedule was the entire weekend. not friday.

I meant that in the most professional way as I can. Also,I have retracted the attack on your schedule. I get it you are busy, but I don't get your constant fluffing and lack of scum hunting. See my PBPA.

And yet you completley cut out me answering your post right here.

Then let me quote your reply: "Becuase your attacking me on it, Idiot. Now stop being so damn contradictory before I begin to swear." That was useful.

Aparently everyhting must be spelt out to you. I am in for claiming because it will tell us who is with whom, thus saying that when we lynch one person, we will know who the other person who will die will be.

But why would you want to claim early in the game? You obviously did not read Mikek's post on the pros and cons of claiming, which justifies your lack of attention in this game.

How dare I act human!

I don't mind you fluffing. I got used to that with Wall-E. The thing is, about 50% of your posts when I did my PBPA was fluff, and you have never mentioned who you thought was scum. Right now even, you are basing your scum suspects on who is voting for you, instead of checking their reasons on being in or out of your wagon.

An OMGUS driven attack, with points, mind you.

You haven't even got to 15% of what I posted, and you do a PBPA on pre-game posts. Do you think that has points?

I'm scum hunting you, idiot!

Then who do you think is scum, and why? Why don't you react to every person in this game, and not just those voting for you?

Nothing I do is orthodox.

Again, being unorthodox is a null-tell to say the least.

A blantant try to attack a person with a good record has failed. see Wall-E's post.

Wall-E's reasons for defending you at that time was: I read Archon town." He didn't elaborate on it.

Big things jump at me from this post. The first of which is that Techni is trying to put his foot on the ceiling, and get it to stay. He can't find a case for me, and completely ignores the answers to the questions he poses at me.

Or maybe I am leaving for others to judge it. I have addressed the other replies you have here though, although "being busy" is not an excuse for fluffing and posting without you voicing your suspicions on anyone (at least at that time).

He is also attempting to get a bandwagon going on minimal evidence. Also, he can't understand the meaning of "busy," as well as the fact that I have for multiple times tried to explain both the meaning and why I am so.

See above.

[Tenchi]

"I smell other people as polygamists. And it's now Wall-E Ace or Mikek"
What the heck is this suposed to mean, and how does it not scream Scum?

I took that back here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 70#1622470

I am not ruling Wall-E, Ace, Mikek (call it neutral?). Although I'm leaning towards some people as polygamists.

[Tenchi]

I will address specific posts over the weekend,

but since I am currently voting for zwet and he and Archon are now claiming to be partners (and since I believe it more likely that they are 2 of the scum team than 2 lovers), it makes perfect sense to:

Unvote: zwet
Vote: Archon

Regards,
Jazz

There is no sence in this post. I have never, ever seen Jazz do this before, but for some reason, she is. She claims to be busy (I can understand completley) but then she says the bolded part. She looks like she is attempting to make it look like she was actually doing something, but just really was reading Techi's posts and voting for me as she is scum with Techni IMO.[/quote]

I want this addressed by Jazz.

[Tenchi]

Firstly, and this is totally aside from the game itself, can we not do the responding with bold inside a quote thing, please? I find it really hard to follow, and respond to.

Tenchi, my response to your 'proposal' is: I will vote for Archon if and when I am convinced he is scum, and I'm not going to be bullied or cajoled into rushing such a decision. This game is not "at a standstill", we've had over 100 posts in the last 3 days or so.

Sorry for the bolding thing. But I will do it only for those extra long posts.

I am not rushing you here, but we need to ask questions NOW. If we don't agree here, we need to have the time to discuss other suspects.

Wall-E's fake claim is a bad joke and unimportant. What does require explanation is how he goes in the space of 24 hours from totally disagreeing with Tenchi's case on Archon (to the point of calling Tenchi scum for pushing it), to apparently agreeing with it enough to vote for Archon. What's changed?

My sentiments at the issue too. Wall-E address please.

[Tenchi]

I mangled the 355 quotes.

I still want you to elaborate on your vote Jazz.

[Tenchi]

Mod: If Pie doesn't pick up his prod by tomorrow, can he be replaced?

[Tenchi]

Note that those five posts were addressing five different people. If I put them into one post, it would just be a bit harder to read.

[Tenchi]

EBWOP: I mean four people.

[Tenchi]

I hope I fixed the mangled quote tags in your post:

Then restate them (the case against Archon).

I will restate them in the following quote, with your defense from what I understand:

1. He agreed for the mass-claim. Did not even explain why.

You believe that a mass-claim pros outweigh the cons; which I believe was in the context of Mikek's post. On closer analysis, you should note that you didn't note WHEN the claim would be. However, the way you chimed in, I would assume you wanted to claim on the first few pages of the game.

2. Fluffing constantly. Gives him the activity he needs to avoid being prodded and suspected of being absent-minded from the game.

You call me a hypocrite since I fluffed early on. Note that when I made my PBPA, more than 50% of your posts were fluff. My fluff posts were either pre-game or were two/three of the fifty posts I had by that time. I have every right of accusing you of fluffing, and I think I have proof that you would continue your posting habits had I not called you out of it.

3. OMGUSing me.

You say with reasons, and I will mention these reasons as I continue with this post. However, I should also not that your FoS list also reeks of OMGUS since it consists of people voting for you, except Wall-E.

4. WIFOM on scum tactics: See post 23. I do believe bussing/distancing is a viable tactic in a game of association. The trick here for town is pushing bounderies to see where true alliances lie.

You didn't comment on this. I have to note that other people have been guilty of this as well. I forgot who.

5. Lack of scum-hunting/voicing his suspicions. See PBPA above. Aside from calling several people idiots, and his OMGUS on me, who are his suspects?

You say you never, ever scum hunt as your meta. Also, you mention that you are scum hunting right now. I would appreciate more effort here. I still feel that you are just saying things instead of doing them. And the PBPA of ten posts that included pre-game fluffery on California doesn't count as scum-hunting.

6. Lack of association with Zwet to validate claim. I feel that as his lover, seeing Zwet under heavy suspicion, that he should have (subtly) saved him, instead of outright claiming.

You claim that you are unorthodox. However, unorthodoxy is not a town-tell. Only a null-tell to say the least. Therefore, it is not enough to erase my suspicions that you and Zwet are polygamits with somebody else. Also, you cannot use meta for a non-meta accusation.

7: See Page 7. Also an elaboration on the point above: Archon shouldn't have been shocked/confused/calling him an idiot on Zwet since they can talk about it via PM. I SMELL DISTANCING.

You have mentioned twice now that you have not used pillow talk (or not a big fan of it). This still doesn't erase the fact that you both have a lack of interaction that would validate your claim.

[Tenchi]

Instead of crossing out something in a quote, how about you say "I retract the attack on your schedule?" I completely thought you were just re-stating the non-crossed out portion.

I was restating the non-crossed out portion (again, meant as professional as possible) and was retracting the accusation on you schedule. Though valid as your schedule sounds, it still doesn't excuse you from the constant fluffery from that point.

Aparently everyhting must be spelt out to you. I am in for claiming because it will tell us who is with whom, thus saying that when we lynch one person, we will know who the other person who will die will be.

Tenchi: But why would you want to claim early in the game? You obviously did not read Mikek's post on the pros and cons of claiming, which justifies your lack of attention in this game.

I did read the post, and as I posted earlier, I believe the pros outweigh the cons. And you blame me for not reading.

I think the issue here was timing.

So I ask you this, when is the best time to claim?

I implore you to look at the first five pages of your posts, and tell me you don't fluff.

I did. However, most of my fluff was before everybody has confirmed. Also, my posts were 95% content when this game started. Your record says otherwise.

if you can attack me on an argument made up of me "fluffing," then I can make up an argument of your "pre-game" posts.

My attack on you is not only fluffing. That's the least of your concerns (tip of the iceberg). The worst part here is your association with Zwet and your lack of scum hunting and your constant OMGUSing. Don't strawman.

I'm scum hunting you, idiot!

Tenchi: Then who do you think is scum, and why? Why don't you react to every person in this game, and not just those voting for you?

Becasue of two reasons. I can't investigate ever single person in this game, and two, I AM SCUM HUNTING YOU IDIOT! You are my primary investigation! You can't be that nieve, can you!?

I understand that. But aside from (1) your PBPA on my pre-game posts and (2) FoS's on everyone who has voted for you (again reeking OMGUS), what have you done to scum-hunt?

You should have some opinion on the other people in this game. For instance, what do you think of this recent exchange between Wall-E and Mykonian?

And where did I want it to tell anything except that I'm bizarre?

You make Zwet look like a puppy. And Wall-E like an angel.

<3<3<3 to everyone!!!

A blantant try to attack a person with a good record has failed. see Wall-E's post.

Tenchi:Wall-E's reasons for defending you at that time was: I read Archon town." He didn't elaborate on it.

Yes he did!

No he didn't. He posted the huge meta-defense for you AFTER you have said the above statement. You don't have a clear, "good record" in the game as you would like to assume.

you improved, and that positively surprised me. BTW, I lynched because you refused to answer questions, that makes me think you had no answers. BTW, ongoing game, but now I know you, in other games I also adjusted my play to you. I only hope you won't become someone like archon, or zwet, that are proud of their playstyle, and keep it bad.

I know I'm not really complete here, but I didn't lynch you because I didn't like you or something. If you want to talk more about this, it is fine, but of course you've got to understand that talking about ongoing games is a bit tricky.

I don't positivley think of my playstyle as bad. Just unique.

You are totally lost. He was talking to Looker at that quote.

I defended Archon because I believed him to be town.

I voted him to see what the reaction would be.

The joke was a joke, both partially to see how Archon would react and test my meta on him and to see how the town reacted to the possibility of his lynch.

I unvoted Archon because I still think he's town.

So thats it? Just a bunch of reactionary steps taken to try to get reactions?
Dude, that is so.. cruel.

Cruel for scum.

I thought it was clever.

Damnit! it's like arguing liberals! (sorry to the democrats out there)
Your doing the al gore "The debate is over" type thing. STOP IT DAMNIT!

You should be careful with this kind of comment. Please don't do it again.

archon is town. You are a lying balless monkey.

Not helping! Are you trying to get us lynched?

If you are both town, you better start pillow-talking.

[Tenchi]

I add an Eighth point to the Archon case

8. Asking me to claim. A claim at that point would have left me nowhere to run because:

A. It would have given more info for scum to bus me.
B. I was not close to being lynched
C. It is a breaching of the consensus made early-game not to claim early D1.

[Tenchi]

Looker: Who do you think are polygamists with Archon/Zwet?

[Tenchi]

But now is the question, would Town-Wall-e make that play just as often as scum-Wall-e?

I hate basing defense/accusations on meta. All I know right now is he is crazy/unorthodox. I won't hold his actions against him and I'll just get whatever I can get from it. It's still in-game information.

Were his actions scummy? Sorta yes. (For me, Wall-E is crazy like that.)
Were his explanations valid? That's what I'm thinking about right now.

[Tenchi]

Wall-E, rather than a PBPA where you accuse me of pointing out possible scummy connections and (correctly) advocating a delayed massclaim, you should explain this post:

Post 341 means that Wall-E and Looker cannot credibly claim to be lovers, so that can't be the scumteam.

Unvote: Vote mikek

Guys, this game is over. Mikek is the scum, and he's just lost for his team.

You posted this 24 hours ago and still haven't given any explanation whatsoever. Instead you're grasping at straws trying to find something to justify that bizarre vote.

Mike, Wall-E has written a PBPA against you:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 00#1627700

[Tenchi]

Let's be objective here.

Wall-E: What have you learned in your recent "gambit". I understand you were fishing for reactions. What jumped out to you?

[Tenchi]

If its pointless, I'm assuming it should be short, neat and clean.

Go for it.

[Tenchi]

EBWOP

you improved, and that positively surprised me. BTW, I lynched because you refused to answer questions, that makes me think you had no answers. BTW, ongoing game, but now I know you, in other games I also adjusted my play to you. I only hope you won't become someone like archon, or zwet, that are proud of their playstyle, and keep it bad.

I know I'm not really complete here, but I didn't lynch you because I didn't like you or something. If you want to talk more about this, it is fine, but of course you've got to understand that talking about ongoing games is a bit tricky.

I don't positivley think of my playstyle as bad. Just unique.

You are totally lost. He was talking to Looker at that quote.

<3<3<3<3<3
LOVE!

[Tenchi]

Ortolan is not my baby.

[Tenchi]

who is gonna claim next?

claimed

Mykonian: not lovers with looker
AceMarksman: not lovers with archon
Looker:Not lovers with tenchi
Tenchi: not lovers with ortolan

Ace: Can we be fair about this whole thing? I mean its pretty obvious you cannot be in a threesome with Archon.

Claim somebody else.

[Tenchi]

no, days going on and on and on are not good, the town talks it's self out of good ideas.

then again, this game is nightless...

Well we can go here...

But I do think we have a shot of winning this. We just have to start talking.

[Tenchi]

EBWOP: We can go here...

[Tenchi]

Pause. Do we want Ace to claim again?

No.

Don't claim someone new.

I was trying to be fair here. But I have no problems if nobody else wants him to claim a new one.

[Tenchi]

I don't understand what's to be gained from this, but I'm interested in seeing what Wall-E comes up with. Gregory is not my lover.

Well for one, my original foursome I was thinking about is now wrong.

I am speculating Mykonian/Ortolan/Zwet/Archon as the polygamists for quite some time and this soft-claim series just destroyed my case.

(For a quick overview, Mykonian and Ortolan were two of the more pushy against my Archon case.)

Will think some more.

[Tenchi]

And that actually tells me that (at least) one honest townie is against it. I will review your reasons for being against the Archon case.

This suggestion is actually good for us.

[Tenchi]

Looker: I had a question for you.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 45#1628845

Please address.

[Tenchi]

I am not lovers with mikek.

Regards,
Jazz

Too much active lurking Jazz.

What parts of the Archon case do you agree with? Who do you think is scum with Archon/Zwet?

[Tenchi]

Hey guys, it ain't weekend yet. I would like to here more from zwet, archon and jazz.

Some real profesional lurking here

what? I just posted. Jazz though is definitley needing to post more.

Not to push suspicion of me to her.

If you got to say something, just say it.

The bold part is just being passive-aggressive about Jazz.

[Tenchi]

Which means Zwet is not Partners with Pie (shocker)

Round one of claims is over. And I still have questions for Looker and Jazz unanswered.

[Tenchi]

Looker: I had a question for you.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 45#1628845

Please address.

Crap, my bad. I was thinking you but I'll have to see what results from all of this.. ...

Our initial claiming is over. What makes you think I'm scum with Archon? I read some of your reasoning here (http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 07#1623907) and I think they are heavily circumstantial (bordering absurd).

[Tenchi]

accusing = speculating heavily

Oh god, let this not be a semantic war.

Whatever it meant, he had (at least) thoughts of me and Archon being scum together. I want to know if those reasons stay, lessened or had become stronger.

[Tenchi]

Yeah... because all of my behavior in this and past games point to me being passive agressive.

1. I hope you know what passive aggressive means.
2. A Meta defense is not helping you.

I have played with Jazz before, and I would like to play with her more. thus, I want her to post more.

Then you should just have said just that. Saying "Not to push suspicion of me to her." make me think that your suspicions of her are contrived.

Do I need to post my schedule again, or is this fine?

We had enough self-meta from you this entire game, thank you. And besides, what would that prove?

[Tenchi]

Let's continue the use of metaphors here:

Archon is like a highschool student who was given an assignment to define what a moron is because the teacher tells him, "You know what, I think you are a moron. Look it up."

"Of course I'm a moron!", the student answers. "I looked it up in Wikipedia! Here it is!", giving the teacher the copy-pasted paper without even bothering to read it.

===================

Why would you need to say "Not to push suspicion of me to her."?

Nobody was calling you out on pushing suspicion on her, and yet you had to say that very defensive statement. You know what I think, you are afraid of getting your neck out there in case Jazz comes back and whoops your ass. I know you almost don't care about Zwet (with your claims of the lack of pillow-talk) but I think, with your that cautious passive aggressive statement, that you are protecting other people who you are pissing off with your current gameplay.

And the worse thing is, you are aware of it and you are not bothering to deal with it.

[Tenchi]

Wall-e:Mik:Ace:Tenchi scumteam

Where did this come from? Note: connections aren't really scummy in a polygamist game.

Connections could be scummy. (Connections could go 50:50 for me, except for those who are already claimed, in which additional connections are scummy.)

The question here is what comprises those connections. Do they agree on a suspect? And most especially, how are they defending each other?

Personally, I think that foursome fails. I'm sure Wall-E and mikek would say something how that fails.

[Tenchi]

I can't because (I think) you based your foursome on everyone who has agreed with me at some point. From my POV, these people are neutral to pro-town.

Oh the other hand, I cannot speak for Wall-E or mikek. But I think they can tell, from their POV, why it fails.

If you have read the thread, it should be a bit obvious. But I won't speak for them. I am still deliberating on that exchange.

[Tenchi]

Wrong. My foursome is based on the references the four of you make to each other, not the peole agreeing with you. The fact that the other three have agreed with you at some point adds validity to my theory.

Can you cite those references?

[Tenchi]

he said, while slinging mud...

Well, I can't resist slinging mud when there is an invitation.

But as long as Techni stops, I'm done.

REMINDER TO SELF: DONT FEED THE TROLL.

Bottomline: Passive-aggressive behavior noted.

[Tenchi]

mikek: Can you please summarize your case against Wall-E, if there is one?
Wall-E: Can you please summarize your case against mikek, if there is one?

(Link backs would be awesome, but I suggest filtering out stuff that has been done already, or adding stuff that need be added.)

I am still waiting for stuff from Looker and Jazzmyn.

[Tenchi]

Even if you stayed voting zwetschenwasser, it would have the same effect.
Lynching zwetschenwasser would obviously take his partner down with him,
so switching votes had no meaning to it whatsoever.
People that did switch their votes are probably only voting to seem active, etc.

The timeline was this

1. Zwet was suspicious early on
2. People voted for Zwet
3. Then I noticed Archon was suspicious
4. Archon claimed lovers with Zwet
5. Some people "checked" my case on Archon and it "made sense" that they could be scum together
6. The voters switched to make a lynch happen

(Note the quotation marks on 5. I am still waiting on the secondary reasons from Jazz and Looker.)

I don't think people are suspicious on changing their votes from Zwet to Archon. However, how they "checked" the case is what I am still waiting for.

[Tenchi]

I am still waiting for stuff from Looker and Jazzmyn.

Stuff, you speak of stuff. Of what stuff are you speaking?

Are you doing this on purpose? Because your lack of attention is even worse than Archon's.

You promised to answer my questions after the NOT-claims:

1. http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 41#1633841 (Who is scum with Archon/Zwet)
2. http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 70#1633870 (Kindly elaborate on your Archon/Zwet/Tenchi theory)

I am still waiting on the secondary reasons from Jazz and Looker.)

Secondary? What was wrong with the first?

The first reasons were mine. I am wondering if you have anything to add to the case, or if you are content with the case presented and if anything changed in the past few days.

Vote: Wall-e

"Makes sense" (note the quotation marks) to me

Are you being sarcastic here? Or do you agree with the Wall-E case? Why aren't you voting for him?

[Tenchi]

In other news, that PBPA is completely unconvincing BS.

Which PBPA? Why do you call it BS?

[Tenchi]

Talk about a wagon.

Either I'm the only Townie not on this lynch, or we are waiting for a hammer.

Zeenon or anyone, can you please unvote for the meantime? I am busy with another game and I really want to review Wall-E's post with a clear head. Can you give me time?

[Tenchi]

I am still waiting for reasons from Jazz, an answer from Looker and Ace's reasons for voting Wall-E.

Wall-E can you elaborate on what led you to the Jazzmyn conclusion?

[Tenchi]

Mod: Please prod/replace Jazz.

[Tenchi]

Archon, what do you think of mikek's case on Wall-E and Wall-E's corndog reply? What about the current events on this page?

[Tenchi]

Archon, what do you think of mikek's case on Wall-E and Wall-E's corndog reply? What about the current events on this page?

No. you first.

"No." is not a logical response to a request for opinion. You can say, "I'd rather deign not to reply," but then I'd ask you, "why not?" and we'd go round and round...

Why not just give Tenchi the information he requested?

Just answer Archon. If you have nothing to hide, it shouldn't be a problem.

[Tenchi]

Pseudo Vote Count:

Tenchi(2) - Archon, ortolan

Jazzmyn(1) - Wall-E

Archon(4) - Tenchi, Looker, Jazzmyn

Wall-E(5/6) - mykonian, Gregory, mikek, Zwet, Ace, [Zeenon]

[Tenchi]

I had to wait for some pillow talk.

Gimme a few minutes.

[Tenchi]

Looker is scum. WAIT BRB.

ARCHON I LOVE YOU AND YOUR INNOCENT. FOR REAL.

[Tenchi]

LOOKER IS SCUM

1. My partner and I are kinda disagreeing (well I thought we still were on Zwet/Archon). My partner now thinks that Archon is town which brings me to...
2. I'm softclaiming: MY PARTNER IS VOTING FOR WALL-E. (Which means, if a Wall-E lynch will push through, I'm the only one reluctant to do something.) So... [Tenchi] soft-vote.
3. Archon will vote with Zwet. [Archon] softvote
4. Zeenon unvoted. [Zeenon] softvote.
5. Given five votes on Wall-E, only three townies is not on the wagon if Wall-E is scum: ARCHON, TENCHI and ZEENON.
6. Which implies that JAZZ, WALL-E, LOOKER, ORTOLAN are the polygamists.
7. But wait! There's more! See below...

PSEUDO VOTE COUNT

TOWNIES:

Wall-E(5/8) - mykonian, Gregory, mikek, zwetschenwasser, AceMarksman, [Archon], [Tenchi], [Zeenon]

SCUMMIES:

Ortolan/Jazzmyn/Wall-E/Looker

You know what doesn't fit here?

Looker is negotiating the lynch of Wall-E.

I will vote for Wall-E. I promise.

Which means, Looker and Wall-E cannot be scum, and I do believe that Looker is confident that his/her scum partners is on the Wall-E wagon and will cause a mislynch.

General scummy things they did, notes for me:

Ortolan - defended Archon.
Wall-E - just plain crazy
Looker - bloodthristy for lynch. Both Archon's and now Wall-E's
Jazzmyn - gone

lurking

fishing

NOT LOVERS LIST

mykonian: not lovers with Looker
AceMarksman: not lovers with Archon
Looker:Not lovers with Tenchi
Tenchi: not lovers with ortolan
Wall-E: not lovers with AceMarksman
Gregory: not lovers with Jazzmyn
mikek: not lovers with Gregory
ortolan: not lovers with mykonian
Archon: not lovers with Wall-E
Jazzmyn: not lovers with mikek
Zwet: not lovers with ZeeNON
ZeeNON: not lovers with Zwet

VOTE: LOOKER

[Tenchi]

EBWOP: Which means, Looker and Wall-E cannot be scum

together

, and I do believe that Looker is confident that his/her scum partners is on the Wall-E wagon and will cause a mislynch.

[Tenchi]

get tenchi or archon to hammer

Additional proof: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 01#1640201

[Tenchi]

No, silly lover. Vote walle, as you think that he's also in the poly group.

Zwet, if youre town, this is the ONLY time you have to read carefully. I beg you.

[Tenchi]

grr...qft...

but TENCHIIIII! where did you go, dude? wtf are you talking about?

Read the case. And defend yourself properly instead of fluffing.

I'll be here.

[Tenchi]

TOWN: I know its a bit of a mental exercise but you have to think of FOURs now. What is the current lynch implying?

[Tenchi]

Don't strawman me. I'm watching.

1. Wall-E is innocent. (9/12 people voting for him)
2. A Wall-E vote implies a polygamist group of: JAZZ, WALL-E, LOOKER, ORTOLAN
3. A Wall-E vote implies a townie group of: mykonian, Gregory, mikek, zwetschenwasser, AceMarksman, [Archon], [Tenchi], [Zeenon]
4. You are negotiating for your partners lynch (if we take #2 as true)
5. You cannot be bussing your "partner" Wall-E, especially a hammer.
6. There is something wrong with number 2 (taking #4 and #5).
7. I think you are scum for being "certain" with a Wall-E lynch.

[Tenchi]

Then who is scum then? Well we do know for sure scum is on the Wall-E wagon.

And I can deduce that Wall-E/Jazz/Looker/Ortolan are not scum together, well at least Wall-E and Looker.

[Tenchi]

Zwet, does a:

Wall-E/Jazz/Looker/Ortolan

scumteam make sense?

[Tenchi]

It's time, looker. Vote walle. Tenchi, no, your pairing makes no sense at all.

Then why are you voting for Wall-E?

Vote: Looker

[Tenchi]

Unvote, Vote: Looker

[Tenchi]

/out (too busy, sorry)

Some thoughts though.

1. Archon, I hope you don't bear grudges on the whole game. Do understand that I had the purest intention on trying to scumhunt. Although I was trying to help our cause, you trying to be uncooperative when I gave you the chance to answer questions didn't really help in clearing yourself in my book. I hope that you learned a lesson that not all people who find you suspicious is automatically a bad person, or even scum. I apologize if I said some things that you felt inappropriate, but again, I meant that at the most professional way as I can. I take these games seriously (maybe too seriously) and I think you have to adjust a bit to accommodate those kind of people by answering properly and not ostracizing them by calling them "idiots".

2. Zwet, when I started this game, you really caused a stir and had a lot of negative feedback in the community regarding your style of play (even outside this game). I must commend you for behaving this time around. I thought your gameplay was... bearable. I think you will go far as you learn how to answer and elaborate on your one sentence answers/suspicions.

3. Ace was a good partner to have. He shared his thoughts and opinions and was very active in terms of pillow talk. He also got my back when I was in bad situations and he was active when I was gone. Also, he was very fun to talk to.

4. Scum, you won this game from my POV. I only got Ortolan but he was a secondary suspect to the other "suspects" that I want to lynch.

5. You may post our Quicktopic.

6. Seraphim, thanks for putting up with the craziness and I do hope you get a good game rolling. If you have trouble getting a replacement, I suggest rerunning your game to the Queue to get replacement players.

[Tenchi]

MORE ACE <3 <3 <3