Mini 833 - Empire at War(The game is over?)

[Starbuck]

RVS time!

Vote:Jebus

[Starbuck]

@MacavityLock - Why are you letting stuff that happened in a previous game bleed into this game?

[Starbuck]

/sigh at the inactivity that is occurring already

No posts yet from the following:

dothefandango
Santos
Jebus
RestFermata

[Starbuck]

Well, that would be fine except since Sajin was scum in your last game, does that not make it much more likely he is not in this one?

I took this quote as sarcasm. Although it is tough to read intent over the internet, but that's how it read for me. MacavityLock does make a few good points in post 33.


I could see where at statement like that could bug someone (BloodCovenent, aka BC), and I do think xRECKONERX, aka xRx's vote on Krer is unwarranted based on that statement alone.

But I think Kreriov got very overdefensive about both of these things, and I'm not liking his ad hom attacks:

Either you have not bothered to read the context leading up to it or you are just trying to stir the pot, hopefully to spur discussion.

As for the asking a question part, you are failing in your logic and/or proper English comprehension.

Are you not reading my replies or are you deliberately 'misunderstanding' them for some reason?

Are you purposely condescending? Please stop.

Sorry ma'am. Oh, and by the way, you are wrong.

Oh, and once again I have to correct you.

Ok, you are lying once again.

This one bothers me and is not necessary at all to even joke about this type of thing:

Hey RestFermia, when did you stop beating your wife?

Also, I do not believe that you had the following in mind when you posted it:

It was intended to generate discussion and it has succeeded.

,

I think you were just being sarcastic and others have used it to generate discussion, you did not.

[Starbuck]

Also please note that Jebus has still not entered the game.

[Starbuck]

Mod: Please prod Jebus as he has yet to post anything.

ROFL @ me. I posted the above in my Magic the Gathering: Parallel Universe game by accident instead of posting it here.

[Starbuck]

ohi, I didn't even realize this was open yet. It was closed for like, 5 days after I got my PM.

Will post, hold on. For the moment,

Vote: Starbuck

Watched Topics ftw?


So you jump in and vote me because I noticed your absence?


Some reasons would be nice, kthnxbai!

[Starbuck]

My original vote on Jebus was just RVS, but I'm rather suspicious due to his vote on me with no reasoning. So my vote will be staying for the time being.

[Starbuck]

At 5 pages in as you definitely said we were, you would have noticed that RVS was over.

[Starbuck]

The most heavily involved person could most definitely be the one of the people who is scum and is trying to hide it by being heavily involved.

I don't like how you use that as basis for your suspicions of Jebus.

[Starbuck]

EBWOP: *omit "the" between "be" and "one"

[Starbuck]

@above: I post my list to let people know my stance on things - the reason for the last one was to tell people I have no read on to post more, moreso than anything else.

Jebus, can you explain why you see zwet as definitely town? He's barely posted any content, so I don't see how you can be that confident about him.

Zwet is scumhunting - something scum zwet doesn't really do all that much of.

By this logic, if zwet normally doesn't scumhunt, then wouldn't zwet scumhunting be out-of-character?

xRx, what was meant by that is when zwet is scum, he doesn't scumhunt.
When Zwet is town, he does scumhunt.

[Starbuck]

I wasn't stating that as my own opinion of zwet. I quoted that because that's how I took Jebus's post.

[Starbuck]

What's your opinion of getting reads on me?

It's difficult.

[Starbuck]

@Santos

Are you completely ignoring my posts? Re-read this and then re-think your FOS please.

I wasn't stating that as my own opinion of zwet. I quoted that because that's how I took Jebus's post.

[Starbuck]

I'm getting the feeling of scum teams in the room. That is why I am suspicious of those players.

So... what roles are we looking for as scum? Who was in the original death star not part of the Empire? Luke, Leia, Han Solo, right?

I really don't like how Santos and Zwet are speculating so close to one another in posts. And I definitely don't like Zwet's ideas about massclaiming, especially on Day 1.

I am thinking that Santos is getting the feeling of scum teams because he may be a part of one.


I really don't like Santos' post 186 and 187 for the following reasons:

-Admitting that he's trying to post like zwet (but failing horribly) because he wanted to see if Zwet would point anything out is just not a good way to play imho. But then he thinks zwet is ignoring him. This really doesn't make sense to me. I couldn't really tell that you were trying to be like zwet, so I bet zwet (or anyone else for that matter) didn't either.

-I already posted why his FOS on myself is weak because it seems like he didn't read the posts or fully understood the context that lead up to my post 153.

-He then states that the scum team MUST consist of Zwet, Jebus, and Krer. His reasons are rather weak, especially because he has definitely distanced himself from zwet. They haven't ignored all questions or have sparsely followed up with them. And then he says that they aren't talking to each other as townies would, but can't give an example.

Strawman much, people? Christ, it was a mistake. Either swallow it or place a vote. I'm not going to explain it further.

Strawman? How so? You made a pretty big slip and now you are going to say it was a strawman?

A lot of you are defending zwet's play style. Its awfully dismissive to accept the banter zwet has done most of this game and come down on me who is trying to come up with a reason to figure out zwet; no, its not my only plan, but its where I started working in this game to find scum. Its not my intention to derail current arguments, but its something I noticed most of the people in the thread are frustrated with so why not try and tackle it from a new approach? We need more optimism in this thread!

Yes, my plan was to 'play like zwet' but given everyone wants to dismiss it and not even consider anything I have to say about the possibilities of zwet-scum, then I have nothing further to say about him; I just want him lynched based on my accusations for his play style this game.

Also, yes, there are instances of zwet having other condemning reasons as to why he is looking scummy, but those are something indicative of any player and zwet, is not any player.

You are grasping quite a bit here. Just who is dismissing zwet's banter?

You still haven't answered why you were planning to play like zwet. And who dismissed that? I pointed out earlier in this post and others have as well that they did not get the feeling that you were trying to play like zwet.


For all of the above:

Unvote, Vote: Santos

Also

FOS: Jebus (last post on Sunday) and dothefandango (last post on Sunday)

for lurking.

[Starbuck]

Mod: Can you also include a prod on Jebus? He hasn't posted since Sunday.

[Starbuck]

So I got two people (Kdub, Starbuck) to vote for me mainly on a mistake I made. Then lynch me, I could give a flying ****, you scummers, because for everything I've been talking about is 'crap logic' in your opinions, so basically you're saying you would lynch me based on a mistake. I believe they've just landed on scumdar for isolation posts: my bet on Kdub probably being more likely scum than anyone today. I'm going to take a look at Kdub in 'ISO' as people would say.

@ RECKONER, I've already given my main post about zwet and I am not sure why I should have to reiterate it to make the same point.

This entire post is chock full of ad hom.

[Starbuck]

I also listed quite a few reasons why you are scummy in my post, not just one.

[Starbuck]

I like this post^

However, now that you point it out that Jebus was not the claimed miller, I can only *facepalm* and say I'm full of fail in this mafia. So I make mistakes...a lot of them, but do they necessarily say I'm scum?

Appeal to emotion

[Starbuck]

Did you read his post?

"I'm full of fail this mafia"
"So I make mistakes....a lot them, but do the necessarily say I'm scum?"


How is that not an appeal to emotion?

[Starbuck]

After such a straw-grasping vote on yours truly, I decided to go back and do an iso of xRx to see his vote history, and here is what I found:

-BloodCovenant, RVS

-Kreriov, "This is not a random vote. This sentence just reeks of scummy: you're using obviously faulty logic, first off, and you're posing it in the form of a question so it seems much less obvious. I don't like this. "

-Jebus, "Jebus can re-read and figure out he wants to vote Starbuck, but can't even post any reasons? Not even a snippet of his thoughts?"

-Santos, Post 184

-Starbuck, "That's a fucking stretch to call post 238 an AtE. Grasping for straws, Starbuck?"



He's hopped around quite a bit for Day 1. I have played with xRx before and he's normally pretty conscientious about his vote.

[Starbuck]

Santos, you are now pushing for zwet to be policy-lynched?

In this game, he is just being a pompous ass, which makes me want to place a vote on him because I KAN B RANDUM TU.

Jebus, after realizing he is the claimed miller, still ranks as flaky and ignorant.

And look, more ad hom attacks.

Kreriov is unmistakeably off putting. I can't quite put my thumb on it, but

I want to find him scummy for something

I know that the above is only a fraction of your sentence, but I want the bolded to be noticed by everybody.


You are just adding more reasons for my vote to stay on you.

[Starbuck]

I WANT SANTOS VOTES NAU

Then why did you unvote right before this?

I had the same question, but I figured he unvoted so he can hammer.

[Starbuck]

Why is Santos so eager to claim?

[Starbuck]

Because you really shouldn't claim unless you absolutely have to. Please answer my above question, why are you so eager?

[Starbuck]

Because this game is slow and incredibly circular/redundant.

Do you feel this way because the focus is on you and not on anyone else?

[Starbuck]

KoC is my hero. He's replaced into so many of the games I'm in lately.

[Starbuck]

@KoC - I am relieved to have such an excellent player to have come in, is what I meant. I definitely prefer you replacing in over many others who could have.

[Starbuck]

Lawl. KoC (like yourself) is in almost every one of my games. It's nice to see someone with consistency rather than flakyness, or is that too much for your brain to handle, zwet?

[Starbuck]

LoL @ Santos! I'm not scumhunting in your eyes because I'm scumhunting you, that's so funny.

[Starbuck]

Lawl. KoC (like yourself) is in almost every one of my games. It's nice to see someone with consistency rather than flakyness, or is that too much for your brain to handle, zwet?

You really have to call me stupid? I thought more highly of you than that.

And btw, I never called you stupid, so please don't put words in my mouth.

[Starbuck]

Actually, I'd say you ruined it for yourself.

[Starbuck]

Apologies for my absence, even though I am stationed overseas, we still celebrate Labor Day Weekend.

Slicey's kill of BC bothered me, but then again BC did make himself out to be rather scummy. BC does reveal later on that he's a jailkeeper. If you are a pro-town jailkeeper, why make yourself look so scummy? Why claim miller?

I would definitely like an explanation from Slicey, as to just outright kill someone is a very big move.

I definitely don't like that zwet assumes that it's a gambit and then does the same thing (which proves to be a gambit). He says his intention was for Slicey to give a truthful post, but honestly, it seemed to just add more to the confusion of what was already going on.



@Furry - I really didn't see the lynch switching off Santos whether you requested a deadline or not.

[Starbuck]

EDWOP: "whether you requested an extension to the deadline or not."

[Starbuck]

I posted my V/LA in the V/LA thread. I have military stuff (command wide inspection/inventory) going on all this week and a bit of next. I am off and on. I'm following along, but I really don't have time right this second to make the analytical post that I want to. I should be able to catch up on all my games on Sunday. I apologize for the inconvenience but that's the way of life when you are in the military.

[Starbuck]

Alrighty, finally a day that I can catch up!

On Slicey

Starbuck:

It's called getting rid of the miller whose probably not a miller.

While I do agree with this, you were very hasty with that, especially since you are only a one-shot vig. Not that you knew what his role was, but I have played in a game as a pro-town jailkeeper before, and they are very useful.

I agree that BC was acting like a complete scumbag, and that you shouldn't need to ask everyone else for input. As I said before, I just think it was too hasty.

On Zwet

@Zwet - I think your gambit could be considered EITHER town or scum. You were trying to get info there. You helped in that I consider Slicey town. It could also have been a scum gambit to find out if Slicey was a 1-shot vig.

This is why I did not like your gambit. To Kreriov, it's null, but to me, it felt scummy because you were fishing for Slicey's role.

There's no way Santos is not scum.

I just wanted to point this out. Zwet said this while we were still in Twilight.

I feel like Zwet used his well known desire to hammer people and an impending deadline to push the Santos lynch.. The typical 'Oh no, there is a deadline so we must lynch SOMEONE' was to easy and excuse to lynch a townie.

This. Zwet was very actively pushing the lynch of Santos from the beginning. I did find him scummy which was why my vote stayed on him, but zwet was much more adamant.

On xRx

Okay, I think KoC was a very odd choice for scum. Let me do a quick iso of KoC to see why he may have been killed. (Going to try to avoid WIFOM scenarios).

This post, along with the post following it, are quite the WIFOM. Speculation of why scum killed someone is WIFOM, and I agree with zwet that it seems like you are trying very hard to distance yourself from it.

In post 471, you say you don't want to vote without presenting a case but HOSing and FOSing without a case is just as scummy.

On Sajin

I do not like that you are piggybacking off of Furry's very weak case on Kdub. Please come up with your own case.

On MacavityLock

How was Kdub's answer to your question a cop out in post 475? Most people would prefer a lynch over no lynch on Day 1 because either way, we garner information depending on what alignment that person flips as. We can then go back and re-read (knowing that person's alignment) and start figuring out who we need to go for on Day 2.

The thing that bothers me though is that if you did not agree with the Day 1 cases presented against Santos, why did you vote for him if you seriously felt he was town? It seems to me like opportunistic scum move here.

I was voting for Sajin all day yesterday until my vote was necessary for the Santos lynch.

What does this even mean? If you felt Sajin was scummiest, why did you switch to Santos?

On Furry

I don't like his case on Kdub in post 464. He definitely seems to be grasping at straws through most of it.

1. I don't see how Kdub asking BC what made him claim, automatically makes him seem to buy it.

2. I don't think that Kdub was getting "up in arms about someone saying they had a town read" on Zwet. Kdub was asking a question to Jebus. At the point, zwet really wasn't posting much and I think that Kdub's question is legit.

3. Again, Kdub asks a question of Slicey. He asks why Slicey chose to kill at that particular time and was there a reason for him to do so. How was Kdub trying to make the day vig look bad? He was asking questions of Slicey, probably trying to understand Slicey's motives.

You keep saying that Kdub is buying the miller claim. Can you provide direct quotes or are you going to continue grasping?

I also do not like how you are taking Kdub's asking of questions and twisting them completely around. This is a very weak case.

You reply to Kdub in post 484.

You ask for him motivation as town for knowing Slicey's thought process of who to daykill. If Slicey is who he says he is (a town-aligned 1-shot day vig), then I don't think there's anything wrong with anyone asking Slicey what his thought process was. If I'm correct, I'm pretty sure that Kdub wasn't the only person who asked that question. I don't think any townies were "trying to figure out what actions they need to take to avoid taking a hit from a daykiller".

Although this is directed at Kdub,

The questions to Slicey from you were not in a positive light.

It seems that you are the only one who thinks that they were not in a positive light. Please stop trying to speak for everyone else.

"vote hopping is confusing when analysing voting patterns"..... I dont think this statement could be less true. Where votes go is the EXACT REASON you look at voting patterns later. What do you want me to do with your whole FoS's? Count them the same as a vote? Are they half a vote? What type of merit do they even have?

Votes are a *good* thing. Votes are a VERY *good* thing. I think that not voting at any point in the game, with very rare exceptions (lylo and some deadlines) is a slight scumtell. A vote is a concrete thing to show how much you suspect a certain player, there is no way of talking your way out of it.

It seems like you need to read up on exactly what an FOS is. Check out this link in the Mafiascum Wiki.

So you think that not voting is a scumtell. So with the fact that you felt that Santos was town, you thought that if you didn't vote it would be scummy. Interesting.

@Sajin - Back when BC falsely claimed miller, you were asking him about his id card. Why?

This is a really bad line of questioning

Why?

On Kreriov

Now while I agree with most of what you have said to Macavity in post 482, I particularly disagree with the following:

In particular, note that all of my votes were either the first or second on a person and ALL were placed to either try to spur participation or to support and highlight scummy behavior on the part of the votee.

Most of us that have been playing long enough know that scum try to stay in the middle of the bandwagon. The fact that you had to make this point makes me start to think that your intentions may not be exactly as you are trying to paint them.

I have said I have not done anything scummy and that attempts to make it seem so for no reason are scummy.

There are people who have found you scummy. So for you to say that you have not done anything scummy is very contradictory. Why don't you try figuring out what part of what you have been saying made them feel you were scummy?


You seem to be blowing things a bit out of proportion in post 497 and in post 499 . It seems as though xRx was giving his opinion of everyone's actions on Day 1. You get very overaggressive when you think that xRx is misrepresenting you, but it seems more like you are misrepresenting him than the other way around.


Caught up to the bottom of page 20.

[Starbuck]

On Kreriov

You get even more overaggressive in post 501.

You have misrepresented and mischaracterized things I have said and done. There are two possible reasons for this. You are either a misquided and overzealous townie or scum. After your first, failed, attempt to frame me, I thought the former. Now it is patently obvious you are actually scum. Fortunately your first attempt raised my suspicions enough that I was watching you.

You keep bring up the same thing over and over again about xRx, but you are guilty of the same thing.

As I said earlier, Santos was being a complete scumbag. You have said it and so has everyone else, whether they were on or off the bandwagon. It's rather odd that you go from one end of the spectrum to the other as soon as Santos flipped town. Now it's like you are trying your damnedest to paint yourself as the angel in all of this.

Furry, in no way, force you to admit that you have a PR. You did that all on your own, and your appeal to emotion about that in post 516 does not sit well with me.

On Furry

I have now asked you why it's a bad line of questioning and others have as well. In post 508, you just repeat that it's a bad line of questioning. Why? What makes it bad? Please answer this question. You really didn't convince me with your response to Krer in post 510. Your answers seem forced, like you really didn't have any reasoning other than saying that it was 'bad questioning'.

Ok you do NOT get to change what this is about to try and prove your point. This is about why getting clarification is a bad thing, not how active Sajin in, or what your read on him is.

Why is getting clarification a bad thing? You would think in a game such as this that you would want as much clarification as you can get.


I don't like that you keep brushing off the ID card question. I'm thinking, speculation be damned, that you may know something about ID cards and that is why you are so staunchly against the conversation of it. You are getting very defensive about this subject.


I don't like how you push to lynch a claimed PR in post 568 and post 577. How is Reck lying? You are pretty much being just like zwet was yesterday during the Santos lynch.

Zwet is not town unless reck is town.

How so?

On Sajin

As much as that conversation involves me, I am not going to comment on it. Make of that what you will.

Why would you not comment on it when the basis of their conversation is on the fact that you asked the question about ID cards?





I'm also along the lines of thinking with that whole Camera Eye thing, that Krer could be R2-D2. It just sounds too easy.

[Starbuck]

@Seraphim

- Can you fix my tags in the last post? I started doing urls like I was doing html and not BBcode. Thank you.



I'm still trying to figure out which one of them could be lying. I'm leaning more towards Krer than I am Reck.

Right now, the person that sticks out most to me as scum is

Vote: Furry

[Starbuck]

Do me a favor, and do not tell me to focus. I see the 1v1 and I'm not ignoring it.

[Starbuck]

I said just 4 posts up that I am leaning more towards Krer than Reck.

My reasoning being that the flavor that Reck gave about Zwet matches mine. Also, Krer has been very over the top, overaggressive, and trying way too hard to make himself look town.

[Starbuck]

Wow Sajin, is that necessary? You should really answer the questions that have been asked of you before you go accusing people without any type of case and asking people to answer your questions.

[Starbuck]

Zwet, that's actually something I've been thinking about since you brought it up.

[Starbuck]

As have I, because Krer sounds like R2-D2.

He does too.

[Starbuck]

@SB - Do you want to bullet point that or do you want me to respond to everything? Im down for either.

I wrote a lot, so respond to as much as you can and if I feel you missed something, I'll point it out.

[Starbuck]

@Mod - I voted for Furry

[Starbuck]

So zwet, why hammer the person who was trying to clear you?

[Starbuck]

What if the only two rebels are Luke and Han, both disguised as Stormtroopers just like in the move.

I actually think that is very good theory, and would make sense as to why we'd have a town double-voter.

[Starbuck]

The funny part is that I'm not scum, and I wouldn't be surprised if I'm right about Furry and I'm this twilight's kill.

[Starbuck]

Why what? That I'm thinking I may be the Twilight Kill? Because that's normally how it works. The mafia take out the one that's threatening them the most normally.

[Starbuck]

Vote: Furry

I think it's hysterical that Furry is going for me with such a weak case. I'm thinking that he thinks I'm a good wagon to explore because I called him out first, so therefore I'm putting my vote back on him because I do believe that he is scum.

He has misrepresented everything I have said, and has made it fit to the way he wants it and not as it was intended.

I know I was wrong on the whole Kre and xRx 1v1, but I really don't know how the following can be considered as me backing the Kre wagon.

I'm still trying to figure out which one of them could be lying. I'm leaning more towards Krer than I am Reck.

Starts backing the Kre wagon over the reck wagon without any justification. She does stay off any conterwagon though.

I also don't understand how I said one thing, and it got transposed as something completely different as in the following.

Do me a favor, and do not tell me to focus. I see the 1v1 and I'm not ignoring it.

This also shows that the "one must be scum" thing is going to be ignored. That will never get more clear then it is at this point, one has to be scum, so you lynch one of them.

I said that I wasn't ignoring it, so how does it show that it will be ignored?

My reasoning being that the flavor that Reck gave about Zwet matches mine. Also, Krer has been very over the top, overaggressive, and trying way too hard to make himself look town.

We get reasoning now, even though its weak. Kre is scum because of flavor of reck (who is revealed as lying) matches SBs. Kre is also scum because he is agressive

Where did I say that Kre was scum? Yes, I was wrong, but I never said anything more than that I leaned towards Kre.

I would like you to read me in iso, and see that I was scumhunting both Kre and xRx. I can give you a few examples if you would like, such as:

Post 244
Post 604
Post 607

The last two also explain my case on Furry.


And as of late, he has misrepresented everything I have said, and has made it fit to the way he wants it and not as it was intended. He's grasping very hard to make a case on me.

[Starbuck]

I'm actually starting to think Starbuck might be scum now, especially with reck flipping scum. She voted Furry and made a case on Furry when we had a 1v1 that did not include Furry.

So when there's a 1v1 going on, we need to drop everything else that's going on and only focus on that? We aren't supposed to continue scumhunting? That's what I'm getting from this statement and I really don't like it.

Then again, Furry's case on Kdub I still think is dreadful, plus he was defending Sajin. Also keep in mind that Kre said he was targeting Furry.

These are both very good points.

Let's look at who we have left.

1. Starbuck
2. Sajin
3. Slicey
4. Kdub
8. zwetschenwasser
10. MacavityLock
12. Furry

Now, let's take away the pretty much confirmed towns, me and MacLock. I'm going to take away zwet too, because of reck clearing him. I know he didn't target zwet but I don't think he would connect his scummbuddy with him like that. Zwet is semi-confirmed town imho

1. Starbuck
2. Sajin
4. Kdub
12. Furry

We are left with two scum most likely. I'd say there's one scum between Starbuck and Furry, between the way they've been going back and forth and their scuminess in general. That leaves one scum between Sajin and Kdub. We should focus on one of these two pairings today. I propose the Starbuck/Furry pairing.

It may have been said before but I can't remember, how are you and Mac "pretty much confirmed"?

I'm rather confused as to how you came to this conclusion because I would say that no one but zwet is pretty much or semi-cleared because I do think you are right that xRx wouldn't connect his scumbuddy like that.

[Starbuck]

Where did I downplay it? Did you not read the rest of that post?


So you think there's one scum between me and Furry and that there's one scum between me and Kdub, and that I'm obviously it and there's no other choices?

Your case is growing weaker by the minute.

[Starbuck]

As I have said though, I don't mind being the lynch if it helps the town catch scum. I am only a Imperial Vanilla, not a power role or anything like that.

[Starbuck]

Not a fake claim. Go ahead and keep pursuing my lynch and when I flip town because that's what I am, then the focus will be on you and Furry who are mercilessly pursuing my lynch.

[Starbuck]

You say you know my meta that you've played with me before. Go re-read the Twilight game.

[Starbuck]

And you just may be scum again pushing for my lynch right alongside Furry.

[Starbuck]

Well, I do think I found scum and since the town was already found one. I continued to scumhunt for another and I think I found one with you.

I NEVER CALLED KRE SCUM. Quit putting words in my mouth. I was trying to get you lynched because I do believe you to be scum and your latest weak post about me is just adding more to it.

[Starbuck]

EDBWOP: "Well I do think I found scum, and since the town already found one, I continued to scumhunt for another, and..."

[Starbuck]

Was my vote on either Kre or Reck? It was not. It was placed on you.

I never said I would lynch Kre over Reck. You are still putting words in my mouth. I said all along that I wasn't sure. Both had been scummy at one point or another, just because someone flipped town doesn't mean that they weren't acting scummy. I said I was LEANING TOWARDS Kre, and since I was not sure I did not place a vote.

To me, you were acting more scummy than either Kre or Reck which was why my vote was on you.

[Starbuck]

And in addition to that, you still are acting more scummy than either of them.

[Starbuck]

It IS pointless. I completely agree. I don't understand why Furry keeps on bringing it up.

[Starbuck]

@ Sajin - Do you not read genders? Quit calling me a him!

[Starbuck]

How am I being retawdeth?

Stop going after ML.

If we lynch Starbuck and she's town, then we have two very, very likely scum in Kdub and Furry. That's 3 scum, equaling a town win. If we lynch Starbuck and she's scum, that's one less scum we have to worry about, and we can focus on Sajin/Kdub tomorrow.

I can't see any downside in lynching Starbuck, even if she is town (which I doubt.)

Well, I'm growing frustrated with this because I am town. If it's helpful for the village to lynch me, then just do it already. I'm tired of the back and forth and if you want me to vote for myself to make it easier, I will do so.

Otherwise, I have pointed out Furry for the last 2 days. I'm telling you guys there's really no way that he is not scum.

[Starbuck]

I am town, and it's bothering me that you are so keen on lynching me. You have started going full force on me. It's making me think that you are hiding something. You may not be scum, but why couldn't you be a one-shot SK?

[Starbuck]

The scumpairs that I know don't exist are the ones that include me.

Other than that, I'm thinking

Furry/Sajin

[Starbuck]

Starbuck, re-reading your case on Furry, it amounts to your opinion that he's making bad cases on you and Kdub. Why does this make him obv-scum? Can you provide anything more solid given the Krer and Reck flips?

Why would the Kre and Reck flips have anything to do with how I feel about Furry? We all pretty much knew that one of them would be scum and one would be village given their 1v1. So I really don't understand your question.

You have generalized my case to fit your needs. Furry's case on Kdub had plenty of holes in it and I pointed that out in this post. I asked Furry to further support his case and he didn't. He kept assuming things and misrepresenting Kdub. He more or less is doing as you are doing, making things fit to his needs.

He also stated (and that I quoted in that post) that

I think that not voting at any point in the game, with very rare exceptions (lylo and some deadlines) is a slight scumtell. A vote is a concrete thing to show how much you suspect a certain player, there is no way of talking your way out of it.

And I stated it there and I'll state it again. He felt that Santos was town, and even though he felt that way he still voted because according to the above quote, not voting him would be scummy.

You can also read post 607 for more of my case on Furry, and which had nothing to do with his case on me.

I re-voted him on Day 2 because I still believe him to be scum. He just added to that fact with his horrible case on me. He has misrepresented myself as well as Kdub.


On second thought, Kdub and Furry could very well be scum together and are doing a great job at distancing from each other.

[Starbuck]

The only info that will be garnered is that Slicey is wrong.

[Starbuck]

Well, zwet, do you have any questions for me?

I've already claimed, and I've given my case on who I think is scum, and my vote is currently on the person that I find to be the scummiest.

[Starbuck]

For someone that really hasn't brought much to the table this game, I expected more out of you.

[Starbuck]

For the record, you guys are dumb.

<--- Imperial Vanilla

[Starbuck]

When the death scene comes up and shows me town, please go after Furry. Kthnxbai.

[Starbuck]

You wish.

You WILL be wrong.

Because I AM town.

[Starbuck]

Zwet, I hope you are prepared to be tomorrow's lynch because you are wrong.

[Starbuck]

Furry.

[Starbuck]

I have no scumbuddy because I'm AN IMPERIAL VANILLA.

You know Zwet, when you are wrong and someone is telling you that you are wrong.


I would not surprise me in the least for you, Macavity or Furry to all turn up scum.

[Starbuck]

EDBWOP:

You know Zwet, when you are wrong and someone is telling you that you are wrong, you should listen.


Somehow that line got cut off when I copied it over from Notepad.

[Starbuck]

I do think he could be scum, but I'm NOT.


I can't wait for when the death scene comes and you have to eat your frakking words.

[Starbuck]

My lynch is most definitely scum driven, so I hope all the townies are taking note of this.

[Starbuck]

For someone who I know has a higher brain capacity than most people that I play with, you really need to me to explain that?

I AM NOT SCUM.


And that was one of the quickest and scummiest lynches I have seen since I started playing here.

[Starbuck]

@Mod - Why does it say on the front page that Sajin replaced Slicey when Slicey has been posting all along?

[Starbuck]

I'm rather confused how Slicey could be replaced in one spot, by Sajin, but then come back into the game for dothefandango??? That means he knows two roles of the same game.

[Starbuck]

For those that aren't sure of what I'm talking about, here's a look at our Still Alive list.

Still Alive(7):

• 1.
  Starbuck
  
  2.
  Sajin
  Slicey
  
  3.
  Slicey
  dothefandango
  
  4.
  Kdub
  
  8.
  zwetschenwasser
  
  10.
  MacavityLock
  
  12.
  Furry
  RestFermata

[Starbuck]

We were waiting on Slicey to confirm via this post, which means he got the assignment. Sajin replaces Slicey here, and Slicey replaces dothefandango here.

Why didn't we notice this before?

[Starbuck]

Well, I'm town, if you are town, good job at failing, and I won't ever be playing a game with you again.

[Starbuck]

I tried to tell y'all that I wasn't scum, but no one fucking listens and obviously scum was behind my lynch. I don't understand why I was so quickly lynched.

Furry, I'm sorry I was wrong about you.

[Starbuck]

And @Slicey, next time that you know a meta on me, please stick with it.