Open 175 - Picking Simplicity (Game Over)

[Nikanor]

I'm pretty sure I'm already /in this game, so instead of /inning like most of the rest of you, I'll just /confirm instead.

[Nikanor]

Wow, I think know quite a few people on the list.

Make a list of the people on that list that you know.

[Nikanor]

My only rule: Don't do bullshit gambits, or bullshit in general. Your bullshit will be discarded, or you will be discarded for bullshitting.

Hahahahaha, are you referring to any past bad experiences with gambits, yabba?
And who doesn't like a good gambit! They're so fun!

[Nikanor]

Whooooooooooooooo

Vote: yabbaguy.

You know why.

[Nikanor]

Dice-rolling is anti-town, Keyblade.

[Nikanor]

My evidence is in my front pocket. Want to reach in there and grab it for me?
Also, you should revote. Try not to use the dice this time.

[Nikanor]

Vote: Nikanor
Satisfied?

You satisfy me like no other man can, Keyblade!

[Nikanor]

Vote: Nikanor
Satisfied?

You satisfy me like no other man can, Keyblade!

This pleases me.

Not as much as it pleases me.

[Nikanor]

/in. Sorry for making you wait.

Cast a random vote, Blastinus. It'll help get discussion going.

Vote: dramonic

Only one I can recognize!

You don't recognise Nikanor? I'm offended!
As a side note, your false reasoning for your random vote makes it look like early distancing.

[Nikanor]

It'll help get discussion going.

Why? You are going to base a serious vote on a random vote reasoning?

What? Games here usually start with an random voting stage to get the game off the ground. If you don't like random votes, fine. Just don't expect that to be the normal opinion around this site.

[Nikanor]

Everyone here who doesn't have at least 10 posts is obv lurkinng. The last one here to score his 10th post will score a vote from Nikanor.

[Nikanor]

Now, this is accomplished by a baseless wagon too, and I think it actually brings out more tells then random phases, which can usually be forgotten by "its random"

So you agree that baseless bandwagonning is good for discussion and tells?

[Nikanor]

Now, this is accomplished by a baseless wagon too, and I think it actually brings out more tells then random phases, which can usually be forgotten by "its random"

So you agree that baseless bandwagonning is good for discussion and tells?

Yes, it brings more tells then "vote <player> for <joke>"

You realise that that is how a baseless wagon is built, right? On that note, why aren't you trying to build a baseless wagon?

[Nikanor]

[quote="Iganua]On a side note, how serious were you about your comment to SB? [/quote]
I was completely serious. It looks like false reasoning for a distancing vote, as I said before.

Though I had voted in that second post of mine already

Vote Nikanor

Good. Now, are you trying to build a baseless wagon, or do you have some other reason for voting me?

[Nikanor]

Somewhere in between. There was no clear wagon leader, but since you are openly saying that you see a scumtell on someone, why arent you persuing the wagon at all?

It's a conditional scumtell. If one of Snow_Bunny or dramonic flips scum, I'm going to look back at that 'random' vote. For now, I'll ignore it, though.

[Nikanor]

Also Nikanor, what seems fake about Snow's vote?

The fact that she's in a game with H_H and myself atm makes her statement that she only recognises dramonic false.

[Nikanor]

What. There's like a total of 50 posts, and 15 that should be even counted as relevant. That comment was a bit overzealous, no?
EBWOP: I considered that you might be joking, but seeing how you're the most serious person in the game so far I wasn't sure.

Yeah, it was a joke, haha. Considering the thread was just opened today, I don't think we can conclusively call anyone a lurker just yet.

[Nikanor]

who's H_H?

Head_Honcho.

[Nikanor]

Voting people you like/recognize = fail reason even for a random vote. >_>

What is your preferred method of random voting, yabba?

[Nikanor]

@Nik-69: In this case, the lack thereof. If it isn't plainly obvious, despite two goddamned Yankees fans in this house, I haven't voted either. That's probably a big tip-off that I don't want to play that random voting game today.

Is there anything that has caught your eye from the last few pages? Anything you want to comment on?

[Nikanor]

FoS: Nikanor

BACKPEDALING ON LAST PERSON TO GET TEN POSTS POLICY

Hey, who said I wasn't going to vote the last person to get 10 posts? I said we couldn't call anyone a lurker

yet

. By the time nineteen people get ten posts, we should be able to safely call someone a lurker.

FoS: Head_Honcho.

For purposefully posting in caps lock.

[Nikanor]

Everyone here who doesn't have at least 10 posts is obv lurkinng. The last one here to score his 10th post will score a vote from Nikanor.

The first sentence was a joke. The second can be serious if I want it to be. It depends. If we've caught scum, I'm not going to drop my vote on that person to pursue a lurker.

[Nikanor]

Single votes are anti-town. Not voting is anti-town.

[Nikanor]

I'll agree with Hyl on this one. You should vote someone who you find scummy, not someone who already have some votes to make a bandwagon... Just to make a bandwagon.

Unless you're in the RVS, where bandwagons are law.

[Nikanor]

Do you think your vote on 12KB will turn into a viable bandwagon, dramonic?

[Nikanor]

Haha, thanks Pom.

[Nikanor]

Actually, anyone still random voting is being anti-town.

When did you think the RVS ended?

[Nikanor]

the only thing more useless than RVS is spending day one discussing the merits of RVS. I am going to unvote vote: Nikanor for trying to send us down the very distracting 'when do you think RVS ended' path.

Actually, I thought we were still in the RVS. I just wanted his opinion on when it had ended.

So not having a vote down in RVS is enough for you to declare someone anti-town huh?

Yeah. For those of you wondering, by 'single vote' I meant people whose random votes on a person were unaccompanied.
Do you have anything else to say, Toro?

But that doesn't make me Scum.

Yes it does.

Unvote. Vote: Blastinus.

[Nikanor]

So are they town or scum for now? Thats actually really streaching for a scumtell, which is why I like my style a bit more, people get jumpy. Uneasy is easier to read then jokey.

You're still on that? How about I give you $10 and this all goes away, eh?
To be serious, though, conditional scumtells don't mean anything on day one. As I said before, it only matters if one of them flips scum. I never said it negatively affected my opinions of them for now.

[Nikanor]

Is that a serious vote, foilist?
If so, why are you ignoring the emote and the 'To be serious, though,' in the next line, which both clearly mark the statement as a joke.
If not, why are you still making joke votes?

[Nikanor]

So if someone doesn't join a RVS bandwagon that makes the person who initiated the random vote scummy?

Sigh.
I said 'anti-town'. I did not say 'scummy'.

[Nikanor]

Yeah, anti-town =/= scummy.
Not voting on a bandwagon is anti-town, but it sure as hell isn't a scumtell.

[Nikanor]

There's a BIG difference between being Scummy and being Anti-Town, Col. Cathart. One of them means you're the Mafia specifically, the other one means that you're a class that opposes the town, like the Serial Killer and so forth.

Still wrong. Please admit to not knowing anything before trying to explain to others.
Anti-town means it's against the town. That does not necessarily make the person scum (scum being both the mafia and the sk in this game). In fact, some anti-town actions, such as self-voting in frustration, can be considered a towntell.
Scummy means the motivation for doing that thing is designed to hurt the town rather than help it.

Randomly accusing people on the slightest of pretenses seems, at the very least, to be against the well-being of the town.

Well, it's better than some people who vote one person and look nowhere else. That's called tunnelling, if you don't know.
Jumping on my bandwagon for bad reasoning makes you look bad, Blastinus.

[Nikanor]

Different board, different vocabulary. The definition I gave was how the distinction was made on the board I was on before here.

I see. I like my definition better.

it's only "bad reasoning" because it's a vote against you. You said yourself that NOT jumping on a bandwagon is anti-town, therefore by voting to get rid of you, like four other people, I must be pro-town. Unless you're saying that your previous statement only applies to bandwagons that aren't against you.

Not true. Other people have given understandable justification for their vote.
Also, your reasoning was not that you wanted to look more pro-town by following what I said and jumping on a wagon. Your reasoning was that (and I'm saying it this way because you did not correct my previous post) I was not tunnelling. That is bad reasoning, and not even understandable of a town player in the least.

[Nikanor]

That said, I find it interesting how Nik's really screwing around this game, with an emote practically every first line he posts.

Haha, the emotes indicate jokes. I seem to be making a lot of those, hehe.

That said, I find it interesting how Nik's really screwing around this game, with an emote practically every first line he posts.

Believe it or not, I am scumhunting. The jokes and emotes help to loosen the scum and take me less seriously.

True, now tell me your logic.

Bandwagons can help town, even random ones. Bandwagon analysis often leads to more information for town in the endgame, with most of the players of confirmed alignments. Therefore, bandwagons are pro-town, and not creating bandwagons is anti-town. Also, what Iguana said.

[Nikanor]

I'm too lazy to actually address everything I want to, so I'll just say this:
As the first to point out the obvious and call my behaviour in this game townish, Blastinus earns himself big town-points, especially since I'm an opposing bandwagon for him. In fact, I'm confident enough to

Unvote

.
(Correct me if I'm wrong about the 'first to call Nik's behaviour protown' thing. Just tell me if you said it before now, and I'll award town-points accordingly).

[Nikanor]

Zwets has a good scumsense. He just has to post more, is all.

[Nikanor]

Sorry folks, I'm catching up.

[Nikanor]

I'll have to investigate the Nik-Blastinus love connection later.

Oh great, you just outed the lovers. (What do you mean, there are no lovers in this game?)

I don't see how Iguana's WIFOM is scummy. Then again, I'm the guy who lies about his role as town and then expects the rest of the town to eat the WIFOM I feed them when I tell them I was fakeclaiming.

I was going to say that Pom was scummy for being non-committal in her wording before I realised she was thirteen (non-committal wording is fairly common in younger players, since they often lack confidence).

I think dramonic is town, but at the same time I find his attacks against Iguana unfair.

Also... I'd like you to explain your rationale for why your posts have one line or one argument in them in a game where there are a slew of posts going at 100 MPH which bringing up multiple points and engage in nuanced debates. Where the hell are you?

He's Toro. It fits his meta.

We haven't heard from Nikanor lately. This is very strange.

Yeah, I know. I'm busy with life, is all.

Is there any reason scum couldn't use Wifom the way Iguana did?

Is there any reason town couldn't use Wifom the way Iguana did?

[Nikanor]

The players I listed as town are active, sensible, scum-hunters, or 1-2 of the 3.

I'm active.
I'm scumhunting.
Why don't I fall under town players?

[Nikanor]

Frack, even WW is making walls now.
I haven't the energy to go through another game full o' walls right now. I'll post later.

[Nikanor]

I'm not making a list of who I find scummy/towny. It would be mostly bullshit, you see. However, I will say that Toro is probtown, and that WW needs to realise that using the word 'retard' makes him sound juvenile, and while it might earn him friends with the twelve year olds who play WC3, it will only serve to get him insulted on this site. Thanks.

[Nikanor]

so Warcraft 3 mafia= full of retards, no extreme intellect needed

There you go.

[Nikanor]

Iguana tilts scummy now... but again... I'm struggling here putting a finger on it. I'm legitimately frustrated that I'm not able to put my thoughts into words here. Perhaps it's the defensiveness or sarcasm, but ugh, I can't tell.

Gut, maybe? Kind of like how my scumsense activates on people with bad grammar, hehe.

[Nikanor]

Did you know that discrediting oneself is scummy, Blastinus?
Just sayin'.

[Nikanor]

brestfeedin

You shouldn't be breastfeeding while drunk.

[Nikanor]

Actually more concerning is that his/her gender icon used to be male

Look in the Face With a Name thread in GD. He is definitely male.
Unless he's an anti-Zazie. *ahem*

[Nikanor]

Dice-rolling is anti-town, Keyblade.

No, it's a nulltell.

I didn't say it was a tell. I said it was anti-town. Big difference.
I think I'm going to write a guide for all this stuff and just link to it when people say stuff like this, hehe.

My evidence is in my front pocket. Want to reach in there and grab it for me?

Doesn't answer keyblade's question.

Yeah, I don't need a reason to say that dice-rolling is anti-town. It just is.
Think of it this way: Keyblade has been around this site for a while. He shouldn't need to make a random vote. Based on the players here, he should be able to judge whose reaction he can learn the most out of, and place a vote on that person. That would be a pro-town way to go about the RVS.

Relevance of argument has no bearing on day one. Whoever you vote for, you vote for on no evidence aside from prior knowledge and arbitrary outside views. Unless a person outright goes "Blargh! I'm the Mafia!" I don't see why there's a problem with voting for petty reasons on day one.

This is true for the first couple posts.
But all of day 1?

You know what he meant.

Scummy implies mafia membership; anti-town doesn't.

Ah, so you

do

understand. I wonder why there is 'misconception' in your first point, then. Any chance you could explain that for me?

Well, it's better than some people who vote one person and look nowhere else. That's called tunnelling, if you don't know.
Jumping on my bandwagon for bad reasoning makes you look bad, Blastinus.

What's that supposed to mean? This looks even more suspicious in the context of Blastinus' vote looking forced and the next Blastinus quote.

It means exactly what it looks like. Do you not agree that jumping on a bandwagon with bad reasoning makes the person voting look bad? I'm asking because it just looks to me as if you're trying to pad your post with crap points against me in an attempt to push the concept of a Blastinus-Nikanor scumpairing.

@Antihero's post 400
I think it's scummy. If anyone wants me to dissect it, I will.

By all means, go ahead. Why are you even asking if you think it's scummy?

As I don't feel that we've gotten much of anything yet this game, and it's been 17 pages. I will Unvote; Vote: Col Cathart. I don't like Nikanor's play more than before, but Col is in worse shape.

Your vote on me must have been pretty weak if that one post of Col's was enough to convince you he is scummier than I am. Which raises the following question: why was your vote on me for so long?

Vote: Pomegranate.

Convince me that Col is scummier than I am based on the points you have provided against us both and I will unvote you.

[Nikanor]

Convince me that Col is scummier than I am based on the points you have provided against us both and I will unvote you.

Actually, I looked back at your posts and it turns out that the points you made against me WERE weak.
Instead of using your own points, I want you to explain to me:
a) Why you think I'm scum.
b) Why you think Col is scum.
c) Why you think Col is more likely to be scum than I.
Thanks.

[Nikanor]

Convince me that Col is scummier than I am based on the points you have provided against us both and I will unvote you.

This quote is mine, not Pom's. It's directed at Pom, though.
Hopefully this is my last consecutive post, ugh.

[Nikanor]

You know what he meant.

No, I honestly didn't.

He meant RVS, I assume.
And even if he did mean 'All of day one,' I don't see how that can turn into a scumtell.

[Nikanor]

@Nik: I

will

answer the points you raised, I'm just really pressed for time right now. Expect it later tonight or tomorrow afternoon.

I asked for quite a bit so I don't expect a quick response. Don't worry, I won't start badgering you about it just yet.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor, slayer of Tiamat

That's me!

[Nikanor]

I feel badly for semioldguy. Finding all those replacements must be hell. >_>

[Nikanor]

Oh yeah, I guess I should respond to Pom's post, eh?

I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that mod sympathy is a scumtell. In games with Scum QTs, the Mafia get more communication with the mod than anybody else, and thus sort of bond with him on a personal level. I think a sort of sympathetic connection develops between scum and mod, so Nik feeling bad for him is a personal scumtell to me.

I speculate a lot. There's a difference between this and crap cases, the latter of which is scummy.

I like the part where you try to pre-empt me, knowing I'm going to call your case crap. The fact that I sympathise with the mod has got nothing to do with my alignment. It's on a person to person basis, not a role to role basis.
yabba, look at my posts. There has been scumhuting. This looks like you're trying to say, 'He's useless. Let's lynch him,' which really isn't what you should be doing if you are town.

I don't think that this is much, but everyone missed it. If an emoticon indicates a joke, than why didn't you use it one of the few times you weren't serious?

Typo?

I agree with the buddying statemenst.

No. What Blast did was not only not jump on my bandwagon, but went so far as to call me pro-town. That is not something that I would expect from Blastinus as scum. It is something I would expect from a town player. Therefore, I think Blast is town, and I unvote him. Do you still not understand this?

[Nikanor]

Is, or is not, the whole case on Keyblade "He posted so Nik wouldn't vote for him".

That's actually pretty accurate. Everyone knows I'm the best scumhunter on this site, after all; to be marked with my vote is to be marked for death.
(The above statement features mild sarcasm, if you did not catch it).

Also, I'm still too lazy to read.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor needs to catch up!

[Nikanor]

I'm happy with lynching WarWound. He's not even trying to scumhunt. I can see him being town if he were trying and failing, but he's not even making the attempt.

Unvote. Vote: WarWound.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor - again, can someone tell me if this is his usual behavior, regardless of alignment? Gut town read.

No, I'm usually not like this. This is really the first game in which I've tried this particular playstyle.

Dramonic - Never played with him, but for some reason I'm assuming, that's his normal playstyle. Anyone who played with him can confirm that? If yes, then I guess he's somewhere on the line between neutral and slightly pro-town.

Confirmed by Nikanor.

[Nikanor]

20p is ridiculous.

Unvote. Vote: Zwetschenwasser.

Let's get this day over with.

[Nikanor]

vote yabbaguy

cuz a wanna and your scummy

[Nikanor]

Mass-prod away!

[Nikanor]

How was Hyl's replacement request surprising? The emote seemed to mean sarcasm, since Hyl's replacement was not surprising at all after the discussion we had about him.

[Nikanor]

Zazie is still in this game?

(Sorry, I've been busy. Too many commitments. )

[Nikanor]

#38 Nikanor: Freudian slip.

How, exactly?

A faint possibility of scum trying to set me up here as next-in-line comes to mind, however.

Very faint. Like, one in a million. I'm sure that scum trying to set someone up would probably pick a) an easier player to push into a noose, or b) a much more obvious way of making you look scummy. You are deflecting here.
I can get behind a yabba lynch.

Vote: yabbaguy.

[Nikanor]

doesn't end on a vote on Iguana (who is awesome this game).

Agreed. Iguana is probtown.

[Nikanor]

Yankee Hyl is scum.

First, saber/Yankee/Hyl.
Second, I'd be willing to lynch saber simply for putting me in his scumlist.

Unvote. Vote: saberwolf.

Iguana and SpyreX said this is the right way to go. I'm going to throw some trust over your way, if that's alright with you.

[Nikanor]

the SK has to worry about the mafia just as much as we do, so, at what point in the game would it be more feasible to hunt for the SK, or do we lump in the SK with the mafia and look for them as a group?

Does it matter? Scum is scum. Avoiding a lynch of someone because we think they might be sk is stupid.
Second, I think Flava is town. Everyone gets gut scum reads on Flava, and I don't understand why.

[Nikanor]

@Nikanor: I think it's actually a great scum tactic to go after someone who's coming under fire and try to work up a wagon on them. Why do you think it's extremely implausible?

yabba, that's not what I'm saying at all. My main argument is that the 'attempted set-up' would be much more obvious than it was if it were in fact perpetrated by scum.

@Michel: I believe you're using faulty assumptions in your logic. Why is WarWound mafia if and only if Iguana is mafia? I don't see why a WarWound mafia, Iguana town scenario is being excluded in your logic.

[Nikanor]

Just like Nikanor with his question to Michel in post 799. That kind of questions will only make this (IMO pointless already) discussion even longer. I don't like it.

Michel is trying to clear WarWound (now SC). I'm trying to find out why.
Also, I'm getting a scum read on yabba. I'm not going to quit attacking him simply because you have a town read on him. Your defense of yabba is noted.

Also, Zazie is male.

[Nikanor]

Blah. When's the deadline?

[Nikanor]

Wheeeeeeeeee.

[Nikanor]

Wheeeeeeeeeeee.
I'm caught up (for the most part)!
What I'd like to know is a) Where exactly I was asking hollow questions (looking at yabba here), and b) Who found Flava suspicious on day two. I'll probably be looking over things to check, because I don't expect scum to admit to finding the dead guy suspicious now, but if they do it'll save me a bit of trouble.
Anyway, choking = mafia, shooting = sk. If I'm wrong and choking = sk, then SpyreX is sk for calling Michel sk.
sksksksk.

[Nikanor]

Fiiiiiine.
*Hops to SC's SC bandwagon.*

Vote: StrangerCoug.

[Nikanor]

His play raised my alarm already during D2, when he was trying to keep alive that pointless discussion between MSH/Yabba/Spyrex.

Sure it did. You just didn't say anything back then because it was better to keep it a secret, right?

Scum Nikanor: So... If I'll start acting like a VI... They won't lynch me. Awesome!

Actually, all these votes on me are giving me things to talk about. I welcome the pressure.

[Nikanor]

Ohhhhhh an FoS and a one-liner. Spooky.

And about D3, I have a theory:

Someone (Clergyman, I think): Ok that's it. No more lynching VI-like players.

Scum Nikanor: So... If I'll start acting like a VI... They won't lynch me. Awesome!

Even if this was true, I 'started acting like a VI' before SerialClergyman wrote his spiel on not lynching the easy targets.

[Nikanor]

And by the way: Why are you trying to look like a VI?

That is not the impression I intend to give, I assure you. If it looks that way to you, it's because I've completely lost track of this game after not keeping up with the game for the week or so before the deadline. I'm just starting to regain my bearings now.

Also, the one-liner was enough to place an FoS on me, yet you still kept your weak vote on Pom, despite nothing coming of it. Why?

[Nikanor]

Ok, I still don't know, why are you writing 'weeeee' type posts, and follows the random wagon, if you lost the track of the game, instead of saying typical 'sorry for inactivity, re-reading thread right now'.

But that's so cliche!

Why are you voting me now, then, instead of hohum? What changed? Is it really that one 'wheeee' post that makes the difference between myself being scummier than Pom to you?

[Nikanor]

@Nik: Overall, it seems as though your "joking around" ways are how you go at scumhunting. That's probably what's irking me with your line of questions... it's not immediately transparent that they're hunting scum, or that a certain answer would rub you the wrong way.

So you can't provide an answer to the question I asked you?

[Nikanor]

I certainly expected more over the weekend. I feel like my case against SpyreX is being completely ignored. I really feel like people are focusing on their own targets and not really considering other options. Wake up, we have 4 scum and an SK out there. Serial, even if you are convinced Coug is scum, there are other cases out there.

I agree with this. Using the cases of other players is all well and good in my books. In fact, it's pretty much necessary to achieve a lynch.

I really feel like Nikanor's vote on Coug was very weak and opportunistic.

In one breath, you ask people to follow the cases of others. In the next, you vote me for doing that exact thing! You, sir, are a hypocrite.

[Nikanor]

Uh... I said it already. Vote on Hohum is a dead vote, as long as people will not even acknowledge his existence in this game... You're not scummier than Pom/Hohum, but at this point voting for him makes no sense, so I'm voting you.

Just like it made no sense to stay on hohum for so long yesterday. I think the only thing that's changed is that now I'm the easy target. Is this a correct assessment of the situation, or am I missing something?

Is acting anti-town helping in some way?

I don't understand how saying 'Wheeeee' is anti-town in any way, shape, or form.

[Nikanor]

*Hops to SC's SC bandwagon.*

The first SC is SerialClergyman. The second SC is StrangerCoug.

[Nikanor]

Maybe next time you try to falsely pull out the hypocrite card you better get your facts straight and remember exactly what you wrote.

Lawl. I remember exactly what I wrote. I agreed with SerialClergyman's case on StrangerCoug.

[Nikanor]

You missed Honcho and Flava supporting my stance, which could eventually lead to Pom/Hohum wagon. Now they are both gone, and no one else even cares about Hohum.

So yeah, what I said. I find it funny that you wouldn't just answer the question directly.

[Nikanor]

I see you hoping on a wagon. No mention that you support any case. And then when you get called out on it you throw out an OMAGUS argument that was easily shown to be false. Explain.

I've said it already.

*Hops to [SerialClergyman's] [StrangerCoug] bandwagon.*

I don't really see how it can be taken any other way, considering I voted for StrangerCoug in the same post.

Why are you being stupid on purpose?

It's not my fault I was dropped on my head as a child.
But really, I'll admit now that posting 'Wheee' was a bad idea. Happy?

You're taking up space with it that you could have put your thoughts in, that's how it's anti-town.

And you're taking up space by answering a theory-related question where you could be providing thought. Any reason for why you're not doing this? This is the first post of yours since you've recovered from being sick; I thought you'd have something more to say.

[Nikanor]

Vote: Nikanor. He's been non-contributing if not scumy for as long as I can remember, and I think it's worth a vote.

Yeah, because I've totally been non-contributing today.
Care to provide examples?

[Nikanor]

@Nikanor: Why is Coug scummy?

apathy lynch

@Everyone: Give me another night to go over this game, and I promise you all some results. For now, let's lynch StrangerCoug.

[Nikanor]

A hearty 'Howdy!' to Sotty + Amished.

@Amished: You may not have seen me, but I've seen you. >:]

Kreriov seems to really be pushing the 'This is a deadline vote! Disregard my presence on this wagon kthx,' card. I'd say that if StrangerCoug flips town, Krer is scum. If StrangerCoug flips scum, I think that Krer is likely town.

@Grimmy: You're so nice and understanding! I wish I had a big brother like you.

StrangerCoug still has his vote on SerialClergyman, which sets off distancing alarms in my head. Usually, I'd expect scum to vote the competing bandwagon.

I'd say Col and skitzer are scummy based entirely on their votes for me. yabba not so much; he voted for me on d1, so he at least shows some consistency with his suspicions.

Off to work now. Talk to y'all later.

[Nikanor]

What leads you to believe that Kreriov and I are of different alignments as opposed to Kreriov bussing me? Your saying that Kreriov doesn't want to look like he's on my wagon comes off more as something that would indicate he is scum regardless of my alignment.

Unless he knows you're scum. In which case I can't think of any case in which he WOULDN'T want to look like he was on your wagon of his own volition. I suppose one of you could be sk, I didn't really take that into account when calling people scum.

I'm a little surprised that there isn't more discussion since the deadline was pushed back. I know xmas is coming up and all, but lets not let the extra time go to waste by simply waiting for the replacements to catch up.

Wow Sotty is just so pro-town; she wants us to use all our time to the best of our ability! I simply don't know what to do, Sotty is so town for making this comment!
(If you didn't catch the sarcasm, I'm saying this comment by Sotty is scummy).

@Nik: Creepy... Where have you seen me before?

Newbie 789. I wasn't stalking you specifically, don't worry.

I haven't seen scum distance from scum; but I sure as hell haven't seen everything either.

By this, do you mean that you haven't seen scumteams distancing between the teams, or within them?

[Nikanor]

(in the case of 2 of them, which there isn't here)

Well, there's two scum factions, which is pretty much the same thing mechanics-wise.

@Nik: why the hell would you read that cluster.... crap of a game?

I was laughing at Cojin, my rl friend, the whole way through that game.

[Nikanor]

Happy S-day Amished!
C=

[Nikanor]

What about mine, SpyreX? Forgive me if I make you repeat yourself, but you're here anyway.

[Nikanor]

Is Someone a proper noun? If not, why are you capitalizing it? (Yes, I'm a douche).

I'd rather hear what you think about that, than what the experienced players think, tbh.

[Nikanor]

Not feeling the Stranger wagon at all. Amished replaced a pretty scummy player in my eyes and reading though Spy's 1235 with the conjecture about the hammer makes sense. Iguana still pings my scumdar pretty hard but her post 1247 was good enough to simmer that down.

Blah blah blah, this reads as weak justification. You're 'not feeling the Stranger wagon'? Maybe that's because pretty much everyone unvoted him. If you're just going to jump on the bandwagon for no reason, at least admit it.
Also, bussing.

We need to get our act together here, deadline is coming up and we need 8 votes to make a lynch happen. Both Stranger and Amished are on 5 votes apiece now.

Good to see you're still acting all happy-go-lucky. If

I

had the power to kill, you'd be dead tonight.

Nikanor hops onto the

Coug

Amished wagon for lols

Unvote. Vote: Amished.

[Nikanor]

= This "easy targets" shit annoys me. They are easy because they are scummy.

So if you think their votes against me were justified and that I should have been lynched, what do you think of the people who did not call me anti-town/scummy during that time?

= Krer's hypocrisy is interesting, his refusal to acknowledge Spyrex calling it (and Nikanor coat-tailing on that call later) is doubly so.

Other way around, mate. I called him on it first, then SpyreX backed me up on the point later, IIRC. (See ~p43)

[Nikanor]

Nikanor hops onto the

Coug

Amished

just about any popular wagon for lols

Damned straight. Bandwagon to victory.

[Nikanor]

Only one more vote to hammer Amished, I think. Do you think we'll get it within three hours?

[Nikanor]

yabbaguy, I can see you on AIM. Kindly hammer.

[Nikanor]

But considering an SK would probably be trying to knock scum out at this point,

I'd rather go Mafia hunting.

Erm.

[Nikanor]

Let's lynch Krer tomorrow, 'kay?

[Nikanor]

Makes perfect sense. Quit shitting me.

It makes perfect sense if you're claiming sk. >_>

[Nikanor]

I am a big believer in being as clear and accurate in explaining my actions as possible. THAT is the best thing you can do as town. You can change your mind, you can make mistakes, you can do something stupid, but being as truthful and forthright as you possibly can is the best thing a townie can ever do. Trying to twist actions and words by saying prejudicial things like you have are not.

Eh, I beg to differ, but even if you are scum, I doubt this is false. For the record, I think that lying as town can really pay off. For example, claiming vigilante as vigilante is just about the worst idea ever, just after fakeclaiming a backup role/mason as scum.
Where have I twisted words, anyway?

[Nikanor]

I haven't been liking the Stranger wagon for awhile now, before others unvoted.

So why did you need to reiterate as such?

[Nikanor]

I didn't finish reading day two during the night in case I died.

Bullshit. I'm saddened that scum doesn't trust my scumhunting skills and just kill you already.

Ok, after checking Iguana in ISO, my wild guess is, she never actually hit any scum with her investigation, or she's hiding that breadcrumb really well.

You're scum, too.

Vote: Kreriov.

[Nikanor]

So yeah, I think Nikanor is our Serial Killer.

Except that I totally called Sotty being scum at the end of day three. She would have been dead night three if I were to have anything to do with the kill.
Why did you hammer Sotty so quickly yesterday?

[Nikanor]

Truth to be told, I didn't look at other people voting, and I didn't check the count, so I was quite surprised to see, that actually I threw a hammer here. I did good though, I think...

Wrong answer.

Vote: Col.Cathart.

I did good though, I think...

But as I said, yes, that's my mistake.

I wanted to lynch Sotty for this kind of crap. Why would you make the same mistake your buddy did? Also, this just seems incredibly out of character for you. You see a lynch coming and want to placate your attackers. That's just scummy.

[Nikanor]

Kreirov was trying to push AWAY from a toro/sotty lynch with his read on the cop results, and push TOWARDS a yabba result instead.
(post 1324)

Yes Grimmy, that has been mentioned about a zillion times already. Are you reading the thread?

[Nikanor]

Arg. I now attempt to stab heli through the Internet.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor was a good SK-tell, but meh.

Lol@u. You think Blastinus saw any of these so-called SK-tells on day one? Point out where he saw these tells, please. I would like to know from where you are getting this quote.

[Nikanor]

He obviously didn't declare it as an SK-tell, but in retrospect, screwing around and doing nothing is pretty much just that at most. No way it can be construed as a Mafia tell.

You're fucking with me, right? Please tell me you are. >_>

Where is everyone?

[Nikanor]

Having said all that, input is awesome. Nikanor has been really odd all game, KoC has been a non-contributor, Grimmy is barely here - most of the people I'm depending on seem very distant.

Does that mean you depend on me?

Also, obligatory vote split analysis:
One of Col and yabba is mafia. The other mafia is not voting, probably waiting to see whether they should bus. SK is probably not voting, but that's just because I can't believe there are three townies not voting when the count is at L-3 for two people.
There. Who likes? *Waits for yabba to not like it.*

[Nikanor]

Seriously though, the other mafia should bus Col.

[Nikanor]

To those of you who are not voting: why not?

[Nikanor]

Seriously, yabba. Who is your top suspect? Why aren't you voting him?

[Nikanor]

I AM VOTING KOC YOU DUMBASS SK. LERN TOO REDE!!!11!

I didn't see your vote. No need to be so harsh. And you're going to be really embarrassed tonight when you kill a townie. And btw, when this game is done, I really recommend you get that tunnel vision checked out by a physician.

[Nikanor]

yabba, your case is that I'm apathetic, when I've just been telling everyone who the scum is. I was the first supporter of a Sotty scum case, and guess what? I was right! I was one of the first supporters of a Krer scum case, and guess what? I was right about that, too! Look at some of the posts in which I first call Sotty scum. Do you call that apathy? I'd call it aggression before anything else.

Hey yabba, how's this for 'apathy': We're lynching Col today. Move your vote to him now, or I'll bash your mother fucking skull in. <3
Thank you.

(Disclaimer: I will not actually bash yabba's skull in. Any yabba skull bashing that may occur after this post is purely coincidental).

[Nikanor]

Sorry if that was a bit harsh. I just get frustrated when people call me scum in every single post when I'm not.

[Nikanor]

Later in the game, the SK is obviously going to want to kill scum suspects.

Do you realize how stupid you sound? Everyone here wants scum dead. I'm just trying my best to get the scum lynched.

That's why it makes sense that your scumhunting starts picking up around the time of Kreriov and Sotty, because otherwise the SK would lose, since the scum would endgame everyone.

Craplogic found! You're saying the mafia would endgame EVERYONE, including town. How does this logic apply to me if I'm sk, but not if I'm town?

The fact is that you've been scumhunting in such a bizarre and outspoken way, not really adamant about anything, you're just screwing around with every scum case like it's a laughing matter, and thus nobody takes you seriously

This is more a playstyle flaw than anything else. I think that once people realize what an amazing scumhunter I am they'll follow me more readily, though. :d

A true pro-town player would be going guns blazing after someone, and in the case of vanilla town, would like to get NK'd. You clearly don't want to be the most pro-town player of all, but it's like you don't want to be anywhere near that risk of getting fatally shot. Understandable for someone who can't afford to die at all.

Your reasoning is flawed. Again. In games with multiple scumteams, pro-town people don't get shot. Scummy people get shot.

Anyway, I'm calling SpyreX as sk. I just realized why Michel was killed. SpyreX thought Michel was mafia, so called him sk in order to make himself look less like an sk. Then, when Michel wasn't lynched, SpyreX night-killed him instead.

One of Col and yabba is mafia. The other mafia is not voting, probably waiting to see whether they should bus. SK is probably not voting, but that's just because I can't believe there are three townies not voting when the count is at L-3 for two people.

I don't think there's enough votes down for both of those players to be town. One of them is most likely mafia. The other goon is likely waiting to see where the tide is going to turn before placing their vote, to see if it's worth his while to bus.

[Nikanor]

Yeah, a Col lynch would cheer me up right now.

[Nikanor]

*Hugs for KoC*

yabba, I'm not posting because I have nothing to say. Grimmy's 'Only lynch him if you REALLY want to!' is suspicious, but nothing else really matters because Col/Nul is scum and we're lynching him today.
Now stop calling me sk or I'll revoke your scumhunting privileges.

[Nikanor]

I would insult you as I insult yabba, Nul, but really, your scumhunting isn't fully developed yet, so I can't blame you for just blindly following yabba.

[Nikanor]

I just realised: yabba, we're the only two left out of the original players in this game! Oh noessssssssssssss. Hold me. D:

[Nikanor]

Since I'm probably going to die tonight, since everyone seems to think I'm sk for I don't know why, I'll make a list:

Nikanor

- Obviously town. I'm on the top of the mod's player list, therefore I must be town. Right?

Heilograph / Head_Honcho

- Heilograph is hard to read. :< I'd say neutral, leaning scum, just because of all the lurking done by his predecessor.

Knight of Cydonia / danakillsu / Blastinus

- Town. I still stick by my town read of Blastinus.

yabbaguy

- Town. Despite being completely wrong about me, I still feel like his heart is in the right place.

SerialClergyman / WarWound / hexsixsic6

- I have no idea. His confidence and want for activity strike me as town, but it's SerialClergyman, so that doesn't matter. He's too good for me to read. @_@
However, I'd say that judging by his analysis of Iguana's inspection, he's not mafia. He could still be sk, though.

Nul / Col.Cathart

- I obviously think he's scum.

SpyreX / Snow_Bunny

- sk or town. I don't think he's mafia.

Grimmy / Vaya

- No clue. He could be anything. Grimmy lurks as any alignment afaik, so that can't be applied. Uhm. Oh. Don't rely on what you think of Iguana's breadcrumb! Finding town result breadcrumbs of people is gentle business, and we could easily be wrong about it. So don't trust it, and lynch Grimmy if you think he's scummy!

Hey Heilo, mind hammering Nul?

[Nikanor]

The last mafia huh?

Is this babies first true scumslip?

That's what I thought too, but then I remembered he said Grimmy was mafia, etc. etc.

[Nikanor]

Twilight!
Now I can go Wheeeeeeeeeeee!

[Nikanor]

I don't trust the 'cop inspect,' Spy. Not one bit. Maybe I'm paranoid, but I don't trust it at all.

[Nikanor]

Also, overkill and simulposts.

[Nikanor]

EAT IT, YABBA. I TOLD YOU I WAS TOWN. WHAT NOWWWWWWWWWWW?

@Grimmy: I was surprised.

[Nikanor]

Time to see who dies tonight.

Vote: Nolynch.

P.S. I'm a Paranoid Gun Owner.

[Nikanor]

I hammered it already, no need to go overkill on the nolynch.

[Nikanor]

Ohh nooooooooo!
Serial Clergyman, you shalt be missed.

[Nikanor]

Ohhhhhh.
The plot thickens!

[Nikanor]

I expected me to die, too, Spy! Oh well.

[Nikanor]

yabba, where are you?

[Nikanor]

That said... NIK GET IN HAR ABOUT NOWS KTHX.

Not today. Maybe tomorrow.
I have plans tonight and am just online to do modding stuff. So yeah, tomorrow.

[Nikanor]

I think it's KoC!

Vote: Knight of Cydonia.

Wheeeee.

[Nikanor]

Oops. My bad!

[Nikanor]

Agggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I should have stuck with my initial town read on Blastinus! Confound it all!
Oh well. My town reads on yabba, Blastinus and Flava were right, and my scum reads on Sotty, Krer and Col were right, so not a bad game overall. I think I learned a lot about saying Wheeee in this game.