Newbie 937 ~ Mafia Lite [Game Over]

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/confirm pumpkin

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For the lulz.

Also,

Vote: razorback

for no reason at all.

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Do you prefer being Town or Scum, and What is your experience with Mafia?

Do you find lurking to be a scum tell?

I prefer Scum, because it presents an interesting challenge, attempting to outsmart the majority while picking them off, causing chaos etc. However, town is also pretty fun, because you're trying to use logic to analyse whatever data you have to find out who's lying.

As for my experience with Mafia, I've finished about 4 games off-site and I am in two games here, both of them newbie games.


Well, as for lurking, it depends whether the person is actively lurking, or passively lurking. If someone is actively looking at the thread but not posting, it might be a scumtell, trying to avoid attention. But simply not visiting the site isn't a scumtell, they might have bad internet or a life to attend to.



Now here's some of my questions, for everyone:


1. Do you prefer a faster paced game or a slower game with discussion?

2. Do you think online mafia is more a psychological game or a logic game?

3. On day 1, do you think that a random lynch is better than no lynch?

4. Do you think that WIFOM is a scumtell?

5. Do you think that OMGUS is a scumtell?

6. Would you classify your playstyle as aggresive, analytical, passive or other (if so, state what).



Personally, to answer my own questions:

1. I prefer a slower game with more discussion, you get more data to work with.
2. I think that online mafia is a logic game, trying to piece together things which just don't fit to decide who is right and who is dead.
3. I think that on day 1, a random lynch still has a chance of catching scum, and even if it doesn't, it gives more data to work with, eliminating a person as possible scum.
4. An excess of WIFOM and solely WIFOM is a scumtell.
5. OMGUS is either a sign of newbiness or careless scum.
6. I'd classify myself as analytical.

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Why don't you want to answer the questions, eh? It makes you look incredibly suspicious, especially considering the complete lack of sense in your post. Denying information to the town only hurts town.
Please answer the questions, razor.
(also, hate to be a grammar/spelling nazi, but please...)

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Why don't you want to answer the questions, eh? It makes you look incredibly suspicious, especially considering the complete lack of sense in your post. Denying information to the town only hurts town.
Please answer the questions, razor.
(also, hate to be a grammar/spelling nazi, but please...)

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sorry about the double/triple post, stupid laggy internet connection...

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Sorry guys, I've just been a bit lazy, mainly because discussion here has barely started.

I personally think that razorback is being needlessly hyper-defensive, and it looks suspicious to me. Seeing as so far no one has actually done anything overtly scummy so far, razorback seems to be the one who could do with a bit of experimental pressure. Ve haf vays off making you tahlk!
Yeah, so for now I'm keeping my vote on razorback due to a lack of anyone else acting suspicious.

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Ugh, slow discussion. Scum, do something stupid so that we can identify you!

I find it amusing (and possibly slightly suspicious) that two of the most active players have their vote on horrordude.

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Exilon, it was a joke intended to get discussion going, seeing as no-one wants to post here due to there being no activity of any positive description.

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@pops: That's because I'm not actually trying to raise suspicions, I'm trying to get discussion going. Without discussion, the best we can do is hope for a lucky random lynch. Which I think is stupid. I'm trying to get people to start talking, so we can actually figure out who seems to be acting the most scummy.

Speak up, lurkers

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He's not pointing out the number of days, he's pointing out the distinction of:
"we, the town, together will find the scum"
to
"you, the town, not including me, will find the scum"

Although it just equally could be directed at me, seeing as he was directing it at my "Get discussion going" post. So I think jumping onto a vote isn't the smartest idea.

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Exilon, it was a joke intended to get discussion going, seeing as no-one wants to post here due to there being no activity of any positive description.

Don't worry, you have 17 days to figure it all out. lol

Notice how my post was directly preceding his post? I'm saying that there is the possibility that he slipped up and gave a reveal of his inner scumminess, but there is also the probability that he was just refering to me trying to get discussion going.

That's what I meant.

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No, we make sense, because we analyse what everybody says and try to figure out who is scum. The reason why we say something is scummy, is because it is. Also, not contributing to helping the town figure out who is scum is just as bad.

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Instead of lynching ahoda and possibly hitting a townie, why not just replace him, seeing as he doesn't seem to want to play? It's far safer than just lynching him, ending the day early and giving us absolutely no information at all?

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You know, I think if ahoda isn't helping and won't replace out then we should deal with the problem. Unhelpful townies that refuse to ask for a replacement need to be handled as we would in any other game. Yes, I know it sounds scummy but anti-town players always lead to mafia wins and I would rather not have that again.

Sorry, just fixed spelling so that it's actually readable.
Ok, the last sentance really strikes me as suspicious, as he's acknowledging that the previous part seems scummy. He seems to be saying, "Ok, he's not replacing, we should just not vote for him and ignore him". This seems casting ahoda as an off-limits target.

True, I'm very hard to get to come forward because I come off as sounding scummy most of the time. I have to explain myself more often then not so, I have to watch what I say and do my very best when I play to help, which is hard for me because I'm not very good at it.

You seem to be saying "Ignore all my scummy actions, it's me being insecure and unable to properly express myself". This seems like a poor excuse, I think.

Skerteg, I like your long post. When I stop being lazy I'll get to ISOing everybody, by tomorrow at the latest.

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Sorry about inactivity, I've just been lazy. Within 24 hours I'll post an ISO on everyone to make up for my laziness.

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Give or take an hour, I'd say, that my promise to deliver a omniISO within 24 hours was pretty accurate.
Here is my ISO on all players. It is in alphabetical order, with an Overall read on the individual in question. The overall read is on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being definately scum and 10 being definately town. 1 and 10 ratings are only awarded post-humously. Everybody begins at 5, and it adjusts depending on your actions. At the end is a summary for the tl;dr people.

ahoda/Leafsnail

0:4- Fluff
5- RV on skerterg, due to codeword
6- ahoda states that he's played Mafia at GLB(? Can someone tell me what this acronym is?) before
7- Says that he's been reading but hasn't had a reason to post
8- 'Dont worry, you have 17 days to figure it all out. lol'
a) This is the 'you' post that everyone was talking about a while ago. I personally think that it was directed at me, not the town as a whole.
9- Fluff
10- Ignores horrordude0215's post and says that why he said 17 days
11- Says that players on this site make no sense. Says that his joke isn't scummy. Says that the only possible action is a random lynch. Says that he doesn't care if he is voted.
12- a) Says that having 'the more experienced guys post questions for the new guys to answer' is bad, even though no questions were asked.
b) Says that answering the questions just gives experienced people more ammo to be used against less skilled players
c) Says he's not going to post
13- Says that he wants to be voted out because of opinion on the community.
14- Self-votes
15- Unvotes himself
16- Analysis of everyone
a) Votes razorback
17- Fluff


Overall read on ahoda/Leafsnail- 5

It's extremely difficult to make an accurate reading when most of the game was played by a player who wanted to get himself killed and not play anyway. Although Leafsnail seems to be a lot better than ahoda, for now. Not enough data...

Exilon

0- Fluff
1- RV horrordude0215
2- Explanation/helping Kelikar
3- Fluff
4- Approves of things which get us out of the RVS
5- Only one game on this site, no preference for town/scum
a) Says that Lynch all Liars is generally right, but depends on circumstance
6- a) Says that he likes a long game
b) Says that no-lynch is better than totally random lynch, but first day isn't normally totally random.
7:8- Fluff
9- Defends himself against Skerterg
10- Pleased we left the RVS
a) Unvotes
b) Wonders why Kranix votes pops
c) Encourages ahoda to post
11- Fluff
12- Sarcasm- I like.
13- a) Attempts to decipher ahoda
b) Attacks ahoda, Votes ahoda
14- Unvotes after realising that ahoda could replace out
15- Fluff
16- Accuses Pops
17:18- Fluff
19- A long post
a) Asks Maskman about his predecessor
b) Analyses some data on Skerterg


Overall read on Exilon- 6:7

Seems to be fairly town in my opinion, due to active attempts to get discussion going and to scumhunt. However, the chance always exists that you are a scum attempting to take control, but I think this is unlikely, due to the fact that your posts generally have logic and sense behind them.

horrordude0215

0- Confirm
1- RV Exilion
2- EBWOP
3- Fluff
4- Questions
a) Loves being scum, more enjoyable
b) Completed two games on-site
5- EBWOP
6:7- Fluff
8- Question answers
a) Medium paced-game
b) More logic
c) Unknown playstyle
d) Votes razorback
9- Fluff
10- Votes ahoda
11:13- Fluff
14- Votes popsofctown
a) Says that putting noob on L-1 as IC is stupid
15:22- Fluff

Overall read on horrordude0215- 5

You seem to have been doing a small amount of scumhunting, but a large portion of your posts seem to fluff posts not actually contributing to the thread.

kelikar

0- Confirms, first mafia game
1- RV popsofctown
2:4- Fluff
5- Likes being scum, as it's fun
6- Says he likes logic, but normally does gut decisions
7- Fluff
8- Questions
a) Psychological game
b) Passive player
9- Says that razorback is 'quick to point finger at horrordude'
10- Unvotes pops, because he 'shouldn't really have one yet'.
11- Votes Kranix for lurking
12:13- Fluff
14- FoS on pops due to wanting to lynch ahoda now
15- No need to rush things
16:17- Fluff
18- Has tunnelled solely on Kranix since post 11
19- Says that the "ahoda's 'you' post" is nitpicking. Continues to focus on Kranix
20- Unvotes (because of replacement)
21- Says that razorback is starting to look like paranoid scum
a) FoS's three people
22- Votes razorback

Overall read on kelikar- 5

You've been tunnelling on razorback and Kranix pretty much the entire game. Overall, you seem to be fairly narrowly focussed, and don't seem to believe that anyone other razorback and Kranix could be scum.

Kranix/mask man

0- Confirm
1- Votes popsofctown
2- Sprouts meme on entry

Overall read on Kranix/mask man- 5

There is pretty much NO information at all to go on for this duo. Hopefully this will be rectified soon.

popsofctown

0:1- Confirm
2- RV horrordude0215
3- Explanation of role balance
4:6- Fluff
7- Question answers
a) Faster pace
b) Passive play
8:10- Fluff
11- FoS Red Start due to pot-stirring while not sticking neck out
12- Fluff
13- Votes ahoda
14- Asks ahoda to replace out, does not unvote
15- a) Doesn't treat L-1 like a hammer
b) 'Lots of effort to unvote and revote him'
16- Doesn't want to move his vote around unnecesarrily
17:19- Fluff
20- Says he is trying to look 'unsuspicious'
21:22- Fluff
23- Believes that there is a skerterg/Red Star scum pairing
24- Vote Red Star
25- Fluff

Overall read on popsofctown- 4.5

There are a large amount of fluff posts, and quite a bit of redundancy. There are few really confusing/stupid things such as the 'moving vote around unnecesarrily', or the 'trying to look unsuspicious'. As an IC, you shouldn't be making silly little mistakes, so I'm slightly suspicious of you.

razorback

0- Confirm
1- RV Skerterg
2- Fluff
3- Refuses to answer horrordude's questions due to it being a 'role fishing plan'
4- Says that horrordude's questions are asking people's roles
a) Says that it's just the way he plays
5:7- Fluff
8- Unvotes, accuses a Red Star ahoda pairing
9- Says that if ahoda doesn't replace we should deal with problem
10- 'unhelpful people don't need to play'
11- Fluff
12- 'very hard to get to come forward because i come off as sounding scummy'
13- Fluff
14- Extremely defensive
15- Says he's a bit on edge
a) Temper problem
b) Says he's better suited for power role
16- Performance better as mafia
17:20- Fluff

Overall read on razorback- 4

You seem to be acting extremely defensively over very slight accusations or questions, which makes you appear as if you are a paranoid scum. You also state that you are on edge in this game, which further makes me believe that you are scum. You've contributed little to the thread except for clarifying your own posts and aggresively responding to people's accusations against you.

skerterg

0- Confirm
1- Exilion
2- First online game of mafia
a) Exited to start a game. This phrasing makes me believe that skerterg is a power-role or scum, or just really eager townie depending on personality. Not important, but worth pointing out.
3- Argues with Exilion despite arguing the same side
4:5- Fluff
6- Votes Red Star for lurking
7- Unvotes Red Star, than says he will be inactive (I like the hypocrisy in this and the previous post. )
8- Wants ahoda to explain his behaviour
9- Fluff
10- The SOAP of doom
11:14- Fluff
15- Explains the Red Star vote
a) Says razorback's style is very inconsistant

Overall read on skerterg- 6

You've been actively scumhunting and you seem to be decently active in terms on analysis. Your SOAP really gave you big positive karma points in your favour. Overall, you're fairly decent in terms of cleanliness.

Summary for the lazies-

razorback- 4
popsofctown- 4.5
Kranix/mask man- 5
kelikar- 5
horrordude0215- 5
skerterg- 6
Exilion- 6:7


Overall, I currently believe that razorback and popsofctown look the most scummy.


Sorry for this incredibly long winded post.



Anyway, to answer Leafsnail asking me to explain my actions clearly, I'll do my best.

In this game, I've mainly been watching how the game unfolds, trying to see everyones' interactions with each other. I'm an extremely analytical player, and I generally like to stir up a hornets' nest in order to get good, hard data. However, I have also been fairly lazy in terms of posting, for which I apologise, especially considering that the activity was fairly low in the beginning. I promise to increase my activity to one post per day at least.

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double post blah blah

Everyone wants to see my cat when she was 2 months old, though! ~KittyMo

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Mod, could you please edit the double post such that it isn't so big? I'm sure no-one wants to see two really long posts next to each other...

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Unvote

The last thing that I want is for someone to be lynched before the deadline.

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Of all the reasons you could have given to unvote, this is your reason?
....Well.... could you please clarify it? As it is right now, I can't help but read it as: "I want for people to be lynched because of the deadline".

Also, I remind you that there's some points you still haven't discussed and that me and Pops have brought up. Even if it was a while I ago, I'd like to mention that you never touched them; while keeping your attention focused on Ahoda.

At the moment, it is almost a week before the deadline. I do not want a player to be lynched while there is still discussion possible; the more information, the better. Had I not unvoted, someone may have come in with a hammer, and ended discussion prematurely. That's why I unvoted.

Which points are these, sorry? I must have missed them, could you quote them for me?

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Razorback, tell me, when have I done more damage to the town than you? You've made some really stupid statements, voted someone without a case on them, have a writing style that's absolutely god-damned impossible to read and you spend more time clarifying and defending yourself than you do trying to actually scumhunt.

Exilion, I'll get around to answering your points, it's just that now I'm in a rush in the morning, I'll post in around 10-ish hours.

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ow, let's see here. To remind, pops adressed Red Star's posts after and commented, "I think Red Star is pot-stirring while trying not to stick his neck out. I've got my eye on him.", FoS'ing him; Red Star does answer that that is because he's not trying to raise suspicions, but rather get discussion going.
But why would a person who wants to get discussion going retract upon my comment about his initial " possible suspicion"? Sure, it was a joke - but how does "maybe you are suspicious" "why?" "it was a joke, nevermind" contribute to get discussion going? Simply put, it doesn't; and that doesn't make much sense. It's like, if we follow what he said, he was trying to start discussion with the REST of the players but himself. Also, to notice, is that he didn't answer anything I posted after his first quote.
Not "why is it suspicious?" nor "have you noticed there's someone else with two people on them?". I do point that out briefly after it (Ps91:"Err... ok? I find that slightly wrong... but... "), but that's when Ahoda comes in, and suddenly that's where the focus is.

Ok just to make sure that you know what I'm refering to; I'm refering to the part about how the joke contributed to discussion (or didn't) and that it's hypocritical. This was really stupid on my part, and I must admit that as a human being not everything I post is perfect. However, seeing as it was the beginning of the game and discussion is now occuring, I personally think that it isn't that important and slightly useless now, because we are talking.


As for Razorback, I have discovered his plan. It is to make the town infinitely stupider reading his posts, depriving them of all sanity and reason, as well as commiting murder to the English language to prevent us from conversing in it. I think. It's hard to tell, he's too erratic. In all honesty, I don't consider him a great source of reason or help, he's more like an obstacle that the town regularly needs to overcome in order to function properly.
In all seriousness, I'd actually like to know what 'meta' you've found on me?

one of a kind scum meta

This quote screams stupid at me in every language in the known universe. What is this 'meta' you speak of? If it's one of a kind, how do you know it's scum? Why should town believe that you've discovered some deep, mystical posting pattern when you fail to present your findings and you're incapable of stringing a coherent sentance together?

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Pops, instead of commenting that razorback's posting style is hilarious, could you actually contribute your opinions of the situation? For instance, who do you think is acting the scummiest in the game so far?

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You haven't actually made an argument, you've just quoted a bunch of posts and said that it speaks for itself. I'd like an explanation of:
a) What the hell we're meant to be looking at
b) What your argument is
c) This 'meta' that you keeping talking about.

Instead of just stringing a bunch of seperate quotes together, could you actually make a coherent argument and explain why you think I'm scum, instead of trying to accuse me without any case?

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If you can't find time to prove your point, then your argument is invalid

because you haven't got an argument!

You've also avoided several points. For instance:

Tell us what games have you checked and what made you see that. Show us, to help us see what you see.

If you are so sure, or if you have this great case, it does not help the town one bit if you do not express it clearly.

What is this 'meta' you speak of? If it's one of a kind, how do you know it's scum? Why should town believe that you've discovered some deep, mystical posting pattern when you fail to present your findings and you're incapable of stringing a coherent sentance together?

I'd like an explanation of:
a) What the hell we're meant to be looking at
b) What your argument is
c) This 'meta' that you keeping talking about.

Instead of just stringing a bunch of seperate quotes together, could you actually make a coherent argument and explain why you think I'm scum, instead of trying to accuse me without any case?

Answer these points that you've been avoiding.

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a) I fail to see these 'stupid, useless jokes', I seem to remember only making one of them.
b) I haven't twisted anybody's words. I may have misread and misunderstood one post, tops.
c) The reason that people are now focussing on you is because you've accused someone and voted them without a case, and when pressured for a case you say that you don't have one. Also, when you try to make a case, it's an illogical string of random quotes which have no relation to each other.
d) I've been in only two games here, so I fail to see what meta you are talking about. You keep mentioning this 'meta' as if it is a repellent, kinda like "

THE POWER OF BULLCRAP COMPELS YOU!

". Also, if you've had so much time to analyse my every single post, why don't you have enough time to actually make a coherent argument, or at least use a spell checker (seriously, it would make you at least seem like you care)?
e) I agree, you are not a normal townie. You are completely and utterly insane, the being void of all reason
f) Hate the limelight? I fail to see any limelight. We've been having discussion. By your own 'argument', you are scum, because you 'hate the limelight'.
g) What. You say that I'm lurking, but then immediatley state that you too have been doing this. How does this make me any more scummy than you?

Your argument makes no sense.

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Yeah, we have four days before the deadline, let's make use of them by holding off votes so we can get maximum discussion.

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How can you be so sure if you haven't even presented a case? Coherently prove that I am scum, instead of just saying that it's obvious and that you're sure you're right.

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i know i sound half crazed now but you know ten out of 12 i'm always right

You don't sound half crazed, you make Cthulhu seem sane. You say that you are 83% always right? This makes no sense.

and hope the town will trust me

This is a game of Mafia. In mafia, no-one trusts each other, it's all about who makes the most logical and reasoned argument (or who's luckiest). You've completely failed to present any case, even when constantly asked. If you could present a case with even a glimmer of sense (and use a spell checker) you might be taken seriously.

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Crap, I can't take it anymore! Even if he is town, I don't care at all, his posts make no sense whatsoever, and if he survived he would be a huge pain in the side to the town. His last two posts are incomprehensable, so imagine having him in lylo. In all honesty, I don't particularly care about his alignment anymore, I just want him to shut up.

Vote: razorback

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Even if razorback is a clueless townie, he hasn't actually contributed much to the thread. If he was to remain around, imagine how

useful

he'd be in, say, lylo. That's why I voted him.

Also, Leafsnail, I never claimed he was guaranteed scum, I said he was the most suspicious. Now, I've changed my assessment to really idiotic townie who isn't helping much at all. He has avoided so many points requested of him it's not funny, and he's had the time to look up 'meta' but not write a coherent case.

This is anti-town play.

razorback- If you have a power-role, please claim.

mask man has only posted twice, which strikes me as suspicious

popsofctown's last three posts consisted of saying:
'Razorback is too scummy to be scum'
'Razorback is so funny and I wish we couldn't lynch him so I can laugh at him more.
'Razorback is probably demented town'
Make what you will of that.

he never gave an adequate answer why he unvoted his prime suspicion

Yes I did. I said that I wanted discussion to continue until the deadline, so that someone couldn't just come on and hammer. Then I re-voted, for the reasons I stated above.

Three things I'd like right now are for horrordude0215, mask man and kelikar to post.

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Um, I think the number on the votecount is wrong, you might want to fix that.

Fixed! Thanks! =] ~Kitty

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One thing which I find rather strange, the three other people who are voting on razorback have ample time to unvote and revote me, especially considering that they consider me to be a higher chance of being scum. Why is this?

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Blah, after checking the phrasing I realised how impossible to understand that was
EBWOP:
Why do the people who are voting razorback still have their vote on him despite them saying that I have a higher chance of being scum?

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Seeing as I might not get a chance to roleclaim in the next 12 hours, I'll do it now, what with the high likelyhood of me being lynched.
I am the doctor.

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Nice way to cut off discussion for the town, there. </sarcasm>
Anyway, I am going to be protecting kelikar tonight. I will post my justification tomorrow.

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^- I do not know who or what you are refering to, could you clarify? Besides, I think that we can't unvote now, because someone hammered.

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The Doc Diaries

I write this at 9:42am GMT time, 27th of April.

Originally my plan had been to lie low, trying to seem as little of a threat to the scum as possible, by appearing to be slightly scummy. Hopefully, I would be able to survive the night, with the mafia thinking that killing me would be a waste of a NK, because town would lynch me Day 2. My goal was to try and get involved as little as possible and be an observer as much as possible, to let things unfold and take a back seat. Then in Day 2, claim doctor, do stuff and win. I didn't really think that part through.

However, I naturally fucked up in my brilliant plan, specifically at 235-261. I became too involved in the razorback incident, and made myself seem far too scummy. Now, getting lynched on Day 1 would be a huge hit to town (kinda), and I was at a loss. Then I realised that if I claimed, some idiot might counterclaim and give town an easy target for tomorrow. After all, I consider a doc-for-scum trade an excellent deal. However, if no-one counterclaimed, my plan was to publically declare that I am protecting X and that they are guaranteed to survive the night. Scum, seeing this, would naturally not bother trying to NK X, and instead try to kill someone else. However, I wouldn't be protecting X, in the hope scum believes this, and in fact defending another person. Naturally, this is WIFOM, and really likely to fail miserably. Time will tell.

Crap, I just realised, what if the scum have a roleblocker?! They'd remove my ability to protect people, which means that they'd kill someone else anyway, and leave me alive for me to be brutally lynched by the town Day 2, paving the way for a scum victory. This is really bad... How the hell can I fix this mess I made? Hopefully, in such a situation, the cop will still have been able to make a search. If they find scum, brilliant! If they do not, well, town is likely to gang up on me, and lynch me, leaving town 6-2 against scum. If the cop investigated me, then I'd be in the clear, and scumhunting could commence in earnest. If someone claims to have investigated me and returned a guilty result, then I know that person is scum, and I will begin to vote.

Gah! So many situations, so many possibilities. Why was I such an idiot?! Ok, best thing to do, claim to protect X. Scum will not attack X, giving him 'protection', and they will most likely attack the most the person doing the most scumhunting. Then, I will defend myself, meaning scum doesn't get a NK. However, if they roleblock me, kill X, and frame me, then I will need to hope that there is a cop and that they made an investigation. If they get a guilty result on me, lynch them. If they get a guilty result on someone else, lynch that person. If they get an innocent result on me, start scumhunting. There will be plenty of time, so we should be very, very careful.

I now write this at 10:02am GMT time, 27th of April.

Originally, I had planned to defend Exilon, as he was composing the most content-filled posts, but then I noticed something. Exilon and skerterg were congratulating each other, with both saying that the other had a high chance of being town. For now, I'm inclined to believe in a two-scum tag team taking control of the town (yay for alliteration!) and trying to steer it, and doing a really good job of it. So no, I'm not protecting either of them. In fact, I'm personally inclined to protect kelikar, and I will in fact post so in the thread right now, 10:06am GMT, 27th April. If I die tonight due to being roleblocked, I hope the town wins. In such a situation, I will post this at the end of the game.

I now write this at 1:06am GMT time, 29th of April

Ok, it seems that razorback was scum. Yay for lucky guess! Anyway, this eliminates the possibility of an Exilon/skerterg team, so I have decided to protect Exilon instead of kelikar. Please work.


~Red Star out~





Honestly, I think scum was just completely idiotic right then. In my opinion, they decided to leave me alive so that town decides to lynch me, wasting Day 2. Hopefully this won't come to pass.

Ok, I currently suspect popsofctown due to his rather poor defence of razorback, consisting of "He's funny, let's not lynch him". Then he hammers razorback after saying that I'm his final vote and he's going V/LA. Overall, that is suspicious enough to warrant a vote from me.

Vote: popsofctown

[Red Star]

So Excedrin, Exilon is obviously scum in the same way I am, right? Because I'm not really seeing that much scumminess from him in comparison to some other people.

[Red Star]

Exilon, a similar thing happened in my previous game, Newbie 931. Someone who was acting scummy claimed doctor and was left alive on Night 1. It turned out he was the legitimate doctor and we managed to win on Day 2. I personally think that the scum are trying to pull a WIFOM and leave me alive, hoping that the town wastes Day 2 lynching me. Besides, if I was the scum, I would have to have balls of steel to claim doctor with the scum-buddy dead. And my idea was not to appear to be hugely scummy, it was to try and make myself appear to be as non-threatening a target as possible.

Could you please give me at least one or two examples of this situation? Because I don't really remember commenting that Skerteg had a high chance of being town. (Although I do recall seeing the opposite)

Woops, that was a misread of your post 18 when you were talking to skerterg about his SOAP.

I personally don't know why Leafsnail was killed. I considered him to be probable scum due to a bit of back-and-forth between ahoda and razorback, but now it's clear that ahoda was just a really stupid townie.


Finally, is there a person willing to claim cop?

[Red Star]

So, everyone has posted, and no one so far has counterclaimed or claimed cop. What I can assume from this is that we are playing on a double-goon and doc setup. Anyone disagree?

@popsofctown: It wouldn't have been a no-lynch. Lynch occurs on majority at time-out. Therefore razorback would have been lynched anyway. Also, I'd like to know where you got your statistics, it seems that you're just throwing numbers to try and save your skin.

[Red Star]

I've been unable to post for a while due to some stuff I've had to do, so sorry about that. I'll post my thoughts on what's happened so far tomorrow (real-time, not game time... fool)

[Red Star]

Hey, sorry guys, but I'll be on V/LA until the 10th or 11th.

Noted! No prods for you til after then! ~Kitty

[Red Star]

Ok guys, I'm back!

It looks to me like Exilon and Excedrin are two townies who are actively checking the thread. So I don't think that either of them are scum.
This to me leaves popsofctown, skerterg, horrordude0215 and KageLord.
Of these four, I'm inclinded to believe that skerterg is a townie, due to his high-content posts and general scumhunting.
Therefore, I believe that the final scum is either popsofctown, horrordude0215 or KageLord.

(You'll have to excuse my habit of summarising posts to their bare essentials.)

popsofctown-
0:1- Fluff
2- RV horrordude0215
3- Theory explanation
4- States that town requires less work.
5:6- Fluff
7- Passive player
8:10- Fluff
11- FoS: Red Star due to throwing out suspicions without following up
12- Says that ahoda's post 105 sounds paranoid
13- Votes ahoda
14- Asks ahoda to replace out without unvoting him
15- "Lots of effort to unvote him and revote him"
16- "I don't like to move my vote around unnecessarily. It's noise."
17:19- Fluff
20- Doesn't like to move vote, because it complicates game
21:22- Fluff
23- Says that a Skerterg/Red Star pairing is possible
24- Votes Red Star
25- Fluff
26- Says moving vote around will confuse people about intentions.
a) Says that massive posts are not auto-town
27:28- Fluff
29- razorback's style is hilarious
30- razorback too scummy to be scum
31- Does not want to lynch razorback because he wants to watch him post more

Ok, with post 31, he says that he doesn't want to lynch razorback, stating it in a resigned tone, after previously voting Red Star. Later on, he unvotes and hammers razorback. This seems pretty inconsistant.

32- Says that razorback seems to be town aligned insane, instead of scum aligned insane.
33- Fluff
34- Hammers razorback

Ok, with post 31 and this post, this is a huge amount of inconsistancy in a very short amount of time. This makes me rather suspicious of pops now.

35:36- Fluff
37- Suprised about razorback's alignment.
38:41- Fluff
42- Votes Skerterg due to placement of vote
43:44- Fluff
45- Disintrested
46- Wary of Skerterg for giving town read on pops. Possibly trying to cast suspicion on someone without seeming overly scum
47- ???
48- Says he has too many townreads in the game
49- Votes KageLord


horrordude0215-
0- Fluff
1- RV/OMGUS Exilon
2:3- Fluff
4- Loves being scum.
5:7- Fluff
8- Says razorback is overly defensive. Votes razorback
9- Asks Kranix for reason for vote
10- Votes ahoda due to small pronoun slip.

Know that we know that ahoda/Leafsnail is/are actually town, this seems to be a scum trying to divert attention to someone else and seem to actually be scumhunting while baselessly accusing people.

11:13- Fluff
14- Votes pops due to putting ahoda at L-1
15- Says that "L-1 is a gutsy move", because scum can quickhammer
16:22- Fluff
23- Votes Razorback because razorback is not contributing to town
24- Fluff
25- Hypocrisy, because accusing pops of putting ahoda on L-1 is gutsy but did the same thing with razorback. Says that he miscounting the votes.
26- Not 100% focussed on game
27- Claims that he believed ahoda slipped up, so he changed his vote.
28:30- Fluff
31- Votes Excedrin due to misrep
32- Fluff
33- Claims Excedrin needs more votes
34:35- Fluff
36- Unvotes, because he believes that it's two bickering town.
37- Doesn't want to vote popsofctown because not ready to put him at L-1
38- Votes skerterg because he didn't analyse horrordude0215.

This seems again to be horrordude accusing people and trying to throw suspicions around without looking scummy himself.

39:40- Fluff


Kelikar/KageLord
0- Fluff
1- RV popsofctown
2- Fluff
3- Tries to pull game out of RVS by something that's far-fetched
4:8- Fluff
9- Accuses razorback of accusing horrordude very fast
10- Unvote
11- Votes Kranix due to lurking
12- Fluff
13- Says person who replaces ahoda has explaining to do
14- Accuses pops of wanting to finish game early.
15:17- Fluff
18- Wants people to focus on Kranix instead of ahoda
19- Says people are nitpicking the ahoda "you" post.
20- Unvotes
21- Votes Razorback
22- Misread horrordude's post as Red Star's
23- V/LA
24- Back
25- People who didn't want to lynch razorback do not have the best intrests of town in mind
26- Final post by kelikar

INTRO OF KAGELORD

27- Would like other people to give opinion seeing as last posts by Excedrin and Exilon
28- Wants explanation from pops
29- Says pops is suspicious due to not responding to suspicions against him.
30- Suspicious of pops of Exilon.
31- Says he's not scum.
32- Tries to justify the fact he's not scum.
33- Votes pops
34- Says that the fact he's defending himself means he's not scum
35:36- Fluff
37- Confident town can win with a mislynch
38- Fluff



My order of the most suspicious is Horrordude0215, then popsofctown, then KageLord.
This is because of the lack of content in his posts, and his quickness to accuse different people and vote for them.
I'm suspicious of popsofctown because of his inconsistancy, his "razorback is funny let's not kill him" and his lack of actual scumhunting posts.
I'm suspicious of KageLord because he is very defensive and seems to be trying too hard to convince people that he's scum.

That said:

Unvote, Vote: horrordude0215

....Huh?

I originally wrote that thinking that I could self-protect, because I've only read my role PM once. Then I read it again, and realised that I couldn't self-protect. So I went back and changed some things so it made sense, but it looks like I missed some parts

Welcome back ~KittyMo

[Red Star]

@horrordude:
I provided my opinions on the matter of "who is scum". If parts of my analysis of you were mis-reads, then it's not my fault, that's just how I read it as. Besides, I personally think that scum is likely to be one of the three people who I looked at, and you struck me as the scummiest.

[Red Star]

Sorry about not posting, I've been busy.
It would appear that two of the three of the top-scum suspects are dead.
Kagelord/Kelikar is currently my top suspicion, due to being the only survivor of a process of elimination.

However, I have a suspicion of skerterg, as well. The objective of scum is to survive, and the best possible method to stay alive is to convince town that you are a good, analytical townie. Also, the fact that he jumped on ahoda in his Post 8 makes me seem as if he's just picking an easy target.

I suspect everybody right now, but those are my main ones, Kagelord being on top.


My one question to everybody, should I say who I protected or wait to see if/when a cop claims?

[Red Star]

Ok, let's see the suspicions against me:

- Hasn't been actively scumhunting (KageLord)
- Only just re-appeared to take his spot (KageLord)
- Scum didn't kill Red Star Night 2 (KageLord)
- Nothing but lurk (skerterg)
- "Doc Diaries" seems to be shoving 'im doc' into face (KageLord)
- Has not stopped a NK (Excedrin)
- Acting scummy (Excedrin)
- Almost not playing (Excedrin)
- Didn't reply to suspicions (KageLord)
- Doc claim at sensitive time (Excedrin)
- Appears to know how razorback will flip (Excedrin)
- Post appears forced (Excedrin)

Quite a list, I must say. Let's narrow it down into broader areas.

-Lurk (KageLord, skerterg, Excedrin)
-Night Actions (Excedrin, KageLord)
-Not scumhunting (KageLord)
-Scummy Behavior (KageLord, Excedrin)
-End of Day 1 Actions (Excedrin)

Right, now let's try and get through this list.

Lurk

Yes, I was active in the beginning of the game, and then I began lurking. This is because I had very little time, and so I was mostly only able to check up on the thread instead of posting. Now, that's over, so I'll be posting more.

Night Actions

Well, what the hell am I meant to say? Night 1, I protected Exilon, Night 2 I protected skerterg. Both times, the mafia decided to kill someone else. How am I supposed to answer the statement that 'this is scummy'? I have no control over who the mafia decides to kill.

Not Scumhunting

Well, how am I meant to respond to this? I think my Post 16 and Post 44 qualify as scumhunting. Besides, see the the point about Lurk.

Scummy Behavior

This was said by Kagelord (about the Doc Diaries) and by Excedrin (in general). The 'doc diaries' thing I can justify as me trying to show my thought process during Night 1, so that people understand what I was thinking. As for Excedrin's 'general scumminess' point, I have no idea how I'm supposed to reply. I'm sorry? At least tell me WHERE I've been acting scummy, because vague statements such as yours are impossible to defend against.

End of Day 1 Actions

This is split into two parts, the Doctor claim and supposed pre-cognition. I claimed Doctor when I did, because I know that I am town. I was at L-2 and about to sleep then anyway, and I believed that someone would simply vote me and get me lynched. The way I saw it, I was effectivly at L-1, so I claimed. This meant that:
a) Someone who was playing poorly at the time (razorback) would be lynched instead of me
b) The scum might try to counter claim and provide an easy target
That's why I claimed. Secondly, my supposed ability to forsee razorback's alignment. I can't see the future, Excedrin. I fully believed that razorback was simply a townie who was playing poorly and wouldn't be a help to town. I had no idea he was going to flip scum. And I have no idea how you managed to get 'knew razorback's role' from:

Nice way to cut off discussion for the town, there. </sarcasm>
Anyway, I am going to be protecting kelikar tonight. I will post my justification tomorrow.

According to you, I knew his role due to the </sarcasm> tag. However, if you read my sentence, it was phrased as such:

Nice way to cut off discussion for the town

Because this could have been interpreted as a mafia congratulating another on a mis-lynch, I put in a sarcasm tag.


Finally, just in case you missed it in Night Actions, I protected skerterg Night 2. If I missed any of the suspicions against me, let me know.

[Red Star]

Ok, several more suspicions on me then.

-'Convenient to attack skerterg'

Believe me, it's not just skerterg. I'm suspicious of everybody right now, so I'm just being paranoid.

-'Nothing but misreps and scummy comments'

a) I was trying to be brief
b) It was simply my opinion of him, because it seemed to fit based on what I was reading

"You realize that mafia knew how razorback would flip. That doesn't need a crystal ball"

What? What is this supposed to mean?

And yes, I'm posting more tomorrow. This is just a quick post before sleep.

[Red Star]

I said I wanted to wait for Red Star to respond to that suspicion first

Ok, now this is really starting to annoy me. I've already said, how am I supposed to be able to defend against NK analysis? I've already said, I protected Exilon on Night 1 and skerterg on Night 2. That's all there is to it. I think that the only I've been left alive is to act as a convenient scapegoat to attack.