OK, so I finally got some time to put some of my nebulous thoughts together. I'll try to keep this as condensed as possible.
Right now, I'm thinking there's definitely one scum in
{
LordChronos, Coach Travis, Shadow Dancer
}
. Both scum could very well be in there, but I'm like 99% positive at least one is in that group right now. The strange thing is I feel like I'm getting very similar reads of LordChronos and Coach Travis - neither one of them seem to do anything that's outright scummy, but at the same time, neither one of them really pushes the envelope for me the way I would expect town to do. Chronos seems to ask a lot of questions, but looking back at his posts, I've noticed now that he basically just kept his vote on Earlder1 for the entirety of Day 1 and didn't seem to force too much pressure on anyone else.
Also this bugged me looking back on it:
Post 225, LordChronos wrote:If Earlder flips scum, I think remouk could very well be his partner. Attacking SD with a case that is incredibly lame while defending Earlder suggests they could be scum buddies to me.
While I did disagree with remouk's case against Shadow Dancer, I don't at all see why his case against SD would have made him the natural buddy of a hypothetical Earlder1-scum. One thing that I've liked about remouk is I've always gotten the impression that he actually
believes
in the stuff he's saying and that he's not just putting stuff together for malicious purposes. His initial vote on me convinced me of that pretty well, so I'm curious as to why you got a different feel from remouk here, Chronos.
Also, can you explain this:
Post 216, LordChronos wrote:@CT
I have seen posts like Earlder's last from new town players, yes, but I have also seen them from scum. He really didn't respond to anything said against him or try to fight against his lynch, but just gave up.
What gave you the feeling that he "gave up"? I'm curious about this because as I mentioned before, I really did feel like Earlder1's final post made him look more town-ish, but you seemed to arrive at a different conclusion and downplayed that here.
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As for Coach Travis, I've looked through his posts, and I feel like he's had a tendency to be waffly for a good portion of the game. I could pull up specific examples but for the most part, it seems like he's trying to play both sides of the fence a lot of times looking more like he's attempting to appease certain people rather than figure out their alignments. It's the kind of behavior I'd expect to come more often from scum than town.
Also, I really don't like his Earlder1 vote now that I see it in a new light:
Post 192, Coach Travis wrote:But yeah, since I am suspicious of him and he's no longer at the stage where voting him causes an L-1, I have no real excuse, so:
Vote:Earlder 1
I think he's probably the most likely day 1 lynch, but I'm not against voting anyone else if it comes down to it.
He doesn't say that he's voting him because he thinks he's scum; instead he says it's because he's the most likely day 1 lynch. It's like he's trying to absolve himself of responsibility.
Coach Travis, what are your current thoughts on the players particularly LordChronos?
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The last of the threesome is Shadow Dancer. My read of him Yesterday was leaning town - I liked the fact that he used meta-gaming to try to develop reads since I think meta-gaming is usually more likely to be done by town than scum especially when it's coming from a newer player. Reading through brianj's case against him, I'm seeing that brianj actually seems to mark that as a strike against him.
brianj, why does SD's metagaming negatively affect your read of him?
Also, I'm looking back at the point that DTMaster brought up on Shadow Dancer's flip on Leech - hadn't noticed it before actually, but I do think DTM brings up an interesting point there.
Post 255, Shadow Dancer wrote:I also repeatedly said that that was just a prodding vote and not a lynch all lurkers vote. Of course, in retrospect it looks kind of silly to try to pressure an obviously absent player. But again: I could not know that back then.
Right, but in the post that DTMaster brought up, you used Leech-SE's flaking as a reason to confirm your vote on him, which would lead me to believe it was something that you thought was scummy coming from him since he has experience around here. Are you now saying that wasn't the case?
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Separate post to follow as this one's kinda long.