Mini 1069 - Hospital Madness Mafia (Game Over!)

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Vote: Tasky.

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Unvote Vote: Nobody Special

I am interested in your answer about unvoting The Longing and not voting on anyone to get information.
You'll have something to answer to when you are back.

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Wow. Look at Posts 53-55. Wingless wants information from NS and votes him. Exe repeats Wingless and votes NS. chesskid blindly wagons DESPITE earlier stating...

Ho ho ho this RVS sure ended fast.

NS - Why is someone being at L-3 disconcerting?

Vote: chesskid3

I really do not undertand chesskid. I am suspicious of him. He doesn't have cruelty which is town, and tries not to seriously attack anyone to keep his opportunity to attack another person instead which is scummy in my eyes. He doesn't really posting content. I need explanations chesskid.

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Vote: chesskid3

Unvote. Vote: Nobody Special

What exactly are you afraid of? Why are you so nervous about lynching TL and why do you have to distance yourself from any accountability by claiming you're still in the RVS? The latter is a big red flag to me.

@NS: I think he wants to know the answers to these questions. And me too.
I think NS is a bit strange but chesskid is stranger.

I'd like to be interested why did TheLonging trying to vote mod what is really useless. My brain was too little to understand that.

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I've already did.

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I didn't know you made your answers when I made my post because it was not 3 words.
Personally, I didn't understand your answer. Didn't you want to leave your vote while you are away? Why? It makes pressure on something that makes information.
I didn't understand your Public Service too.

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Votecount unchanged since last count.

Prodding Wingless.

I'll post here soon. In one of my games, the night will start today, so i'll check that first.

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I have read only 1 page, but CoolDog is very very suscpicous to me. He changed his mind in 6 minutes.

He wanted me to answer why I voted chesskid, and 6 minutes later he votes that player? What? 6 minutes isn't enough to read chesskids' ISO! You are very suscpicious to me.

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Vote: CoolDog

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So, let's see.
ISO is the heap of posts of one given man. You can set it down:
Display post by users - > Wingless for exmaple. That'll show me my overall posts.

I thought you were scummy, because you unvoted someone and didn't vote anybody after it. I think you are new to this site(as I am too:D).

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I have read only 1 page, but CoolDog is very very suscpicous to me. He changed his mind in 6 minutes.

He wanted me to answer why I voted chesskid, and 6 minutes later he votes that player? What? 6 minutes isn't enough to read chesskids' ISO! You are very suscpicious to me.

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Vote: CoolDog

Did anyone realize I made this post?

You should have.
I'll be rereading soon.

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@TheLonging

He quoted my arguments that are

really

serious, so he must have read them.
CoolDog is very scummy in my opinion now. Vote for scum, people.

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I think 6 minutes isn't enough time to change your mind so seriously, CoolDog. Which is that question that I didn't answer?

I think nothing can prevent you from being lynched today.

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Cooldog is at L-3 as i counted.

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NS why do you vote chesskid instead of CD?

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Hey

Do not go after anyone else. Hunt scum alone. I understand if you are a peaceful reggae man(I like reggae too), but you must have your own opinion or you will be led by people who may be scum.
But your vote on CoolDog was OK.

This is nothing personal, CoolDog, it's a game. I might say things very aggressively about your lynch, but in competition aggression isn't a disadvantage.

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Claim CoolDog. I'll reread while you are doing that.

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TL, are you the same TL who plays at #mafia with Xylbot?

What is this stuff?

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Tasky-please explain why cooldog is scum or at least post your thoughts on the game.

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Vote: Tasky

yeeeee, chainsaw defense!
no, I won't reveal my reasons, I won't even reveal if I have reason.
I could be doing this for fun only. or maybe not.

but CooLDoG is scum in any case.

You should attack hard if you want results. This way, you don't really help the town. If you told us your reasons, that would be a good thing, because you make the community understand the situation more.

What is chainsaw defense?
Defending a person with a vote on the attacker?

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Claiming is just lulz.

Quote Role PM please. Thanks.

This makes sense.


Where do you play irc mafia? I am interested.

I've read the text and cooldog's iso(scums' names are not to be written with capital letters), and i found him scummy, but I can not write anything new about him.

Claim!

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I don't know what to think. His claim is very powerful(nearly vig). Somehow believable. This explains his fear of the 3 votes on him, because he's very important.
Need to reread again.

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I unvoted because is he's not scum, the a mafia goon could lynch him making suicide attack. And he would be right.

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*is=if
Discuss, write your opinion about the claim.

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We are not killing CoolDog today.
His role is checkable. If we lynch the vig today, that's bad. If there is no heart-attacked man tomorrow, we'll kill this lying scum.
If there is, that will be an interesting situation.

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I think if someone, who is not CoolDog, is a CPR doctor, can kill tonight. It is unlikely that we have 2 vigs in our game, but I don't know what setup Parama uses.
CoolDog is more likely to be CPR doc than scum.
I don't like the wagon of Chesskid, it was built very fast. That is a mislynch.

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CooLDoG, you better not be lying!

He's not lying. He claims a killer role, and killer roles usually kill so we'll see only 1 head-shot corpse but nothing else. He even tells us the flavor text that will appear if he kills. He can't know if there is a role or not with this flavor text.

But he can be scum. For example, in this theme game, the scum are dark doctors who kill with causing heart attack(if this is the situation, we'll be suspicious with 1 corpse). Or he can be a mafia CPR doc.

Thanks for the site name.

I am going to reread Enigma's posts with his tunnel-vision. I need time now.

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Ok so here's what has happened.
Cooldog could very easily be an SK trying to explain any future kills.
He could also be scum trying to explain his kills, but that is irrelevant as you will see.

The real issue here is that if Cooldog plays as a smart townie, he should not be using his ability. It's too huge of a risk, especially in the sense of what a doc's entire purpose is. If he accidentally kills the person, he's made things worse.
So the problem with this claim is that either way we should still end up with only 1 kill and he will be able to say "I didn't use it."

As such, I still find this to be a pretty strong scum-claim. I'm still in favor of a cooldog lynch, but it seems that we have a group of very fickle players here. I'd rather not have any more claims (or at least, only 1 more if people absolutely won't lynch Cooldog).
If not Cooldog, NS is still a very strong scum-read for me. My vote stays for now though.

Prevedit: Hello again Slaxx.

Why shouldn't he use his ability? He can be something like a vigilante! Town must kill to eliminate scum. This is the only way, just the method changes.
CoolDog, if there will be no heart-attacked bodies, you die.

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I am willing to kill if it will prove that I'm town, however, I don't think it is very smart for me to kill/save on n-1. We/I simply don't have enough info to make an informed kill.

You will kill. Even an uninformed kill is a treasure to the town.

I have a suggestion:
If the person, who gets the 2nd highest vote count today, won't be killed tonight, we'll lynch CoolDog. This way we have a slightly informed kill.

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This happens too when we have only 1 corpse.

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Enigma is suspicious. Why have you voted Uprising? I see her a bit indefinite but nothing else. There were more scummy persons at all time in the game. Why didn't you vote them? Why did you tunnel

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I have a suggestion:
If the person, who gets the 2nd highest vote count today, won't be killed tonight, we'll lynch CoolDog. This way we have a slightly informed kill.

What if the scum have a roleblocker? They block CoolDog then immeadiately follow this strategy. It's not viable.

I failed to vote.

Vote: Enigma

Moospiker, here is my answer:
If the mafia has a roleblocker, they can block CoolDog if we do not say who he has to kill, and our strategy fails.
My strategy is better in that case that they don't have a roleblocker, but in case they have, it is as bad as any other strategy that forces CoolDog to kill.
So my strategy is good. A mafia doc is unlikely because it's rare but who knows?:D

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I will agree to what wingless asks, however, the scum could influence my kill by all hopping on one player. I DO NOT agree that a town vig should kill for the sake of killing alone. That is a good way to get to lylo in 2-3 less days... One point must be addressed in wingless' plot:
The name of the game: Hospital Madness Mafia. This leads me to think that there is a stronger then average chance for a scum doc, only scum can know that... and your plan would be supper convenient if the scum did have a doc...

light fos: wingless

. I suggest you guys re-read my role pm, it doesn't matter who I kill, they will still have a heart attack.

I don't think moo is scum per say, he's just a lurking (which is anti-town), I think NS is a much better vote for d-1.

Can you say something better? Even a random kill is very good.
Why is that light fos? To answer your question, if you don't kill tonight you are not with us so you will be lynched.

Yeah no, Enigma is town, this is a misslynch.

Why do you think that?

TheLonging why did you FoS CoolDog? And why do you think Enigma is town?

Enigma even tried to rolefish Chesskid.

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The point is on chances. If the mafia has a roleblocker or doctor then with my method we lynch our vig. If they don't, we lynch scum. If we force our vig to kill somebody at random, they can't help that with a mafia doctor. Anyway, we must force him to kill or we might let CoolDog live as scum. If they have a roleblocker, we really can't decide if CoolDog is scum or not.
I am getting suspicious of you. You are trying to sabotate this idea.

I don't care if you say its bad unless you say WHY. I'm hearing you.

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Look wing, if they have a role block you will have to take my word for my role. If I tell you guys that I'm gonna kill XXX player then the scum can block that with a doc. My random way they have a 1/11 chance of hitting my target, with your way they have a 1/1 chance of hitting the player I kill (not: this all assumes that they have a doc, which I feel is more likely then a role block...). I'm not going to tell you whom I kill; you will have to go on the flavor text. I will submit a kill, and if someone doesn't die from a heart attack the scum have a role-block or jailer.

Also, @exe, you call my vote crappy, yet you vote for the same guy, isn't that slightly contradictory?
@moo, Up is noob, not scum yet (at least from my reads)

I agree. You can choose who you kill. This increases your chances a bit. It is a good choice. But you must kill someone.

I absolutely have no idea why shouldn't he kill. Why would that be a smart move?

I'll reread NS i think.

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[rant]@wing, lets say I kill every night and I mis-kill all of those times, that would lead the town into a pretty bad mess wouldn't it. Killing every night is not an option, however confirming myself as town is very good for the town. It lowers the number of targets from 12 to 11, or after this night 11 to 10 (note: if I don't kill). I will only kill a scummy player, I won't take your attitude to just kill the first person on the player list because it’s good. In fact it isn't good and if anyone suggests that type of play again I will be obliged to vote him or her d-2 (NS should be lynch today).
@Exe, I agree about the ending of wingless' plan, or any plan it is now over I won't talk about it anymore due to the fact that it gives scum info. Also sorry for not catching the vote thing...[/rant]
@Up, other then moo's lack of content/lurking what is your reason for voting him (your vote atm looks very omgusy, moo is correct on that one). Also we understand you are new at this, try not to keep useing it as a semi defense if you mis-lynch...

Then explain me why the town does always lynch someone. It is terrible if the town mislynches, so why don't you complain about that? Why don't you vote for no lynch?
Have you ever tried to make this game's mathematical model?
If you had, you'd know it is worth to kill anybody at random. Anybody.

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However, if I'm not lynched today, I'm sure I'll die tonight.

Also, I haven't seen much of Zang and/or I've a null read on him.


I'll post more of my beliefs after my accounting class.

Why are you sure?

I didn't forget Zang.
I think it is very strange that he has only 7 votes here with a 3 post/day number. I found Enigma scummier. Zang, when he wrote, wrote content. Mainly about Tasky and a bit about chesskid.

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I think it is very strange that he has only 7 votes here with a 3 post/day number.

What do you mean? I'm sure I have had more votes than that in the 16 games I've been in.

I should have written 7 posts. This is your 8th post, isn't it?

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I'll reread the interesting things tomorrow i think.

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I have read most of Moo's ISO.
I didn't saw real scumhunting there.
He was lurking, and I think he didn't read all the topic because his posts wrote mostly about posts that hadn't been made for a long time, he didn't hunt scum intensively.

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Vote: Moospiker

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Moospiker is at L-1, but we don't have to hurry.

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Come one people, write everything you know about Moospiker.

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Well, if Chanel is scum he likes bussing so.

People I want to lynch today:
Chanel
Exe
TL


People who are likely scum if any of the 3 above are not:
Wingless


People who are likely town:
everybody else.

Honestly Exe's play raises red flags all over the place.

Do you mean if Chanel or Exe or TL isn't scum, I am scum? And why?

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I'll be rereading tomorrow. I don't have much time now.

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I had not enough time to read all, I read it to page 20. I am thinking about NS and Up now. I am away tomorrow but not at saturday. The deadline is so close.
I don't want to lynch Charnel now.

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I think I am going to hammer but I have to reread his posts.

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Enigma did you realize that today is the deadline? The town must lynch somebody because it is worth so I will hammer in every case. Rereading TL now.

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I will hammer him though I don't find him very suspicious, just simply suspicious. Uprising is the most suspicious to me now. I don't hammer him now, I give you time to explain why I shouldn't do it. What was the important part of that post? I have read it and it didn't change my mind.

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I need to reread this all before hammering. I could do some of it tomorrow, i'll have time.